BlackBerry Bold 9780 - First live image!

9700 CAN NOT HAVE webkit 6
256mb not enough memory 512mb NEEDED !
Why is that so hard to understand.

I took a small break from the CB forums because I got kinda tired of all the whining, PMSing, and blind fanboyism. Also, got tired of the "Coming Soon" stories and nothing official while sitting on my upgrade. So, I left, ordered another phone to try out for 30 days and see whatelse was out there. I see from reading these posts that there seems to be alot more people pissed off and disappointed with the direction RIM is going.

I guess RIM forgot to upgrade the processor again. It would be nice to have a BB with better specs (1GHz processor and higher screen resolution). I think people should at least have the option to have a custom BB device built with these specs if RIM wont put them on the BB's they retail to the average consumer. Although I believe these specs should be on all their phones at least it'll give people another option when purchasing a BB device.

...yet another refresh device. You are about to refresh your way right out of the consumer market RIM.

I hope that RIM reads crackberry, and sees what its users want and makes some changes in their upgrade system accordingly. All in all, its about the consumer, and not making the consumer get a new product every 2 months just to stay on par.

Although I will always love blackberry, RIM is moving too slow when it comes to the specs on new devices and keeping up with the latest technology. Every since the Nexus One came out I jumped on the android bandwagon. Now, the Samsung Galaxy Q is coming out as a blackberry killer with a qwerty keyboard, 3-inch Super AMOLED screen (720x480)
* 1 GHz Hummingbird processor
* 8MP camera with LED flash
* 1.3 mp front-facing camera
* QWERTY keyboard
* Android 2.2
* 16GB internal memory (Micro SD expandable to 32GB.
Enough Said!
Fire everyone at RIM who's in charge of new devices and hire new engineers who can give android a run they're money.

I am sorry, but OS 6 just doesn't look right on the non-touchscreen BBs (i.e. nearly all of them). The UI takes up waaaaaaay too much screen real estate.

Hey, my name is RIM and I sell you sh*t, and when the Sh*t gets really bad and people start complaining we toss them a new piece of Sh*t and add a few numbers to it and say its exactly what you've been asking for.

Seriously RIM, you take a bold 9700 (nothing special) and add a bit to it and that's your "Innovative" & "cutting edge" collective geneous? I am a broker by profession, if I would try to sell my clients something that is old, behind the others and then put a price tag on it for something so simple as "OS 6" then I wouldn't be in business very long.

Customers, who support you, and quite a number of us are requesting you bring back the bold size and add ALL the goodies, not just 2 or 3, BUT ALL OF IT.

Big Fail = RIM's new phone

Has RIM come out and OFFICIALLY say that we MUST have a minimum of 512MB??? If they have, I would like to see it... Remember, this OS6 will be available for touchscreen and non touchscreen devices. That means theres goin to be a difference between these OS. The Storm 2 MIGHT need a minimum of 512MB and thats why the "refresh" is comin out. The non touchscreen devices MIGHT need 256MB minimum since it doesn't need the new sliding touches, etc... I believe theres still hope. Im a sit back and wait patiently and hope for the best.

...didn't you buy it because you liked the features that it had at THAT time? As a customer all you should expect is that all the bugs and issues are resolved through maintenance updates. No one buys a phone they don't like in order to get an anticipated update whose release date and backwards compatibility had not been verified, if anyone does that then they are setting themselves up for perpetual disappointment.

Were you guys not happy with the 9700 when you bought it? Are you all of a sudden not happy because there is something newer coming out? The specs were more than adequate for BB OS5 which is all the phone needs to accomplish. The main point is you guys bought the phone because you liked it for what it was at that time, don't bash RIM because it doesn't measure up to FUTURE technological requirements.

With that being said, I don't agree with RIMs strategy and think that phone hardware should be somewhat over engineered as a forward looking strategy which would allow for older devices to be upward compatible for at least one OS update. New phones should have new features that make the new OS a better experience for them without crippling the performance of the older phones.

Anyone can confirm how many Mb OS6 is actually worth?
I don't mind settling with 30Mb+ startup on OS6.
I've gotten bored of running my 9700 without a justified battery pull for a week.
Rim, make it available to us 256Mb guys. We can downgrade anytime we like. Apple did it with the 3G no matter how crap it came out to be, although they didn't allow downgrading which was a big mistake.

Aww it looks nice. I just wish RIM would give it 1GB min device storage or allow apps to save to memory card. So many more apps I want to use but my 9700 may not cater. Bold is my fave berry

I was doin some reading at "http://nexus404.com" and found this article.

"We’re still hoping to see BlackBerry OS 6.0 demoed in all its glory at WES 2010 even if it won’t be available almost immediately to BlackBerry smartphone users. Similarly, iPhone OS 4.0 has already been shown to the world together with its seven tentpole pillars but the OS itself is not going to be available until the iPhone 4G arrives.

RIM’s CEO, Mike Lazaridis talked about BlackBerry 6 today in an analyst call and said it will be available “in the next calendar quarter” which can only be Q3 2010. From what we can gather BlackBerry 6 has been shown on video at said analyst call which means that we might see it too in the following days.

The new OS was confirmed to be arriving to both touchscreen
and non-touchscreen BlackBerry smartphones and while RIM will try to make the new mobile platform available to most BlackBerry handsets out there it’s been hinted that not all of them will get OS 6.0. Lazaridis said that RIM will “do [their] best” but he won’t be able to actually guarantee that every Berry out there will be able to run BlackBerry 6, will he?

Lazaridis also spoke about the new WebKit-based browser which we’re expecting BlackBerry 6 to offer and it looks like the new mobile browser will be somehow integrated with the new OS. That sounds pretty interesting and we definitely want more information on it. On a different note it also means that a new WebKit browser might not be coming to BlackBerry OS 5.0 devices, not that you’d need one since most phones will get BlackBerry 6 later on.

Read: BlackBerry OS 6.0 Release Date Pegged for Q3 2010 [New BlackBerry OS 6.0 Coming in the Third Quarter of 2010 According to RIM’s CEO, Mike Lazaridis] » TFTS – Technology, Gadgets & Curiosities"

Hopefully we still got hope.

Don't know why they wouldn't include wireless N capability, but am I weird for wanting a light surrounding the trackpad, you know like the light surrounds the 8900. Which by the way, hopefully will be much more durable than the trackpad on the 9700 or 8520.

Wow this is a new one, To check out my full review of the Blackberry 9780 go to http://ikejhamb.com

sounds like everyone with a bold 9700 is in the same boats as us 9630 owners 1 yr ago Rim is doing this to the GSM guys (UHHHH-Shame!!! on Rim) How dare they do this to gsm owners us cdma guys had to render thru this bull-**** so should gsm owners Or if you could just sit back and live with what you got and get what comes out after this

I still don't get it... it still looks like the 9700 only with (hopefully) 5mp camera and OS6... if the 9700 can get an upgrade, then it'll be irrelevant to upgrade to this right?

