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Posted by SurrealCivic Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

Great article Chris!

 
 
Posted by ssbtech Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

So I guess this means no POP email support?

 
 
Posted by peter9477 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

There's still POP and IMAP support but it's not really clear yet how this will all fit together.

 
 
Posted by raoul_duke Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

buy an iphone or android phone - check your emails.
buy a blackberry - pay 5$ per month to check emails.
i think it's worth it, but alot of people think twice before buying a berry. and too much people seem to choose the droid..

 
 
Posted by menaknow Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

That $5 seems to be hidden in the cost of a service plan fee.

For example, a Berry 1GB data plan and iPhone data plan was the same at Rogers when I signed up.

 
 
Posted by thecsman Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

After exploring different options (carriers and devices) I think it's 'buy iphone or android phone -> pay for expensive data plan -> check your emails', and there is also buy a BlackBerry -> choose from 3 flavours: unlimited email and IM, unlimited IM, Twitter, and Facebook; or full data plan -> pay for cheaper plan -> check emails if email or data plan chosen.

 
 
Posted by raremage Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

What carrier would that be? Certainly no carrier in the US has a discounted data package for BBs that is any less than for another smartphone platform, and some carriers continue to insist on an additional fees for Blackberry.

 
 
Posted by sf49ers Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

Chris, you missed on the data compression part which is huge for the carriers and enterprises that is primary reason they pay RIM, Even with Active sync RIM is bound to do data compression via NOC. Also with activesync and NOC it opens up a lot of scope for RIM to market their services on other platforms say IOS and Android as part of Mobile fusion.

 
 
Posted by dentynefire Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

I like the sound of that. And it would consolidate the rumors about RIM licensing out technology while remaining intact.

 
 
Posted by R1cowl Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

How will this effect the security of my BlackBerry? I am not an enterprise user however I love the Blackberry Business model of Security first. Other phone mfg. don't care as much, In my opinion.

 
 
Posted by maxb1ack Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

indeed... you can do a lot of damage to android device without requesting any special rights from device user / with unsigned code.

on blackberry this is almost impossible,

 
 
Posted by kingbernie06511 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

who cares about data compression on wifi???

the way I see it, either they license BBX, or they make top-notch hardware themselves that runs BBX.

period.

 
 
Posted by dentynefire Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

I supposed all those people that at some point in time are using cellular service and pay for that data???...really

 
 
Posted by rapsball4 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

You had me at proper two-way Gmail sync. Data compression would be nice, but at least on Telus I am forced into a plan with 500MB or more anyway so it doesn't really matter. I'm not really sure what else is lost. Sounds like a great move to me.

 
 
Posted by Barredbard Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

So glad it is Active Sync because it allows you to access your subfolders on Microsoft Outlook; something I have always wanted but never had on my Blackberry phone.

 
 
Posted by willm Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can access my subfolders on my 9850 ... and from what I understand BB7.1 OS isn't using Activesync yet. Is it the difference between BES/BIS (I am fairly new to the BIS structure.)

 
 
Posted by buckwylder Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

RIM needs to be smart about this platform.

1) They have awesome hardware.
2) They're developing an awesome new OS.
3) They have the NOC / infrastructure.

Gaming is a new and powerful digital economy with very little in the way of mobile greatness. There are Nintendo 3DS and Sony PS Vita's out there, but not much more.

This is a great opportunity for RIM to use the NOC / infrastructure in a creative new way by making the BlackBerry platform a viable gaming platform.

Sony has their ps store, RIM has appworld. Sony has a gaming infrastructure, RIM technically does too, they just don't know it yet.

RIM has an advantage over Nintendo's and Sony's because of their relationship with mobile carriers globally - and the NOC

So, they already have the majority of the ground work and puzzle pieces in place, and are in a perfect position to shock the world with a huge dive into the "gaming pool". Do they have anything to lose? Nope. Do they have something to game, I mean gain by entering the "gaming market"? Of course they do.

