Yep, so RIM's Co-CEO's Jim Balsillie and Mike Lazaridis just dropped a big bombshell on tonight's RIM Earnings Call that CrackBerry Nation did not want to hear.
The official word is that RIM wants to put a chipset into the USA-bound LTE BlackBerry 10 phones that will not be available until mid-2012. This pushes the rollout of the first BlackBerry 10 phones into the latter part of 2012. Mike Lazaridis followed up with clarification, adding they need this chipset in order to deliver the efficiency and battery life that customers expect from a BlackBerry.
It's a bitter sweet. It's awesome to think about the fact that our next generation of BlackBerry 10 phones will really be cutting edge when they hit the market. It just sucks to think that we're going to have to wait that long....
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It's Official: First BlackBerry 10 Smartphones Won't Be Available Until Late 2012!
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How is this a surprise to anyone here? It's the exact trend that they have set since they started in the phone market. What did you learn? BTW, since they made another great "RIM prediction" of late 2012, anyone care to connect the dots on this trend and figure on when a REALISTIC date might be for release? How about 2013? Anyone think it's a good idea to run out and lock in a 2-year contract with a craptastic, obsolete BB7 device now? Probably the same group that will sit and cry about how it was their carrier's fault they made a crappy choice so "they should give out NEW phones" to make up for it. Same mentality as the "occupy" retards that believe they were born into entitlement.
RIM isn't going anywhere. Buy stock now while it's a steal and watch it rise come next year. I'll venture to guess you can double your money.
When I left my iPhone 4 for a BB bold I was super pumped!! Then I used my BB bold for about a month and saw how truly behind I was in technology. I felt like I went from using a super computer, to using a typewriter. IT WAS A JOKE.
I was pumped for the new roll out of BB's this past quarter, those really sucked...I then was optimistic about the QNX rollout of phones, then those get delayed..... A BIG TIME JOKE
Overall.....blackberry......you lost a FAN. :(
iphone 5......see you next summer
BB bold user
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So this means they will be available to the public summer 2013!! way to go,,
Then developers may start getting some apps sorted. The new phones may be almost as good as a 2008 iPhone by 2015. Great news!
Is anybody on here ever going to wake up? RIM is finished. How stupid are these people? Releasing a product 12 months from now with todays technology! That is fucking ridiculous!
Those assholes running the company have to go down in history as the biggest jerk offs in CEO history!
RIP RIM
hmmm.... cynically, Im glad as I bought my 9900 this summer assuming the next gen phones would be delayed past the announced date. Now i can squeeze 6-12 more months out of this one. (I can imagine all the people who were waiting feel pretty screwed around right now, though)
It's amazing the capability from some people to screw up an excellent product and business; I'm quite sad with the last new from BB... that's the last push that I need to move to another platform, I - as a lot of people - was patiently waiting for the next QNX (or Blackberry 10) smartphones generation. So ... friends it's time to move to another place.
I have to say that i am greatly disappointed to say the least! I've been waiting for a new phone since August. I have a storm 2 and a playbook. Although they have been serving my purpose, I have been holding out for a QNX phone and figured that I would get one in March or April. Now that i have to wait until the end of the year I don't think I will give RIM another chance, As soon as the iPhone 5 is released I will probably switch over and get an iPad 3 as well. My entire family switched to the iPhone and they couldn't be happier. I am the only one still on blackberry. Although my kids use it as a phone and play games my wife runs her business with her macbook, iPhone and iPad. iCloud is an incredible app. Her calendar, contacts, photos, emails and other files stay synced between all of her devices. Everything works flawlessly! Even when RIM releases QNX devices there is going to be a learning curve. I am sick of having issues with new devices from RIM. I want to stay loyal but with all of the broken promises, RIM doesn't deserve my loyalty any more.
RIM is not a leading cutting edge technology company and i dont think they will ever be..what i do know is that they put out a solid product that does things well(at least in my experience).
Its just too bad that they fell asleep at the wheel awhile ago and are trying to catch up .
No Problem. My Contract is running out in the End of 2012. :-)
New Contract and a new BB10 Berry. Yeah... :-)
RIM wont last that long, your faith in RIM it just absurd
When was the last time anyone heard of apple doing what RIM just did and hold off their new phones for a newer chip. They suck. What happens if this new chip is delayed. Anyone who thinks it was smart to do this needs to stop drinking the cool-aid and realize how bad of a situation Rim is in. Iphone was released in 2007 and it takes almost 6 years to come up with a comparable product?? To all fellow stockholders.....enjoy!!
Very sad day for BB fans.
Pretty sure they are waiting for OMAP5430 and OMAP5432 to be released, both dual-core procs clocked at 2GHz. It's gonna be legen(wait for it...)dary!
I have a feeling that even with a powerful system like QNX, RIM will still not be able to maintain the hype.
And that's before or after the end of the Mayan calendar? Sigh.
Well whatever the reason, my upgrade is due mid Jan/13 and I'll be using my 9700 workhorse until then. Maybe even after, so attached to it.
sad group of babies you are. how many phones does a company have to release before everyones satisfied for a week?...if every company made the same phone where would the choices be? RIM isnt going anywhere, and theyre not in the past either. they created a structure and stuck with it. funny how everyone that complains will be the first to support them when bbx phones are released. as an owner of apple, android and bb products i can most deffinitly say im going to stick with every purchase ive made and continue to put my faith in more solid products from RIM.
I have contract till 2013 on my 9900, so BB10 will be just in time =)
RIP Rim!!!! There won't make it to late 2012. Maybe HP will buy them.;)
Well, ive decided that ive had enough myself. Ive made the switch to Windows Phone. I can't say I would never come back, but the lack of progess in terms of products has remained constant. Microsoft really has something here. Side note, Outlook and ActiveSync integration is stellar.