RIM, give us a reason to go crazy and buy a new blackberry! Please make it FUN and pretty at the same time.. not that the 9700 isn't.. Im just saying, a physical make over can do so much!

like maybe a repackaged 9000 Bold would be awesome!

It needs a touch of chrome or something...it has a low grade curve feel.

If you are gonna sucker people into buying shit, at least spray some Febreze around it.

I'm up for it. I need a newer Bold, my 9000 is great, I really don't want an iPhone, but my kids are pushing it since my Bold is a bit dated, and AT&T still hasn't pushed out 5.0 yet and I don't want to brick my phone with an unauthorized version. So yes I'll go with a Bold with OS 6, sign me up!! Oh and I LOVE my Bold, just needs an update!

it's not like everyone thinks every phone n bb history should get os6. most wouldn't even expect a phone that is a yr old to get it. when new tech comes out of course u shouldn't expect to get it on an older device and a yr is fairly old n the phone world.

the problem is the the 9700 came out a little over half a yr ago and there is no reason it shouldn't have had at least 512mb. that tech is not new and i thought i was supporting a company with more foresight than that. i expect more out of RIM. whether it was poor planning on RIMs part or just a way to make more money down the road (and my $ is on poor foresight)i expect more.

ppl keep saying it looks the same. well, i luv the design of the 9700. i don't want it changed. what i would've wanted is the amount of on board memory it should have had at the time of it's release. that is the problem. this isn't a bran new phone that just looks too much like the 9700. It is what the 9700 should have been. RIM is basically admitting that by calling it the 9800.

yeah, RIM said there was a reason the demoed the new os on the 9700 and maybe it'll get some variation of it. but it seems fairly obvious to me. that they found out after the fact that 256 is just not enough to run the new os. and that IS the problem. i really think they should have known. it's not new tech. this should not have been a surprise to RIM and i am disappointed n them

The 9700 looks better cus it has the chrome trim between the keys

RIM is so scared of change, that its kind of sad! They are so not in tune with the everyday person... I have heard that they were trying to attract a broader customer range? It's not going to happen with the phones/OS they are putting out.

And if the rumors are true that OS-6 will not be compatible with almost all of the present devices!?!?!? WOW way to think about your loyal customer base.. What a kick to the teeth. I have a BB for some time now and would drop it no problem! But for what? hmmmm ... my upgrade is due this sept.. I will just sit back and see what big red has to offer....

90% chance I will go in different direction.

In all honesty, if the only thing holding back OS 6 from being run on a 9700, could RIM not offer a RAM upgrade. Send your phone in, pay $X.xx and have your 9700 upgraded to the 512mb required? We can do it for desktop computers, we can do it for laptops, so why can't we have something like this done for our beloved BlackBerry devices???

I wish my 9700 was made of metal and super slim, just like the E71.
Rim needs to up their build quality and down their device thickness.
When the hoopla surrounding bbm has died down, they won't stand a chance. Come on I could buy an iPhone from Apple Store Regent House, take it all the way to Singapore, break it, look for the local Apple Store, and have it replaced!

They need to realize that old school thinking won't work in the coming future. We need fun and excitement with no issues and of course stability and security.

Every single current blackberry user, with the exception of Bold 9650 owners, will have to buy a new handset to use OS6.
OS6 will be the the most slowly adopted new OS in smartphone history.

I was wondering what does blackberry 6 add

Same shit again with 512 ram on existing 9700. At least they could have used bold 9000 form factor.

If the 9700 does not accept the new OS then Rim just bassicly lied to the public at their last big meeting in Vegas. They were asked directly if the 9700 would in fact be able to get and use the new OS. Their reply was yes, no problem. As I said if the 9700 won't be able to use the new OS then it was just a big lie to the public to keep the sales of their products ongoing. I will never buy another blackberry device if my 9700 doesn't accept and use the new OS.

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We always seem to wait for newer devices in order to upgrade what we have. My home PC is one, my car is another, and my home is yet another. RIM develops new products with new O/S in order to keep pace with the competition, in fighting for your consumer $$$! In some cases you cannot put new technology into your older PC, your older model car, nor your older home! Why in the world would you think it is any different with a RIM BB? Granted, the basic design of the BB doesn't change a whole lot, but that's why we buy them, because of what they are, a BB! I have recently upgraded to the Bold 9000 and love O/S 5.0! Have seen the reports on the new 9800 with O/S 6.0 and love that as well, but am willing to upgrade my phone again in about a year for that. That is just how it works for me, and I can't really complain about not being able to upgrade my 9000 to O/S 6.0, because I resign myself to having to upgrade to a new device to handle it properly! That's just how it works!

Yawn...zzz

Any rumors on who will be the service provider for this fine piece of electronics?

Sometimes I think that this site could quite easily ban user comments and simply generate them automatically instead, just have a bunch say they are leaving for iphone, some saying they are going to android and then some replies saying don't let door hit you on your way out, add in some complaints about rim and/or a new device and then you just have the people in a panic about whether their device will get os6 or not.

On that last point, updates to existing devices does not mean the updated device won't get os6, what it means is that a carrier wants a more os6-optimal device in the stores for the holidays i.e. if at&t have this rumoured exclusivity period on the 9800 then you can be sure that t-mobile are going to want something newer than the 9700 to go up against them and they are going to almost certainly going to be carrying this new bold.

Looking back at os5, the priority then was also on new devices with the older ones eventually getting it and this time round we will almost certainly see some existing devices getting os6 at some point after the new devices have been released with it.

Would come out with a Original Bold size with the upgraded spec with the 9780 I be a happy camper, they need to change it up a little.

Cannot express how pissed i am...

9780, 9620, 9700,9500 blah blah blah all these devices look the same doing the same shit blackberry is getting lamer with each device

Sorry, but this looks like every other BB out there. Something new and different would be nice. No good....next.

this is why i got the EVO and im selling my 9700, our contracts are usually TWO YEARS, so the phone should atleast last half of that.

sorry rim, i love your devices but im NOT upgrading, or will i buy a new device from you with a contract ever again.

ill get one on craigslist if i really need to.

its obvious that the 9700 WILL NOT be getting 0S 6.

i wonder what provider this is branded?

doesnt say it on the bottom, but the welcome text message is there, does Salomondrin say what provider the welcome text is from?

You send out a half baked phone like the storm/tour then expect people to say something...we are the consumers...why not?

looks like 9700 will not going to get 6.0 due to low ram of 256 MB so check out the info of curve 9300 which specs is much similar to 9700 WITH 624 mhz and 256 MB RAM.

