When BlackBerry announced the BlackBerry Experience Suite back in March at Mobile World Congress for iOS, Android and Windows Phone, the packages were broken up into three different sections, BlackBerry Productivity Suite, BlackBerry Communication Suite and BlackBerry Security Suite, with each package offering something special to other platforms. To go along with all other the BlackBerry 'Venice' slider leaks, @evleaks has now posted up a GIF of what appears to be a demo of the BlackBerry Productivity Suite running on the Venice slider.
If you'll recall, the BlackBerry Productivity Suite essentially brings the Hub, BlackBerry Calendar, BlackBerry Contacts, Docs to Go, the BlackBerry Keyboard and finally, Universal Search, which would explain some of the APK files noted to be on the Venice as posted earlier by @evleaks. So, what does all this mean? Well, it's looking as though as part of BlackBerry possibly bringing an Android device to market, they've baked up the BlackBerry Productivity Suite right into their Android ROM to help differentiate it from other Android devices out there, effectively bringing some of those BlackBerry experiences we all know and love to Android.
This is no stock Android handset... pic.twitter.com/3RgBQHsCng
— Evan Blass (@evleaks) August 21, 2015If you've been following the Venice rumors for a while now, that detail shouldn't really be all that surprising as we've been hearing all along that the Android experience BlackBerry is putting together will reportedly bring the good bits of BlackBerry 10 and make them applicable to Android through a custom skin and apps but it's nice to see some of it all laid out, even if it's still in rough draft form for now.
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Latest BlackBerry 'Venice' slider leak shows off BlackBerry Productivity Suite
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I only have BlackBerry for HUB. It's truly the heart of it. I'm OK as long the new Android powered BlackBerry phones are keeping it.
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Ion get what's BlackBerry with android smh
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This phone is so exciting I sure hope it comes to T-Mobile. I want it so bad.
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i will either stick with my Z30 or go to Windows os. I refuse to use Android on a Blackberry device. ridiculous. I thought blackberry was about security not about lets get a malware os on our devices.
Xperia Z5 seems like a better choice now with water proofing, fingerprint scanner on the side etc. Would have liked this phone a lot 6 months ago but its becoming dated. Might be able to port its goodies to Xperia Z5
This device is taking way too long to release. It would've made a huge impact back in Feb but its specs are getting aged out before its released. Usb type C and newer specs will be leading the way in a few months. This is a 2015 phone released close to 2016. 2016 phones will kill it.
Looks like Venice will have a dual boot version with a "switch to Android" button......
the new OS will be dual boot.
http://www.qnx.com/news/pr_6138_1.html
there will be a drop down tab to run Android. The Blackberry Android will be a hit with corporate Android users, but if it is successful with consumer Android users, I expect it will become the "gateway" OS to consumer love for Blackberry again.....
Why is "Enterprice" spelled with a 'c' under Security Suite?
Cool! Maybe they'll start adding both options for OS running on the same device: Android & BB10. But considering how much Chen is reducing costs, there's little chance that he would afford supporting both OSes.
Would pick Venice + BB10 or Venice + Android ? I confess that betting on BB10 for consumers is kind of risky, Not sure which one I would choose.
An Android version with the best of Blackberry OS eh?......what next? An iPhone version with the best of Blackberry too? Might not be a bad idea actually;-).......I doubt Apple would licence all or part of their OS as they make a lot of money on their iPhone hardware.......probably would do a Microsoft version too if the market share wasn't so small.......
If the leaks are true, this appears to be a BIG winner for BlackBerry. Hopefully they can surprise everyone with a top of the line chip and a killer display. Now to market the hell out of it! Enough with keeping these things a secret!!
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Venice will be a "gateway" phone for Android users.......once they experience the best of Blackberry's OS, their next phone will be a "pure" Blackberry......they are called "crackberry's for good reason;-).......
Look the real set of issues are these:
Is it secure?
Will it have Google play services?
Will I get data mined?
Will it have the functionality of BlackBerry 10?
Will the UI be fluid?
Will gestures be available?
Will the apps be there?
Will the basic productivity that BlackBerry 10 offers be available?
Will we be able to kill the apps that run in the background?
Will the android OS run natively or as part as the qnx hypervisor system?
There are more issues to be discussed. Right now we know nothing about this OS other than what is available via leaks. If the system runs well and adequately addresses these issues then I will strongly consider the device. I am one who needs very specific apps that are not available and likely never be available for BlackBerry 10. They are however available with iOS and Android. Chen knows this and is trying to leverage the power of BlackBerry and it's position in business and security. There may be no other choice but to go this route. I hate Android and I love BlackBerry. I trust the implementation of BlackBerry with Android than any other platform...
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As long as it provides Security and option to use actual and virtual keyboard that is all that matters to me.
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Maybe I missed it, but what is the screen size, if that information is even available?
My wife will love this phone!
I will stay with the Passport.
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This makes me wonder if I could just port the suite into a Nexus 6.. Hmm
Rock'n the Z30 on T-Mobile's blazingly fast LTE
So will the contacts app be all jacked up like it is on BlackBerry10?
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People need to relaximatic. BlackBerry 10 (QNX) is not going away or being abandoned. Just because one device has android (or a variance) running ON TOP OF QNX, doesn't mean it'll be the last one ever. The rumourmongering needs to also stop too. It never helps anything.
Typed using my BlackBerry Classic running 10.3.2 on WINDmobile HSPA+
Exactly. Thank you. And if Blackberry does indeed put out an Android device, it will be the ONLY company ( except Samsung) to have launched 2 OS onto the market. If successful, Blackberry will come back big time and Im betting ALL The major players are paying close attention. I"ll never own an android but will be good for BlackBerry.
