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Posted by TMFoughty Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Excellent Post. Even if the app is a POS.. :-)

 
 
Posted by fwdiva Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

it's not totally a POS, and hopefully with the FB 1.8 it will at least be up to the ip---- capabilities (sorry, but comparison is inevitable)minus the chat. I'm not a huge FB app user, I use Socialscope and I love it, aside from getting private messages, it gets the job done, also minus the chat, but I have Beejive for that. Still love my BB!!

 
 
Posted by rgorman Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Perhaps some of the breakdowns are due to the various leaked OS's too. Slacker was taken to task a few months ago when all of a sudden people were losing the ability to cache stations, or it was stalling after one song, etc... "This is a piece of sh*t, why can't you fix it?...NOW" Most people had no issues at all because they were running their carriers OFFICIAL release. Which, most likely, was tested with any new upgrade for Slacker and was found to be fine. Go off and load a possibly buggy leaked OS and you want Slacker to fix your problem? If you have any issues with OS's that aren't official, you shouldn't complain about it.

 
 
Posted by rts3k Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Not completely true as official OS sometimes break things that are fine. it has more to do with the servers and APIS than what OS you are running. Not all the time but most of the time

 
 
Posted by mrjackson Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

I've heard from an android user (after showing him something on my facebook app, i think it was pics from a mutual friend) that the BB app is a million times better than the android app.

 
 
Posted by samisgr8 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

My wife recently picked up a Droid (I know...I tried talking her into getting a Curve, at least, but she wouldn't have any of that...) and she was playing around with the Facebook app. I kept asking her, "So, can it do " and she'd click around trying to find it, only to inevitably not be able to do that particular thing... While it's not the best out there, or even the best it could be, it's what we have, and it does more than other apps...

 
 
Posted by hoosercub Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 609 days ago

But being an android convert myself, I find it so much easier and more pleasant just to use the actual facebook touch site. The app is good for status updates and os integration but outside of that I don't really use it. I should also note that I'm a heavy facebook user and former die hard blackberry customer. The facebook app for bb had/has some serious issues, whether they are facebook's fault or rim's.

 
 
Posted by shimojunk Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 608 days ago

The FB app isn't the cleanest or most pleasant one to use, but at least my FB notifications (messages, posts on my wall, etc) work in real time. That's the most important thing for me believe it or not.

 
 
Posted by Pastor Ron Wednesday, Jun 30, 2010 602 days ago

I switched to a Moto Droid about a month ago after my Tour's trackball messed up AGAIN. I'm on FB quite a bit and enjoy being able to interact while away from my desk.

One thing I will say about the BB FB app I wish my Droid had is immediate notification. I have to check my e-mail occasionally if I want to find out if someone has replied to a thread I'm on. Not cool!

The FB touch site someone mentioned is actually pretty good, as far as I'm concerned. It (the touch mobile site) lets me interact pretty well, and I'm fairly pleased.

 
 
Posted by Pootermobile Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

I totally agree thanks for this info Bla1ze

 
 
Posted by Crackberrier09 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

The App is STILL a POS regardless of your explanation.
You should try it out and see it for yourself.

 
 
Posted by CrackberryBrandon Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

I agree you should try the app out for yourself first. Regardeless of this rant when it is working its still a POS

 
 
Posted by uneek76 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

The hardest thing about this outage(for me at least), is the fact that this is DEFINITELY a facebook issue, not an app issue. Uninstall the app, and you still don't get the email notifications from FACEBOOK. I emailed their customer support about a week ago and unfortunately still have not heard back from them. Coming from several Windows devices, i must say that I love the app. I find myself using FB alot less now that I have to navigate there from the browser.lol

 
 
Posted by javdvd Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Sorry to say this, but your argument is a total excuse for a work not well done by a developer or a Program Manager. I agree totally with you that the problem is not entirely from RIM, actually I also think that when something like this happens is more a FB issue than anything else. However, RIM, Apple, Nokia, etc...also says and tells to the world how wonderful their phones work with social sites and that there are "official" applications to those sites, and many people out there (including myself) buy these phones to stay connected to those sites, so from that point of view this features are part of the product and it is the responsibility of the manufacturer (no matter what name is) to offer these services since they announce those and publish them as services part of the product. So again, this is just a lame excuse from a developer and PM that should stay in contact with the partner (in this case FB) to know any updates that could affect the application and prevent these kind of issues.

