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Posted by mattfutch Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

Touch screens that break and WM, yuck :(

 
 
Posted by njsithlord Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

this looks cool, wonder if its as good as the pocket pc, my co worker keeps boasting about it when i flash my bb pearl

 
 
Posted by Darien Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

I'm one of the folks who runs 2 devices. A personal phone and a work phone. In this case those devices are an AT&T Tilt(bought the first day it came out to replace my loveable 8525), and a Blackberry 8820.

Let's be real in terms of email, calendar sync, nothing is easier to use than a Blackberry, as u said you don't need to be PC literate to use a Blackberry.

As for the Tilt, yeah its pretty much a small PC. The thing is even without hacking it, there is such a plethora of software available for the WM OS that the device has a huge number of uses. Now only that but its more stable than the previous OS, with the only downers being the long "camera shutter" time, and the removal of the light/flash.

I love both my devices for their uses. The Tilt is a great multimedia devices, I stream music from my home Windows Home Server, I watch Cingular Video, I watch my home TV via Slingbox on it.

It is one of the THE premier Windows OS smartphones. Bar none.

 
 
Posted by ricpac Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

if i had to use a pen (stylus), i better use it with paper.. i'm still on blackberry..

 
 
Posted by MiniBB Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

I think one of the hardest things to get used to would be the fact that it takes two hands to use the Tilt. Maybe we are spoiled by the wonder of BlackBerry??

 
 
Posted by CRACKberry Addict Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

I don't think it gets much simpler than my 8830 Blackberry. I hope Verizon unlocks GPS on the 8th of November. Thank you for the review, but you will need to pry MY Blackberry from my cold, dead fingers (or thumbs).

 
 
Posted by justdigphones Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

This is gonna be fun to watch. Most of my friends run PPCs so this royal rumble of smartphones will be fun. Oh, and my fiance has a T-mobile Dash(wm6 smartphone), and I know on it the only way we've found to turn the flashing led off is a third party app. Pretty annoying if you ask me.

 
 
Posted by renegade37918 Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

sounds like to much hard work i'll keep my beloved (beyonce) curve..

 
 
Posted by gadgetluva Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

I'm interested in all smartphones, and my next device could very well be a blackberry or a symbian device, just so I can experience them all. My company uses only BB, so eventually I'll probably have to switch. Anyways, Windows Mobile is DEFINITELY NOT a simple OS to learn and use. I've been using PPCs since I was in High School, so I know my way around these things. My biggest complaint is probably also Kevin's: the slowdowns. Now I know one big reason is because of how powerful the OS is, and I doubt anyone will disagree with me. However, as a seasoned veteran, I know of ways to make the device snappier. For what it's worth, I think that Kevin might have benefited from using a Treo 750 as it allows for a more seamless integration given the similar form factor. I'm curious about the Blackberry world, so I figure I'll be on these forums more and more. The Curve 8310 has caught my eye...

 
 
Posted by psychoelaine Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

Yeah... either we are too used to the blackberry or every other cell phone sucks...
I just love my blackberry, is the best thing that has happened to me. I believe that the blackberry is the most user friendly phone and the only phone that is fast and actually gets the job done, while being an easy to use phone.

 
 
Posted by prybar Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

But it would be nice to have the "freedom" Wm offers, much more apps and stuff available....unless iGO comes out with a BB version...LOL

pry

 
 
Posted by SoldatCrinale Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 1668 days ago

Im not sold on any phone that has WM 6 is a hit or miss for me. Its too buggy and it gets frustrating like a normal PC. Its the reason why i would get a Mac...everything is simplistic and quick to the gun. The phone looks nice but it reminds me a square version of the Tmobile Wing or a sqaure ver. of a helio ocean. im sure the media is nice but no flash on the camera sucks. The curve is easy to use,quick to learn, and its still customizable..no where near as WM 6 but you still have access to apps which i like. I like WM because of the vast programs it has..but thats about it....

 
 
Posted by yoshiod9 Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

i'd love to get a wm6 phone to try out-- mostly for some of the cool apps that they've got available. however, i'm loving my 8300 and can't imagine upgrading to anything but a blackberry from now on. :)

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

Kevin: on the kaiser (tilt) their is no "on device" way to disable the LED lights, their are programs for the device that you can download to assist with disabling that function one can be found @ http://www.modaco.com/content/Smartphone-Software-Freeware-Download-Disc...
as for the power button assignment your asking abt, do you want it to shut the device fully off, or were you just looking to map a button to place it in a "sleep mode"?