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Looks extremely productive. I like it. I WANTS THE APKs ON MY CLASSIC!! :D
Typed using my BlackBerry Classic running 10.3.2 on WINDmobile HSPA+
That's what it looks like. The better OS loses out to pervasive data mining and surveillance.
Doubt it. BB10 is not going away anytime soon. BlackBerry never even said so. Rumourmongering?
Typed using my BlackBerry Classic running 10.3.2 on WINDmobile HSPA+
So does this mean the official end of BB10?
Will the Venice have a virtual keyboard? I hope it would be the blackberry virtual keyboard. Blackberry's keyboard is easily the best keyboard out there. I am saying this after testing multiple phones (z10, z30, leap, q5, galaxy s2, and iPhone 6).
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Maybe I'll consider an Android if it's built by BlackBerry - I can't believe I just said that.
All these " leaked renders" makes the slider look cheap and incredibly boring. Im hoping for a solid pure bb10 device but these "leaks" are spoiling my next upgrade. Thank God for the passport. I will never switch to Android or IOS for my mobility.
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Kinda bored with the slider leaks, it's starting to turn into the Kardashian of the Blackberry world and I F±@king hate the Kardashians!
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Will the Venice use the standard Android soft or hard navigation buttons? Or keep the gesture based navigation? I hope the latter.
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Google is all about data mining and google services is all about what you doing with the app. and where. I only hope they build every phone with an option for BB10 and Google Android or I have to move also.
I talk with some BlackBerry groups and most are afraid they go full for ANdroid and drop BB10. They all will move away from BlackBerry. I just order the Silver Edition because I believe BB10 wil be continued. So not I'm out
Hopefully what Blackberry learns from this experience is to "spec" the hell out of devices now. Not use old processors, low camera resolution, etc. Good luck BlackBerry.
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Lipstick on a pig.. android with BlackBerry OS 10 layer.. how would you justify all your claim on BBOS 10 claim and then release android BlackBerry? At least dual OS release I would understand. To reach out new customer (largely abadoned BlackBerry) while throwing loyal customer base under bus and losing 'only' market left? Have you ever seen latest Samsung phones, mototolla, Google phones and lower end Chinese competition? I don't see BlackBerry does any better among super crowded android market..
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Start creating money without delay... Get longer together with your family by doing jobs that solely need for you to own a laptop and a we b access and you'll have that at your home. begin referring to 8kusd a month.... jobnet10.com
The math is simple 0,3% of the market with BB10... with Android it can only be better! Give me the Hub, keyboard and I will be happy...long life to BlackBerry !
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I have a better one, Android -> around 80% market share, only 8% of profits from the whole industry. The only one who wins with Android is google, nobody else.
Damn Android!
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Looks great
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They should add some more like Remember, BlackBerry Travel, etc
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The whole reason behind BB10 was to make it controlled by gestures, ditching the home, back, and menu buttons. Going to Android is a step backwards in my opinion.
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Hope these are true. BlackBerry needs to go Android now, bb10 is too far behind now.
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It is definitely not "behind". People just haven't gave it a try. I feel like bb10 is probably the greatest os out there in terms of simplicity, fluidity, and responsiveness.
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Looks good and I hope it's a success, however, android is not for me, so I'll be keeping my Passport and getting an iPhone as a second device
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Hmm, not a bad idea
The first B Droid .
What's next. B ios, B win
Hmm BlackBerry 10 OS .......
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If Chen wants to sell more phones I have one word: Squircle
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Another "first move" from blackberry, Samsung and Apple are most probably monitoring the effect of this move... who wouldn't be interested? Blackberry is again leading the pack with this and am glad it was them being the champion of innovation I know we will have the best! - mBarro from Philippines
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The fake ness is in the text...
If blackberry drops its gorgeous OS for the crappy android they will deserve bankruptcy. Look at apple, they stuck with their own OS and things go really well for them. Don't make the same mistake Nokia made.
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BB10 is miles behind Android though!
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I've been a cynical armchair Crackberrian for far too long. This phone, and the BlackBerry suite, looks amazing.
It's a toss up between this, or a z3 or z4 compact running BlackBerry suite.
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So I was thinking about this direction BlackBerry will soon be formally taking and although I will not be an early adopter (I have a Z10 (a brilliant form factor I rediscovered with 10.3.2) a Z30 and Passport) I would 100 percent pay say 5 dollars each for each of the BlackBerry experience suites for my Samsung Tab Pro devices in a heartbeat as it would improve them. The ONLY reason I have a Samsung tablet is because BlackBerry never made a BlackBerry 10 version and gave up on the PlayBook.
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This is good and so sad in many ways!!!
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So will this phone have the bb10 gestures?
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http://imgur.com/a/WAe7c more screenshots
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What's going to happen with BB10 after this? It would be sad if the best mobile operating system disappears to let way for android
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It'll be supported for government clients. Could also be more integrated into IoT.
That just tells you what is secure (bb10) and what is not: android blackberry!
Sick and tired of this AndroidBerry thing.. BlackBerry shouldn't leave BB10 or it'll just make fun of its own OS
Doesn't look like slider to me no rounded edges on the screen this is old mock up of the productivity suite on a z3 or something
This is my next BlackBerry device. Can't wait!
Posted using the best phone ever, the Z30!
watched it several times. It is very fake. Blackberry wouldn't use the fonts and the graphics look like students' work.
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How is it that the general masses believe that BlackBerry can secure Android? Last I checked, Android is still open source. Furthermore, what is disturbing to me, is why did BlackBerry wait for an Android phone to give us the killer, beast specs? Why couldn't BlackBerry give killer specs when BB10 first came out? That would have helped sell devices long ago with or without marketing that everyone speaks of. If you build it, they will come.