A late 2012 might not be all bad, especially when even most of the hardcore BB fans on this site were quite unhappy with Milan/London. This may give RIM sometime to catch the market trend and understand what the users really want and what competitions they are really facing so they can stop their grossly delusional underestimation of their competitors.
I would not be surprised and am quite prepared for additional delays, especially when they're telling us that the chip they want to use doesn't exist yet. What's worse though is that they seem to give no indication that they would revise their specs; from now to late 2012 is a very long time, any specs that they have included in their prototype will be very outdated by late 2012/later.
We should be prepared to not see a BB phone released in 2012, but hope that BB will actually be more open-minded and launch something that looks nothing like the bastard children shown in the rendering.
Come on, see this as a rebirth for RIM. Despite the BB10 naming, it is the death of the BBos and a new era of QNX, give RIM some time to launch a real new product like any company trying to develop a new line or major project.
This makes me feel better about having just bought a BB7 phone in September. I'll at least get a year out of it before it becomes obsolete. :P
Forget about QNX, I'm just looking for the freakin Themebuilder 7 to come out so we can get some themes for 9930's!
The hardware is more than enough. It's the software that lags. Evidence? Where's themebuilder!!! for os7 that came out a long time ago.
I hate to say it, but my Torch 9850 will be my last BB. I love this phone and I'll miss BBM(even though most of my contacts have switched to android), but unless something major happens...I'm out. It doesn't look like we'll be getting any decent app support anytime soon and BBs are falling behind even more everyday. Androids are getting better with every new release. I never thought I'd ever post anything like this, but its time to face the truth...maybe something big will happen to change my mind...
yeah its confirm first qnx phone will come after iphone 5.good job rim.....your so stupid.
Doesn't matter, as long as 2 things happen:
1. Keep improving OS7 with speed/battery life, and upgrades in core applications... The upgrades that somehow borrow the characteristics of the core apps in BBX
2. Give us PB OS2 on time, in no less than perfect shape
Guess that's the end for RIM. RIP RIM 2012
ok seriously this is not good just what will they do to make money in q1-2 and 3?
Great news. It looks like we'll have the phones in July.
Current BB phones are great and OS2 for the pb is coming in February. A good OS2 roll-out will give some proof that the new BB10 phones will be great.
All the games and apps that we need to satisfy our hunger until the new phones arrive will come from the pb.
I guess they missed the success that Samsung had with the Galaxy S II. If the US carriers are demanding a LTE device, tell them that's fine but you'll just release the Blackberry 10 devices in Europe and Asia first with HSPA+. Then wait six months, update the processor and LTE chip for a US launch. At least you could make the argument that BB10 isn't some bs platform, get developers going prior to a US launch and bring a couple devices to the US at the same time while adding to the European and Asia device catalog.
However, at this point they will be competing with the Iphone 5 that will probably utilize the same LTE chipset and have significant more marketing backing. I don't see why they didn't just go with a slightly thicker design with bigger battery for a faster launch. They keep modifying designs at the last minute to incorporate newer tech and end up releasing something late that isn't impressive. There is no way they were considering that chipset for the original Colt, so I don't see the point of waiting when you can just update the hardware for the new chipset in 6-9 months.
So this means that Balsille meant "we will skip 2012" when he said "leapfrog" talking about new releases...
mwahaha...but lesson for RIM, don't "leapfrog" when you're hanging on a cliff
Wow I can't believe all the hate thats going on here. I guess I will be the last one on earth using a blackberry. I don't understand why everyone says BB7 is outdated. How? iOS still looks the same from 4 years ago with an update here and there. We can only wish RIM for the best and to expect the worst. The only fret I have is if RIM goes down I'm going to be forced to use an iPhone or Android. Sigh.
I love my keyboard. I mean, I really love it. I can touch type on it fast and accurately. Takes my wife 2x longer to type a text that looks like it was composed by a monkey on her HTC. Well, maybe RIM will be gone in 2 years, but NO regrets on the 9900. Its a nice, capable device and I will never see my texts on damnyouautocorrect.com.
Makes perfect sense to me. They have a plan and know precisely what kind of hardware they want. Why release something earlier with hardware that isn't good. They learned their lesson from the PB - when you release something new - make it good. Plain and simple.
Why can't 3G plus phones be worked on first for Tmobile and international markets earlier. LTE can be released later. RIM boast about how strong their international markets are. Most of these markets will not have LTE for a few years. Not buying the excuse.
And those markets are buying OS7 Phones at a rapid pace...so why stop that. What they need to do is capture the US market, & they are all talking LTE & Faux G
Glad I upgraded to a 9900, but this isn't good for RIM. Even at a $1 salary those two are overpaid.
Nail....coffin.
Android and iOS 10s will be out by the time BB10 is released. I was an avid supporter of RIM but these delays and excuses are 100% typical of this company. They need a CEO with a vision as opposed to 2 guys who have their heads up each others' asses and are STILL patting each others' backsides as they sink this once proud Canadian company. F U RIM.
RIM has the financial strength to overcome the delay. First thing first release PB OS2 in February, if you listened to the call they must have mentioned February five or six times, Playbook apps will grow exponentially so when BBX phones are launched it will have the apps at the get go.
The most positive information was the acknowledgment that they need to do a better job marketing the brand especially in the US, there's a lot of crap emanating from that cesspool aka the US that needs to be refuted and communicate a better awareness of the Blackberry.
hey hey i live in this so called fecal pool!! but yes, i agree with you, this place is full of people that are full of themselves. spoiled, whiney and arrogant.
Ya know- I really don't care how long it takes. I love my 9850 and I NEVER want to switch away from BlackBerry. I love their phones. If that makes me a fanboy (woman) I don't care- so be it. RIM- take your time and get it right and all those whining here will be saying " I knew it- I knew they could do it and show everyone what a phone should be"! lol
We here in the US are kinda spoiled and whiney. Just saying.......
