While neither BlackBerry's earnings report nor AGM webcast addressed any of the rumors surrounding the possibility of BlackBerry building an Android device, John Chen did sit down with CNBC for an interview where the question was raised. When asked about building a pure Android phone, Chen noted 'We only build secure phones and BlackBerry is the most secure phone so, if I can find a way to secure the Android phone, I will also build that.'
That's not exactly a confirmation of anything in the works and it's still a bit of a non-answer since it doesn't address whether or not that would mean some sort of software licensing of BlackBerry security software to Android manufacturers but, it's the best acknowledgement of the rumors to date from the BlackBerry CEO.
Source: CNBC
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John Chen not against building an Android device, provided he can make it secure
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I don't have anything against android phones or their of but they such at security. If John Chen feels he can find a way to make it secure and port it blackberry. I say he is a winner and I'll give it a try. Jony Ive of apple once said, if we never change anything we limit what we can engineer.
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But if he cannot secure it (let's be honest here!), then BB10 it is, now and forever. :D
Making an un-rootable android device will be highly challenging, because there are soooooo many exploits to do it. Can you imagine how quickly it would be done? Hackers (or hobbiests) will *always* find a brilliant way to have it done. :D
So if chen can do it and it cannot be rooted, THAT will be a big thing. But then again, securing android is a very difficult thing. Lol.
Oh... now I get it!
Chen, you sly devil. Well played, sir.
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He can make it secure... but he can't make it stable and efficient !
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As usual, chen speaks a lot but says nothing.
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One of the baddest move will be if John Chen ever thinks of switching into full gear in making an android based smartphone. Come to think of it , those already using android seems to be complaining of the eco system and more importantly it drains battery like hell fire. So are we looking at a better Blackberry on the QNX or on the block headed android operating system. Trust me, aint no better smartphone than Blackberry and its BB OS. So if the guys at BB stick to it and build on it for a solid grounds the better
Let's make BlackBerry the most secured housing for all os even Windows, ios ... the design possibility would be endless
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People don't buy BlackBerry phones just because the apps store is the worst and the physical keyboard is obsolete , using android could save the company
Never do that BlackBerry 10 Users hate android specially me....
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I think the phone and or hardware division needs to be sold off with some contractual obligations added. I also feel that this might be chens or his solution but either way the writing might be on the wall but doesn't mean it's game over.
For me Chen should of been upfront ages ago if he was looking to if not already developed an android blackberry instead of adding more brand damage of speculation, that was another bad and awful move. I just don't get Chen never have never will he just lacks clear focus to me and is to closed as a ceo. The UK as I understand is the largest purchaser of handsets especially for the normal end user but still you don't see anywhere they are advertised. It is madness and even though Chen harps on about software then why still make handsets and not promote them... stupid.
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I think there's only one question here: why those out there on Samsung, HTC etc. would suddenly go and buy Blackberry (if it's on Android)? Why would they switch Samsung Android to another android (blackberry)? Just out of curiosity? It's clear blackberry users will not. Ask first wether people buying Samsungs for example. Is it because it's Samsung? Or Android? I believe Samsung is the answer.
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I think you are assuming BlackBerry is making an Android phone with "consumers" as the "primary" focus. You would be wrong. Enterprises and corporations currently have smartphones issued to their employees in this pecking order 1) iPhones, 2) Android Phones and a very distant 3) BlackBerry phones. Chen looks into the future and sees that this is not going to change radically, definitely not in the near term anyway. So BlackBerry makes a decision to multiply their odds of magnifying their footprint in corporations by offering traditional BlackBerry phones and a highly secure and stable Android phone. FYI many of these same corporations have BlackBerry EMM/MDM servers in-house that's due for an upgrade and they know BB is by far the most secure platform in mobile existence (not debatable) and they're reluctant to switch. Until now the issue has been that they don't see BB phones as the future. Enter the efficient, powerful, elegant & above all secure "Android" phone from BlackBerry. Problem solved! If consumers end up buying BlackBerry's Android phones, that's icing on the cake. Try not to be so myopic.
Preach it Yawdman.. What if... Just imagine.. what IF Samsung released a blackberry like Samsung B-Series..??? get people and the youth accustomed to it and... :)
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Speaking about devices. Think clearly. And i'd be very surprised if you come to conclude that majority... absolute majority of a mass users buy devices because it's on a) iOS b) Android c) Blackberry (qnx) d) Windows? Answer: I believe majority blackberry users - YES. Then take a step forward: they buy it because it's a) iPhone b) Samsung, HTC etc. c) Nokia (as windows - in the past). Answer - YES. And i'd be very dissappointed if this forum thinks that majority of a mass user cares about android or ios. Especially if we talk about budget end handsets. Then number three for you: all those users care about are a) facebook b) instagram c) you-name-it app etc. etc. Get sober for once, people!
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Fuck Android! Sorry, but if I wanted to own one of those Retardroid powered devices, I wouldn't have bothered to purchase the BlackBerry Leap...and stuck with the company for the past four years.
I cannot stand the Retardroid OS It is poorly designed, crummy user experience, shitty and terrible "messaging centre". The operating system feels soo cluttered, busy and literally makes no sense. However designs this turd must have been going through a crystal meth withdrawal...
Let's be honest, the only reason Retardroid is still around is because of the fact that Google's and Samsung's financial and manufacturing muscles are behind it. And the fact that the OS comes with such a massive ecosystem built around it.
Otherwise, there is no comparison with BlackBerry 10 in any way shape or form.
Cartman says: Screw you guys I'm going home!
+1
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What the.........
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Love the way he answers the questions where he doesn't want to give a concrete answer. At the time he of answering it sounds satisfying yet when you think about it afterwards, you would realise that the question was not actually answered... what a master!
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I don't understand all the hating on John Chen. Everyone forgets the state the company was in when he took it over. The damage done over the course of the prior six months under his predecessor could truly have sunk the brand for good. As regards to handsets, it may well have done. Doesn't anyone remember the mismanagement of expectations in the lead up to the Q1 2014 earnings report, or the disasterous attempt to put the company up for sale? What about the massive inventory writedowns?
BlackBerry was always going to face a revenue crunch as the BBOS was superseded and SAF revenue began to decline. Heins' strategy was to turn the company into a pure handset manufacturer selling into the consumer market and replacing the SAF revenue with revenue from handset sales. How's that strategy working out for HTC, Motorola, and Nokia?