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I don't have a problem with an Android base with BlackBerry over layer. Knowing BlackBerry, it will offer the same security and usability. Company has got to do what it has to to keep afloat. I say go for it and I'm all in.
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Hopefully more will come around.
Nope! It will offer the same "security" for the consumer as android does now!
Ugly. Android ? Blackberry you are so lost.
Leaks are good for? ...guesses. So here is another one.
BlackBerry is becoming a software company so by offering their BB experience suite for all phones out there, say at $5.99 each that could mean easy money.
But offering the slider with a PKB which is not so common yet in the market place and running their suite pre-installed would make it a differentiator .
Let's see if it does.
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Why cant BlackBerry release a nice touch phone running bb10 with decent specs? Bb10 is years ahead of android, they shouldnt just let it go :/
This is not a political sig, vatniks ;)
I'm cautiously intrigued and I will wait on the fence to see how things play out with the Slider. Until then, it is nice to see more buzz around BlackBerry.
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Well, if the blackberry hub, and all its glory is gonna be "public" meaning for all the android, ios and wp out there.. I don't see the point of having a BlackBerry device lol because there are really really great devices with awesome cameras out there.... the reason I came back to blackberry devices was specifically the OS because this OS is really the best os I've ever seen on a phone. Is really productive and fast, I mean we dont have fragmentation problems like android or ios lol so yeah, if they decide to release BBHUB to the public then I should buy the Moto X :D hope after the venice slider thing they still support and update the BB10 OS because honestly is the best OS :D
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This is so fake.
Z10STL100-3 /10.3.1.2576 / T-Mobile USA
Interesting how people believe those against Android, are full of BS. Android is a crap OS at best. But if those people are happy with a crap OS because it has a pretty pedometer, good for them. I'd rather something that works. And doesn't demand to know my shoe size, or how my fart smells.
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:)
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All I need is just apps and google services from android and not the OS itself.
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The only real look of the device was from the MWC, and when he opened the device it was clear it ran BB10. Until I see BlackBerry running android, I won't believe it. All blackberry needs is a few honest reviews, and a good marketing, and an all touch device with mid to high-end specs, cause dual core and a weak ass GPU doesn't cut it anymore (z10/q10), also a smaller all-touch (z10 size, better speced + battery life improved). Don't get me wrong, I am all about that keyboard, but the rest of the world isn't.
I convinced 4 of my friends already to ditch their quad core droids for the outdated z10, and they never regret that. It's all about showing what superior OS BB10 is, heck droids don't even multitask..
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I'm not sure this video is made by BlackBerry. In this official video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25_N4uRmtf4&feature=youtu.be they use different techniques (different fonts, different fadings..).
Anyway..
If it's just an Android with BlackBerry Experience Suite (Productivity, Communication and Security), it's not anything new. BlackBerry Experience Suite is already (or will be) available not only for Android but also for iOS and Windows.
IMO there is no need to "bundle" Experience Suite with Android and put it in BlackBerry devices. There is already bunch of existing Android devices from various manufacturers (like peas in a pod) on which Experience Suite could have been installed.
Why is BlackBerry in collaboration with other OEM's (Samsung should be a first choice) not preinstalling Experience Suite (and eventually other BlackBerry only features – certainly not for free) on THEIR upcoming Android devices? This could help to differentiate SOME Android devices from others.
What I'm trying to say - Instead of ditching it for Android, BlackBerry should stick with BB10 and expand it to other platforms (smartwatches, tablets, TV's, PC's..).
●BB10 - the only OS that is not spying its users●
This
Still asking me why there is always a only source of leaks...
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If BlackBerry release the hub as an android application then they can pretty much remove as much money from my bank as they need
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If this fails what will BB do?
Looking good
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Give it a chance, I am sure John Chen doesn't want to offend or alienate blackberry users, hopefully it can be a hybrid of sorts with the hub and peak etc.
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so fake its not even funny, at least put in a bit more effort into it.
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My passport say that Marley was right ,'every little thing is gonna be Alright''
The masses don't buy any longer BlackBerry devices as the way they are right now. The demand is for android and iOS not BB10.
So a producer must sell what the majority wants.
+ I really don't think BB10 is going to disappear. Probably the devices will have optional OS.
I personally will stick to blackberry so long a physical keyboard will exist( main reason)
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I'm interested anyways..... Not in the slider but the blended OS
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Still remember few years ago Woz said that BlackBerry have to join Android to keep the business survived. Finally the act is going to happen.
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Japanese Blackberry user here (one of many... we are legion). I don't know if this has been discussed already and I am very sorry if it is the case. Being an android device (think with me) would it be in theory possible to just root it and install, say, a leaked BlackBerry 10.3 build, for the full-on blackberry experience on a slider?
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I am not an expert, but that is the only hope.
A BlackBerry android phone could be rooted and another (more secure) operating system, such as Ubuntu or BB10 could be installed.
P.S. What simcard should I get for my Passport in Japan? I am moving there for 4 months.
They can't secure an environment that uses Google services. They should be more focused on promoting BB10 instead, it's the greatest on the market. If they start selling an Android powered devices, that's a negative marketing for BB10. I really hope those are only rumours and it will be no Android powered BlackBerry devices...
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No. You should just move on to a different platform or go back to a flip phone if you can't accept change.
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Closing down the entire handset business. Wasn't it number one on Chen's "To Do List" from the beginning? He had to know it would be the end of BB 10.
Poor hardware sales numbers and going Android prove the "strategy" is successful.
Yes. It does not make sense for BlackBerry to have a hardware division if they will sell only android phones. Absolutely no sense.
They can install their software on anybody else's hardware running android, especially since BlackBerry buys all the hardware pieces from OEM's.
