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Posted by newcollector Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Great article that should let the webOS people know BlackBerry is a very viable option.

 
 
Posted by lockedtight Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Love this article. Well written.

 
 
Posted by bounce007 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Welcome to all from WebOS! Blackberry OS is where you should be!

 
 
Posted by LOVINLIVINLIFE Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

As a current Palm Pre owner, THANKS A BUNCH for the article!

 
 
Posted by Jenks5150 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Excellent Article.

 
 
Posted by Detective M Downs Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

I wish RIM had sent out the tweet that windows did, offering WebOS Developers free phones and etc to come develope for them.

 
 
Posted by eKafara Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

If they do send one out trying to bring them over to the RIMpire they won't come. They'll think if they switch to BlackBerry they will lose their grasp on the English language just the like people that post for RIM on twitter.

It seems that Windows will do whatever it takes to get developers on their side. Nice work.

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Microsoft is desperate for loyal supporters :) But, yeah, RIM should do the same.

 
 
Posted by jac52009 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Switching back to BB with Verizon 9930 in a few days. Was a BB 8330 Curve user two years ago before Palm Pre +. While I liked touch screen, app development never followed through. Also had handset issues, now on 4th unit. RIP WebOS.

 
 
Posted by Abrante Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

I was reading an article last night that focused on how RIM should be banking on the fact that their data apps use less kb than any other OS. That is a great bang for the buck for anyone on a data cap (I.E. 2GB). If webOS users consider that, RIM will benefit big time!

 
 
Posted by pablomdelgado Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

What is the thought about RIM as farfetched as it may be buying webOS from HP. I love QNX no doubt just wondering any thoughts and Kevin if you're reading I would love to read your thoughts on this question.

 
 
Posted by ffejie Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

This is probably too expensive for not enough gain. I'd be significantly less shocked if Microsoft bought it. Even Apple/Google probably makes more sense because they have the cash and could get some developers on their side. RIM would be criticized for not having a good strategy to put it to use. Apple would be praised for bringing new technology into house.

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

RIM is fortunate to have a far more powerful OS in QNX. Of course, they need to develop and refine the OS to run on smartphones. The GUI will be similar to the PlayBook but designed for a smaller screen.

There would be nothing to gain with RIM buying webOS. However, RIM should be looking to acquire webOS developers to assist them in building the best smartphone environment :)

 
 
Posted by ffejie Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Most importantly: you'll have the familiar feeling of being on a slightly alternative and less attractive OS. One that the media likes to forget about and all your friends thought died years ago.

This is meant as a tongue-in-cheek joke. I'm a huge BlackBerry fan/user, I just can't avoid the comparison to WebOS/Palm.

 
 
Posted by artlane3 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

If they switch to BB they should experience a huge improvement in battery life too.

 
 
Posted by LOVINLIVINLIFE Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

AGREED! Battery life is pretty bad on the Pre...I have a charger everywhere (home, car, office) just to keep juice

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Wow, I've seen all sorts of folks trying to lure webOS fans to their operating system. Even Mobile Nations is pushing Windows Phone 7 as the best route for webOS fans & developers. I find that odd since Windows Phone 7 is also struggling for survival. Heavy weights like Nokia, Samsung, Motorola, HTC, and Microsoft are behind Windows Phone 7 but it is clawing for its piece of the smartphone pie. Windows Phone 7 fans are now hoping that webOS users and developers will cross the fence, but I think BlackBerry OS has much, much more potential, especially the QNX based OS 8.

I know Microsoft is doing its best to bring Windows Phone to the masses, and the latest upgrade is certainly better on paper than its predecessor. Indeed, what was Microsoft thinking to release an OS in 2010 that didn't support multitasking??? They certainly couldn't do it right in Windows Mobile over the course of several years, so they ditched it. My Windows Mobile 6 phone used to spend several minutes showing me that darn spinning gizmo -- I couldn't receive calls or use the device until I removed the battery!

Nevertheless, pressures from every other mobile OS forced Microsoft to reconsider. Do these folks in up in Seattle really know what they're doing? Do they even know what customers want? Certainly their latest attempt to add multitasking to the mix of "upgrades" isn't necessarily going to do the trick. It needs to be easy to use, it needs to work well, and it needs to be fast and transparent.

RIM has demonstrated their ability to deliver on a powerful OS platform, robustly engineered yet refined hardware, effective & efficient GUI with well-engineered gestures (and even bezel gestures that are fairly intuitive). No other in the mobile space has that much of a lead in these three areas. Apple's iOS needs a major revamp and re-write to compete with the PlayBook's much superior QNX engine. The PlayBook's gesturing is also more intuitive. It's not to say that Apple isn't in the game. They have broken new ground and need to be commended for their contributions. Indeed, many of the webOS development team came from Apple. They also broke some new ground. Now, RIM is doing the same with the PlayBook and with the new QNX based smartphones like the rumored Colt.