I am really happy with my BB and how RIM address any general issues, but even if it really breaks my heart, if this is the answer that RIM promote to their customers, not taking responsibility on something they say the product has, I will have no other option than go with a more "stable" cell phone, at least one that doesn't give me excuses. I don't even want an apology, that doesn't make the app work, I want it fixed, working and stable.

 
 
Posted by dmann96 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

You are either naive or incredibly uniformed on how a Smartphone works especially in regards to the applications it runs. This applies to all iCrap, Andumb, Winsucks, BlackBerry, etc… All APIs put out by websites to developers is the reason applications work in the first place. Doesn’t matter who makes the app if the API changes without the developer knowing it.

Secondly, if you are on Facebook at all, they constantly change the site without any type of notification or feedback. Look at the mess they got themselves in regarding their privacy changes. To blame RIM for not talking to Facebook on a daily basis is ridiculous. Not everything is RIMs fault people! If you want your iCrap, got get it, and STFU! Then you can blame Jobbers for the Facebook failure when Facebook developed their own app.

 
 
Posted by KQCrackberry Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

but javdvd is exactly right. He made great points citing specific and perfectly logical reasoning behind them. He didn't use abbreviated profanity (stfu) or bash other smartphones (icrap, andumb) but rather made the point that people aren't paying 300 dollars for a phone on a two year contract with 30 bucks tacked on every month for the manufacturer to give bull$$$$ excuses for why their official applications don't work. people are spending their hard earned money on these heavily advertised social devices to have them work the way they are supposed to. and to put the blame fully on facebook for changing their website is not warranted, and my basis behind saying so is the simple fact that the official operating systems created by RIM and authorized by VZW often times have serious defects in them that make the public question whether or not they even tested them at all (perfect example: Storm 2 OS 5.0.0.607). this makes it strikingly obvious that either the manufacturers are hiring people who don't fully know what theyre doing, not testing their products well enough, or simply don't care enough about their subscribers to fix their mistakes. i love my blackberyy and so does everyone else on this site, but defending RIM when theyre definitely at least partially at fault is simply ignorant, and doing so by essentially saying, "well, it's not RIM's fault that RIM's applications don't work, it's the website's fault" is bogus. /end rant

 
 
Posted by clickclick Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

If you're looking for a portable Face Book machine than perhaps BB isn't for you.

BBs are powerful tools, and things like social sites, are really second to the devices capabilities. If you're looking for a stable smart cell phone device, well BBs are your answer. If you're looking for a stable working portable social networking device- then perhaps you were oversold in your retail store.

If your main concern is staying connected to FB then perhaps the best solution would be to sit in front of a computer.

 
 
Posted by jetman1287 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Sure, Facebook is an ever changing site, but RIM hasn't updated the app in at least a year. Can't they keep pace every six months? Plus the UI is horrible. RIM has a poor history of improving software in their OS and this is yet another example. You don't see Google or Apple making excuses!

 
 
Posted by macallik Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Good post. Some are so quick to point blame when they don't understand something and how it works.

 
 
Posted by hulashakes Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Your argument is valid. You're right, blame should not fall on RIM for facebook problems. However, if RIM can't put out a phone that can't handle applications (not just facebook) as well as Android or iPhone, then why would users stay with RIM? I love my storm, but its my loyalty to RIM (and the suretype not found on other OS's) over the years that has kept me on a blackberry. Sadly, my loyalty is wearing thin and I am hoping for a Storm 3, with vast improvements, SOON.

 
 
Posted by papped Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

What's that? People not understanding what's actually happening and just blame RIM? That's unpossible...

 
 
Posted by cultureshot Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

The problem with the Facebook app on my Bold 9700 isn't lost status updates or issues with the API, it's that the app actually CAN'T run properly on the device.

As soon as I download it, not only is the application slow and unresponsive, but the entire phone becomes slow and unresponsive.

And while I understand Facebook screws over developers with various site changes, the RIM Twitter app works fine and has had at least two updates since its release. Not so for FB.

It still love my Blackberry, but I just wish I could have an integrated Facebook app that works properly.

 
 
Posted by crisrobiou Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

very good article

 
 
Posted by MoonHowler2009 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

The problems I've had with the Facebook app have always come from problems with either my data service, FB being offline for some reason, or the photo album I'm trying to upload to being full.

 
 
Posted by tspderek Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

The new version runs great on my Bold. Gobs quicker.

 
 
Posted by jonmbutler Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

This article is complete bunk. Yes, Facebook makes changes to their API all the time that could cause this. However, you forget many key points:

1) The Facebook for Blackberry app hasn't been updated in a long, long time ... even though FB has made many changes since then.