And no, they cannot secure hardware made by others, just like the Jeep Cherokee event proved. If the chips have embedded code in the hardware, BlackBerry does not know, and cannot defend against that with software.
You do realize the Jeep hack had nothing to do with QNX but was the software running on it (UConnect), right?
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It was more sophisticated than that. They re-wrote the firmware for the chip on which QNX was installed. That's the part the two researchers did not want to describe...the Connect part was the easy thing... hacking the hardware was much more difficult and no amount of QNX magic would have protected it.
The foundation is the hardware. QNX rubs on top of the hardware.
A leaky basement cannot be protected by a QNX roof!
It also proves no other OEMs want to buy BlackBerry's hardware division.
I don't think that running Android will bring much or any first timers. What would bring first timers is a proper ad campaign and actually selling their phone on all carriers. Includes koodo, fido and virgin. Focus on slow long term growth as opposed to trying to win it big with phone designs that most people wouldn't want or completely dropping the proprietary software for the ability to simply say me too.
Sorry Chen. I really miss the direction that the company had with Heinz, he should have gotten approval to bring a bb10 experience to the PlayBook. That would have helped with numbers at the time.
BlackBerry is so much more than a physical keyboard or a tool belt. How can you convince the public when the CEO can't even be convinced of this?
Keep trying to cut costs without fully utilizing what you already have developed is just wasting everyone's time and wasting BlackBerry's money long term.
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This is fake, look at the font, BlackBerry would never use such a font
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Whatever it is, big changes are coming to BlackBerry. Despite the leaks, they have really kept this one closed... Hopefully We hear soon. One question - just bought an SE passport. Will the software run on it too??
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YES!!!!! Android with BlackBerry Hub is going to be great.!!! Can't wait to upgrade from my Z30!!!!
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That is a downgrade.
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Not with the shitty specs that z30 has, and the fact that it's laggy, with even latest update, it's just introduced more issues than reduce them from the previous OS.
Z30 running 10.3.2.2339 UK
Something is wrong with your Z30 I assure you. The Z30 on 10.3.2 is NOT laggy. The specs are completely acceptable even in today's market. (compare with iPhone6, S6 and the likes) Re-load your OS. BTW have you ever used a device running Android? Give it a go and then report back.
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That font they used... it ain't the font BlackBerry AdMen use. I smell a fake.
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I smell a rough draft.
Looks good and will definitely attract android users..
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Hopefully this android will not have stage fright after BlackBerry is done with it.
Android is incomplete OS. Its never complete. Marshmallow is good eats never a good OS.
Looper back and make corleone offer for Track pad on Blackberry
That video does me no good. I want the BlackBerry multitasking
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Will present bb10 os users get a chance to upgrade to android os is there any chance, complete os upgradition
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Losing the 0.3% that have stayed with BlackBerry for efficiency, security and privacy and do not want Google data mining.
This is an android phone for business.
Whatever security it will provide, it will most likely require BES12, and will be inferior to bb10 security.
The only people who will be happy will be those who wanted an android phone with keyboard and did not care about security and privacy.
i cant bleave that bb 10 hub in android
If BlackBerry goes full android they will turn to Amazon and give the crackberrians a full fledge BlackBerry "fire" smartphone with all the Prime services, similar to the Amazon Fire phone..
I just don't see BlackBerry turning their back on Amazon, not after there recent partnership and BlackBerry telling developers to go to the Amazon apps store..
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God please no.
I'd really like to see how this all plays out. I had a Z10, pre-ordered it on Verizon and had it for a year before we left Verizon, and I loved that phone. I still miss it, though I refuse to buy one now and risk shattering my memory of it. My main pain point with it was the "app gap". Amazon worked for getting apks on the phone but there was noticeable jank in that. The idea of, basically, BB10 on top of Android really appeals to me. I would prefer all touch and no slider but I really want to see this phone. If BlackBerry can get everything that is great about BB10 onto Android and draw off of the depth that is the Android ecosystem I think they would really have a good shot at selling a lot of phones.
Come on BlackBerry, make me not buy the new Moto X Pure Edition!
Amen!
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With BlackBerry protective suite installed in the phone it looks like it will a great android device.
Only one thing is that the price should be acceptable... Than it will be popular
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This is all looking good. Looking forward to it.
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Say it ain't so :( I will miss BlackBerry as a company when the move to droid tanks them
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BB10 has "lifted" them to 0.3% marketshare. What exactly does tanking the company entail??
It wasn't BB10. Mismanagement has "lifted" BlackBerry to 0.3% marketshare.
For more information contact those who are responsible – Chen, Watsa & Co.
Truth. The main thing killing Windows Phone, Amazon Fire Phone and Blackberry is a lack of apps. Going to Android, even with only one device, will raise their market share because it solves the app problem. Not to mention there is nowhere to go but up for Blackberry since they've cratered. Android is the most popular operating system in the world and Blackberry is smart to try and combine the amazing things they do with Android. I've never owned a Blackberry but this phone may bring me on board.
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I generally agree with mehofmann. The lack of key apps like Slack, Instagram, Spotify, Drafts, Snapchat and all the other messaging apps, any decent podcast app, all the cool new games etc is devastating to BlackBerry's consumer profile.
Messaging is absolutely key. Chen's number one BlackBerry World priority ought to be getting these apps onto BB10. Benedict Evans has made several terrific write ups on the evolution of these apps which are platforms in and of themselves. Chens strategy of business focus will result in a stable income but much, much smaller global audience. If young people have no reason to be interested in BB10 now they will never think of it again in the future.
Trading in the integrated widget for Android plus a hardware commission won't lead to huge uptake in China and India and I suspect will barely move the needle in USA/Europe.