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

Like the BlackBerry is what I'm looking for (they have it right):

- one button to put it into sleep mode directly

- basically have any depressed button (all or any i dictate) snap it out of sleep mode

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

http://tinyurl.com/35ws4y this will fix the LED light issue.

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

From what I can find out abt mapping a diff standby/sleep button, it has to come from a downloadable program, while the device does support button remapping, out of the box it seemingly will not allow you to remap the power/standby buttons this program (http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php)<--this tool is flooded on all the HTC forums, much like how BB messenger is a REQUIRED item for BB .ie..xda-developers.com, htcwiki..etc..etc...offers a 14 day free trial and has what you are looking for..from what I can review anyways, theirs also a KaiserTweak Package that will do this as well, but that all depends on how far you wish to go into the device internals, I dunno what your abilities are with the devices and/or comfort level with shall we say "hacks" to make it work the way you want, personally..some of the hacks look great but to the "average" person may not even be something they would even want to try, yet again another reason why I don't like WINMobile devices, they seem to not work they way YOU want out of the box, requiring possible warrenty voids just to "make" a perfect device.

 
 
Posted by Skawt Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

I haven't been a big fan of the WM-based smartphones, and from this description I can say I still feel that way. One of the reasons why PalmOS, and by the use of same the Treo, has been so successful is because it's very easy to use with little training. RIM learned that lesson and improved upon it with the BlackBerry OS. After all this time, from WinCE 1.0 and onward, Microsoft still hasn't quite gotten it right. They keep trying to cram Windows into a small format, when they should have simply started from scratch.

Sticking with my Pearl, and a possible upgrade to a next gen Curve when my phone contract runs out. Unless, of course, I win one of these contests...

 
 
Posted by DubyaEl Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

My contracts expired last summer, so I was checking out whether to switch my Treo650 (PalmOS) to either WinMob or BB. I had my Treo 'tricked out' with over $300 in 3rd party apps, most of which I'd be able to transfer to WinMobi.

In the end, my decision was more based on carrier than anything else (if you can't get a connection where you live and work, you have nothing, right?). After having my 8800 less than a day, I knew I'd made the right decision. Out of the box, my 8800 was 'almost' as good as my tricked out Treo had been! (three words for Intuit - Quicken for BB!!!) I was so sure of it that I bought a pearl a 5 weeks later and now have both!

After reading this, I'm even MORE convinced that I made the right decision. I'm BB for life!!!!

*(Intuit - are you listening???? Quicken for BB!!!!!)

 
 
Posted by Martin Baker Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

I've been a Treo user for 4 years and recently decided to "upgrade" to a HTC S710. I used it for a week and then sent it back. Great screen, great build quality but the sluggishness, WM6 and clunkiness of the sliding keyboard were big dealbreakers. You hit the nail on the head when saying that a bigger keyboard doesn't make for a better input device. I think I'll wait for the 8320 to arrive in the UK and go for that.

 
 
Posted by bbsadaj Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

i guess it just depends on the things you need you're device to do. the main comment that i have noticed from blackberry users is that once you've had a bb then you don't really want to go back. but it is refreshing to see a report on a device and get another unbiased opinion.

 
 
Posted by JAGOOCH Sunday, Mar 02, 2008 1544 days ago

I used Palm Devices ( 1 to 5 ), Handspring, Palm, Blackberry Pearl, and now the HTC Tilt ( 8925 ). So far the Tilt has been more user friendly, and feature-ful than the BB. Neither one has crashed on me, but the Tilt was much easier to set up and use than the BB, and I am saving a lot of cash b/c activesync is working over my normal data plan to access my hosted Exchange server. Tething it only required Activesync software and a USB cable, as Internet sharing is built in the device.

There are too many advantages to list here ( full keyboard, WiFi, mobile Office apps, media player, 3G, etc ) so I'll just say that I went BB, and came back.

 
 
Posted by BrianJ Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

I have been debating whether to get a Blackberry or a Windows device in the near future. So far - it sounds like the Blackberry is the way to go. Hopefully the new Pearl 8130 will be available on Verizon soon!!!

 
 
Posted by barko12 Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

Im a huge fan of this project. Im sure that its gotta be difficult switching phones for 3 straight weeks, but Im really interested in seeing all the pros and cons from each device...and we have the best of the best working on it.

 
 
Posted by James Casino Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

This review was exactly what I needed to make the decision to keep my 8310!! I didn't think I could live without WIFI and T-Mobile is being a PITA about me setting up service in a non T-mobile area (Charleston SC) on a 8320 so the Tilt was my next option. I'm still well within my 30 day trial period and up to this point I wasn't convinced that my 8310 was the one for me but this review has sealed it.