It would quite frankly be silly of RIM not to consider this opportunity to revolutionize the world of gaming, just like they did with the first smart devices.

The NOC is still a potential differentiator, provided rim uses it wisely, like they always have for their current business, just expand it for new business.

Everybody knows gaming is where it's at, people want to be able to game on the go, play online games where ever they want, seriously.

Eventually even the workplace will become gamified. No jokes here folks, farilla gorilla.

Peace
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in the time of your life, live so that in that good time, there should be no ugliness or death for yourself or for any life that your life touches, seek goodness everywhere

 
 
Posted by willm Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

+1
I want to go head-to-head in NFS Underground with my friends out East. Ignore the fact the game doesn't have head-to-head, the next version will once they figure this out!

 
 
Posted by CanuckSoldier Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

I'm not sure what the confusion is about, unless the RIM rep is misleading us in this video, it seemed clear to me that AS is simply replacing there current transport system, and the NOC will still do everything it does now for BIS/BES. AS is simply the new highway to get the data to the NOC.

So we get both the advantages of AS, that we have been missing plus keep all of RIM's NOC services as well. Looks like a win/win to me if implemented correctly.

And since RIM continues to offer all subscribers the same NOC services there is no reason for RIM to lose that revenue.

CS

 
 
Posted by dentynefire Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

At the very least RIM would be losing revenue by having to pay MS for AS. A win for MS and consumers. I wonder how much MS is getting out of that monthly fee?

 
 
Posted by raremage Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

But why bother with forcing email/PDA traffic through the NOC? ActiveSync built into the handset OS allows the BB to communicate directly with the mail servers, removing a potential point of overhead and potential point of failure.

Plus, with a direct ActiveSync connection, data no longer would have to pass through the NOC and be subject to any inspection or storage by RIM - meaning your data doesn't exist on their systems as well as on your phone and your email server.

 
 
Posted by dentynefire Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 126 days ago

because they are saying that by going through the NOC, data will always be encrypted when using Mobile Fusion. Also other services like video chat and other data (attachments) would use the NOC for data compression and BBM social app traffic I would guess.

Personaly I'm happy with RIMs level of uptime. Is's still 99.9% up and thats good for me. The last outtage was long though.

The biggest factor for me is the cell service. Its bad so the performance is as good as it or WIFI signal. I am better served by the NOC than by my carrier.

 
 
Posted by buckwylder Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

New Ad campaign nobody will understand called "The NOC Rocks" - and a series of mysterious "new age" religion ads will start appearing on tv's globally.
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in the time of your life, live so that in that good time, there should be no ugliness or death for yourself or for any life that your life touches, seek goodness everywhere

 
 
Posted by Kiddo2050 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

A big part of the reason that RIM stock is trading at near-record lows is driven by Wall Street's belief that this service revenue is not sustainable.

Best example of ex post justification I've read in a long time....

The new phones will have BBM, they will need the NOC, plau RIM can leaverage the NOC for a lot of cloud services. So as I said Wall Street is just trying to justify it's insanity on RIM or it is filled with a bunch of morons, and actually having taught hundreds of people who now work on Wall Street... it's both.

 
 
Posted by wirelessdeveloper.info Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

This may or may not be part of the reason for this decision, but the current BB push email paradigm is not really applicable to the Playbook. It is not an "always on" device (as opposed to the phones). It may be turned off most of the time. It is possible that RIM does not have a robust back end solution for this situation in-house, it is a completely different can of worms.

 
 
Posted by blackb9000 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

I actually believe this is their only solution for a WIFI only device, Future smart phones and 3g(4G) tablets should be able handle RIM email service. One can only hope RIM would actually shred some more light on this soon. Bad press piling up again *sighh

 
 
Posted by scottd34 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

When a carrier escalates a call to rim the carrier pays the support fee, not the customer.