Personally I hope BB10 remains the primary handset strategy. I think leaning on Android will lead to a complete exit from hardware, eventually.
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Come on people. Really?? BlackBerry as hardware company is dead without android. This same argument was had back in 2008-2009 when BlackBerry decided to not offer android phone because they would lose BBOS revenue. Then BlackBerry started development of BB10 when people left anyway because of lack of app development. 95% of smartphone market wants IOS/Android. That battle is more or less over. Your choices are BlackBerry Android or nothing if you want BlackBerry hardware going forward. I love BB10 however I've accepted that BlackBerry cannot survive with us as the only hardware customers. Everything people suggest has already been tried but android won. Look how poorly the development and implementation of Tizen has gone? BB10 may be kept around to keep as tool for threatening IOS/Android/WP like Tizen but it can't and won't be the savior of BlackBerry (see 2012-2015). Android for BlackBerry needs to succeed if BlackBerry remains in the hardware business. Tweaking it to satisfy BB10 fans while having everything function like android fans prefer will be important, but there are more android fans than BB10 fans so they'll be given priority. It's hard to accept sometimes but we've all known this was coming. Be thankful we haven't ended up like Palm users. They refused android. How'd that end up for them? Besides, where are we going if no BlackBerry exists? I'm not breaking out flip phone in protest......
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If BlackBerry can succeed in getting the Hub to work as well in Android as it works in BB10, and can make the text-entry experience as good as it is on BB10, that will attract a lot of potential users. It may even get me.
I'm not technical enough to know but could this really be Blackberry 10 with an Android style launcher, google services, and android apps? Probably a stupid suggestion....
AT&T BlackBerry Passport 10.3.2.556
This video is lagging also like Android.
Sent via Awesome White BlackBerry Z30
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Hope it's BlackBerry OS 10 (QNX) under the hood using the new BlackBerry hypervisor to run android and NOT all android. If I wanted android I would by an android. I don't like the OS and have yet to find decent, secure, apps for it. It's why I switched to BlackBerry. If this rolls out as an android device then I will have to rethink my choice of mobile platform. It would be time to move to Apple or Microsoft 10.
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Sooooo confused by all this. Let Android users have all this. BB10 is where is would so rather prefer to stay
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If it is not a BB10 OS, then it is not a Blackberry, and not worth buying.
You will be missed...
Said.
No.
One.
Ever. :D
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Nice reply child, parents should tuck you in and turn on your night light, it is not the hardware that makes the phone but the OS. So go back to whatever platform you use and let the adults make intelligent comments.
But...but... The platform I use is BlackBerry's future platform. Where do I go from here, Dad? ;)
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Linux
Then why are you littering up a BlackBerry fansite Birdman?
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Lol
"Lights out,nothing to fight 'bout, I got the pipe out.." The "Slider" is getting so much momentum and hype that it could be the best thing ever produce by BlackBerry or it could be the biggest disappointment ever..
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If this is true I'd definitely buy it but would prefer to NOT have the slider. I'd like either a Z30 type device or a passport
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How about the pricing? Would it be free? Paid? Subscription?
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Exciting! Hope this is a game changer for Blackberry...
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Considering what the Venice specs are rumoured to be, they will be needed to run Android. Though as long as BB10 is available we will see how smoking fast it is on high end hardware.
Tim Smith from my Z10 on Rogers
That's one horrible font.
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If BlackBerry decided to load any other OS than BBOS10 thinking that BB's diehard fans would buy it, then they are MISTAKEN! I will never buy a phone that has iOS or Android; I am not a fan of toys!
This
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Die hard fans are barely keeping them afloat
Looks like BB had gone to bed with Android and produced this baby! Seemed like best of both worlds to me if I can still get seamless BB experience and all the Android apps I want. This will be my next BB
You can't have the same BlackBerry experience on Android. It's not the same if you put BlackBerry features on Android. They are 2 opposite OS. It's all in the Kernel.
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This is awesome!
what about blend?
Q10 on 10.3.2.2204
Sweet!!
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I'm getting this phone!
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This is way fake! These rumors are making me mad.
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Bb10 experience on Android for the win.
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Ugh typical android navigation. It feels backwards not being able to Swipe or use gestures...
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This is not stock Android my Boy! no stock Android!
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
Does anyone know if the
"Gestures " are the same a BB10? Such as swipe up for grabs hub, swipe to minimize?
Z10
Per Crack berry thread, nope.
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I don't understand how the hub will work on Android. They have the notification bar which will essentially make the hub pointless for those of us that read stuff immediately...unlike my friends with the 300 unread emails and red stars that just infuriate me oh so much...sorry.
I suppose it would only be good for archiving if you are looking for a convo that happened over multiple methods of communication. But android users would just hit the email app, then the BBM app then split screen it. Hub has become pointless with Android. And for me, hub MAKES bb10 a million times better than the other os.
And I do t want a crappy widget for it. Widgets on all th androids I used to have always crappie out at some point and don't update. Then you have to uninstall then reinstall it and figure out what is happening and why it stopped updating, to find out you accidentally someone pressed one button in one app that stopped all syncing for everything...Samsung.
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I have Z10 and intend to stay with BlackBerry with either a Passport Silver Edition or the slider as long as they stay in business and keep supporting BB10.
But I have an Android tablet and was always puzzled by widgets. I don't use them as I don't see the need for them. Yet new widgets keep appearing, even for apps I don't use or really use, and I can't seem to get rid of them.
The whole BB10 experience is so much simpler than Android that I would never seriously consider an Android phone unless I had to. I know this whole talk of an Android device is mostly unsubstantiated rumours at this point, but if BlackBerry decides to abandon BB10 and go with full Android or Android with some BB10 features (unless it's a well thought out and executed system with the BB10 features accessible on the same way they are accessible on my BB10 device) I will switch to a Windows phone and tablet to go with my Windows laptop.