Since Heins blew up BlackBerry's brand reputation in the consumer market, Chen really had little choice but to replace the high-margin SAF revenue with high-margin software revenue from enterprise customers who hadn't yet jumped ship. I'm confident that his software-first strategy is working. Of course it was always going to "look" dicey as SAF revenue declines and there was always the possibility that the growth in software revenue wouldn't be quick enough to overcome the shrinkage in revenue, but I think the latest earnings report suggests that they're past that now.
If Chen is giving up on handsets, then how do you explain the new relationships with T-mobile and other carriers, the two newly announced deals with handset manufacturers, and leaks showing coming handsets (Oslo, Venice etc)? BlackBerry needs to keep a tight handle on costs and inventory which seems to be driving their cost saving efforts. If they can make handsets revenue neutral or profitable at 1m a quarter then they'll have an incentive to boost their sales and increase their profits. Chen indicated in the earnings call that BlackBerry needs to spread the word about their handsets, so hopefully we will see an increase in advertising.
As for the reallocation of resources away from "hardware" to "software" those categories are pretty broad and it's far too soon to say whether this is truly a vote of no-confidence in the hardware business. If Chen expects software to grow dramatically then putting these resources under software side of the balance sheet makes sense as it instantly makes hardware "profitable". BlackBerry has a revamped line-up of devices now and so long as they stick to the same general form-factors, then a general scaling back of hardware development is to be expected. And who is to say that these resources won't be employed in developing the BB10 ecosystem, addressing the app-gap etc. all of which can be categorised as software issues as hardware ones?
John Chen has said that the company would achieve sustainable profitability this financial year. With three quarters to go, it's a little early to be calling him a failure.
A write-down on Android BlackBerry is on the way - final nail.
Maybe he's just waiting to see how the rumors are taken...
Could this be the reason why no one did address the rumors?
Secure Android = oxymoron
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Oxymoron
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John Chen and board of directors are there for one thing and one thing only To Make Money fo Investors...that's it...so if it's software and licensing right now then that's the focus what ever makes $$$$$$$$$$...
Sounds like no to me.
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I'm Not
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That's nice,but considering android just for profit would not be nice and leaving the BlackBerry software would be bad, coz we bb fans are here
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They don't care about BlackBerry fans.
Profit? Profit on low cost Android?
No way ;-)
Blackberry should simply focus on upgrading the Passport and the Classic. They keep this line of devices strong - sales will increase - app developers will put effort to improve Blackberry world....
Now, if the guy starts talking about an Android Blackberry... what will app developers do?
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We can't beat them. So we join them.
Put our BlackBerry Security to the test by joining it to one of the "insecure" competing competitors.
I am confident that if BlackBerry would show taking a risk in security by wanting to collaborate with android, BlackBerry is confident as well that they can deliver us security and beauty.
We are nothing but a few Velociraptors who need to realize yes, we are dangerous but are no longer the fastest, most feared phones anymore. We need to let them use our BlackBerry security to make android stronger...which in turn can only make us BlackBerry users and BlackBerry company as well...STRONGER.
Go ahead, put our BlackBerry security to the test.
I am confident in Our BlackBerry. And you all should be too.
Pasaporte Pilipino.
Until the statement Chen made in another ITW regarding current state of Android (OHA or not) integration "'[I found] nothing conclusive yet" and the Value Proposition he described as valid for the next 5 years is not re-invented, I'm sorry, IMHO - and as currently described/rumored- we're either dealing with very futuristic plans or plain fantasy.
Oh, the V.P :
"We deliver the most secure END TO END mobility solutions to connect you to the things and people you need"
well, I think this is pretty clear. explicitly stating that they would build one if they can make it secure enough kinda alludes to the fact that this is something they are working on, or at least looking into. hoping it turns out well.
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Like saying one will make ice that is above room temperature....
Can't believe this guy.
Cheers,
Chris.
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"John Chen not against building an Android device, provided he can make it secure"... they probably meant, "provided he can make it profitable"...
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A few quotes come to mind regarding the state of BB's current state and future in order to survive the smartphone 2.0 world:
"In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals because they succeed in adapting themselves best to their environment."
~ Charles Darwin
"You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend."
~ Bruce Lee
"The measure of intelligence is the ability to change."
~ Albert Einstein
Now here are some thoughts on BlackBerry and the android speculation.
Chen's goal is that of any CEO:
1) making the company profitable for the stake holders.
2) making the company profitable for his own interests (think bonus and reputation) .
BB10 is amazing but the issues rely with the perception in the public eye:
1) no apps (we no this isn't true)
2) poor selection of apps
3) poor social media apps (no side loading)
3) lack of developers
4) poor Internet browsing experience (BB10 fixed that but legacy OS's were horrible)
5) poor camera... tied in to point 3 (think Instagram and no side loading) as a camera
6) Cell providers are not pushing BlackBerry phones anymore so consumers (corporate and non corporate) have no interest because they forgot that the brand even exists, or were let down in the past with broken promises by BlackBerry (think "the iPhone killer", the torch).
These are just my thoughts, something that many other people have pointed out already and not new ideas.
I still see value in the brand and the technology, hence me switching from an iPhone 5s to my new z30. Let's see where things go come Christmas, who knows, we may all be drinking the Android kool-aid come next year.
Adapt or die.
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Good information, GoodInfo...
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Hey you forgot to include quotes from all these luminaries...and what it means for BlackBerry to ever have anything to do with Retardroid:
Paris Hilton talking to the press about Wal-Mart - "Do they like make walls there?"
"I spoke to a girl today who had cancer and we were talking about how this is such a hard thing for her, but it taught her a big lesson on who her friends are and so much about life. She's 18. And I was like, that's how I feel." – Kim Kardashian
“My philosophy is, if you’re a man at night, you gotta be a man in the morning.” – Ryan Lochte
Cartman says: Screw you guys I'm going home!
Before some of you step off of that ledge, remember, someone loves you.
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A bunch of Negative Nancies and Debbie Downers. Nothing has been finalized and nothing is set-in-stone. Yet, everyone is ranting on BB's downfall. Most of the arguments consist of BlackBerry making money, so when he does moves to make said money, why is it such an issue? If BlackBerry goes Android or not, there is ALWAYS some secondary phone you have or have always wanted to try, if BB10 goes, that'll be the chance. Blackberry inked a deal with Cisco as far as their patents being used, one can presume that some of those funds could be used towards bettering current devices, releasing new devices, etc. Just wait and see how things play out. If a lot of you are this emotional over a phone manufacturer, I can only imagine how frantic things get in some of your home lives. Before you step foot off of that ledge, remember, someone loves you!
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Good luck bud!!!