Thanks!!

 
 
Posted by Entropy Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

Settings->System->Key Lock

I think Windows Mobile users seem to be more likely to pocket their devices instead of holster them (and unfortunately, good holsters/belt clip cases are not yet available for the Tilt since it is too new, unlike the Boxwave Active Case I had for my 8525 and loved), which is why the default is relatively cautions in terms of the ability to bring the device out of sleep.

I tried disabling the key lock once and found that it was basically impossible to pocket the phone.

Also, http://forum.xda-developers.com/ is an excellent resource for users of HTC devices.

Speaking of default behaviors, a lot of the defaults in the current Kaiser ROMs (both the HTC TyTn II and the Tilt) are admittedly rather annoying and nonsensical. Someone else mentioned a "must have" utility for Windows Mobile I don't have myself, but if you have an HTC Kaiser (TyTn II, Tilt, or one of the European carrier-branded Kaiser variants), you need KaiserTweak. Go to the aforementioned forums, choose the "Kaiser" section, and KaiserTweak has a sticky thread there.

 
 
Posted by Ricardo Van de Water Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1668 days ago

I started using PDA's and the like many moons ago. Still owning the Palm 5000, then a Cassieopia, then back to Handspring, then an HP Ipaq(to me still the best device sans a phone) onto an XV6600(hacked), XV6700(hacked extensively) and now to a BB 8830.

After all those years with a Windows mobile device and touch screen, stylus etc, I have to say my biggest grip and still is. No one input method is superior over the the other forcing you to use multiple input methods reducing the effectiveness of a one handed device. While the for the power user a Windows mobile device has its advantages, I firmly believe BB/RIM got it right and are making the necessary adjustments here and there as users become more vocal, all this without a complete OS overhaul such as Window Pocket PC, to Mobile, etc.

Blackberry is my choice and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I guess you can say its almost full circle the easier the OS the better the user experience, better over all performance and better mobility.

Just my 2 cents!

 
 
Posted by dlgus Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1667 days ago

I am loving this idea....Can't wait to see the review of the Palm Treo...I considered myself a dyed in the wool Palm girl (still have my Tungsten E), and the only reason I didn't get a Treo was that I could not find one with a decent price.

Thank you Kevin, for "taking one for the team" LOL

 
 
Posted by volsfan0911 Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 1667 days ago

Excellent write-up. I think this round robin is awesome. I've gone through several Winblowz mobile devices and LOVE my new 8310 more after reading the first installment. For a road warrior like me, battery life and email reign supreme. I laugh over the Brick(R) not getting through an entire day and that was all too painfully common with my Treo 700wx on VZW. 8310 on AT&T? Wail on email all day, an hour or so of voice and throw in a couple of GPS routes and some light surfing for good measure. I find myself looking at the phone back in the hotel room that night thinking "OMG - do I even need to recharge?". Plus, my BB is ready to rock in 2 hours max. T700wx (with an 1800 mAh battery no less) took 4-5 hours to fully recharge a dead battery. For the 'business user' profile I fit, I'm in love with my new favorite phone of all time. And no, it's not anything from MS.....

 
 
Posted by bkuni0624 Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 1667 days ago

Nice form factor on the Tilt, but still prefer my Curve.

 
 
Posted by Raiman76 Thursday, Nov 01, 2007 1667 days ago

This was an interesting review. I just wanted to address some of your concerns:

1. To power on the device besides using the power button, just goto Start\Settings\System and in there, you will find a "Key Lock" icon. Click on that and it will give you the option to power on the device with any key. Just pick "Do Not Lock Buttons".

2. Most of what I do on the device is by voice recognition. And no, I don't use the Voice Speed Dial that comes with it. I purchased Microsoft Voice Command 1.6. This is true voice recognition. I can just say "Dial 555-555-5555" through my Jawbone headset and the phone will dial. Or I can say "Call Dad at work" and it will pull from my contacts list. Also, with Voice Command, it will speak out all new email headers to me, announce calendar reminders, and announce who is calling me, either by name or number. You can also start applications or find contacts through the voice command.

3. I have changed my device's Today screen so that a lot of my interaction with device is through the touchscreen with larger icons.

4. Because of the flexibility with the Windows Mobile platform, I have installed my SlingBox on the device, my own GPS application I purchased, instead of using the subscription based TeleNav service, a business card reader application that uses the built-in camera to scan cards and put them into your contact list, Windows Live Messenger to chat (since all of my friends use this), and a different media player that I installed. Lastly, I have installed a BT application that routes all audio to a mono BT Headset if I wanted.