Posted on my Z10. Still going strong 2 years later.
Nice!
This looks like I'm gonna get to keep a lot of BlackBerry features.
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Sorry blackberry u lost a customer I'll stick to my awesome z30
Death to Android!!!
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I just hope BlackBerry offers an unlocked one from their website that runs BB10 and the Android one is for the carriers to sell. Much like how the HTC One (I think it's the One) was offered with Windows and Android.
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This was the only thing announced and confirmed by John Chen. We are looking at it and it's obvious the demo phone should say BlackBerry. What were you expecting? Samsung?
Wide vision, from Chile.
Is this the end of BB10? I hope not. I really hope not!
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Chen told everyone: please, restrict BB10 apps to *business*. I think we'll see soon why he did say that.
Wide vision, from Chile.
Also: @evleaks retweeted the canned statement by BlackBerry's PR: "We remain committed to BlackBerry 10". If that statement remains in a press note, it means one thing. If @evleaks retweets it as a quote, it means another completely different thing. Context is everything.
Wide vision, from Chile.
You think there would have been some definitive direction by now as to the future of BB10 OS rather than having the user base speculating about what will or won't happen next with Blackberry. It has been a while since I've seen so many die-hards contemplate about weather to jump ship or not.
It really all depends on their integration of the keyboard- after the last horizontal droid there has been zero "f's" given about having a good reactive state to leyboard-nokeyboard etc. In the OS.
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Hopefully they have the BBM VideoChat working on the Android by the time Venice is ready. I like Google/Android but I love Blackberry so much more. If all of the BlackBerry proprietary apps work on Android.......I guess I'll be getting a replacement. If not, I'll stick to my Z10 and pray (for BBOS 10.4 and the Z50.)
I hope this is a flop for BlackBerry. They should have put the resources into BB10.
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The current board is done with that.
If they tweak the Android OS, some die hard BlackBerry fans might want it...if not, I'm and my crew are good.
Posted Via CA Governor's BlackBerry Passport.
Tell jerry to resign. He is a complete moron.
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The only way this is to be truly successful, is if Blackberry does something they have never done before, and that is advertise the hell out of it.
That has been BB's biggest downfall , as I can honestly say I don't remember seeing a single commercial or radio ad pushing the Blackberry 10 .
Lets hope that BB is smart enough, to get the word out , and inform people of this new Blackberry / Android device, and if BB can succeed , then everything else they are doing , will follow.
Besides, my BB stocks are taking a beating, and need some love right about now !
Agreed. It won't sell itself.
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All that look very interesting..i'm excited but without proper marketing only the same blackberry users will buy it. Blackberry needs to invest in Marketing. I feel people still have in mind the slow,laggy BBOS when you mention Blackberry nowadays . Few people know about BB10 capacity and else
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Not even the BlackBerry users will buy it. If I wanted an android phone I'd get a cheap chinese one.
Only the compose is under the screen. I hope therewould be an option to please the tree dots and the option that selects email account at the left side to be at the bottom part
Posted via CB10
This will be the very first ever BlackBerry phone with viruses. Android users rejoice.
BBClassic10.3.2.858
I think this demo was meant to look fake for a reason - it's just that and was meant to be used for only in house purposes. It's not designed to be released out in the marketplace.
Posted via CB10
Exactly. It's a very rough draft!
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Can't wait for this phone to come out! It's getting better which each leak!!
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I hope that popular BlackBerry world apps will be running in that new environment. At least those that I have download and the ones that I purchased.
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Can they not use the bb10 OS on the Android system rather QNX?
Z30 running 10.3.2.2339 UK
First look is cool.
Is this a BB10 interface running on an android root program?
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Will this Android iteration be "Gesture" based like BB10 OS as well?? I sure hope so, as this will make make sense from a uniformity standpoint.
I hope people that buy actual Blackberrys running Android won't have to pay fees for these suits.
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Great news...... will wait.
All the people in this forum who say they are excited about this, have they never used Android? Or forgotten how terrible the OS is? With no app permissions, horrible battery performance, sluggish interactions, and laggy apps?
I remember like it was yesterday. Maybe because I occasionally help my wife troubleshoot issues on her flagship Samsung device. It's so frustrating to spend time in that OS. No way I could ever be excited about an Android phone. Not even if it made me coffee.
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Laggy apps > no apps
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Well then, it's a good thing BlackBerry10 has every app most working professionals need, and the option to get the few remaining apps via an Android runtime.
High productivity + a few laggy apps > Only laggy apps.
Posted via CB10
You win the Internet battle today Sir. Well done! I'm still buying the damn phone.
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LoL. That made me chuckle.
Which is where the BlackBerry experience on iOS and WP becomes more relevant. If it's too laggy on Android I'll buy it for my iPhone if it works well. And I still love BB10, but they seem to be shifting away from developing it anymore, or at best at a glacial pace.
Posted via CB10
If it had ever app a working professional nap needed, they'd be selling more phones.
The numbers don't lie here.
Source: working professional.
Eh.. coffee would do it for me, actually.
Posted via CB10
And cook bacon.
I'm guessing the last Android device you used had Donut in it. Things have improved since then. ;)
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Android has improved a lot. It still drives me crazy whenever I have to use it. My newest Android is an S5 with Lollipop.
It still sucks compared to BB 10.3. I never noticed how bad Android lag was until I made the switch to BlackBerry.
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I agree that Android is not the greatest OS. I personally would be spending the bulk of my time inside BlackBerry Productivity Suite which I assume will look and feel like BB10. And I would use Android native only for the occasional app.