Folks rave about webOS's card system of multitasking. It looks pretty, however, even HP can't pull it off with ease. The TouchPad runs a 1.2 GHz dual core processor (faster than the PlayBook) yet it crawls under the poorly written webOS kernel. Yes, RIM has duplicated this in the PlayBook, but they have a solid multitasking, multithreaded, multiprocessing kernel engine behind the fancy card-based task switching. RIM does it right with QNX. Hey, even BlackBerry OS 7 can brag about its very capable multitasking abilities -- it's fast & very efficient!

webOS folks, HP was never really committed to the mobile space. They bought webOS on a whim and they didn't give it a chance to flourish. I agree that the space is getting crowded with iOS, Android, and BlackBerry capturing the bulk of the market share. Some crumbs are available for Windows Phone 7, but there was little left for webOS. Without a powerful engine, the webOS GUI will die. QNX is that engine, and RIM is now defining a new UI for their smartphones based on the QNX-based Tablet OS in the PlayBook.

 
 
Posted by afrikanac Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Looking at the way things are going for RIM anyone that decides to join BB from webos might be looking for a new OS soon....

 
 
Posted by XperImnenT Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

lol agreed.

And since HP touchpad 16gb is now being sold for $99 because of HP clearing their webOS devices, I'd its a much better deal than getting a playbook at full price

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

It's $99 because it is a dead end. No new development, no new apps, no support. HP rushed the TouchPad and it shows: poor hardware, incomplete software that is also very buggy.

The PlayBook is getting really nice updates every month, there is a growing collection of apps, and it's supported. PlayBook hardware is better engineered too.

PlayBook has promise. TouchPad has been hanged by HP. RIP.

 
 
Posted by XperImnenT Monday, Aug 22, 2011 278 days ago

incorrect information. HP discontinued making webOS "DEVICES", they said they will continue to support WebOS and will provide future updates

Also, the fact that you can soon port android to WebOS make it a very tempting deal( Honeycomb stable beta coming out 8/24)...when that happens, you'll have a $99 hp made tablet with a faster processor (1.2 dual core) than playbook having access to android app market...if you don't think that's a good deal, you might wanna your you know what out of RIM's you know what, take in a fresh breath of air and reassess.

 
 
Posted by melander Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 278 days ago

In a few months of availability, the TabletOS application support (without AIR SDK) has caught up with what Palm had with WebOS over 2+ years. There are lots more games, patches and Real Estate Apps for every city in Preware granted, but watch out. I don't want Android on any of my devices, especially Norton Antivirus for Android.

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Should I even dare to respond to this? If the PlayBook and new BlackBerry 7 smartphones aren't enough to convince you that RIM has more than just a pulse, you've been living somewhere else lately.

Indeed, RIM's future is very bright with the most powerful mobile OS, the best engineered phones (see recent Consumer Reports article on Smartphone Reliability, where BlackBerrys came out on top), and a huge following of loyal followers. Let's not forget their armies of BES customers too (governments & businesses everywhere around the globe).

RIM just released three great new smartphones which are getting very good reviews everywhere. This will certainly tame the stock analysts and buy RIM some time to get their QNX superphones out early 2012. When this occurs, they will be in a very enviable position. RIM is also planning at least two more smartphone releases this fall.

Tell me if this isn't a sign of great health! Ask anyone, RIM has a very exciting future ahead! They've also recently transitioned from a smartphone company to a leading mobile computing company as well. Much greater market, even more customers.

 
 
Posted by pablomdelgado Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Things are looking brighter for RIM, for us as loyal BlackBerry fans. With the new BlackBerry 7 phones out I love the fact I been told by Android and iOS lovers they impressed with the new OS7 phones. I love the direction we are headed.

 
 
Posted by Alexandre1545 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

I'm not sure yet which phone will remplace my pre, but i'm seriously thinking I will take a blackberry phone, because I like to have keyboard on my phone, but I hope that more game will come come to BB, because I like to play game on my phone and I see on app world that not a lot of great game are avaible.

 
 
Posted by jlb21 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

I have a vendor that works for a company owned by HP. They HATE HATE HATED the little Palm phones they were supposed to use. Now everyone is excited that they can "officially" use other phones......

 
 
Posted by blackberry_id Monday, Aug 22, 2011 279 days ago

Thank you for this post. I am one of those thinking of switching. I like the slider but AT&T is no good for me, so it will probably be a 9900 or 9930 (need that keyboard). Will probably check it out at both Sprint and T-Mobile (at the end of the month) to see what kind of pricing and discounts are available. Sprint looks better for not slowing down your data, but T-Mobile's most recent promotion appears cheaper ($50).