Look to October for the release of the first BB10 phones.
By the time BB10 is ready, the specs will be mediocre, as usual iPhone 5 and Androids will leapfrog BlackBerry again.
LOL, Later 2012 it's like summer 2013 in RIM Time....... and by then they will have OS2 for playbook ready and it may require quad core playbook 2 to be able to run it smoothly~~~~ but they wont have playbook 2 ready until 2014~~~~~~~
wow what a stupid comment. The playbook runs flawless on a dual core..
it was a sarcastic remark based on their track records.... i have no problem with playbooks' current performance if only i can do more with it:(~~~ it's just like running os6 on a f***ing 9700~~~when they finally got something right ~~ the hardware lags behind~~
plan, confirm and then announce, it's not the otherway around RIM....
Based on past RIM behavior, if they say they'll be ready by late 2012, that means we won't see them until mid 2013. Especially true if you're on AT&T.
I hate to say it because I'm a huge blackberry fan, but the delays in shipping the playbook (a device I really wanted asap) resulted in my buying an ipad. My subsequent lack of faith in them to deliver has lead me to trade in my 9700 for an iphone. I know it's blasphemy and to be honest in 5 days I'm already partially regretting the decision, but the point is I would have 100% bought a blackberry if it was available and in the same ballpark specs/options-wise. The gaps that apple and android have in comparison to BB are notable and important, but I feel like the competition will catch up to BB before BB will catch up to the competition on so many other differences.
I hate to say it because I'm a huge blackberry fan, but the delays in shipping the playbook (a device I really wanted asap) resulted in my buying an ipad. My subsequent lack of faith in them to deliver has lead me to trade in my 9700 for an iphone. I know it's blasphemy and to be honest in 5 days I'm already partially regretting the decision, but the point is I would have 100% bought a blackberry if it was available and in the same ballpark specs/options-wise. The gaps that apple and android have in comparison to BB are notable and important, but I feel like the competition will catch up to BB before BB will catch up to the competition on so many other differences.
This is actually a good thing for those who just got an BB7 device like me.
I love my 9900 at least we will have our cellphones a while longer and won't have to dish out more $$$ for yet another Blackberry phone. I'm content, If people want all the features missing, just buy a Playbook. That's what I did and i'm happy.
Ok... That's it! I just bought myself a HTC TITAN off eBay... I'll be back when BB10 finally gets here... So long 9900.... I'll miss you...
Your going to ditch the 9900 because of the delay? I'll take it. Really I will.
"i told you so" comes to mind. Now they're blaming the chip manufacturer, whenQ4 of 2012 comes and there are still no bb10 devices they will blame the economy or the aliens. it's sad, very sad...
lets face it.... RIM sucks and needs to be revamped
The new phones don't have to be bleeding edge at all. They need to be snappy, stable, and with long battery life.... and with the candybar type physical keyboard.
I recently went to Android, but will happily return for a proper blackberry.
I'll stick to my OS6 Bold 9700 then (using OS7 theme and icons). Not really interested on upgrading to OS7, since most of what I use my smartphone for can be done the same way in both gen of devices:Phone, Mail, BBM and Photo Camera. Sometimes crappy web browsing but I'll live with it. No media playback at all.
Lines up with my contract renewal!!!
Im soooooooo sick of RIM pandering to the US market only, the rest of the world doesn’t appear matter. The US is far from the be all and end all market for anyone.
but if you lose the US market, you will eventually lose the rest of the world. US is and will always be the battlefield. All major tech sites that review phones are in the states, and they pretty much determine the fate of the phone. Hate it, but have to live with it.
hey Kevin, at least you won't have to worry about spending any money on the QNX/BBX/BB 10/who knows what the 2012 os name will be for another year. trying to find a bright side.
everyone also seems to have forgotten another promise, BIS 4.0 in North America last summer.
What are you talking about?
They are already at BIS 4.1
The stock is going to get crushed tomorrow. Afters hours is down 8 percent. Jim balsillie needs to be fired in the next week. I just dont see a future in rim anymore.I have a feeling it will be sold for its patents. Its so frustrating when everyone can see what rim is doing wrong except the people who actually make the decisions at rim.
who cares about the stock price, don't get obsessed about Wall Streets speculation.
RIm generated $900 million in cash last quarter
Sure, no BB10 action for the most part of 2012, but I'm still gonna look on the bright side... it's possible new BB10 phones gonna get some holiday discounts for next Christmas! ***crosses fingers***
this i not bad news
man, people seem spoiled or something
blackberry 7 smartphones are awesome, and the playbook is awesome too, i am perfectly satisfied with 7.1 and can remain fully content it until rim releases these new phones.
i think this is actually not a bad announcement at all, because with the changes taking place in the wireless smartphone industry occurring more rapidly by the minute (seemingly) that it would be ridiculous to try to make a bunch of phones between and when they plan to release bb10
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If my new 9900 doesn't brick I will be happy to wait a year. I love the phone and i don't want a full touchscreen phone
If my new 9900 doesn't brick I will be happy to wait a year. I love the phone and i don't want a full touchscreen phone
awwww. sad news. would probably try the new Nokia Lumia 800 for the meantime..
Look at Mike Lizard's photo on engadget.com. It belongs in an obituary.
LOL, possibly the world's slowest company in every sense. They just never get it right. This is the tech world, people want things NOW, not tomorrow. They haven't learned a thing and deserve to fail. And making promises and going back on them is just icing on the cake. By the time these os 10 things come out they'll be in the same predicament, the competition will be light years away. Go focus some more.
t's Official: First BlackBerry 10 Smartphones Will Be Available Late 2012!
Great. We're screwed.
Why wont the board of directors fire those 2 clowns jim and mike...????