 
 
Posted by the_sleuth Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

Chris, one of your better articles. As RIM's market share dwindles in U.S. It is losing bargaining power. Most U.S. Carriers are peddling Android devices. RIM's service revenues will start to shrink in my opinion. As you mentioned, the stock price is discounting the harsh reality. Some here at CrackBerry.com have argued that NOC is a hindrance to RIM. If it can't be leveraged for cloud services, then NOC's usefulness is dwindling.

 
 
Posted by raremage Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

Well said. RIM has clung to their email sync solution to sustain service revenues to the detriment of the customers. They should have been rethinking how they can provide services and maintain service revenue and profitability in different ways long before now.

Continuing to charge a NOC tax probably isn't it. \

There are so many ways they can use their top tier NOC to provide cloud services or hosting that could not only help maintain service revenues but even enhance them, if they embrace the change rather than deny it.

 
 
Posted by dentynefire Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 126 days ago

+1

 
 
Posted by si_chindo Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

i wont claim i understand all this technical mumbo jumbo but if it means better features while still maintaining push capabilities and security then i am all for it.
in terms of rim getting lower ,argins, thats just how business is nowadays. u cant expect fat margins with stiff competition. rim just has to step up their game and increase their revenues by selling more phones and apps.

 
 
Posted by vvv2000 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

i work as a tech support in for a major mobile provider. and here is what you guys should know:
1- data compression: this is a major topic not to be taken lightly. many companies are investin huge money to find ways of compressing data for a reason. too many people have smartphones. soon there will only be smartphones. the LTE network brings high speed to everyone and do not forget that more and more people are using phones as modems/hotspots. the number of calls we get for data overage and high international data roaming - as you know many people travel with their phones - is simply huge. this cost the clients huge amount of money and the carriers even more as they pay a lot for every call they get, credits they apply and churn risk that causes. and believe me, blackberry users use waaaay less data that iphone and a hell less than androids.
2- the ease that setting up / troubleshoot email issues for a blackberry is not to be compared with iphones for example. RIM gives great tools to us to fix clients issues and assist them. AND they give great web tools (BIS) to clients to manage their emails. Some of you might not realize that companies don't all use BES. many of them have a tech who manages 20-30 employee's BIS.
if I was the owner of the company that I work for, I'd be happy to continue paying for RIM because if it takes 2 min for me to add an email and test it on a client's blackberry, it takes at least 10 min to walk an "average" customer in setting up email on his iphone. not to mention the issues with the smtp serverS that people don't need to worry about with RIM

 
 
Posted by Kiddo2050 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

Excellent point, once again the fools on Wall Street are talking and betting out of their asses. Basically you've got a bunch of MBAs betting all companies are going to drop BB and go to iPhone or Android, and they are not giving a thought to the issues you raise here.

I'm sure some MBA managers will make the decision to switch to iPhone over the objections of IT officers and a few months later it will be wholly F what did we do?

But hey it's America we don't care if productivity goes in the toilet as long as our phones look good. We don't care if our kids learn nothing in school as long as they pass!

 
 
Posted by palomartian Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

Makes sense. RIM chops up and blocks big emails, funnels your internet to a crawl, etc. Saves bandwidth, carriers kickback $.

 
 
Posted by VerryBestr Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

On the enterprise side, I don't see any particular change in RIM's service revenue. In one of the clips from CES, Michael Clewley explained that the NOC is used to add a level of security to ActiveSync on the PlayBook: BlackBerry infrastructure is used to tunnel the ActiveSync communication, adding BlackBerry encryption and compression.

It's frustrating that RIM hasn't set out a roadmap for the future, and that explanations like this come out in dribs and drabs.

Going to ActiveSync brings some real advantages to RIM. For example, employees will be able to use ActiveSync-based BlackBerry phones even if their employers do not support BES.

In countries with high-speed wireless networks, data compression is less and less important for personal phones, because more and more of the data consists of films and music, which cannot be practically compressed any further.