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I wonder how many businesses are still using legacy devices and will upgrade to devices with BB10? That should further increase device sales. Plus the PP is still selling well. I am positive and hope now with better carrier relations in the US sales will improve. I am not holding my breath re the android device. Time will tell soon enough and in the meantime iam enjoying my Passport.
Someone needs to work on carrier relations here in NZ though and get BlackBerry devices back into stores! It's a droid and iphone jungle here!
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If this happens I swear I'll switch to the samsung note
I think Android has too far of a lead over the other mobile OSs, with BB10 and Windows 8.1 mobile trailing dismally. Lollipop is quite refined and has become to me very seductive in day to day use.
So like it or not all that BlackBerry design and OS expertise will live on in future iOT devices. BB10 makes much more intuitive sense than iOS or Android, that trust me, will not adapt well to devices that need simpler interfaces. Win for BB.
So lets get real and say the future is Android and with Knox like hardware fuses and other hard crypted system components, security is achievable. I can say that privacy is already superior on Android, as can be demonstrated with ROMs such as Cyanogen.
And security? Blackberry doesn't even offer 2 level authentication for the Blackberry ID. How can I take BlackBerry seriously when even my Evernote account offers 2 step authentication?
Any why is nobody questioning these appalling shortcomings?
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Actually, the definition of insanity is as follows:
in·san·i·ty
inˈsanədē/
noun
the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
"he suffered from bouts of insanity"
synonyms: mental illness, madness, dementia; More
extreme foolishness or irrationality.
plural noun: insanities
"it might be pure insanity to take this loan"
synonyms: folly, foolishness, madness, idiocy, stupidity, lunacy, silliness; informalcraziness
"it would be insanity to take this loan"
Just sayin'... BlackBerry is none of that. BlackBerry 10 is not an example of doing the same thing repeatedly with different expectations, it's simply a new platform they built. In fact, it's completely different than what they were doing, meaning they've changed and changed a lot.
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I think this answer does not mean BB will make android phone soon. Instead he says indirectly android is very unsecure.
Maybe he likes Japanese talking style. "Datemae"
Going to Android from BlackBerry 10 is like trading in your 2016 Cadillac Escalade for a 1985 Ford Pinto. It's like going back in time and a huge downgrade all at once.
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+1
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Chen will take that risk. He stated 10 million BlackBerry phones needed to be sold annually to make a profit. 1.1 million devices were sold in the first quarter; no way they sell 10 million in a fiscal year. All those phones had the Android run-time and it still did not make a difference. It's simple math. Android phones have the fastest adoption rate in the world; Especially in emerging markets. BB phones are not gaining traction as is. Why not diversify your portfolio? Insanity is doing the same thing over & over again but expecting a different result. BlackBerry would be insane NOT to make an Android phone & bring it to market. Even if it means ripping out the Android run-time currently bundled with the BB10 OS. It just makes good business sense. At the end of the day it's about making money and BlackBerry phones are currently LOSING money! BB10 is not EVER going away; Android is just being added to the fold.
I'm an attorney. Just yesterday I was in the clerk's office. I took out my BlackBerry to schedule a date, and three of the clerks made comments like, "That's a BlackBerry?" "I didn't think they were still making those." "Does it still have Brick Breaker?"
I don't think we have to worry about a BlackBerry made Android causing any harm to BlackBerry phones. If the past is any indicator, no one will ever know that BlackBerry made the phone.
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Lol.
The saddest part of the story is when you had to tell him that it didn't come with BrickBreaker...
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What phone? :)
Passport? Classic? Z? ...
• Pastaporto aglio e olio... Mmmhhh! •
Now smell of the Blackberry Android phone coming up
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I sure would like to see a video of Crackberry interviewing Chairman Chen
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Ok. Android is near end of life. Google is to discontinue it.
The first time Android was to be bought was year 2000. It was called Danger at that time. RIM assigned two engineers to evaluate. The conclusion was it wasn't a thing to compete against RIM. RIM then forgot about it. Then Dangers went Microsoft, then Google.
It is a 15 year old OS.
Ironically 18 years later the CEO of BlackBerry says he may consider Android.
JC, dig your corporate Journal or email server, search emails during year 2000 see how RIM denied Android 15 years ago.
Android is near end of life.
I
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You either die a hero or live long enough to watch yourself become a villain.
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Until there is some type of marketing being done by either BB or a carrier no one can expect large sales figures. A BB android would have to have something that causes it to stand out from the other android label phones. Each year Chinese companies are providing a better android product that with time will capture a larger percentage of the non-Western world countries. So a BB android would have to have something special or it will be just another droid phone in the mix. You go in to an AT&T store and no one is "pushing" the classic or the Passport phone. It is just another phone on their shelf for those not seeking an Iphone or an Samsung phone.
I hear you but I think Chen is taking the right approach. BlackBerry doesn't have the wallet to spend on marketing campaigns. The reality is that Apple & all The DROIDS pay carriers a ton to push their product & BB simply can't compete with that. What I think Chen will do is release this Slider exclusively to T-Mobile and Legere will promote the heck out of it. Today Chen said that he made an exclusive agreement with T-Mobile. My 2 cents.
Either way it's just a comment from a question ... let's move on with BB10 strategy ... maybe we'll have QNX Hyper-Visor inside 10.4 where Android fork runs completely separately.
That's means NO
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where is Umi! ?
He sounds as though he kind of wants to build an Android phone, but hasn't quite figured out how to bring it up to the desired level of security to meet Blackberry standards. This may translate as no
Androids for now...
Give the guy a break. He's turning BlackBerry around and it's a process that takes time. He clearly realises that everyone is waiting for a great new device and he knows the stakes are high.
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Could see BB losing 3% everyday this week.Oh well !
Lol jojo
He needs a speech writer: "We only build secure phones and BlackBerry is the most secure phone so, if I can find a way to secure the Android phone, I will also build that." Huh?
I understood him perfectly.
Why doesn't everyone complaining go out and buy a new Passport or Classic? Buy one for your friends while you are at it. If you want BlackBerry 10 to survive the simple answer is buy their products.
Businesses are in business to make money.
The phones they make are great, I haven't experienced any problems due to manufacturing or OS. Part of the problem. I still have two working Z10s in my box of used electronics. I upgraded with BlackBerry. But if you want your money's worth you can get it with the phones. Heck, my one friend still rocks an old Bold he said he will gladly update when his phone dies. But unless I go throw it in a pool I don't see him getting a new phone anytime soon.
As a shareholder I still have plenty of faith in John Chen. So from someone who actually put their money where their mouth is I am bullish long-term but unless we the consumer go out and purchase the phones there is no point in arguments.
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Well said!!!
As long as blackberry is making phones... I will be purchasing them. All hail Blackberry...