I'm sure the apple and andriod management are laughing their asses off @ this news
by the time RIM delivers on their promises its will be too late for them!!!!!!!!
loving my 9900 tho :)
Here's your options;
1) Go buy an Android LTE phone that has a battery life of 5 hours
2) Go buy an iPhone 4s ( LTE not ) and have it explode and catch on fire
3) Shut the hell up and wait for BB10 LTE with an efficient CPU that provides a 20 hour battery life
YUP Folks.. That's what u sound like when u drink that kool-aid... BB10 LTE.... LMAO at the end of 2012??? LMAO... Man.. set higher expectations Bro.. LMAO... I would hope that's not all they would have to offer by then..
Wow... that's just embarrassing right there.
Idiot.
That's good for me. That when my upgrade is!!!!! \=D/ so hopefully ill still love BB by then
I for one am extremely happy with Rims decision i didnt expect them to release the BB10 phones early Qt1 2012 because i looked at there past history and knew they weren't capable of that. The only remaining question is will they stick to there current release date and if they do will they provide a quality product? Or will i be getting and Iphone 5?
What's the betting line that Apple will have a quadcore in their Iphone 5, when RIM comes along and talks about their "cutting edge", "leapfrogging the competition" dual core phone????
I have been a VERY loyal Blackberry supporter since 2007. I have many Blackberries over the last five years and own the latest device, the Blackberry Torch 9850. The 9850 is a great try by RIM but the handset to date has very poor battery life, freezes often and still has no OS update from its original release in August by Sprint. I just bought a Infinity and although I did get the Torch to work with the Bluetooth phones and music, it does not display the titles properly and my wife's Blackberry Style wont even be recognized for Bluetooth music. Neither will my son's Curve 3G. This latest news plus some of what I have described above has just about done it for us. Christmas is upon us and I am preparing to migrate to iphones. I am so sorry. You have to keep up in the technology game and it is obvious that RIM is just too far behind to ever catch up. Undoubtedly, if I waited until mid 2012, these updated handsets will still get delayed until fall or later and will still behind at that point as the iphone 5 and other blazing Androids will be out by then. No more waiting. This may be my last entry as a actual Blackberry user and I am not happy that I am leaving but we just have to move on to better things. Placing my orders this weekend.
And that's me stepping out the door.
I was waiting to see what they would announce tonight before I made up my mind on my next device purchase. I had already decided that if BB 10 was going to arrive early 21012, then I would wait. OS7 just doesn't cut it for me, sorry folks.
Given RIM's track record, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that they will release their new devices before the end of next year, IMHO.
I have no faith left in this company and no longer wish to carry around a device that does not do the things that I need it to do, requires a twice daily reboot and is as slow as molasses.
Adios, BlackBerry.......I wish you well.
And with that I must unfortunately say goodbye to RIM. I did not want to leave and I was waiting for this news to make a final decision. I have waited and waited and cannot see a comeback any time soon.
Goodbye Blackberry
I will miss you
LMAO @ Baby Steps.. LOL.. OMFG... sooo let me guess.. BB OS 6 was supposed to be like the best thing since sliced bread... lol Baby Steps.. Now its 7..... Baby Steps.. Now looking at 10!! Baby steps u say huh???? Question.. WHEN DO WE WALK LIKE A BIG BOY???????
Atleast now there will be enough time for BB8 and BB9 ....
Another thing to consider is, the reason people even have BlackBerries is probably not because they like or enjoy using them, I'm pretty sure they have them because they are cheap with plans and they are used by companies for security reasons..
I think what'll really illustrate my point is that If users truly had BlackBerry devices because they are so great I think we would've actually seen many more people buying a Playbook..
But when sales are under 1 million, despite having claimed to sold 100 million phones worldwide I think it was, yet not even a million users want the Playbook..
I think that says a lot..
Baby steps, people. Baby steps. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and lets keep our focus on the release of OS 2.0 for the Playbook. That will determine the true future of the company. If its a hit then no one will care how long it takes for BB10 to come out because it will give us all something to look forward to.if it fails, well I better not fail because that's the future of the company riding on it. I personally predict OS 2.0 as being a hit for BB. It won't put them ahead of the game but it will keep them in it. That's the first step.
I am sure that they will just strip away a lot of features on 2.0 and push another incomplete os build.
And they already took out BBM on 2.0 os, so it will all just go down hill from here.
Hey everyone, get a grip! We are talking about phones, not world peace.
Personally, I would rather RIM take the time to get the phones right. I want our BlackBerrys to work properly, and be devices that we can love and be proud of.
GO RIM !!
wow alot of griping on here. seriously, if you want to switch just switch already. some who switch may or may not be looking back. RIM's transition to QNX and BB10 phones isn't going to be an easy task. they've learned their lesson with pushing out PB as is and i'm sure they dont want to do the same with their BB10 phones. it takes time to improve and learn from big mistakes. I'm sure RIM is trying their best to get everything all right for the release of the BB10 phones along with a healthy eco system of apps and so forth.
Let RIM ride the tides and watch them either sink or sail along with the idroids. ;)
i am on 3 year contract with my 9810 so i have timmmmmmmmmmmmmmme to upgrade.
better if rim comes out with strong product than half baked product again imo. i do not get it what is big deal about iphone or android. 9810 is just as good less the apps.
All I see around me is Iphones. So tired of it. If Tmo ever gets it, then it will be another reason to jump. I love my blackberry, but the future does not look great for these folks.
Damn you autocorrect.
Everyone complained because BB7 was not going to get enough time and who would buy it if BB10 would be out in early 2012?? so why the complains now?
I think if they release playboook os2 they will keep people happy until they release bb10 later that year. Lets be realistic the average consumer needs a good commercial and they are sold. so what they need to do is invest in promoting BB7 and bammm deliver a good BB10 with LTE and something different....