This week, BBLeaks published the official specs of the Curve 9300. We covered it in News From The Wire, but as a refresher:

3G and HSDPA
GPS
WiFi with UMA
Processor 624 MHz
256 MB RAM
256 MB Flash
QVGA screen (320 x 240)
2 megapixel camera without flash
MHA 1150 Battery
Multimedia keys
OS 5.0

Yes, that says OS 5.0, and for good reason. From what I’m hearing OS 6 will only work with devices carrying 512MB or more of RAM. That would seemingly rule out the 9300. There is a chance, though, that we see a hybrid version of OS 6 released for these 256MB devices
, and a decent chance that the WebKit browser
eventually comes to OS 5 devices. Our source says it’s a 70-30 chance at this point. That doesn’t sound too bad at all. It would also be nice for users of older devices to eventually get the WebKit browser.

Sorry...I can't seem to sympathize with the Bold 9700 whining. I have a Bold 9000, and yes, the Bold 9700 was released. Did I upgrade after 6 months...no. However, I will upgrade to the new 9800.

Seems some feel the are "entitled" to an upgrade for the new BB OS6...life's not like that. If you want the lasted technology then buy the latest device. We seem to forget the difference between what we "need" and what we "want".

RIM is not in business to pay for our "wants"...rather provide a product and we can decide. You've got to pay to play!!

People are upset that they might not get 6.0 on there "older device" because it is gonna fix a lot of bugs that just should not be there...it's like those offical releases that everyone scrambles to so that they dont get a registration message when they do a battery pull....

When Android/Apple drop a OS it's not to fix MAJOR flaws of the phone OTA handle that, most people if not all are ok with there droid they just want Froyo to improve something thats already great. 6.0 is gonna FIX things that are broken, and if there device doesnt get it...well then thats F'ing SUCKS

So please stop telling loyal BB customers to stop crying or anything else for that matter, they have voices and they paid so let them speak, everyone doesnt share your view or want to jump from device to device...they like there BOLD 9700 but would like it to run smooth and like it should when it was released.

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9700 is not a refresh from 9000 at all and this was to replace because problem with trackball. PLEASE quit whining for wanting to know if 9700 will going to get OS 6. if 9700 is very stable device then there is no need to worry about if 9700 will get 6.0 or not.

storm 2 is not refresh from storm 1 because storm 1 was heavly criticized for putting out on the market too fast that are causing a lot of problem for storm owners with OS 4.7 and storm 2 was much more stable device. it is same for older devices with trackball, they are all replaced with new devices with trackbpad.

if bold 9700 is not going to get 6.0 then don't give up and new device like 9800 because what if you bought 9800 then one or 2 yrs later OS 7 will not work with 9800 then it is a waste of money that you bought with.

So I guess OS6 on current would be toned down, kinda like the 3G on ios4, which ran slow and wasn't too good. I hope the Webkit Browser remains.

Or maybe 256Mb devices will run the full OS6 just like how the 9000 ran 5.0. Pretty fast all around but ran out of memory every other day.

In a nutshell, I've always found our qwerty devices to be the most convenient, most practical, most instant, and had found the lack of tabs in Browser (and its abysmal touch features over Safari) the only major snag. The 'always connected' idea has never been matched even with the ios 4 and its so-called multitasking and push im. Its integration is unsurpassed and quite elegant.

I hope OS6 makes it more fun and easier to use the powerful features hidden beneath menus and shortcut keys.

What I would like to know is why does RIM even bother to come out with a "refresh" Storm 2 and a Bold 9700??? Why not just take that time to invest in a completely new device and introduce new and more advance technology? This is the time to pave the way of NEW generation Smart phones. Come on RIM, this ain't Twitter, stop followin and be a leader. As far as I'm concerned, all these "NEW" BB devices need to have a MINIMUM of 1GB+. We all know the Storm 1 was a FAIL and really the Storm 2 is what the Storm 1 should've been. The "refresh" Storm 2 is what the original Storm 2 should've been and the Storm 3 should be the device coming out now instead of the "refresh" Storm 2, and it should have 1GB. Come on/// WOW US RIM...

Are you kidding me? You people are complaining that a phone that was released 9 months ago MIGHT not fully support a new OS with MAJOR upgrades? Seriously? Please tell me how this is any different than what other manufacturers do. On a side note, I am sure there will be an OS 6 upgrade to the 9700, either lite or full, but come on, it's 9 months old and by the time OS6 will be released, it will be almost a year old!

Perhaps i'll be back RIM in a year or 2. So far, only miss BBM.

.. wow.

First the comparisons to new model cars cracks me up. It's such a terrible analogy. There is no expectation or track record of cars after release being supported by *updates* lol. It makes zero sense.

Now computers.. those are decent comparisons. Computers often support newer updates in software and are expected to. Most computers are purchased with some future proofing in mind. Especially for those of us whom build them ourselves. When I built my rig in 2007.. 2gb of ram was considered the sweet spot and dual core cpu's more than enough. I went 4gb and quad core. Why? to be ready for a long term investment. Now it's 2010 and my comp is just as strong as when I bought it. And this leads me to the precise failing within RIM's current direction and why I personally left for Android.

Smart phones IMO come with an expectation to be viable with updates/support for at minimum the next OS release. We cant upgrade hardware to keep this option open, so when we as consumers look at which devices to buy, we look at what it can do now AND will it be supported. To read so many comments of people saying the future support expectation is a non issue is downright laughable.

Support precedent: HTC Droid Eris my buddy owns.. came out with 1.5 on it. Has since been SUPPORTED to 2.1, that makes consumers (my buddy) happy. Another buddy has the original Iphone and last year when the 3GS came out and new OS came out.. he was able to upgrade to it. That makes him happy. My HTC EVO came with 2.1 on it.. later this year HTC will have 2.2 (froyo which is a rather large update) ready for it and that makes me happy. Makes me feel like my device was worth of my investment. Hell we can even show precedent within RIM offerings.. 9630 owners got the phone with 4.7 on it.. and now have been updated to 5.0!

It's not about OS6 really though, everyone wants RIM OS to advance so OS6 is a good thing. It's about the hardware that can support said OS!

RIM consistently gives us choices that are just marginally enough. I almost bought a Tour 9630 when it launched but heard just in time that a newer version was coming, and I waited to see if that device (9650) would be a device I could trust to invest in. The Tour was just enough for 5.0 and the 9650 is now just enough for the coming 6.0 advancement. RIM never puts out a device that screams my hardware is ready for your 2 year contract. While waiting for the 9650 the EVO was announced and I immediately saw what I was looking for. A device with the hardware to truly carry it for 2 years!