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Whiy is this chen guy never a clear yes or no?
His answer makes things only more complicated
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It's called NDA. He signed none disclosure agreements with clients so he has to be vague.
Please never ever develop a BlackBerry with Android.
I talked to many of my BlackBerry user friends. They are pretty against this step.
This is a humble request and opinion for you Mr. John S. Chen.
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Chen is going to do what makes the company money. As he should. BB10 is never going away, Android is just being added to the portfolio.
I totally agree with your comment. BlackBerry needs to make money period. Liking it or not, if you want to keep having a BB10, either start buying BlackBerry in bulk or let Chen do his job.
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Want one thing and if it becomes true then bb10 is the best os in the world no doubt
I mean bb10 with add runtime 5.1 of higher and Google services. Done.
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Android runtime or higher...
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Not gonna happen. It takes too much time and resources to do that. Much easier to release an Android phone which I think they will. I see two sliders being released; one running BB10 & the other running Android.
Am not against the android idea...but it should be unique experience to like any other android..i mean look at Samsung and guess why it is n.1 in android manufacturers
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I agree. My guess is that their Android slider will come with the BlackBerry virtual keyboard & BBM baked in right out of the box. Speed, stability & security is a given & finally that camera needs to be hella good! I can't see what else they would add for "free" though.
Errr, Samsung sells plenty of phones with BBM baked in right out of the box. That's hardly going to differentiate BlackBerry android handsets.
why do I buy an android BlackBerry....why not a Samsung then?.....what could the BlackBerry phone possibly have that the Samsung phone won't have....
Z30 all day baby
Because BlackBerry makes better phones.
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The doom and gloom folks Chen said if he could secure that device he would build it. Until they announce one I don't think we need to worry about BlackBerry building one anytime soon. I'm waiting for the slider and or hybrid device.
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I think we'll see a dual release with two different Operating systems. One slider will be running BB10 and another identical slider running Android. Chen realizes that BB has to diversify to make money in the handset business. 1.1 million in device sales per quarter falls well short of his 10 million per year goal. For better or for worse, Android is the ticket to pump up those numbers and I'm positive they have figured out how to secure it.
I like BB10 the way it is..able to use Android inside BB10..The only thing I could change is letting us pick what the Android apps have access to. Some apps don't need to know my location for example. Google Services would be nice, but I find the first one a must have over Google Services.
I can delete or edit my last post. I read it wrong cnbc not msnbc. My bad :(
[b]It's a BlackBerry Z30 on Big Red[/b] and still on 10.2.1
"Never say never" is not the same as "for sure" or "never". So, take it for what it is: not ruling it out FOREVER. If you want to interpret that as hedging or whatever fine, but if there's one thing I get about Chen is that he's not so... tight lipped, or "under control" as some CEOs (or possibly as much as BlackBerry PR team would like).
I'm with Blackberry ,let Mr. Chen do his job. His task is to grow Blackberry whether it's extending its influence to android or entering other markets using QNX .Remember ,its a step by step process. To come back from such a massive loss as they have gone through in the market, will require careful and slow execution. His lips are sealed for a reason, stealth is needed.
Security, stability and reliability will be really big to consumers really soon . The price for all of the free storage and services will only hit home when people get their private data exposed or ransomed .
We all hate crank calls from advertisers ,well that and more are on their way to that "Computer in your Hand" called the Mobile phone.
Don't worry about Blackberry making phones , they will test the markets they are developing their software for ,and build devices to suite . Both will go hand in hand.
This is going to be interesting............
No one in this country watches MSNBC. I bet MSNBC doesn't get more then 300,000 viewers at one giving time except for there prison shows in the evenings.
It's funny how the rest of the world thinks CNN and MSNBC are the giants in news but here is one shot of truth for your morning coffee. Foxnews has more viewers at any given time then all other news stations combined. That is a fact!
We got over 300 million people here in the USA and about 300 thousand seen Chen lol.
[b]It's a BlackBerry Z30 on Big Red[/b] and still on 10.2.1
Foxnews.... isn't that an oxymoron?
I wish Fox News viewers "seen" their English teachers more often.
I think this slider will be a 100% Android device. I think T-Mobile will have exclusive access to it (or for at least 90 days). I think Legere has an agreement in place with Chen to promote the heck out of it for that time frame. Depending on sales, BB will decide if other carriers get it or just sell it unlocked through Amazon & their own website. Having said all that, I still wish the company were still named RIM; that way they could have avoided calling an Android device a BlackBerry....
BTW: This exact same device will also be released with BB10. There, now everybody's happy :)
Most of you people are a bunch of idiots BlackBerry already runs android in the back ground if anything they would flip and run BlackBerry os in the background to secure the phone and who cares if the make a android phone anyways anyone who knows about phones knows BlackBerry runs better then any of them and is built to last.... drop a BlackBerry on the ground pick it up works the same drop crapple or samsung screen is smashed BlackBerry always been all around better product people just don't switch back because they would have to relearn how to use the phone. Microsoft phone is doing much worse in the market then BlackBerry how about talking about them not someone who supports canada. Media is always over BlackBerry cause they don't no shit from putty some with a lot of comments here just pure idiots...
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@rjclue...It takes one to know one ,sorry ! But ,lol
Blackberry does not run on Android in the background. It runs on QNX, which is a minimalist real time Unix which has been around since the 80's, well before Google bought Android in '05. Also Android is Linux based (which is not an RTOS by default). If you ever spent any time looking at kernel code, you'd know the difference. Further, Androids frameworks are most written in Javas, and execute at a bytecode level, while BBOS frameworks are all C/C++, and execute at a binary level, which is why they are generally a lot snappier. This is why Android apps run like dogs on BBOS, because BBOS has to fire up the bytecode interpreter.
Normally I don't take the time to nitpick, but you got to me troll.
Androids not being a RTOS is a benefit not a fault.
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I would think yes. I remember wondering why they wanted an RTOS when they bought QNX. I figure they likely only give RT priority to a small handfully of OS processes, then then everything else is on a different scheduling algorithm. But I don't know enough about QNX to really know.
I am on the fence regarding this matter. I will stay with BlackBerry.
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No such thing as a secure android.
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Only so much spin they can do, and stay within the bounds of Android... As Android stands there would be a lot of the BBOS feel that would be impossible to implement within Android.
I guess they could go the Samsung route; fork the OS, then heavily customize the it to work more like BBOS, then at the BBOS UX (hub, notifications, etc) on to that.
The problem is the age old Android conundrum. If you fork you get left behind. When the new version of Android rolls out, you have to pull the new version, and then merge your optimizations back in, which of course takes a lot of time, plus a few rounds of testing etc. And before you know it you are months behind the Nexus devices.