In some other countries, RIM'S data transmission infrastructure is becoming a liability for RIM, as governments demand access to the message and BBM data, and (in the case of Indonesia) demand the installation of a local NOC.

So RIM may have good reason to move some or all of its non-enterprise data transmission on to the telco's network.

I presume RIM will still find some way to make users pay for BBM, as well as new cloud services that are apparently under development. According to explanations at CES, the NOC is still being used for non-enterprise PlayBook email, in that the NOC is used to simplify email setup and configuration.

 
 
Posted by thelink74 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

if i am reading your comment right verrybestr it sounds like the time will come where the BlackBerry devices will be able to be added as an account via Active Sync on an Enterprise Server that does not support Bes/BesX? i sure hope this is true because my company announced that they are discontinuing the Bes relationship and those of us who owns BlackBeery will have to switch devices to continue the Outlook relationshio we have with e-mail, contacts and calendar. i dint want to give up my Bold 9900!!!!

http://forums.crackberry.com/blackberry-bold-9930-9900-f235/company-disc...

 
 
Posted by willie44 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

Great article.

Does anyone know if RIM is paying royalties/licenses for their current "Push" email?

Maybe using ActiveSync the cheaper option for royalties/license at this point.

 
 
Posted by bbpandy Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

RIM invented & built their NOC Push email themself so they won't be paying any Royalties for it. By adding ActiveSync they will be paying M$ something, though I bet it's a lot less then the Android guys....what was it that M$ made off of Android last year? 370+ Million?

 
 
Posted by f0xG3 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

Do you think if EVER RIM releases a 3G/4G Playbook, it will be applicable to their NOC model?

 
 
Posted by wirelessdeveloper.info Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

I am really speculating here, but I think it is the push email model that does not work well with a tablet style device, not the NOC itself.

In the traditional BB environment, each individual message (or part of it) is delivered to the handset as soon as possible, often within seconds.

In the tablet scenario, nothing can be delivered to the device while it is off or suspended, and users expect to see an up to date view of their mailbox soon after turning on the device.

Because of this, I find the bridge based email client much more practical than the "native" or web based solution, for users who own both a Playbook and a BB phone.

 
 
Posted by PanaSama Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

Love Chris's articles, always a pleasure to read.

 
 
Posted by yvpan1 Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

yeah, i agree with Kevin's saying, "i don't care how it works as long as it works..." i don't really care of having the NOC or the ActiveSync for email transport, i believe RIM has all its judgements & adjustments before deciding to adopt the AS for its email transport system.

HOWEVER, i do believe, the NOC won't be left out. well, we know, berries are well known for their data efficiency (something that droids & iphones or even WP DON'T HAVE!!!!) and no matter how many berries are on the network, they're designed to consume as small data amount as possible, which means.. if you're heavily using BBM or email, i don't think you need 3G or H+ that much, coz.. berries can stand on EDGE/GPRS while still providing a truly push system. therefore, i believe that the NOC and AS will be integrated & work in harmony for a better efficiency & reliability.

HIT IT RIM!!!

 
 
Posted by Bratza Friday, Jan 20, 2012 127 days ago

As you stated in some of your previous posts (when someone mentioned sale to Samsung), RIM's yearly revenue is 5-8 billion. What does this mean? Either your were wrong with your maths then or now...

 
 
Posted by ofutur Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

Using a NOC matters when you have more than one email accounts because it will do all the work for you and only bug you when there is a change. It does save battery life since you don't have to keep 10 different IMAP/Activesync connections alive, but if you have just one email account, I don't really see the point.
So, I'm glad RIM is moving to Activesync, but I hope they're going to use a mixed model where they connect to your accounts and notify you of changes, but then let the apps talk to the individual servers directly.
If anything, RIM's email, contacts and calendar clients with all their limitations due to the fact that they get their info from RIM's NOC have been more of a hindrance. No folder support, no standard security features (S/Mime and PGP), no standards based sync support for each account.
Google is doing a better job with their suite, but their job is easier since they manage the apps as well.