I think this is the heart of all the complaints that have been on this forum lately. Oh sure some will cry that the voices of complaint should just leave.. but they are fools whom cant handle any criticism. Many of the complaints are coming from LONGTIME BlackBerry users and supporters. I like RIM and I hope when my next contract comes up, that they have a device in the running for my dollar. I believe the people here posting complaints feel the same way.

Why only 512mb in the 9700 refresh? It's foolish! These 9700 owners would not be so angry if the "refresh" came out with a 768 or gasp.. a full 1gb! It feels more of the same because as usual it's just barely enough. For comparison.. my EVO has 1gb of ROM space (wherte the OS is loaded along with all the apps, currently 51 of them and still 214mb left) as well as 512mb of ram for running it all. More than enough and I have no fears that my device will make it till my next upgrade.

When my next upgrade come around.. I wont be tied to Android only. I will again look a the options available. I hope RIM is one of those options. I hope the cease this barely enough mindset they have now and release a killer device. It doesnt have to be an iphone killer or an EVO killer. It just simply needs to be their best effort. They are capable of more than they've shown and that is the number one reason people are bailing. The 9800 looks solid until you look at the ram. 512 again.. sigh. 768 or 1gb should be the target! Make it have MORE THAN ENOUGH room to have all the apps one might want or be ready for the next release of OS. Future ready!

Once again if 512mb is minimum for OS6 to be fully functional (with room for apps), then why is every device aiming for the bottom???? They really need to release all new devices with 1GB+ especially with memory being sooo cheap these days.... I love my BB but they really need to aim a little higher...

for toilet paper. Maybe the 9800 will be EXTRA ply!

Sorry Bla1ze. I totally trolled all over this post today. My apologies. I just couldn't control my opinion on this one.

Here's the thing I've been wondering about, in the UAProf confirming the 9780 there was no N for wireless. Maybe we'll have an 83xx scheme with several different devices but very similar devices. Say they will all have OS6, the 9700 will have reduced memory but wireless, the 9700 will have the memory and a newer camera, but no wireless. Would make sense from a marketing point of view, since I simply won't believe they've run out of 9700s to sell. If the 9780 is better in every aspect they'd simply be wasting the entire 9700 line. Any thoughts?

I like the BlackBerry as well. I've messed around with Droids and i-phones, but I still prefer the traditional BlackBerry layout. I think the Bold (9650, 9700)is a great looking device. I know what I need in a device, it's not dual HDMI outputs. What I need is e-mail that is clean not converted to WAP and a solid web browser. I'm really excited about the webkit and can't wait to see what all else is offered with OS6. All the folders are intimidating, but I'll learn to use them. Just as I did with the current os

It's like everyone is jumping to some weird conclusion based on the fact new phones are being made. I have no reason to believe the 9700 won't get OS 6. RIM said there was a reason the 9700 was used to demo webkit. There have been reports in the blogs of the 9700 being used to test OS 6. And CX said the 9700 would get OS 6. That is enough for me. By the way I love the 9700 design and am very happy they are keeping it. I'm not as excited about large flat screen tv looking slabs that seem to be the current rave.

I think people are missing out on something here... Originally, you probably DID only need 256k to run OS6. However, I imagine RIM realized that there would be no RAM left to operate the apps. If you run particularly light on the apps, you could probably get by on the 256k with OS6. Lets face it. Nothing will change for the "outdated" BB's. You won't wake up in the morning, and have a useless phone. We all get left behind by tecnological progress at one point or another. BFD. Stop crying if you just upgraded and there is a better one coming out now. I have another 10 months with my 8310, unless I buy outright, and that's fine. Yes! I'm jealous of those who will have the baddest, fastest BB yet, but I also know when my upgrade is here, the 9780 will look weak and ineffective in comparison to the newest BB. It happens. In the mean time, you still have the handheld that has made you happy until you heard about OS6

Why do people think RIM can't get OS 6 to run on a 256MB device like the 9700 and Storm 2 and when Apple is offering IOS 4 on the 3GS, which is 256MB.

Even the 3G with 128MB supports a toned down version of IO 4, with multitasking being the obvious missing feature.

What makes you think RIM can't do this?

As I understand OS6, it will require a phone with 512 megs of RAM to run, that leaves a lot of phones out. Thats why the 9780.

RIM isn't changing the design because everyday they lose more people to other smartphones, and since os6 isn't working on current hardware, 9650 excluded, they need to get phones on the market to launch their new os

If you love bb you have to know what the cons are. I've finally cemented them and no one can convince me other wise. First off there just starting to roll out new devices every summer and those devices are only supporting the new OS of that year. I love BB but I feel the device that has came out the fall before the new OS should get that OS but its a business so they want money more devices creates more money in their minds. Rim will continue to lose customers but that doesn't really matter to them.

Well look at that. Looks JUST like a BB 9700 ::sigh::

512 is definitely the min. the reason for the delay on os 6 was RIM trying to get the os to work on 256 phones. When they couldn't get out running right the new delay was getting enough devices on each carrier for launch of os6. Which is why they are refreshes not New devices.everyone will see the real new devices early next year.

Exactly...and yes I love my life, hows yours???

Droid X works fine...fits great, When RIM makes one, comment about how you love 16gb 1ghz 8mp Cam 720 HD video

:)

Looks good, but I'm holding out for that beloved 9800. Can't wait!

As far as I'm concerned, RIM knew what they were doing. The Storm 2 and Bold 9700 haven't even been out a year and RIM for sure as hell was in the making on BBOS6 before the release of those 2 devices. I'm sure RIM knew how much RAM was/would require to operate BBOS6... See, they have done it with the NEW Pearl. I can't figure out why RIM would release that device with 256RAM knowing the release of the BBOS6 is around the corner. Something doesn't make sense here. Could every current BB that has 256RAM get their OWN version of BBOS6 and each device is required a different amount of RAM??? Who knows but it will be stupid if we can't even get a watered down version of BBOS6 to run on are Storm 2, Bold 9700, etc... Come on RIM, get ya head out ur ass, be a leader and don't do like Twitter and be a follower.

why are they coming with all these device...it look almost the same....
seriously rim gotta find a new designer...shit

RIM sticking it to you suckers...LMAO

DROIDDDD does... EVO / INC / X ....no matter what carrier, get one cause Blackberry sucks balllllssss.

how about RIM up the memory on the 9000 and call it a day?

I love how everyone complains about Apple "putting out a new device every year, making the year-old one obsolete, blah blah blah." Meanwhile, my 9700, which was top-of-the-line when I bought it two months ago won't have support for OS6. Even Apple made iOS4 compatible with older handsets.