Kevin is right (see his above comments), Chen has to make money for his shareholders, and keep BB alive. And the best route to doing that may well be overlooking the Crackberry user base.
Who wants to buy a samsung?
600 million Samsung Galaxy phones exposed to hackers
http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/17/technology/samsung-galaxy-hack/
Apparently 600 million people.
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Please please don't involve BlackBerry 10 with all this android bs please don't.
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Wizant wins for best comment of this thread. I too LOL'ed pretty good.
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You cannot make Android secure John. Catch yourself on and get back to work.
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Ever heard of https://home.silentcircle.com/ ?
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Not really impressed. It's just another enigma/ecrypted voip solution. It does not secure the phone, only the communication. The developer of PGP is on board. How many people use PGP or S/MIME when they email? I do when I want my emails private, but not many recipients have S/MIME set up to use it by default.
Basically, it's an voip and messaging app. Unless the other end uses it, you can't either.
This isn't a surprise nor is it newsworthy. Ask any CEO "would you do _______" if you could make money at it. I'm sure 100% of them would say "Of course we would. As long as it doesn't compromise our company standards." CEO's are in charge of making money.
Tools not Toys my CrackBerry brothers!
Yup, exactly. A hypothetical response to a hypothetical question.
IF John Chen can absolutely secure an Android phone as if it were like a BlackBerry but, for sure...i can see the heard rolling over to BLACKBERRY COUNTRY!...."GOOD LUCK" John Chen!
A secure Android phone...Sure! You just won't be able to download any of their apps.
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Exactly!
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The forum is full of posts on getting android ports and apps and patching, and, and, and,.... I think it is clear that there are a lot people who do want android run BlackBerry... and they should give it a shot... using Android, will put BlackBerry in a place where they may have to compromise with their own OS/patents to "Google".
Personally would not mind having BlackBerry with android, provided it has the swipe to minimise and the hub.
Z30 / STA100-2 / OS 10.3.1.2582
Samsung's new whatever? has sort of a Hub on the edge, you don't even have to swipe,lol
Wrong conclusion
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That would kill crapple
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I tuned in to the last 5 minutes or so of the ER Webcast and wasn't impressed at all,He wasn't prepared for a revenue Question and the whole team looked for an answer and were stumpded,The Shareholders meeting was a laugh,maybe he needs a vacation,I don't know but he's slowing down,Red Bull for you Mr.Chen?
Rumors say that RED BULL wants to buy BlackBerry...
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People buy BlackBerry because it is BlackBerry and would migrate to other platform if they want, regardless of security.
Posted Via CA Governor's BlackBerry Passport.
If Mr. Chen made a similar statement in any other interview, you could sure see how the rumors started. To me is politely saying Android is not secure. Maybe that is just what I want to hear. Perhaps to other ears, he said he would love to build an Android phone. He clearly does not want to offend Google. Who knows what conversations about apps or possible collaborations are actually taking place? I happen to think if anyone can turn this ship around it is Master Chen.
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Very nice interesting and diplomas point of view. Like your style.
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Of course that should have been diplomatic.
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Yeah, I thought his words were pretty clever. In one breath he keeps his options open (avoids committing to anything), at the same time getting a dig in on Android security (promiting BB's focus on security).
Wow, another intelligent comment on this thread. I think JC's comments were pretty straightforward. The trolls are working hard to twist his words and to avoid reading anything of substance.
Very likely...because Google does not want it to be secure.
Ram his Android right up his iOS
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This made me laugh more than it should have lol.
I hate Android. I'd never buy one, even if it looked like BlackBerry 10.
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I mean delusion
No atter... what will come is "dissolution" for sure... the Chinese & Koreans will buy the discounted parts...
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I mean "matter" LOL
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Red Bull will buy BlackBerry.
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Yeah, they need a new Formula1 deal, haha... :-)
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People with dilution here, BlackBerry phone sales near below 1 million. What are you thinking? Software? Then you don't really know BlackBerry.
Software is BlackBerry weakness. Chen think software is his strength.
You ase so right! Chen is chopping down the maple tree...
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Then he will burn the tree and dance around it singing:"ashes to ashes dust to dust..."
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Then let the Phoenix rise... :-)
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BlackBerry cannot rely on security. Must expand to consumers. The next news will be US president ditch BlackBerry. They have been working for this more than 10 years. It will happen soon, the entire US gov will switch to US OS. The is a competition BlackBerry cannot win.
Security is the core competence of BlackBerry.
BlackBerry is sooooo innovative. But they are not capable to show use cases that people will need and like!
They are building services and hardware that business people need.
But they have to learn how to build them in a way business people LIKE them.
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They already did. Look at the Q1 results and look under software revenue.
He said if he can make android secure he would build one and every idiot with an opinion says he doesn't care about BlackBerry, he's a government plant and so forth. You people are ridiculous. Every time news from BlackBerry comes out everyone jumps on these posts to talk sh*t about Chen. The company is starting to make a profit, the phones have been selling out, he's trying new innovative designs and bringing back classic BlackBerry designs to entice older users, they just made a deal with cisco, they just acquired another security company, most android phones are using qnx and snapdragon chips, but he is somehow the worst BlackBerry ceo ever and doesn't care about the company. I think you people need to read more and judge less. That's my opinion of your opinions.
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Profit? From whence cometh that gem?
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Positive cash flow is what I meant to write.
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Those designs were there before JC you know?
Doesn't mean he needed to release them, if he was truly trying to end the company why would he bother releasing these phones, if he wasn't trying to better the company he wouldn't have. And why bother updating an os if you just plan to kill it off?
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He is trying to make the company better, no doubt, the problem is that he is losing track for real, as I said in another comment, the problem is not the OS, when you compare Android with BB10 it is astonishing how good and fluid BB10 is, but when the CEO of the company is not sure about the OS future, why everybody should?
Agree with a lot of what you said but:
No Andriod phones use QNX. Many smart devices such as car systems and medical devices use QNX. It's a Blackberry owned operating system.
Those phone sales numbers look quite bad. Personally I question if the strategy of having only high-end keyboard phones is working. As beautiful as I think the Passport is, I would never buy one because I can type so much faster swiping away with my Z10, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
JC is securing the company to be profitable in a possible future where they cannot successfully sell phones, but at the same time is trying what he can to get the hardware right. This is the right approach, because lets face it, if Blackberry was dependent on phone sales as pre-Chen Blackberry was, there would be very little hope of them surviving.