2) The Facebook for Blackberry app has ALWAYS been a dog, ever since it was originally released.

3) Every single other mobile platform out there -- and I mean every one, literally -- has updated their respective FB app several times to address performance and functionality issues while RIM has released no updates.

4) RIM knows this sucks, and has a complete rewrite in beta right now.

I appreciate your sentiments in your article, but I'm afraid they come from a place ignorant of the actual situation.

 
 
Posted by dmann96 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

So because RIM hasn't "updated" their app "in a long , long time" that makes them the blame for the outage??? While RIMs Facebook is not the best it certainly isn't the worst. And, I am in the BetaZone, and the FB app isn't a complete rewrite of the app. So what makes you the expert?

 
 
Posted by jonmbutler Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

... nor have I claimed to be; I apologize if that's how this came across. There is no "outage" anywhere, I don't know where that is coming from. I'm referring to the terrible performance of the app at all times. RIM is the developer of the app however, it's been in this state for a long time (well over one year at a minimum, that's when I started using it) and have not released an update.

I myself haven't been able to join this particular beta program, but I've seen some comments that suggest the underlying communications were rewritten to use the modern FB APIs, and as such are performing as expected. If that's not the case, I've been misinformed and I apologize.

 
 
Posted by mytruth Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Really like the thoughts behind this, but there's always two sides to each story. It actually might be possible that there are problems with RIM and FB, and neither one are willing to admit it.

 
 
Posted by elvin1983 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

If I had a dime for every time I've told someone in the forums that their issue with the FB app not working at a particular time isn't a BB issue, that it has to do with the FB servers/API, I'd be a rich man. Fantastic article, and one that was long overdue.

 
 
Posted by Pathtek4 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

I don't really care who is responsible for the enormous failure it has become, can't just someone fix the damn thing already? Being a customer, I expect this to work, and if you don't, then your not valuing the products around you enough.
I'm tired of clicking the app, status updating, then scrolling down only to have the damn thing lock up, and have to back out and click back in again.
Its stupid and tiring at this point.

 
 
Posted by jonmbutler Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

This is the key point that all of these defenders keep forgetting -- us users hate the app, and it's been this way for a long, long time.

RIM is the developer of the app. Regardless of whether the issue is with RIM or FB, it's on RIM's plate to address it. Thankfully they seem to be doing so with the current beta.

 
 
Posted by papped Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

RIM can't address everything because it's an online service reliant on facebook api's...

Usability issues are one thing, but network problems/api problems can't be fixed on RIMs side.

But as you pointed out, users like this are going to blame RIM no matter what the cause is.... If the position of the moon causes Facebook api's to change breaking anything reliant on them, it's RIM's problem...

 
 
Posted by KINetics Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Currently playing with v1.8.0.31 of the BB FB app. It ain't that great either. Still pretty much the same except it doesn't rely on FB notification emails. It uses a polling systems (checks every XX minutes, where XX is user selectable)

 
 
Posted by infinus Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Bla1ze,
I think your article is excuse to RIM and FB both....
This is not '80 or '90 where you build software from scratch and
Think that it will live for 50 years....
..
In today's fast changing world most of the social sites and dev platforms are fully informed with changes...
.
FB can't sit ideal and see other take lead..
They have change and bring new things to lure people..
.
RIM must keep this in mind and develop apps accordingly..
Every 2nd day things will change...
So your agile app should behave properly...
.
RIM has good history of latency, may be BB platform is not fully evolved to handle sudden changes...
.
RIM should take atleast 1 year and develop better platform, which is suitable for dev's, user's, easy to deploy new changes..

 
 
Posted by cribble2k Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Technically, shouldn't Facebook develop the apps for mobile platforms? I mean word is out that there are way more devices then iphones and ipads.

Personally, Facebook mobile is pretty good on BlackBerry. I only really use the app to update my status so people can see it came from my BlackBerry.

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

You guys forget this is a free app for us to use, not great but it works 99% of the time. There's always the facebook mobile website. Social media comes and goes, I don't think RIM will invest heavily in one particular one.

 
 
Posted by infinus Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Hold on,
Don't forget that FB is a gigantic free thing..
And you get lot of new changes, that to FREE...
.
If RIM is concerned about revenue, they should build state of art FB app which is worth paying..
.
I am sure there's lot may folks ready to pay, if it worth.

 
 
Posted by papped Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

It's free because of a crapload of advertising, not to mention soliciting your information out to it's partners, not to mention paid content exists that facebook makes money off of (a lot of it too)...