I have read all of it here, I could not help but notice that everyone were complaining about blackberry 6 that may not work with bold 9700 but I remember clearly that storm 9530 was tested with OS 5.0 from verizon and it was failed the first time, then suddenly it works just fine as they found the right 5.0 verison on storm 9530. I believe the right version of 6.0 will be found for 9700.

so now sit back and wait it out for few carriers of 9700 to work on it. as of now, go and enjoy your bold 9700 for now.

I come on this site everyday hoping i see whats going on with this OS 6.0... so far i keep getting disappointed, RIM must be trying to build up hype like Jordan kicks... f is up man??

There are definitely some strong feelings being communicated. My two cents for what its worth...

1) I love (in a strictly professional way of course) my 9700. I had a 9000 for a year and a half and I find the 9700 much more responsive and less 'glitchy' then the 9000. With the 9000, I was using it and my iPod touch to do all my 'stuff' that I wanted to do. Figure it was 30-40% 9000 and 60-70% iPod. Now, it's about 50-60% 9700 and 40-50% iPod.

Point - 9700 as it is now is a good device.

2) iPhone gets a new version every year. The first rfresh of the iPhone caused a lot of people to get pissed off because they wanted the latest-greatest and were stuck in a 2-3 year contract. Android seems to be getting one every 2-3 months. Android users (I believe) have complained a lot that their devices are obsolete faster than probably many others since there was (I believe) some issues with manufacturers not rolling out the newer version of Android to all devices.

Point - Shelf life of a phone is never more than a year, there will always be something better and as much as it would be ideal that your device 'grow' with you over time, what RIM is doing is not that much different than what Apple, Google, MS or any others have done and continue to do.

3) Personally, I don't like the iPhone (too dumbed down for my taste as I like to actually have 'control' over the phone and not the other way around). Android doesn't do it for me at all... can't stand the standard interface, don't like the HTC skins. Maybe in a year or two I'll start to see something I like in it but not yet. Win Phone 7 seems pretty cool but the more I hear now, the more it seems it will take the second revision before it sees its potential.

Point - Blackberry is still the only device 'does it' for me. It's true that it is like 'crack' (not that I do 'crack'...). I always have it in my hand and checking things out. The bloody thing is addictive and I can't see myself changing because I don't have 0S6. It will still be addictive! Probably better that I don't get OS6 as I may as well just divorce the missus... (or she'll divorce me if I spend any more time on the bloody thing!)

Lastly... I got the 9700 to keep me going until the 9800 comes out. Since it is so good... I can live with the 9700 until the new year. By then, any bugs in the 9800 will have worked it self out and I can it with OS6. I was already planning on buying it unlocked so I know I will spend $600 on it. Since I got my 9700 for $100, that's okay with me as I give it to the missus or family.

Again, my two cents... maybe a little disappointed I may not get OS6 but no where near to give up on my 9700 or RIM as it is still the best choice (for me at least).

It seems those people that are upset that phones purchased within the past year aren't getting OS6 need to calm down! Would you rather RIM release another OS5 update called OS6? I'd rather RIM redesign their OS and make it more modernized than to keep it more of the same just to support all of their older devices.

You have to keep in mind, RIM is huge with businesses and I am sure they don't care if they are running OS5 or OS6 (where I work, they still use 8330's running 4.5). I'd consider OS6 to be the first attempt at a mainstream/consumer OS. It's flashy, has an awesome browser and really steps up its multimedia features (all of which consumers want in a modern phone). The fact is, OS5 attempts those but doesn't "hit the hammer on the nail". In order to do that, the OS needed to be overhauled along with upgraded hardware.

Now before the comments about the device refreshes occur, let me say this: I personally have an 8330. OS5 is available for it and I tried it twice on two separate occasions (first was the Boost mobile version when it first came out a year back, and the second was a hybrid version about 3-4 months back). While it was nice to run the newest OS, the fact is, the device was dog slow (tolerable though because of the new features) and ate most of the memory. I really wanted to buy and OS5 phone, but I figured I'd wait for OS6 as I assumed there would have been more changes going from OS 4.5/5.0 to 6.0.

Lastly, to those pissed that their newly purchased devices won't be getting 6.0, that's the price to pay for evolving technology. I bought a fully loaded '02 Dodge Dakota quad cab in 2004 for $30,000. I was walking through a dealership in the summer of 2008 and they had brand new '08 Dodge Ram quad cabs that were fully loaded advertised for $28,000! Granted, I could have easily waited a few more years to get that deal, but I bought what I bought and I am still happy as ever to have it. Or look at when Windows Vista first came out, a lot of newer PC's even had problems running it because of how steep the system requirements were, but it had to be done to "modernize" the OS. Yes, Vista was considered a flop (which it isn't so much after the SP), but 7 came out with less demanding system requirements but even after trying 7, I stuck with XP on my aging PC. So if RIM did decide to support older devices with a dumbed down OS6 with less bells and whistles, that could have been the final nail in the coffin for RIM and its consumers. Right now, a few people are leaving, but if OS6 was a minor update, I'm sure a lot more people would have been leaving.

Just remember, for every person on here leaving RIM for another device, I'm sure we will get a new wave of Crackberry addicts joining here when OS6 comes out :)

Well, for me, it really comes down to a couple of improvements I was hoping to see on the 9700. The 9700 has been the most solid device I have used, to date.

That said, I was hoping for some minor changes via software, and I hadn't thought those hopes would be too far off base as really, the device is quite young, considering general release of FALL 2009.

Less than a year old, and now a slightly newer device to replace it, with no sight of back support for it, once the new 9780 officially hits.

That in itself, disappoints me. It tells me they had a new device cooking on the back burner, before they released a fully functional 9700.

Again. Disappointed. Things may change, but I cant really see what I will decide. All I know, is I dont like the idea of being caught in a pattern like this, and encouraging it by purchasing the hardware upgrades.

The 9700 is still a solid rock of a device, but news like this makes me question it's creator...

I understand RIM will continue to make/upgrade devices but just beware of upgrading devices baced on a new OS. Many people have bought the 9700 (and are happy) but it has not been out very long and now the 9780 is on the way out because of a new OS. Why was the 9700 not made like this to accomodate BB 6? Some will be upset about this but I'll roll with the punches, just be careful about all the reliable ones out there as they could get mad/tired enough to change to something different. I really want to get the 9800 (hope T-Mobile will get it) but we'll see how things continue on.

I'm I the only one seeing the greatness coming outta blackberry!!! The webkit browser that is pumping outta these devices Blow Android and the Iphone away!!!!!! How does the fact of only have 512mb of RAM have to do anything with anything, If you want an Android device, get one but you know as soon as I get my hands on a Storm 3 that is so called out-dated, I'm still going to be laughing at you because the Browser will still be Faster than any of your so called high end Android or Iphone Devices, who's getting screwed now!!! Blackberry is new to Multimedia and everything, but will Eventually get it right, give it time!