Although I still want my physical keyboard thanks
I'm tired of all their excuses. I have since moved from blackberry devices. Also told a lot of my friends to switch. I use to love blackberry but not anymore. They haven't innovated much. The specs of their current phones I don't care for. I guess thinking that I would get a qnx phone early 2012 made me happy but after this news no thanks. My heart sank....... I think by the time a bb10 device comes out its going to suck as always. Get rid of the two cheese heads that run rim and the company will fly. Im tired of seeing Mr Lazardis ( fat a$$) lie all the time. RIM is going to lose a lot of investors now.
Why did you move from a BlackBerry? What do you think an iOS or Android device can do that a BB can't? What do you need from a smartphone that a BlackBerry can't provide to you?
i'm so shocked to hear this news, this is SOOO PATHETIC!! come on RIM, COME ON!! but, okay, i'll stick with this, but better be good RIM, show them all there that your new BB 10 phones will be AMAZINGLY AWESOME! prove others that yeah, still BB is the smartphone with a smart power & radio management, COME ON RIM BRING IT ON!!!
Look.. To all u guys on here trying to put the "SPIN" on yet another one of RIM's earnings call.. WAKE UP!!! Seriously... The comments like " it great RIM is taking its time to use cutting edge tech".. ARE U F ing serious?? Ummmm there isn't anything in tech that is "cutting edge" in Dec 2011 that will be F ing cutting edge Oct-Dec 2012!! This company has gotten us NOTHING on time.. I have stuck by RIM by using their devices and services for many years..Hell I even got a playbook HOPING they will do right by us.. But lets be honest.. Had shit like this happen at APPLE.. There would be mayhem in the streets.. (again look at all the hoopla over an iPhone a few months late).. Lets stop the nonsense and call it for what it is.. RIM NEEDS TO GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER ASAP!! Because if you think this earnings call was bad, wait until you hear the next few...
Amen brother I feel your anger and dissatisfaction.
+ 10000
I really dont get how anyone can be positive about this news. Look at their recent headlines. I am starting to realize they are a joke among other companies. Late 2012, waiting on a chipset and this is leapfrogging?
This is hilarious, RIM keeps on screwing up, It's beyond me how the company is still alive, late 2012 is just that wayy too late, they are already very behind with Mobile OS..
Now I've got this feeling OS 2.0 may not be released on the promised February either..
Either way If I do ever get a smartphone It won't be a Blackberry, and If I see another delay for OS 2.0 I'm completely giving up and moving back to iOS or Android..
I think users have been more then patient with BlackBerry, the amount of screwups IMO not acceptable..
Why would anyone even think about going BlackBerry at 2012, I've got this strong feeling that RIM will be loosing a lot of customers to Android or iOS..
And although Playbook may have that potential, I don't think we'll be able to see it go much further..
RIM has fallen behind the technical power curve and will be relegated to mediocrity until they produce a technical advancement that garnishes significant industry attention.
End of RIM 2013. Late 2012 is way too late in the game to compete with Apple and Google. Mind share will not be on RIM's side and certainly not developers. I have zero confidence in RIM's leadership.
Does anyone remember PlayBook's original Marvell chipset, that didn't do as promised and had to delay launch and work with the TI OMAP? Let's just hope history doesn't repeat itself...wait...
i've been out of contract for a while waiting on a new bb. i have the playbook which is amazing. i want to see how the OS2 will work before i dump this storm 2. if it can be somewhat functional, android or iOS will be an option since RIM really hates the US market.
RIMPIRE STRIKES AGAIN!!
And then people wonder when they see so much Android and Apple stuff around our CrackBerry website.
Bye bye CrackBerry........ welcome CrackDroid!!
Welcome mobile nations....
I guess the I-phone 5 will beat the BB10 phones to the finish line.
"Passengers for Flight RIM-BB10 there has been a delay with the chipset, we've arranged alternative connections to your destination with Android and Apple"
And the whole terminal groans...
@crackberrykevin, I think the next poll on the site should be to ask if we're going to stay with BlackBerry of jump to another smartphone. I don't think you'd be surprised at the results.
They should forget QNX and go with Windows OS, much better for the market target. Android is still to weak.
Shares are going below $10.
Waiting till next year to upgrade my phone, I rather to be BB. I got 9870 now and it`s a good phone except the web-browsing (really ? that`s what computers are for) and "lack of apps", most I could use are available. I don`t need "farting noise" apps.
The delay is not a bad news, they have just released bunch of OS7 phones (which should have been done 2 years ago) and releasing a new phone now would just not sit well with people and providers. Later year release date is a better choice for sales.
I see it as a house-cleaning, getting all bad news out of the way all at once and get ready for 2012, assuming the management knows what are they doing. They do need to bring in a marketing guru of a high caliber.
Too little, too late. Only the most dedicated fanboi will still have a BlackBerry by then. There cannot be a more incompetent phone/OS maker on the planet.
OMG!!! I am soooo shocked......
And that, ladies and gentleman, is sarcasm.......
I think waiting till fall is perfect although damaging to the share price. Sales of OS7 is lagging because many people think BB10 is around the corner. It should have never been out there while they wanted people to adopt OS7. There should be a reasonable lengh of time between when a new product is introduced and when it is rendered old news by the producer.
The focus on Playbook cost RIM too much time and resources. Supporting the smartphone business should have been their first priority
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!!! not again!!!!!!!!
Too little, too late! They are essentially writing off the US smartphone market.
Quite honestly I don't believe it's a hardware issue - I think they are having a lot more trouble adapting QNX to phones than they ever dreamed they would.
My contract is up in December 2012 so I would wait until then to buy but I fear a lot of lost sales from now until next summer.