I went from a z10 to a Passport and I can type much better now. After almost two years with the z10, I was not as accurate as I was within a week with the passport.
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I would love to carry a Passport for a month. Perhaps with experience I could get the typing up, but this old phone keeps on blowing me away with how good the swipe prediction is. Much of the time the next word I want to type is available as a swipe option without me even having to type the first letter. Whole sentences come out almost as if the phone is reading my mind with just one thumb. I can't imagine physical typing being quicker than that. I can certainly imagine that the tactile feedback makes you less likely to make mistakes and actually makes it possible to use without looking, but it's hard for me to imagine a speed advantage.
P.S. I turn off auto-correction because it usually changes something I wanted to something wrong. Before I figured that out there was a lot more going back and fixing.
I came from Z10 to Z30 (better typing then on z10) and than to the passport. Would never go back.. passport has everything typing on z10 and Z30 has plus much more. The enhanced touch keyboard allows much better typing and does not obscure the screen.
For the rest, I agree. Chen is a cost saving guy but not a creative or visionary guy. BlackBerry 's best phones were not his ideas.
Supercilious behavior, secretive demeanor, big money losses, daunting competitors, in the US he would have been out the door already...
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JC your last chance:
1. Strongly state BlackBerry 10 is the best mobile OS and is going to stay.
2. Find HTML5 hybrid app experts or buy a startup to close the app gap.
Simple, but need flawless execution. But if your are hired to destroy BlackBerry then you will be kicked out before you can kill BlackBerry.
Too little, too late, it would appear... the market slide will rule...
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He already said that. The conjecture is all you.
They will probably just get the phones and put a Blackberry sticker on them
Better put even Huawei, they have better brand recognition than BB.
He said : if i can make it secure, it would ALSO make a android device....
So that makes that he would sell BlackBerry 10 devices and android powered BlackBerry devices.
The more options the better?
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Maybe an Android version of BlackBerry would draw in some ex-BlackBerry users. I don't think it's a bad idea to explore the possibility.
Living the life, posting via BB Z30
Could it be possible they release the same device for both BB10 and Android? :O
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OS choice... not likely since bbOS security is inbuilt in the CPU...
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Can you explain that please? How can BlackBerry secure the CPU. They do NOT design the CPU. Qualcomm does.
The answer is the realtime QNX Hypervisor.
Only if BB10 is still allowed to have the Android Runtime, otherwise dump official Android.
That's a cool name.
Hypervisor is a generic term.
Thank for posting one of the few intelligent comments on this thread. The QNX hypervisor idea is actually quite interesting and something I suspect is in the works. Stock Android is too problematic.
See this device...called blackphone...
https://home.silentcircle.com/
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Blackphone is rooted and hacked at pretty much every hacker conference. It's a joke.
Check Blackphone's website. They want you to be able to root and customize... it's Android after all, haha!
Not sure whether
:-)
:-D
or
:-(
....
;-p
(it could be just an excuse, because you might not be able to root-proof Android at all, or they really mean what they say...)
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Make it secure and earn a profit more likely will mean Blackberry switching over.
Loving my Passport!
Doesn't BlackBerry on Android kill QNX. Are people here thinking?
No, any OS can run on top of QNX. The pro let is Android OS old and pretty much obsolete in terms of expandability. It has none, same with iOS.
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I would like to believe you as BlackBerry ran out of expansion after nearly a decade on their legacy OS. I would love to hear the proof that ios and Android are now at the same breaking point...or maybe there is a white paper that I could read?
Don't get me wrong I choose BlackBerry 10 because I value efficiency, and security. I can use some android apps if I get stuck and want things that other platforms have. However, the other two platforms are still in their glory days. Selling like hot cakes. On the other hand I really hope you are right because it would mean that BlackBerry 10 has one of the newest platforms which should last longer than the current ios and Android platforms.
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The problem is JC failed to rally good people. BlackBerry's old problems still exist. Time to change CEO once again - this time with result based compensation. Do not need an expensive. Maybe get Mike or even Jim back. Any previous CEO is better than JC. Android BlackBerry, you idiot.
Hmmm, your desperation seems to be setting in. Like I said before, maybe you should read the Q1 report. JC comments are simple enough to understand but then again maybe English is your second language.
Strategy is in motion, a focused CEO executing the plan.
Changing CEO at this point would be an even worse move than when BlackBerry was put up for sale while trying to sell a newly released Z10 in the environment that existed. And that was exhibit 1 in What not to do in business 101 .
Don Diego endorses the Zed.
Well, why don't we let the company do what they do best and we will judge the end result. With QNX, they capable do a lot of thing securely. If BlackBerry decided to go with Android with a few models, they will find way to secure the phone.
He sounds like a desperate CEO, after every fiscal quarter he is implying to change the path, and he is not showing results, maybe it is time to give up about BB handsets.
If he wasn't desperate, he'd have his head up his *ss. If he wasn't scrambling to keep BB alive he wouldn't be doing his job. I am not sure he is a visionary, but he does appear to be fighter.
He's basically tried giving up BB handsets. He's hollowed out the device division and lost, fired, or transferred pretty much all the talent that was publicly responsible for BB10. But, devices are around 40% of his revenue. He'd be in serious trouble if he didn't sell at least a million a quarter, but he should be selling ten million a quarter. He's not profitable, but he'd be very profitable with 10 million.
His software sales aren't impressive. And, the MDM play can be crushed by competitors without decent device sales. Basically, BlackBerry isn't the problem, Chen is.
Chen can't "give up" on handsets or even sell the division because BB10 & BBOS is still utilized by a lot of government agencies. The political pressure is far too great.
Taylor Swift seems to have Apple around her little finger get her to suggest they save BlackBerry and just buy them, haha
Sent from my BlackBerry Passport
Apple?
iPhone eat this!
https://youtu.be/DbVHe5A6rJs
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@Adam...funny It was the clone that captured the bullet,but they had a grand idea!l
They should repeat it with android phones.
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Making an android phone will result a big write-down and surely kill BlackBerry 10 OS, BES, and BlackBerry all together. Stupid.
BlackBerry do not have much security knowhow or assets. The fact BlackBerry phones are secure is because of the integrated BlackBerry system from phone to backend. Breaking the chain BlackBerry worth 0.
I guess you have never heard of rooting a device. BTW, aren't you the Angela Merkel's former CIO. How's the unemployment line these days.
From what he said, all I can say is that BlackBerry will only make an android device if they can make their own, as in, in their own standards. So I expect such a device to be completely different from the android we know
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Your avatar looks sooooo sweeeet.
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Thanks again.
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Fine the first time around, a little creepy the second?