Looks like next new device will be another storm. Just with 512Mb memory, but with same processor, screen. I suggest to call it Storm 2.1

i am so sick of this s@#t!!!!!!! NO!! obviously the 9700 isnt getting os 6. instead there going to make the exact same fone with enough ram to handle the new os. how can any1 b happy about this. these fones cost way too much to screw loyal customers around like this. i hate i phone but at least they stay current long enough to justify buying one.....

Looks like the best blackberry to date:)

Even rumored devices are way behind, spec-wise. I love RIM as a company, and I love their phones; but I'm disappointed with where they are right now.

another device, another contest coming!!!

Sounds like you have all the answers(or you just work for RIM). Why don't you share the wealth of info?

I bought my 9700 oh not too long ago, maybe 4 months and if this is on the horizon I so could have waited. Chances of 9700 getting OS 6 is like 20% (to my calculations). RIM should have some sort of step up program where you can trade your 9700 in to get this instead.

It would be cool if RIM offered an incentive to current 9700 owners to upgrade. Let's say they offered $100 off toward a trade-in of your 9700 for the 9780. I think that would be fair and would make a lot of 9700 owners happy. Just a thought.

forgetting the needs of current customers, working on OS that's already late, and not available for all, people will just switch phones.. Then rim will sack the fat lazy greek, but it will be 2012, and by then the mayan prophecy- will come to existence...

You have no idea if your current phone will support OS 6.

These refreshes by no means insinuate that current phones won't be able to upgrade. They haven't changed the design/bezel because quite frankly, they don't need changing. If you've held a 9700 before, you know what I mean.

Now put down your box of tissue, and go outside and enjoy the day. Before you know it, RIM will let everyone in on their plans.

I will be the first to say, I tend to be patient with RIM and their phones and or software upgrades...with that said, I am disappointed as I was really hoping I would be able to run OS6 on my 9700...I mean, what happend? Wasn't one of the first BBOS6 videos on a 9700? Or was that device this phone and they just called it the 9700? If so, that is a shame as it got a ton of people excited, me being one of them. Funny as I talk up my phone over Andriod as I had 2 older Andriods and came back to BB as I was really intrigued by the 9700...well, looks like I might go back to Andriod and the horrendous battery life! Least their updates will work on older phones...not everyone has 500-700 smacks to get a phone if in a contract...I have 4 kids and many responsibilities, so hard to spend that much on a "phone." Only reason I get stuck into contracts as I can't afford buying outright. I mean I am still happy with my 9700, but would have been nice to have more memory, UI update and webkit...now, I may never see it as this does leave a bad taste in my mouth. Time tells all though...I have been faithful, granted I strayed for 30 days, came back and now disappointed! More so than when I left in the first place. :(

its funny but i didnt even flynch. the one thing i feel like my 9700 is missing is a larger screen for media. sadly enough, with the 9780, we have nearly the SAME model being released.. im hurt, deeply hurt.

so do u think the 9650 will get BB6? they could come out with another refresh by then and screw everyone else as well. seen it before.

Seeing how I just bought a bold last December, I will not be buying this. I am kinda mad, though...

Has anyonone come up with a way to optimize the sd card to use as RAM (like using a USB to speed up the RAM on a PC)? Think of it! How much more could you do if you had a couple gig of front to play with on your BB???? Pinky, today we shall plot to take over the world!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This is starting to look like Nokia phones,but with one little difference...there are too many models coming up in a short period of time,but with nokia they are mostly different,as in price,as in looks,size...etc...and RIM is starting to look like some kid with an` old toy...
Wants some attention,comments...wtf is going on!?
Thinking out loud...

this is the same b.s. they pulled with the tour and the bold on verizon..same phone minor tweaks. so glad i got out of this vicious circle and got my droid x

why so stingy with the RAM....and every other spec RIM...where are the 8 megapixel shooters with flash dual core 1.5 GHz processors super AMOLED screens......if you keep doing the same iterative development cycle you'll turn into MS circa 2000.........

So, a 9650 with a better camera is all? Am I missing the point of this model? Not being sarcastic, just curiose. Is my 9650 thats a month old, obsolete now. That didnt take long if it is.
-Dez

I would get this phone if it has the Bold 9000 keyboard. I loved that keyboard when I tried it out in a store, but ended up going for the 9500 instead. But I think I have my rose-tinted glasses on, because I doubt any phone will get that keyboard again. I have tried out the 9700's keyboard as my gf has that phone, but it is just too small and fiddly. Come on RIM, or I'm gonna have to go to the 9000!

With so many devices in the pipe, what happens when RIM runs out of numbers in the 9000 range? "BlackBerry 10220 sounds a little umm...

I'll pass on this one as i have the 9700 so not really interested in a refresh although seeing as im not tied into a contract...i might buy one off line and if it comes out in white then ill do that instead.

Still waiting on the new 9800 slider as i might upgrade to that phone over my 9700.

The thing is this, sure technology moves at a blistering pace. But, it doesn't move at a speed in which the people behind the wheel can't see where they're going, they have full control and can steer it whatever way they want. In this case, do you really think RIM just found out their devices would need 512mb of memory just to function with their new OS6? No! Guaranteed they've been working on this for longer than the 9700 (for example) has been out. By releasing the SAME phone with the now needed 512mb of memory simply proves that there was absolutely NO reason not to have it there in the first place. They didn't have to make it bigger or make any changes to the housing to accommodate the larger memory so WTF RIM?!? Way to screw your loyal customers. Even the older iphones are still getting os4. I've been busy converting my buddies to a fellow Canadian company, but now feel bad for doing so. I will certainly be reviewing my options, as I'm never the type to wait out a contract. This is just enough to get me to make a move. I am outraged at this!

I won't be upgrading just because I hate that black bezel. Its like taking the shiny stuff off people who wear shiny stuff to look rich.

This looks like a very fine device to me. I love my 9700 and if it were not for the 9800 slider, I would soon be in line for one opf these babys.

I agree with Bla1ze that the 512Mb Device Memeory in the 9780 does make it look like the original 9700 will not be able to run OS 6 as we originally thought.

The original design goal for OS 6 was probably to have it run on later 256Mb devices with >512Mhz processors but OSs, like most things, expand so as to fill the space available for them.

It would now seem to be almost certain that OS 6 will only run on 512Mb phones.

i swear to god RIM....all your damn phones look the same

I think this is the engineering unit of the new onyx...
And maybe there's a lot of people have this unit.
on my country, someone sell a 9650 at nov '09 and it's real, and yesterday I found another people that have a 9800 slider in my country...

RIM basically re releases the 9700, and only ups the memory to 512? Why?!? Just do a real memory upgrades, who the h*** wants something with just 512mb? And in another 2 years, the 9790 will come out with 1gb of memory. Great.