Posted via CB10
Could not agree more. I have a '14 Tab Pro and the OS blows in comparison, Nova launcher or not, to the latest version of BlackBerry 10. Those that are happy about this may change their mind after using this new BlackBerry running Android. The dependence on Google is so damn intrusive. One can't do a F'n thing without setting up a Gmail account.
Posted via CB10
Well, you're both wrong and right at the same time, lol. On a device like this BB slider, it's not going to be rootable, so all your gripes may be valid. However, on a rooted Android device you gain a lot more control. You get to control permissions and literally anything else. This often results in drastically improved battery life and app lag becomes far less noticeable, if at all.
You are definitely right that spending time in Android is frustrating. One shouldn't have to wrest control from the OS just to manually go in and 'fix' it so that the OS runs smoothly. Many people won't (and don't) want to do that, but I guess that's what differentiates Android from BB10 or iOS. Users have much more control over the OS, if they want it. But in most cases that requires rooting the device.
BB's device won't allow this, so BB will have to pay particular attention to making sure the user experience with their phone is a step above the rest.
Well i have a passport as my daily driver, but i also have a nexus 5 for specific medical apps, i can say that the nexus 5 runs flawlessly, no lag, very snappy, no bugs, very smooth experience. This might has something to do that it is running stock android, stock android is actually a very fast operating system... touch wiz from samsung sucks so probably that has something to do with your bad experience. And people worring about security: don't download apps that require ridiculous permissions, don,t download strange files from the internet and you should be fine.
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Just like another comment mentioned, I think the main reason for your dislike of Android is because of the Samsung skin also known as Touchwiz. After using Samsung products as well as Nexus and Sony Android devices I can tell you the Samsung experience would deter me from Android like it has done with you. If you can, try using something less heavily skinned than Samsung devices like those I mentioned. Hopefully they'll help you get a little more excited about the Venice.
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I have a Nexus phone too, just not the newest one. I also had the Droid4, which I feel is the best Android phone ever made.
The reason Android OS lags goes beyond the TouchWiz app. The root of the problem is the app architecture, Java. It's why Android phones require an octacore CPU to run "smoothly." It's also why their batteries don't last long.
And Java VM's don't just suck on mobile. Apache Tomcat is the most common cause of memory leaks and server restarts on our production web servers. It's why your Sony Blu-Ray player UI is almost unbearable to use. It was a horrible choice on Google's part.
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You surely haven't seen Android M then.. in terms of app permissions, they are more robust than even BB10 has. It won't even prompt you on any permissions within an app until the app actually needs to utilize one. Genius. And you can turn them off at any point in time too. Also, battery life too, they have implemented the idol mode which puts the device in low power mode when it isn't being used for extended periods of time, thus helping battery life A LOT. And lastly, Flagship Android devices are getting on average 50 FPS with normal use. And Android M is rumored to be fixing any existing lag issues. I'm sick of hearing that Android is "laggy" as the main defense because my Z30 scrolling up and down in the browser on sites so NOWHERE near even 30FPS. It's so choppy at times. I'm a web developer and ALWAYS testing my sites cross-devices and the Z30 browser is more choppy than the Android devices that are running the site in Chrome. BB10 has been hurting a bit lately on the older devices. Not as much with the Passport obviously, but every single negative you mentioned about Android has been fixed in Android M. So if all your complaints are remedied in M then what defense will you then have? Or will you finally give Android BlackBerry a chance?
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Has anyone used Android M? I didn't think it was out yet.
iOS has had this style of app permissions for a while now. Personally, I find the popups annoying, but it's definitely a huge step forward.
My same arguments still apply to lag though. Google is applying band-aids to a gunshot wound with all these improvements to make the system faster and more battery efficient. It would not have been necessary in the first place if they had chosen a better language/framework for apps. I'm fairly certain if you put Android M on the Z30, its performance would be much worse than BB10. These flagship devices have extremely expensive CPU/RAM components. That's why they can handle the Android OS. It's also why they are expensive and/or have no profit margin. It's like building a car with a V12 engine just so it can barely drive on the interstate because its transmission system is inefficient.
I am never going back to Android.
This is getting more and more exciting!
Posted via CB10
The line starts behind me. No need to push. There's plenty for everyone.
Posted via CB10
I think this has amazing potential. I'm using BB10 because of all the things they are packaging into Productivity Suite. Combine that with full Android capability and this could be amazing..
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Great news, the hub is staying intact
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...since this video is fake, don't get your hopes up
Those Android buttons can go die in a fire. I hope they can be switched off and replaced with gestures.
Posted via CB10
Gestures are gone for the Chendroid, at least that's what I've heard, and by heard I mean read in a speculation thread.
Posted via CB10
On Android you can turn off onscreen buttons and use gestures instead, so no problem there.
As long as it has all those things, I'm ready to jump ship!
BlackBerry productivity suites = A must!
A true working android apps = A bonus!
What else do you want?
Posted via CB10
Still going to have a trash virtual keyboard, the active frames set up on bb10 is better and less confusing than those widgets or whatever and the apps layout on the Android home screen is trash. Still not impressed at all and sooo disappointed that BB10 is dead.
Posted via CB10
There's no reason Blackberry can't ship their own keyboard, recent tasks, and launcher if they want. I own phones that have vendor versions of all three and are still under the Google Play umbrella. If they don't customize these things it is only because they chose not to.
Just curious, what's trash about a grid of icons on a homescreen? Placed where you want, in whatever order you want. Some oem launchers and 3rd party launchers allow you to change the grid size (4x4, 5x5, 4x9, 12x1, whatever you want), custom themes and icon packs, change the size of the icons, icon labels, etc.
Not for me.
Posted via CB10
RIP BB10. We hardly knew you.
Posted via CB10
So excited. This phone is gonna be a lot of fun! Can't wait to try one out when it releases!!