Why even a first time? it's just Shrek lol
I do think he is hired by US intelligence to destroy BlackBerry. The post above is right.
It is not too late to get rid of him. BlackBerry 10 is much mature now. Get a competent Canadian business BlackBerry can be saved and return to glory.
You left your tinfoil hat at my house last night. Seems like you have plenty of extras so I will just dispose of it.
I love how people around here think that BlackBerry has some kind of proprietary security dust that they can sprinkle on whatever products they decide to do. The most insecure software is the kind that is hastily put together by a company that is under pressure and has no specific expertise in a particular platform. If he has tasked a team to look at Android and put together something that is secure and get it out by the end of this year then that is pretty ridiculous.
Build it,Buy it yourself.Sticking to blackberry OS
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Did you guys realized JC is surviving by sell one time BlackBerry assets. You can only sell so much.
Without BlackBerry phone sales BlackBerry will be dead for sure. Forget about software. Software is BlackBerry's weakness. JC did software before, no hardware experience. If someone sees all problems nails because he has a hammer, he will fail.
LOL
Software is a good thing. That will help ease SAF decline. But hardware is the front line, that is what people look at.
John Chen's issue is ignoring the consumer market and gutting the hardware division. Either License out BB10 or put some marketing efforts into BB10 devices. Show them off properly and many will come. The more BB10 phones sell the faster Software grows.
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^ These "assets" mobilesync is talking about are helping to buffer the decline SAF/BIS fees until the subscription revenue streams are kicking in...
Why shouldn't he do that? It's not to mask it in any way, that's not the main purpose as some might expect. The main purpose is keeping BlackBerry afloat and securing the company's long-term survival...
:-D
Building partnerships and (re-)building sales channels for software and devices takes time. It's all happening!
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Have you been living in a cave the last 5 years? Time to update yourself.
Are you related to Birdman_38?
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Same perspective, it seems... haha! :-D
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You can't make Android secure.
Time either Chen goes or anyone concerned with security dumps BlackBerry.
Keep an eye on BlackBerry share prices now this is out the bag.
My prediction is 2 USD by the end of the year. By end of Q1 2016, the burning ashes of BlackBerry will be sold off to Cisco and Huawei for peanuts and Chen will get a golden handshake from the NSA for several hundred million for destroying the last secure means of communication available to the masses.
Told you this would happen!
Cheers,
Chris.
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I don't think so. Obama still has a BlackBerry.
So does Cameron. So does Merkel.
So do I.
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He said "IF HE COULD" Nice out of context bs you just made.
Hehe....thats good.
:-)
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It happened to Nortel. Same scenario, same secure comms for US government. Similar US CEO killed Nortel. Can happen to BlackBerry
on BB10 many 3rd party apps can access both your files and the internet, you can't block the latter anymore without switching the radio off. Most work related tasks require 3rd party apps, so for most people BB10 is not secure.
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The more he talks Android the less BlackBerry phone sale and BES sale. It is now obvious he just wants to survive for a year or two and get his big bucks. No one really cares about BlackBerry now, not even Mike L. BlackBerry is over. The worse thing is that the ex BlackBerry people now go into other Canadian orgs and to kill those orgs down. Man, Canada is in trouble.
Can we get at least a Canadian to run BlackBerry.
Lol
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Worst things are comments like that.
For BlackBerry and Canada.
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Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Atleast we know where you pull your ideas from.
Agreed on the point regarding Chen's pattern of making careless statements that suppress current device sales.
I don't know about this
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Mobilesync. Why? Is JC the worst CEO Because he is turning Blackberry around, and making money, or because he MIGHT make a Android phone?
He's not making money. The quarterly earnings report showed that once, again, BlackBerry is *not* profitable.
... by a minuscule margin.
Yeah, a bit of optimism and glass-half-full wouldn't hurt, hey? :D
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He is directionless.
No...he's about making money and saving BlackBerry by any means necessary!!!
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Well, the quarterly earnings report showed that BlackBerry still isn't profitable. So, if he's about making money, he's pretty damn weak at what he's about. Even worse, he bought his "good" software stats at the price of holllowing out the device division. There was a way to save BlackBerry and it involved control by Mike L and Qualcomm. Instead, we have Chen who has rapidly reduced BlackBerry to irrelevance.
Don't look in the mirror
Fuhgetaboutit, will ya, Chen?
Expect BlackBerry layoff 3000 and cut workforce to below 2000.
Your Clueless, How about reading the Q1 report first.
Lol
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Lol to your avatar and handle.
;)
Assuming they can stay true to BlackBerry's principles -- security, efficiency, -- I think it would be good if they did it.
Look, I get the survey results here showed that more CrackBerry readers think it's a bad idea vs. a good one. But you need to put it into context - there are more EX-BlackBerry users in the world than there are current BlackBerry users, and there are even MORE people in the world who have never touched a BlackBerry phone before but have used Android phones.
Bottom line is BlackBerry could make a kick a$$ Android phone... keyboard versions and touch only versions. The key is they have to make money doing it. But with their new manufacturing partners, I think they could.
Yes I just wouldn't buy one. Lol. Maybe
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If they could rope back in the people who left the ecosystem, they probably don't care emotional holdouts.
Me either.
Who, with an average functional brain on this Gooooooooooogle planet would give a shit about yet another analdroid crap device from BlackBerry ?
Secure?
Securing the channel between analdroidable naive users and their favorite dataminers, isn't exactly what bb10 was designed for...
QNX is the KING of RTOS: a masterpiece of software engineering with a mind-blowing architecture designed 30 years ago from the ground up with security, performance and scalability in mind.
QNX stands for Quantum Unix and that speaks for itself (but don't let Gooooooooooogle know... they're still trying...sssh).
Well, Bb10 runs on top of QNX.
This DNA has nothing to mess around with tentative crapy Os like android, sorry guys !
I'm of course not talking marketing bullshit here, I'm talking about mankind milestone achievments in software engineering and architecture.
Have a look at the kernel internals and stop comparing bb10 which was conceived to win the mobile os war, with whatever else your fucking market asks for to feed better into the bullshit datamining pipes ... in the IoB (Internet of Bullshit) era.
Btw it handles the highest volume traffic nodes of the Internet today...
Who are the geniuses at BlackBerry then that runs the fucking droid drone on top of a military grade secure rtos ? Sick minds! A bunch of Gooooooooooogle crack smokers!
These guys should apply for a job at Gooooooooooogle... JC's wife will support them for sure...
Why is BlackBerry then loosing faith in bb10?