A few years ago, this would have been good news, knowing that RIM was delaying production due to "they need this chipset in order to deliver the efficiency and battery life that customers expect from a BlackBerry", but RIM is already way behind the times. Just imagine what HTC, Motorola, and the rest are going to have by late 2012. My contract expires at that time, but do I really believe (I want to, I really do) that BB10 phones are going to be at the same level as the leading "competitors?" I am a die hard RIM fan, and I will not be getting rid of my 9810 any time soon, but we need proof, something to get us back in the game. Enough is enough, sell out, new leadership, something, that is all we ask.
If OS 2.0 and BB OS 7.1are not on time and/or lacking, I think a lot consumer (including me) will explore otheroptions.
Forget the outages, the competition, the mismanagement; these long-delayed releases will be what finally kills RIM off.
I find it funny this news break the same day I finally ditch my berry and get my hands on a galaxy nexus.
When will you learn RIM?
I am out of my contract in Feb....Iphone 4s or Android for me...I am am doubtful that the playbook Update will even come out in Feb with all the let downs this company has had this year.....REALLY time to start rethinking the upper management there...
Well, we're boned.
Well I guess this decides it then. I was gonna give RIM a chance if they had something out when my contract expires (April). So that means I'm going Android (or slim chance of iPhone) for the next 3 years. I guess by the time THAT contract is up either RIM will be dead as far as the consumer market, or they will be kicking @$$ and taking names. Time will tell....
OS 7 devices are awesome. Maybe focus on Playbook so I can spell check.....
It is amazing how many people still believe any of RIM's promises. Any bets on Playbook 2.0 in February. Not holding my breath.
Actually I do believe that as I have seen the beta.
Also reaffirmed today.
A playbook purchase... I just cant
Oh BB...well I hate to say it but I made the right choice switching to a Droid Razr. The BB7 phones became almost obsolete very quickly.
I was willing to wait till early 2012 for a new BB10 device as I'm done my carrier contract, but I am not willing to wait till the end of 2012 thats for sure. I'm sure the shareholders can't be overly impressed either but we'll see that dump shortly.
These co CEO’s of RIMM are liars and clowns….They PROMISED BBX/BBX/BB10 at the beginning of 2012 and now it is delayed???? THEY DON”T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND CAN NO LONGER BE TRUSTED ON ANY LEVEL….
Agreed. I can't trust anything they say.
YES! it wont release before RIM's shut down! Which means it will never be released! Oo-rah RIM
RIM won't even exist in late 2012.
I'm kind of getting sick of sticking by these guys.. Nothing they say can be beleived.. Everything is delayed.. It's not like they are rookies in this game.. WTF!!
Their heads need to be rolling.
Why is everybody so mad when RIM just released new phones in this quarter? If it takes time then it may just be of quality.
The reason everyone is pissed is cause they do this all the time. Show something that is cool or ok end of 2011 and now say release late 2012. By then it will AGAIN be behind the competition... RIM is dropping the ball... Mike and Jim are doing a job similar to our idiot president.
I can't swallow that nonsense. Our president is cool enough to use a Blackberry. If he doesn't win another term, I am moving to Canada.
I lol'd at this!
uh...Obama said he has an iPhone now, didn't he?
We aren't mad at RIM we are mad at the Mike and Jim, the supposed CEO's. They have run the company into the ground, the last 10 months especially...I'd be surprised if RIM isn't sold before late 2012.
I expect this to happen too.
I am not at all surprised, that's why I got my bold 9900 now! :)
HUGE mistake on RIM's part (again). They're going to lose a lot more customers who are looking to upgrade their phone but don't want to wait until late 2012. This may be the end of BlackBerry for me as well. I am definitely not waiting that long to get a new phone.
You guys seriously expected early BBX phones in q1 2012? The BB7 phones released exactly a year after BB6 phones, they can't move to a new platform that fast.
That OS2 for PB will be delayed as well, still no premium apps for PB.....RIM is clearly shooting themselves in the foot, look just Java on the PB let me have my premium apps on that. BB7 is fast enough for me.
works for me. got my 9930 and my upgrade clock ticking.
I am in the same boat. love my 9930.
Same old chit.... A day late & a dollar short. When these new unit come out (very late 2012) they would again be out dated. So sad.
if the RiMpiRe dont strikes back 2012, i will change to the company w/ the green robot or fruits...!
Go with the fruits... as of late they are the most professional company with no BS coming out there mouths... They are stable which is very important and they have a huge ecosystem behind them trust me fruit is the way to go
Cheer up everyone, in case you hadn't noticed, these OS7 deviced are pretty fn good. If you're always chasing the next thing you're never going to be content with anything you have.
Oh if only some sane voice had warned RIM of these things years ago.
Android here I come!
Me too!!!
And the worst part of it is, those phones will probably still be a year behind whatever Android and Apple will be releasing...smh.....
Iphone 5, Windows phone 8, and new android OS will all be out before late 2012...no way they can compete with all of them.
I CALLED IT!!!! From the moment they started pushing release dates back. 1st they said they were going to unveil the phones in October at Devcon (which they did not), then they said they'd be out by the end of the 1st q (which I didn't believe) and now like I thought they won't be out till end of 2012!!! This is all just so they can sell more bricked OS 6.1 phones! This is truly, truly sad.
Ouch dude... I forgot they promised to show the phones at DevCon! What an epic failure! Non-stop lies!
I'm going to be that guy: I ordered iphone 4S last week to replace my bold 9900. I'll miss the keyboard and push email but after today's news, I'm happy about my decision. There is no future for RIM. :( This actually makes me sad. sigh...
Mike Lazaridis is NO Steve Jobs...