5. I personally have not experienced any of the glitches you have seen, but I won't say it can't happen.

6. Data loss is not a possiblity really with WM6 as it usees non-volatile ROM to store your information. So if the battery dies out, it won't lose your information like older Windows Mobile 2002/2003.

7. The poor battery life is also a function of using 3G data connections. It is widely accepted that UMTS/HSDPA eats up more battery life. I have downloaded an application that allows me to turn of the HSDPA and keep it on EDGE if I wanted to keep my Battery life up.

While I admit that the Blackberry platform is simpler to use, I think for power users, the Tilt is an equally great device.

 
 
Posted by Entropy Friday, Nov 02, 2007 1666 days ago

One other comment:

For whatever reason, it seems that in the first week of most HTC devices' lives, the charging circuitry "learns" about the device. I've heard a lot of people indicate that even with 3G enabled, battery life improves significantly after the first week of use.

I don't live in a 3G service area, so I've never had bad battery life to begin with.

The new Blackberries with 3G capability will probably experience the same battery life reduction issues...

 
 
Posted by Rainman76 Sunday, Nov 04, 2007 1664 days ago

I'll agree to that. My battery life has been pretty good so far. I'll go a whole day making some phone calls, checking emails, a little Internet and music listening and I'll be down to about 60%-70%

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Friday, Nov 02, 2007 1666 days ago

I have a short question. Is this phone locked by ATT? And if yes, if you flash the ROM with HTC one will you be able to use it with SIM cards from other operators?
Thank you for helping.

 
 
Posted by Rainman76 Friday, Nov 02, 2007 1666 days ago

Yes, if you do re-flash the Tilt with an HTC ROM, you can also do a CID Unlock and use other carrier SIM cards in it.

 
 
Posted by Entropy Friday, Nov 02, 2007 1666 days ago

Not correct.

CID lock and SIM lock are completely different things.

CID lock prevents you from flashing other carrier's ROMs onto the device. Thus flashing the HTC ROM won't let you CID-unlock the phone, as CID-unlocking has to be done in order to permit flashing the HTC ROM in the first place! That said, CID-unlocking by installing HardSPL is easy.

There is no SIM unlocker for the Kaiser yet. It's pretty easy to get an unlock code from AT&T if you're a customer in good standing though.

 
 
Posted by Kwyjibo Friday, Nov 02, 2007 1666 days ago

I wonder if you'd find a different hardware form-factor would leave you with a different impression. For example, the TMobile Shadow is designed for 1-handed operation, and features a shure-type keyboard similar to the Pearl.

 
 
Posted by Hairbear1954 Friday, Nov 02, 2007 1666 days ago

Great review. I looked this phone over at the AT&T store. I like the feel and look of this phone, but I would have a hard time giving up my Curve. I am glad to see the voice recognition program works well. Does it work better than the voice dialing feature of the Curve? I use it everyday and it is the best of all voice dialing. Thanks for the comprehensive look of this phone.

HairBear

 
 
Posted by pegels Friday, Jan 04, 2008 1603 days ago

I had the Curve - LOVED IT - but needed a smart phone my old PDA went belly up. To answer your question - NO this is not as easy as the voice dialing from the Curve. You have to go through menus to get to it. This defeats the purpose of having voice dialing. It's driving me nuts! Hoping they come out with a fix very soon

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Thursday, Apr 17, 2008 1499 days ago

I have to debunk that one. I have the tilt. I also use a bluetooth headset. I hit the button on my headset, voice dial starts automatically, I say the number to dial and it does it. I never even need to touch the phone! Try it.

 
 
Posted by bg0508 Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 1660 days ago

Great review....but at 1st glance, I can tell i like the BB better. to much to move around/open.

 
 
Posted by grumpy Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 1660 days ago

Has anyone tried running BBConnect on the WM6 yet?

 
 
Posted by homespunlady Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 1635 days ago

Thanks for the eval. I thought getting the blackjack for my daughter (she originally wanted that slide out keyboard) may have been a mistake but your assessment convinced me that it was the right decision.

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Monday, Jan 07, 2008 1599 days ago

There is no way an AT&T Tilt phone can be hacked liked the iphone or betetr?

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Monday, Jan 07, 2008 1599 days ago

There is no way an AT&T Tilt phone can be hacked liked the iphone or betetr?

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 1569 days ago

I received mine on monday, and found I am having similar likes dislikes, one thing I have done is put the phone permanently in landscape mode to avoid the delay/lag when i slide the keyboard in and out.