Look around... all other platforms are locking in their users every day more: restricting services and bothering people with advertising. Analdroids are the worst case scenario... they keep screwing their users with "features" that render their devices unfamiliar, unstable, irritating to use ... and people were even starting to drop android and switch to bb10 to get their work done!?
We know how frustrated we felt after upgrading to bb10.3.1... right ?
Bb10 was different ! Bb10 was conceived and designed to be AGNOSTIC.
A word that Chen used for some marketing purposes but I'm not sure he fully understands...
Of course such a jewel of engineering does not require octacore processors to spot decent performance...
QNX neutrino and bb10 would smoke all the competitors if they'll be given the chance to run on one of those...
Why then the infamous deal BlackBerry cooked up with Samsung did not include the option to get Samsung collaborate to make true BB10 METAL devices powered by QNX instead of creapy analdroid datamining gateways? Damn!
This would lead to a serious issue to all competitors in mobile.
This would lead to making true platform AGNOSTIC devices for the sake of Freedom and privacy protection on the Internet V2.0 (btw powered by the only kernel that demonstrated over the years it really can scale to handle that traffic by design: QNX neutrino).
Isn't net neutrality, privacy protection and security all the buzz US government keeps vomiting about every single day ?!
Isn't this the ultimate objective everyone should be dreaming of ?
Well, that's precisely what bb10 was conceived for when QNX and BlackBerry decided to make their outstanding mobile OS. Thanks BlackBerry for having the balls to make bb10 for the few of us!! Bravo !!
Well, BlackBerry now kind of sucks because the hardcore guys that conceived bb10 have been parked in some corner... Please set them free to express themselves as they were used to (c++)
Talk to Nokia !
And if you seriously want to mess with android and Gooooooooooogle then... Please sell QNX to Nokia... Maybe they stop wasting their once brilliant minds with other analdroid experiments.
And we bb10 metal users will be given the chance to hold a True AGNOSTIC near real-time phone device that behaves as a real SMART phone and not as a datamining gateway.
+++Very eloquently articulated.
I can appreciate all of this, even with some of the choice language... Bravo for one of the best rants I've read in some time. I shall respond by way of another rant:
The more I think about it, the more I don't see the point of BlackBerry trying on Android. For one, it really doesn't jive with what they stand for in principle alone. For two, I really don't see how it will earn them more market share. The people who left BlackBerry left for good reason. The only corner of the market that they could possibly reach and make a profit off of are those who switched to Android but miss their keyboard. And for this, they should just license their keyboard out to another manufacturer. NOT the capacitive keyboard that the Passport has and BlackBerry should begin putting, in at least some form, into all of their phones with physical keyboards - they should keep that patent righteous until the bitter end.
It wouldn't be the first time that they have licensed out their keyboards but it would be the best time to do it. How better to make themselves relevant than by allowing direct competition by giving them something to compete with? People may finally stop with the belief that physical keyboards on mobile devices is somehow outdated technology. It isn't. But people like something to hate on. They like to pick on the kid who is 'different.' Until the cool kid starts wearing the same type of shoes as the kid who was different, then a whole new race to figure out which other type of shoes are the coolest begins.
BlackBerry should license out their keyboard to Samsung and let them bring back the popularity of the form on their own. Let them market BlackBerry without even knowing that they are. People associate BlackBerry not only with a brand but a form. Instead of trying to compete with the others, let them try to steal Blackberries thunder. It won't happen. The best phone would win in the end.
If BlackBerry does make an Android phone, it had better have a physical keyboard. But it won't really matter because, either way, it will be a 'BlackBerry trying to be an Android' which is, by far, more pathetic than 'an Android trying to be a BlackBerry'.
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Well done.
... but you should just tell us how you really feel.
;)
Nice write up! Thanks mate.
I also can only thank BBRY for "having the balls" to make bb10 available for the masses (me included).
But it seems to me they have stuck at half way. Stopping developers support, not pushing BB phones sales, not licensing BB10…..and now going to Android?
Quite frankly, I believe BlackBerry is the last OS vendor who doesn't make money on data mining and displaying ads. If BlackBerry implements ads blocking features (and doesn't share user data with third parties/advertisers) it could not only attract hundreds of millions of (new) users but also jeopardize mobile advertising market.
Battle for BB10 is not only battle for a multi-billion dollar mobile market but also battle for the consumer rights. Right not to be data-mined and right not to be a target of tailored ads.
I bet there are really MANY people all around the world who would be willing to pay (subscription fees for BBRY!) to avoid data-mining and displaying (tailored) ads.
Dumping BB10 would be in my opinion not only big slap in the face of those people described above and ultimate victory for mobile advertisers but also big financial loss for BBRY.
Although I can imagine that there is an EXTREME pressure on BBRY regarding BB10, I still believe they "have the balls" to "release the trigger".
+++ I couldn't write it better.
But after seeing this interview with John I think the statement about building a secure Smartphone with Android OS was a diplomatic and ironically hint that BlackBerry will not really build Phones with Android for the regular Enterprise Market (and for us private customers, too).
Yes, they are developing a special version of a secure Smartphone with Android named Boeing Black together with Boeing. But that is not the usual business, that's more like a consultant job for a very big customer. Boeing has asked BlackBerry for help and this device works as their mobile part of their BES12 platforms licence.
Maybe some romours came from such press releases plus too much fantasy and fear of wrong decisions at the executive floor. ;-)
I hope that I understand John's humour correctly otherwise I am writing completely BS here. =:-0
Snoopy in Germany w/ P´9982 + Passport + Z10
^^ This ^^ (applause)
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+1 on that one Kevin.
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Hi Kevin. Where's my Passport?
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Indeed... but sadly, I too would not buy one. I think the Android OS is rather cluttered and not effective for multitasking.
I like BlackBerry because the OS and UI is very productive, efficient and responsive. I'm by far a "fanboy" but I've tried the rest and they have not been able to deliver all I've just mentioned in an OS and I don't believe BlackBerry will be able to achieve this with a Android device.
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Given that Android can be reskinned quite easily (ex. Samsung Touchwiz, and any number of launchers in the app store), I imagine if BB were to do a flavour of Android, they'd put their own "spin" on the look and feel of the OS.
Android can be cluttered, but it's quite customizable. I argue that it's gotten a lot better for multitasking in more recent builds. (And yes, I am a BB10 user.)
I've got an Android 5.0 quad core tablet with 2GB RAM and multitasking still sucks [donkey balls].
That would just be putting lipstick on a pig. Seem my comment below about forking Android.
Opps... I meant to say, "I'm NOT a fanboy" of BlackBerry. I'm not a fanboy of any device.. BlackBerry suites my needs at the moment (and for the past 10 years so I use them).
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