 
 
Posted by thectrain Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

You forget that we bought the phone. It isn't free. When you buy their stuff you get the right to bash them if something they say they have sucks.

 
 
Posted by dmann96 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Simply, I am pretty tired of every RIM basher. Not everything that happens on a BlackBerry is RIMs fault or inability to keep up with the times.

RIM is a company that makes smartphones and develops their own OS. Is it perfect - NO! Nor is the iOS4 that just appeared. Anyone see all the comments about it completely wiping out people information when upgrading... Oh no, say it isn't so!

While I agree with the posts about RIM stepping up a delivering better updates to their applications, I am please with their progress and I believe the BetaZone is a step in the right direction. Believe it or not, people and companies aren't perfect and neither are you.

If you want some iCrap - Go get it! You want to be the next fanboy with an Andumb phone - Knock your socks off!

But please give us all a break about to how wonderful and fantasitic those phones are and how RIM is a dinosaur and a failure. Your the failure for coming back to a website just to rip into phone.

 
 
Posted by Irving94 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

I agree that the slowness/complete failures are facebook's fault BUT how about the lack of functionality? Why can;t we watch videos? Why can't we upload them? And why did it take a month for the 'like' feature to be put in? These APIs exist yet RIM doesn't implement them.

 
 
Posted by neo77racr Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Honestly people whether RIM or Facebook is at fault is so irrelevant, we all should be happy that its a free app that at least works. we are all spoiled trying to make our devices do something only our laptops can handle. the app should be an extension of the app we use on our laptops. I am in total agreement that a new update is more than long overdue. Let's just work with what we have and get on with more important things in our lives other than Facebook not responding on our devices.

 
 
Posted by demonio Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

However, it's not only the Facebook app that seems to be poorly written and executed. Take App World for example: awfully slow, laggy, terrible UI... and it's developed by RIM! And then there's the core applications like the browser for example. I mean, for crying out loud, I shouldn't have to resort to my iPod Touch to view a simple page because it's taking my BlackBerry 6 minutes to load! Email: again, I shouldn't have to resort to my iPod touch to open an email attachment because my so called "email device" won't recognize the file!

Developers are often frustrated with RIM's ridiculously strict API's and equally frustrated when they have to make 6 different versions of their application to cater to so many OS versions. No wonder so many of them are jumping ship.

I've been a devoted BlackBerry user for the last 6 years, but I'm afraid RIM is following the same path as Palm.

 
 
Posted by Stormo Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

All i know is that we pay for a device that is intended to work, when things like facebook and other apps start failing on my blackberry of course im gonna get pissed at blackberrry! i bought the device with my hard earned money expecting it to work!!! i dont really care whose fault it is, but i know that im gonna keep looking for a device that delivers what i expect it to... ive had my ups with my blackberry and ive certainly had downs enough for me to say good bye to blackberry and hello to my new iphone 4.. and yeah iphone has its glitches as well, but it balances that out with VERY nice graphics, apps and speed..

 
 
Posted by alcor34 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Finally someone people will listen to has posted a sensible explanation. As an end user its almost impossible to pin-point who is specifically to blame (only "THEY" know).
You know another thing reading through posts. People act like Verizon/RIM or whoever stood in line with you and twisted your arms to the point of torture to purchase a device etc. Why not research first. Why not take the time to read the fine print, or your entire contract. Its a given that no piece of technology is perfect. Sometimes i hate as all hell when my 9550 acts up, but then again i don't go all crazy because it's expected or we wouldn't have improvements. Do a little reading/research find a cause to find a solution before throwing to the pits.

My comments are not intended to offend anyone, it’s just my point of view like everyone else having one.

 
 
Posted by LyndellKell Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

I've got a problem no facebook chat...

 
 
Posted by Stormo Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

... touché

 
 
Posted by Crackberrier09 Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

I can bet with one of my nuts that other platforms have less problems with their F.B App.
Not to mention the BB FB App's UI is terrible.

Sorry RIM, you ain't get my money on the next upgrade.

 
 
Posted by yeahman Wednesday, Jun 23, 2010 609 days ago

Granted Facebook may deserve some blame but if RIM is developing the app, what excuse do they have for using crappy icons? What excuse do they have for not allowing me to permanently delete the Facebook calendar? I've actually given up on the FB app. I run it occasionally only to update caller ID pics. I receive notifications by email and interact with FB exclusively through the mobile website. I'm much happier this way.