I looked at the link to the Blackberry Desktop but it's for Mac. Glad to see the data transfer can be done without Outlook. I looked and Outlook would represent a $139 (or $109 @newegg) purchase just for essentially a one time use. Any idea when this new version of Blackberry Desktop that supports V7 devices will be out for the PC?

Regarding HP and WebOS, the impression I have is that HP thought WebOS would jumpstart their interest in becoming a tablet contender. Too bad their CEO pulled the plug on the hardware. But then what would you expect of a software CEO put in charge of a hardware company? In Hollywood they would call this bad casting. It's very sad when you think about all the missed opportunities and potential.

 
 
Posted by drumzalicious Monday, Aug 22, 2011 278 days ago

Wait, since when does DM recognize non-BlackBerry devices?

 
 
Posted by scottae316 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 278 days ago

I had an original Palm Pre and hoped for better for WebOS, but alas it was not to be. I jumped to Android and did not like it. I am very happy with BlackBerry, it does what I need it to. If I want apps and games there is always the iPod Touch. WebOS users will like the hardware and software of BlackBerry, give it a try. The new Torch 9810 is the way the Pre should have been built.

 
 
Posted by Alexandre1545 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 278 days ago

It's why I like my pre, work and fun with one device.

 
 
Posted by spcummings Monday, Aug 22, 2011 278 days ago

I had a Palm Pre for less than a year. I was okay with the OS, but the hardware was D.O.A.: after several months I couldn't make a proper phone call using the handset, due to issues that could never get resolved. I've used a Blackberry Bold 9650 ever since. I've never understood the criticism of the BB's form factor, or maybe I'm just weird. I just think the Bold looks serious and cool. The keyboard is great, and the apps are more than sufficient. I'm looking forward to upgrading to a 9930 soon.

 
 
Posted by Jonathank Monday, Aug 22, 2011 278 days ago

smart move crackberry...lets get those webos guys over to the greatest device out....Go RIM
great choice and i agree
Jonathan Kopycinski
MrKsBerry@Blogspot.com

 
 
Posted by kjamc1982 Monday, Aug 22, 2011 278 days ago

As a now former Palm Pre Plus, Palm Pre 2 and Palm Pixi Plus user I would say I never really experience any major hardware problems with the Palm phones. I loved the Pixi form factor so I might get me a Bold 9930 when I have the money. I just need to sell the Pre 2, a Pixi Plus, and my Droid X as soon as I can. I am currently using a Storm 2 and I have basically a love hate relationship with this phone since it is a refurbished phone I got in a trade for my Pre Plus. I have other BlackBerry phones they are just so old and will be my backup phones. I just wish the Torch 9810 wasn't exclusive to AT&T because I think I like the slider form factor.

 
 
Posted by looksee Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 278 days ago

I'm new to Blackberrys. I really want to make the leap from Palm Pre to Torch 9810, but I want to know if it will do 2 things: 1. tether to my (Mac) laptop, and 2. store and launch frequently used webpages from the homescreen. (I think it does)
As to why the Torch, It's the trackpad, really. Or more specifically, the slider plus trackpad plus large screen form factor. The slider, when opened, places the trackpad near the center of the device where your thumb naturally falls when holding the device in one hand. Other devices with a trackpad at the bottom pretty much require you to hold the device with two hands to use it. And for devices with a touchscreen only (iPwn, Evo-il), you spend a lot of time trying to stretch your thumb all over the screen to reach virtual buttons etc, or again, holding it in two hands. You can get a Bold, but you give up screen size.

 
 
Posted by Drae80 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 278 days ago

1. yes you can tether it to your mac. 2. yes you can save web pages on your home screen as icons, you can also do this with contacts voicenotes and music files.

 
 
Posted by melander Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 278 days ago

As a Sprint and Pixi user, HP obviously abandoned some old Palm fundamentals with it's February announcements. I bought a Playbook and it has been great, even use Freetether to my Pixi over wifi. I've moved on to Crackberry from Precentral (which used to be TreoCentral) and though there is no homebrew community as there is for WebOS, the BBOS and TabletOS are plenty capable on their own merit. We installed patches on WebOS because HPalm didn't see the need to make WebOS as useful as PalmOS was in some aspects.

 
 
Posted by VioletC Sunday, Nov 27, 2011 182 days ago

Former Pre and Centro user here, loving my new Torch 9810. Very similar feel to the Pre - which I loved - but with the battery at near zero life and WebOS at end of life, it was time to move on. My other half has a galaxy, my son an iphone, and neither of those phones tickled my fancy... but I love my Torch :) It's the perfect replacement. I actually wish I'd done this sooner!