Oh, yes. It will be mine.

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Why should I stay? Tell me ONE reason why... RIM keeps cranking out craptastic devices. By the time they finally drop this new "webkit" browswer, it will be obsolete. The latest rumoered devices are already behind the curve. Think about it! If RIM dropped OS6 NOW it would barely compete. I'm dropping this BB hardware for something somewhat recent.

I have never posted and really for the better part of this year was completely fed up with all the bitching and hate towards RIM. But after these specs...are you kidding me RIM. GOOGLE AND APPLE are destroying you! These specs are a joke. This is all Rim has to offer after months of planning, promise's and hype. When I went to CES 2010 this year and I expressed my buyers remorse to the the Marketing Rep about my Storm 2, they were all ears. I told them how I wondered if I made the right choice because how awesome the Androids operating was gaining in such a short time. I told them that there browser was like watching paint dry and finally that I was frustrated with the Storm 2 because of the screen issues( I had to put a business card in the back to make it work properly) Last but not least I expressed my utter frustration with the lack of apps and especially with prices on the apps. So to quote the rep "Dont worry, you made the right choice. We will be making huge changes to the browser and software by 2nd quarter of this year. You made the right choice!" OK..cool! I thought I will give RIM there time and will not pile on and cry every time I was frustrated with there lack of software and improvements. So I sat back and enjoyed the cool features I had. Many of you have compared BB's to Cars where as you don't buy a car and ask for a bigger engine later. Point taken! But these are not cars, they are phones and we sign two year contracts to get them and the life cycle of a phone is a lot shorter than a car. My point is I bought a Storm 2 because it was the coolest new phone and with the understanding that dramatic changes with software were coming soon and that the Storm 2 was the best RIM had so surely the improvements were coming, still RIM has given no one any reason to believe anything is coming other than the same thing. Is RIM the new PALM? How many times did PALM upgrade there Treos 30 Mb at a time. Will blackberry just give up and put Android on there hardware? I cant help but feel like I am trapped in the Twilight Zone. I have seen the BBos6 videos and they look like they are on right path but I cant wait for RIM like I did with PALM. I still have bad memories of all my Blackberry friends laughing at me with my fat Treo..I cant take that humiliation. I'm sorry RIM and Crackberry Nation. I believe I also will be moving to Google in the fall. The 9780 showed the future and it looks bleak! I'm sorry RIM... you took way too long!

you suck. :P So far, all of your OS are practically the same, even that "un-used" OS 5.2 -__- if you made the Tour, Storm 2, Bold 9700, a 'dumbed' down version of OS 6, we would be happy right? OR just send everyone that is un-happy a new phone that is OS 6 compatible! :D I wish it would be that easy.

Im sure this will be another GSM device. I hope that the rumors of Verizon making the switch to GSM are true. CDMA carriers rarely get the best BB devices.

I just wish all you whiners who are 'tired of RIM' would just leave already.

You don't buy a car with a CD player and expect GM Ford or Toyota to upgrade it to an MP3 CD player 8 months after you drive it off the lot, so why should you expect anything different from your phone?

Everyone is bitching that their old device isn't going to get the new OS. They same people bitch that RIM isn't making enough advancements in their OS. So which do you want? Do you want an update that's been crippled to work on your old hardware, or do you want more features and better functionality?

If your current phone isn't good enough the way you bought it, then you bought the wrong phone. Don't whine and complain that the phone "should have come with this" or "should have included that" when they released the last version. Plain and simple, it didn't, and you bought it anyway. Maybe next time you should research your purchase first and select the phone that fits your needs, not the phone you hope might one day possibly maybe get upgraded to fit your needs...

These 'refreshed' models aren't meant for the current user, they're meant for new users. If you were buying your first Berry, would you want to buy an old phone that barely supports it's OS, or one that runs it well? RIM is doing what they need to do to make OS6 successful. Don't blame them if you aren't smart enough to understand it...

Urghhh... It's only because I need a blackberry for my present situation or I'd have gotten rid of it a long time ago. This is not a matter of the speed of the technology market or w/e the counter-argument is, this is simply an OS6 screw over. Probably won't be getting a BB after this contract runs out, I'd rather have something that enjoys a bit more support than just under a year...

I really hate this....
RIM can't do this to their loyal boys
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Thankyou RIM for letting us down for one more time

brutal.

Well... Here's hoping it'll have an updated processor. :)

RIM did this exact same thing with the 9630, adding WIFI and a trackpad and calling it the 9650. Looks like they're gonna be doing it again with the 9700. Its a shame because both were decent devices that will be obsolete due to minor changes that probably deserved to be on the device from the get-go.

Just for the fact RIM tells us nothing and has some asshat post new devices irritates me! RIM just announce coming soon phones and tell us what's up with OS6 working on existing phone.

We saw BB6 on the Clam already!

I'm sorry but man oh man, I'm not impressed in the least here. I understand that more RAM in necessary...but again someone stated a great point about computer technology..which in pretty much hand in hand with Cell phone technology now wouldn't you all agree?? :P All the why's in the world here circumvent around RIM and no REAL answers...*sigh* I can't help but have a slap in the face or a least a mild whack after seeing, yet, another downer...RIM has to be crazy to think even 90% of people that have bought a 9700 (within it's release and on it's release that is still young...yes young in technology years), will go spend another $700 on the same friggen phone with only a little jump in RAM to support it's OS 6!?!? I really hope this is not the intention....I mean REALLY??

Here is a cool related point, I can install Linux graphic UI on a friggen 1GB USB thumb drive but RIM keeps short changing on the Phones RAM for what?? As well as be able to install APPS on the memory card...that is really not rocket science. Even though I'm not a big game player or app user on my phone...I do rely on Web, email, sms, calls, calendar, and well....ok some apps. And it's going to cost me another $700 to have this work better with OS 6...so yea..uhh $1400.00 plus tax in less than a year easy for this? Cracked? Am I wrong? My laptop runs Windows 7 dual booted with Linux Ubuntu just great and it's 3yrs old!
And not too get too more techy buuut Ram chips and chipset makers are damn cheap to import and manufacture even for the micro boards in smartphones. So.....cash grab RIM?
I'm all for new technology...I am digging the slider allot...but really holding with bated breath..will the slider be a storm 1 fiasco? It should release with minimal 1Ghz RAM at least among other hardware demands. RIM needs to be in better contact with it's users....come on now.
I know it's wait and see but if this article is in fact legit and my 9700 is already toast.....you do the math.

Rant Over

Well that's pretty much it for my 9700 getting OS6.
I'm not sure I want to buy another BlackBerry if it's barely supported a year. My friend has Android 2.1 running on his HTC Dream (G1) and that is way older than my 9700.
Guess I'll have to reevaluate when I can upgrade in January.