Seems like a good way to clear out all of those os7 devices by delaying new releases, NOT!! This is just like with the delayed PlayBook 2.0, just another sad day for RIM. :(
I knew it. I remember all those people who were parading around saying that the os7 phones were only stop gap devices because QNX BB phones are coming out soon. HA! Who is right now? I saw this coming a mile away. And let's not assume Rim is going to keep their promise and release QNX phones in 2012. It might be mid 2013 before they hit shelves in America. Remember, there might be carrier delays too.
The only loser here is RIM. As much as I support the idea of taking the time to polish the product (which I doubt is what they are doing, as they are giving no indication of updating other specs from now til then), RIM would face a very big problem if they release the phone in 2013. If no BB phone is released in 2012, anyone whose contract has expired and want a upgrade will turn away from RIM's archaic BB7...RIM will lose a huge share.
This is weak!! Everyone has dual core cpu's, why are they waiting?
I hope they don't think this delay will force users to buy there OS 7 device and that is were the 11 million devices sold will come from.
RIMPLOSION
Lazaridis is using Windex to solve RIM woes... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
btw are they talking late "calander year 2012" or "fiscal calendar year"
Calendar 2012. RIM's already in their "late fiscal 2012"
Last time I checked, RIM was on Chinese calendar. Their new year starts in our February, and everything works out just fine. What's the problem?
They are probably talking Dec 31 2012 :/
That's late December 31st, 2012. Around 11:59pm!
lmfao thats hurtful i have a bit more faith in them than that Rim Will DELIVER!!! have faith
haha...RIM will deliver...
To be then told that the phone cannot send sms :-) (Remember native email?)
I have been a long time (since it launched in Australia in 2004) BB user and am desperately clinging on to it. But I must say it is getting harder.
I could not get 9810 because Vodafone here decided not to carry it - they did not want to take stock they were not confident of selling.
Anyway, time to reflect on what I want to do next year when I get sober in the new year ...
Windows Phone next for me I think, although I will miss my BBM :(
This is by far the worst outcome I could have expected for RIM. They are choosing to become another Palm. I fully expect a headline in 2013 to read "RIM is dead. Long live RIM."
Wow... I hope my 9780 can last this long... Or my carrier releases (and then drops the price) on the 9860...
Damn, very bad news
At least now we know why those RIM executives were so drunk on that flight ;-)
Bold 9000
Playbook 16MB
+1
Gosh, what a surprise. I'm so glad I didn't wait to upgrade to my 9900. I just wonder if there will still be Blackberry phones in existence when I shop for an upgrade...
Same here (except I have the 9930). I can't for the life of me imagine having to go to an iDevice or Android. Not even MS.
Didn't hear it, but is there reason why they can't release one sooner with older chipset and then another towards the end of year with upgraded chipsets? Very weak response.
Stock @ 10 by tomorrow afternoon, if not sooner. Zero confidence.
yes.... its wasting millions of dollars and the older chipset version will be crappy and comparably more lagg oriented that the new chipset version
That's no good to me. So, the estimates that they'd be available by Q1/Q2 of 2012 were wrong. My contract expires in July 2012. I have the 9900 and since no more seem to be up for production until the 10 devices, I may have to upgrade to an Android or Windows device which I shudder at thought of it. I really don't want to… unless there are others who can suggest what to do for the gap of around 3-4 months until these new devices ship.
Here's a suggestion - wait for three months.
Wait three months without BIS? I'd rather not. I depend on BIS for my employment. As stated in other posts, it sucks for us who's contracts end before Q3 of 2012. Oh well, I'll make up my mind on what I will do when the time comes… still BS with all of the time estimates.
Why is it the people dont do their research..... you can hold off from renewing your contract while still receiving service from your provider and paying month to month with your same status and then when a phone comes along that you feel like upgrading to you upgrade and continue your 2-3 yr contract from there
Great. Go head to head with the iPhone 5 release.
nail. coffin.
The Iphone 5 should actually be coming out around that time which is going to utterly defeat Rim. And if Apple continues on with there current history this iphone will likely have a new design and its a possibility that it may also have LTE as the passing Jobs spoke about it briefly.....
All an all i am an Avid supporter of Rim but i am also not whimsical or fanciful in ignoring the brilliance of others and if Rim goes head to head with Apple they will suffer and utter defeat and will lose respect at least here in the U.S. for years to come.
nah...iPhone 5 will release around that time..but BB10 won't. I'm quite sure they won't be facing head to head unless iPhone 5 will be delayed to 2013.
While this is a big bummer, when did RIM actually officially say that the phone would be out in Feb/Mar?
Typical RIM run around! I am so tired of their delays and excuses. I agree that it is time for new blood at RIM. Something needs to happen soon or RIM is going to be left in the dust, if it has not already happened.
They will be sold before late 2012...stock down over 8 percent already in after hours trading..
*sigh* probably get the Samsung Galaxy S3.
Enjoy your malware and Carrier IQ ... I'll enjoy my 9850 (that actually fits in my pocket) and Playbook.
Guess you have not owned an Android powered phone yet. There are many Roms available from developers with malware and ciq removed.
That are stone age quality whilst I enjoy my one device that does everything I need for it to do.
Don't mind waiting! Put the latest and best chipset! I'm content with my 9810 till then! Keep up RIM!!!!!
Lol.
but at the same time, the new chip will be so experimental and new that it will likely have quite a bit of defects and glitches...and additional delays
Since RIM is probably the only company using it (the first anyway) at that time, if the chip fails, RIM will sink
WTF??????
Sooo glad I didnt hold out my upgrade for this. I knew it would be forever.
I will continue to love my Bold until something better comes out :)
Amen
Me too. I'm glad I made the switch to the Bold 9900 instead of waiting, hoping, and praying for the new BlackBerry 10 phone. Speaking of which, take all the time you need RIM but do it right this time.
RIM over promising and under delivering, who'd have thought it? All those who delayed buying the 9900/9930 as BBX was coming in early 2012 should give themselves a good hard kick.