Regarding compression for emails, just enable it in your IMAP server. You want it for your browser, use a proxy, some carriers do that anyway.

 
 
Posted by wirelessdeveloper.info Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

I disagree that the NOC is a hindrance. You don't have to use the built-in clients if you need additional features. It is relatively easy to develop clients based on the BB platform's services that work with standard or proprietary servers/proxies, to support the features you listed. You would not even have to keep 10 different IMAP/Activesync connections alive - as you mentioned above, the push service can be used for that more efficiently.

 
 
Posted by ofutur Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

Why would small businesses pay thousands of dollars to develop their own email clients + go through the trouble of maintaining the app?
And developers are not allowed to sell competing products that use RIM's APIs, so the ball is in RIM's camp to build a better product.

 
 
Posted by wirelessdeveloper.info Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 127 days ago

If there was demand for this type of product or service, developers would probably fill it. As for not being able to sell competing (or, in this case, complementary) products, do you know of any specific examples, outside of consumer apps sold through App World?

 
 
Posted by ofutur Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 126 days ago

There is demand and there are products available, but RIM is putting restrictions on what they can do or use.
Here is one: AstraSync.
http://forum.astrasync.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1174

 
 
Posted by wirelessdeveloper.info Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 126 days ago

Looks like a nice application.

The blog posting says "We submitted an application to RIM in February 09 to join the ISV Alliance Program in order to be able to use the RIM SDK".

If I remember correctly, you did not have to be a member of the ISV Alliance program in 2009 to use the SDK or sign your app. You only had to purchase the code signing keys from RIM, without submitting an actual app. Am I mistaken about this? Or did RIM also reject their request for the code signing keys because of this product?

 
 
Posted by ofutur Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 126 days ago

I don't have all the details, but 6 months ago, things had not changed, they could not get their app signed.
Do a search for Activesync in Appworld -> 0 results. That tells me that RIM is not willing for those apps to be made easily available on their platform.

 
 
Posted by Gawain Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 126 days ago

What will this mean for BES though? How will RIM be able to offer all the different policies that are not necessarily part of the ActiveSync landscape? Also, for BES users, that means no more syncing of notes with Exchange, and depending on how much they dumb it down, possibly no syncing of tasks either. So, maybe good for BIS users and some IMAP functionality, but does it really help their business clients (who are the bread and butter)?

 
 
Posted by brkdncr Saturday, Jan 21, 2012 126 days ago

you make it sound like activesync is free. there is the license fee that is taken out from the device manufacturer and passed back to microsoft. there is the increased data usage that is passed on to the consumer. the average activesync email is 10 - 30 kb in size,while the blackbberry messages are 1-2kb in size. activesync doesnt support a lot of things such as memo sync andltitude of control policies that are available over bes

 
 
Posted by scaramanga89 Sunday, Jan 22, 2012 125 days ago

Does this mean it will finally support multiple google calendars syncing under one account?

 
 
Posted by gnasher666 Sunday, Jan 22, 2012 125 days ago

The supporting technology within ActiveSync clearly does have enhanced functionality over RIMs solution but lets remember RIM have the only REAL Push technology out there.

You need a way for the server to communicate to the device for true push and the RIM APN set-up on mobile phones allows this.

All other push is really clever pull

 
 
Posted by McIrish Monday, Jan 23, 2012 124 days ago

We are moving away from Blackberry devices specifically because they don't support ActiveSync. We changed mail servers and the BES support is pretty poor, so our solution has been to go with more Android and iPhones. I have 50 phones using Astrasync to cover the problems with BES and our mail server. It works, but its way easier to maintain the iPhones and Androids. I personally have stayed with my Blackberry. I'm hoping ActiveSynce could someday be made available to older devices too.