I just got my 9700 in June and there's already an update to it! The only thing I can hope for is that this device is on T-Mobile and they discontinue the 9700. I have insurance so if anything happens to my phone, hopefully they'll end up sending me this as a replacement instead of a new 9700 (same sort of deal as the Tour-Bold warranty switch on Verizon). Either way, I love my 9700 and 5.0 works great on it. I don't think BB6 would work as nicely on a non-touch screen phone so I'll probably end up sticking with 5.0 even if the 9700 is able to upgrade to BB6. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Haha I knew this was going to happen i saw the writing on the wall when RIM first started talking about webkit and how much memory it required that's why i bought the iPhone 4 and sold my 9700 three weeks ago. As soon as the 9780 and OS 6 is released nobody will want an out dated 9700 with OS 5.
Yes RIM is going to upset a lot of BB fans for their lack of foresight but I don't think they even had a choice. They're basically in survival mode and need to get a new OS that looks and acts like it was made in this decade out the door asap and that includes having decent web browser that actually works otherwise they risk losing even more significant market share to apple and android.

Haha I knew this was going to happen i saw the writing on the wall when RIM first started talking about webkit and how much memory it required that's why i bought the iPhone 4 and sold my 9700 three weeks ago. As soon as the 9780 and OS 6 is released nobody will want an out dated 9700 with OS 5.
Yes RIM is going to upset a lot of BB fans for their lack of foresight but I don't think they even had a choice. They're basically in survival mode and need to get a new OS that looks and acts like it was made in this decade out the door asap and that includes having decent web browser that actually works otherwise they risk losing even more significant market share to apple and android.

For those that see these rumored devices as a reason for OS 6 not working on current models, I think you have to give your head a shake. RIM has a pretty good thing going with OS 6 with lots of buzz and a increasing stock price to boot. You better believe they are going to release shiny new phones for their shiny new OS. And these phones have to be current and competitive from a hardware standpoint as they're gunning for new customers like Ios and Android are, not just current RIM users looking to upgrade. Imagine they only launched OS 6 on their current lineup? Everyone would be saying "Ok RIM, you've caught up with the software, now your hardware is lagging because competition has 512MB, 1GHz, 5MP...etc, etc" It would be the same story as today.

So please stay calm, RIM will launch these new, faster phones, but they'll also support those that have purchased in the last year or so, and that includes the beloved 9700. Be patient, RIM will tell you this shortly.

I'm still waiting for the wow factor to come, if it ever does come! Probably won't with all these "refresh" devices boring the hell out of us. Show us something we havnt seen! Show us the storm 3 maybe even the storm 4. Show us something diffrent, like the magnum bring that puppy back

BS...releasing the same exact device just for a new OS! so Im going to have to buy the same exact device for a new OS that RIM should of put on the 9700 originally......

I can't blake those who are mad about "refreshes" of current devices and I will personally be disappointed if my S2 can't get OS6, which looks like a strong possibility, but at the same time this is the reality of all technology. There is always the next big thing right around the corner, with next bigger thing just around the corner from that one.

RIM would be stupid to announce that the S2 or the 9700 won't handle the new OS, because sales of those devices in the consumer market would fall off. Corporate business wouldn't suffer because most employees have to take what their company gives them.

Think about a PC. Are you really mad when you buy a PC with a 3.33 GHz processor and six months later they offer an identical PC with a 4GHz processor? No, because you expect it to happen.

But I will admit, at least when Android offers up the next phone, its a truly different device with more improvements. Apple and RIM on the other hand (before the i4) have merely sold the same device with slightly different packaging and minor improvements for several years. I may jump to Android because of this or I may stick with BB. Its just a phone, not my whole purpose of being.

I'm getting the feeling that OS6 won't run on the old bolds with all of these new devices coming out :\

does it have one? Did i not catch that detail when reading?

I'm still waiting to hear about the super-secret Blackberry 10,000 (BB-10K) That'll have the 1.2 GHz processor, a full Gig of RAM, ship with a 32GB Micro SDHC and customizable vibration settings for pocket pleasure. Maybe a 3D holographic screen too.

I love blackberry, even on my now "Old School" Storm 1; but I don't like their current course vs. what else we're seeing on the market, so I'm going to let my fictional BB-10K represent my hope for the future of RIM.

The 9780 huh? You sure this really it? Looks like the 9700 with a Blackberry 6 Theme on it from the Crackberry App Store! Lol

I really don't see why they are putting it out here, maybe to have a Bold with 6.0 OS already released on it when it launches.

Jump over to andriod... i'm not mad at no one who is now. Especially if there is no OS 6.0 for Bold 9700

I waited a long time to get a bold 9700 and now i find out that is not the top of the line for BB and we are getting a new OS soon and this phone my not get it. This alone has me ready to jump to android. Android = new device, updates, thousand of apps. Blackberry = no news as to what current devices will officially get os6, new devices with slight upgrade over current devices after people spent good money on them, customers that are mad as HELL about what is going on with the new devices.

Is it possible the non touch-screen version of OS6 would take up less memory than the touch-screen version? We've only seen OS6 video on full sized touch screen devices... Kinda makes sense to me that a non-touch version might take up less memory... but I could definitely be wrong :)

What do you think?

RIM?? WTF?? Really?? Are You Serious?? This might as well be a twin to the Bold 9700 and if the 9700 doesn't get OS 6.0... y'all will lose a lot of costumers, including me.

I wish RIM would make a new phone with the 9000 form factor.....

Today I returned my iPhone 4 because like many people I had the signal issue. I was going to get the 9700 on spot, but they told me it would be 72 hours for the upgrade to show up on my account again and I am so glad. I can't wait to get this device. I will just have to tough it out on my 3GS until then! :D

I think this is the Bold for at&t that will hold the os6, since the original 9700 bold has only 256mb. I bet all you 9700 owners are going to be upset when os6 doesn't make your device.

I guess since I've only seen OS 6 on a touchsreen device (the 9800) I don't understand how it would work on a non-touchscreen like the 9700 or this model. Aren't the majority of it's features touchscreen friendly?

sign me up - i will take 'er for a spin!!!

I take it that this is the rumored 9700a...so glad I'm on AT&T..all these gsm devices

be Patient with bold 9700, because you all doesn't know if 9700 will going to get OS 6.0 or not. you will know the answer soon as blackberry 6 will be out before end of sept.

RIM's gonna disappoint lot of BB fans. If 9700 dosent get the OS6 update , the way with RIM looks like making its fans suckers for selling out devices which get outdated within 6 months to a year. Newer models are accepted but phones which as been out just a couple of months and not been able to get newer OS is outrageous...feels taken for a ride...a feel which I am sure many would agree..