Bold 9000
Playbook 16MB
*kicks himself*
Great, now RIM will be two years behind the competition.
Typical RIM. Promise, promise, promise... delay, delay, delay and still after release sth. isn't working -.-
Get some new CEOs NOW >.< I even don't believe that this new Chipset will be state of the art in one year. I hope RIM knows what it's doing...
Que the fat lady
Nuh Nuh Nuh nuh
hey hey hey
goodbye
So why don't you kill me
I hear trumpets...they're playing TAPS...
While I'm disappointed I don't think comments like this are accurate. RIM subscriber base is up 35%. This is hardly death.
RIM will survive long enough to put out the BBX phones. Given that, they have to be amazing. I'm not worried about this financial news one little bit I'm worried about the quality of the phone, the overall UI. That's really all that counts.
subs are up in "emerging markets." Not in high margin markets like the US. I'm glad they can still move phones, but this effort is not going to be enough to save them.
Folks on CB are fans who want to pull for Blackberry, I get that. I would describe myself as a BB fanboy as a matter of fact. But we need to deal wih reality here. No amount of stepped-up marketing can cover up the fact that BB is no longer competitive. And no grandiose gesture on the part of Balsille and Lazaridis can cover up the fact that they have squandered all credibility and a once-incredible brand.
More promises, followed by more delays. Time's up, folks.
Ok, but that isn't on point to what I was saying. What I'm saying is RIM is not going to go bankrupt between now and late 2012, so the phones will come out so it all depends on those phones.
I was a RIM diehard but I'm really liking the looks of the Lumia 800, if the new BBX phones are not good then I'm gone, but I'll give them a chance to come out.
The release of the BB10 phone in the later part of 2012 is fine for me. My Rogers free upgrade plan doesn't come up until October 2012. Just give me the latest hardware by then.
EXACTLY!!
too late is relative to when your contract expires, Feb 2012 was too late for people who's contracts are up in Dec 2011, but was fine for people who are due March 2012, August 2012 sucks for people who are ready in March 2012, but is great for people in September 2012, or people who Purchased the 9800 coming off contract in August 2012,
WHAT A BUNCH OF BS!!!!
That is too late. FEB was already too late, this is not good at all......
i'm glad they are putting the newest chipset in the phone! stay ahead of the game, rim!
Hahahaha! That was a good one.
lol, I had a good laugh too.
i'm not sure you really listened to the webcast, but they did mention that the delay was because they were choosing a chipeset that won't be available for production until later in the year - this is to ensure that performance and battery life are what consumers expect... which basically means LTE is a battery killer and the new chipset should compensate for that.
Not just LTE, QNX also is a power hog.
Lies. If it weren't for the power-sucking screen on the PlayBook, it would have more than twice the battery life of the iPad.
Nope, QNX isn't
Stop being delusional QNX is a power hog. You think RIM is delaying the phones for fun????? LMFAO!!!!
Were you deprived of oxygen during birth? The OS is solid, it just needs some additional features baked into it... and that takes time.
I would have to disagree.
I am sure the original QNX (the one before being used on playbook) is solid, but when you refer to an os, you should be referring to all the functions.
Bridging with the phone all the time kills the battery, and wifi kills the battery; saying if you don't use something, the battery lasts longer is quite meaningless. Playbook is anything but energy efficient once you need any online/phone content, and just because the device is built to not have the basic functions automatically activated, that does not make it more efficient in a normal working situation. Though I wouldn't say iPad or any android tablet is energy efficient, Playbook certain would not fit into that category.
Yes, really? Doesn't look like it here. Despite the fast processor and less room for a battery, it runs close to my iPad. I take the PB on my commute daily, read, watch videos. I can usually go most of the work week before recharging.
Are you speaking as an owner of a QNX device???
Haha! So was that...!
As I am feeling really negative right now, the "newest" chipset by RIM's standards is "new" right now. By late 2012, it will be outdated. Sigh.......
Big trouble for RIM.
And trying to deflect the blame on the chipset manufacturer? Weak.
as long as the Chip they put in is actually cutting edge, isn't available, I would rather them deflect blame on their supplier, over deflecting blame onto a customer/carrier like Verizon who is pretty heavy on requiring LTE moving forward, really LTE is the only way they can compete with AT&T on data speeds.
I bet that it is the carriers forcing BB10 to have LTE, they don't want BB7 devices AND BB10 devices to both have the same radio, they NEED to be able to sell BB10 at the premium they get from BlackBerry's
It isn't really deflecting blame becuase it's really that they can't get a full day out of the QNX phones with the current chips. It's as much RIM's fault or more than it is on the supplier.
This is just the reality of porting over QNX to a smart phone.
That's life. QNX is the only OS they've got and it sucks power.
Are you smoking crack? QNX is one of the most energy efficient operating systems there is, in this case the real culprit is the LTE chipsets.
Are you aware that the current generation LTE chipsets must also have 3G active at the same time to handle voice calls? By mid 2012 this will not be the case which is why RIM, Microsoft and Apple are all waiting.
Lmfao! +1. But seriously you are right. Same reason why iphone doesn't have it. They are not in par with what phone life should be, unless u compare them to a 3gchargers android device. The thunderbolt and charge would wobble to 4the hrs on lte and that's if u didn't use it. So it's not entirely rims fault.
Crack is one helava drug!
Hey friend get a playbook and you'll see what a hog QNX is. It is NOT good on power. Stop talking out of your ass.
+1 for Kiddo2050. Anybody that has a Playbook can tell you that the battery does not last very long at all.
I have a PlayBook and use it for entertainment on international flights. I've watched 4 2hr movies back to back without running out of power, I'd say that's pretty good. Try that on your Thunderbolt..
because you would turn off bridge and wifi on the plane...I would genuinely not be too surprised to see this on any tablet with all data connections turned off.
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