Posted via R115-Aramis.
Posted via CB10
This is going to be F'n awesome!
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This sucks! I don't want android!
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This is great news. I want BlackBerry 10 feel as well. Swipey swipe.
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It's wide like the PP?
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No, I love the PP's width. However, the slider is long and narrow. Kind of like an iPhone 6 Plus or Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge.
-- B.
The question that keeps popping into my head is what credibility does this evleaks guy have? Since Chen has been CEO there have been very few rumors on any device. Now all of sudden there seems to be a new rumor and render every week of the slider. Does this guy sit in his basement making up a bunch BS to create false hype? I still have a BlackBerry because of BB10, if I wanted an Android I'd go buy one of the 5000 on the market.
Posted via CB10
Simple answer on credibility: Google @evleaks.
Simple answer on whether evleaks gets it wrong sometimes : Google "evleaks wrong"
Never heard of @evleaks before? What search engine are you using, Alta Vista? ;)
Posted from an ME173X
It's 18,000+ different Android phones now.
Posted via CB10
The question is whether or not evleaks is caple of being duped... Well, and if one's trust in evleaks makes people set aside common sense. The text in that video is suspect. Well done fan renders, I think.
It could just be a rough draft of the final product.
As much as I love the BB10 ecosystem I am excited to see what thing brings. Though I will probably stick with BB10 haha
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I don't know why everyone is SO hypocrite, I don't care if blackberry leave BB10 development, every developer outside has did it so why keep going against the current.
The "so laggy android is" excuse is just a lie, in this moment my Z10 is so buggy that I have to remove the battery every 20 minutes to get it working normal... so it's far away from perfect.
Also, if Chen if capable of making a decent android experience to keep BB10 "productivity" with giving us access to a world of applications then DO IT, I'm in.
I'm a fan of the brand, not the OS, I love BB hardware and I will buy the Venice as soon as it is available.
Will blackberry be saved the devotion of a few ones or it will go after the cash of the consumers that is NEEDED to keep the company going? What a hard question don't you thing...
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A) The Z10 is over two years old, and should probably be thrown away.
B) Android is horribly laggy. That's certainly not a lie.
3) If your phone only gets 20 minutes on a charge, then you may need to remove a few of your Android applications. They are notorious for eating battery.
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And 4) I apparently can't count to "C"
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'C' is 100 :-p
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Z10 be thrown away? Hahahahahaha!!! If 10.3.3 gets on it I can see using mine for the next 5 years!
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Hit the wrong button, didn't mean to report the comment, sorry.
Anyway, realistically, an android phone has very little chance of bringing in more consumer cash. If they do an android fork in the manner of the Firephone, it still won't have play services, so there's very few apps that will work on it that don't work on the BB10 android player. Total number of available apps will probably decrease due to loss of BlackBerry World apps, so that's not going to bring people in that don't want a BB10 phone because it "doesn't have any apps," and its going to put off the people that don't like android because it's android. If they do go with Google, then they have to follow google's guidelines for how thr ui works/looks, and it's not going to be exactly like the BB10 ui, which is going to put off everyone that likes BB10. And I'm sorry, but I don't want to have to launch a separate app to get to the Hub. Plus, the android market is so flooded with phones it's ridiculous, and the only handset manufacturer that's actually making any money off android is Samsung. Why would people switch from another android handset when the only real difference is in a set of apps they'll be able to download for the phone they already have?
Not a thing wrong with my 2013 STL3 Z10. It's far better today than it was originally. And that is the pretty much the same sentiment on the Z10 forums. Buy a new 6 dollar battery and reload the latest 10.3.2
Posted via CB10
I don't know man... I really love the idea of the slider - but Android?! No.
Posted via CB10
I just ordered another BNIB Z10 for $140 to replace my current Z10. Get them while you can. No way I will ever run Android.
Please release a BB10 version too!!
Posted via CB10
I prefer BlackBerry 10. It is by far the better OS. I hope that the Venice will run both OS versions. Likely 2 separate devices but it would be awesome if the hypervisor was on this device and run both systems together.
If BlackBerry does go full android then it is bad if they are not able to lock down the system and fragmentation that goes along with android. The other problem is android updates which don't always go to all phones. At least all BlackBerry 10 updates are available for all phones (so far). I just hate to think that I'd have android running all the time and apps doing odd things. AND, have all the data mining and malware that goes along with all these apps.
I guess the public has spoken though as clearly the market has pushed us towards either android or iOS. With the market share that android has it is no wonder why BlackBerry has gone in this direction. Plus, the lack of app content and app development is a huge driver of this.
It is problematic that there are no decent banking, financial, mobile payment apps nor just about any consumer app our there for BlackBerry 10. I love BlackBerry 10 but it really drives me crazy when I can't download the app that I want, that I need to be more productive. It is a shame.
I have said many times that BlackBerry needs to push it's own app development and partner which these companies to do so. I have no real problem paying a dollar or two or three for the apps that I want or need. They can share my money but I need the apps.
Oh well we shall see.
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So I guess I'm stuck with using my Z10 for another two years. I'm so happy us full touch Z10 users will not be getting an upgrade. Yay!!!
Posted via CB10
Same here!
I got the Z10 and Classic - after seeing Android on a Blackberry I don't feel like ditching one of them. Still love both!
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Wasn't Z30 upgrade to Z10? or the Z3.. or even the Leap?
Z30 wasn't an upgrade, it was a different phone for people who wanted a bigger screen, and the Z3 is a lower market phone so definitely, absolutely not, and the leap... the leap is utter trash that is supposed to be a Z30 update yet it's lower quality and has lower specs than the Z30 sooooooooo let's not pretend those could ever be updates.
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