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Slacker vs. Pandora – Internet Radio Smackdown By Gary Mazo | 01 Apr 2009 01:04 | It is good to be a BlackBerry user these days. Developers are embracing the platform and options exist today that didn't just a year ago. One of my favorite programs over these past few months has been Slacker Internet radio. Since I cancelled my satellite radio subscription, I have been using Slacker almost exclusively as a way to keep my music fresh and varied. A few weeks ago, Adam let us know that Pandora Internet Radio (which had long been a favorite when I would stream music from my PC or Mac) was now available for the BlackBerry. Sadly, being a T-Mobile subscriber this wasn't available for us...yet. Just last week, a new update made Pandora available for T-Mobile customers (and, I presume, most others) in the US. So, what do we do now? Which is the king of Internet radio for the BlackBerry? I did a full comparison and have my thoughts on the matter below. To give a fair comparison, I will divide this review into three sections; Setup and ease of use, Options and Interface and Musical Depth and Sound Quality. My BlackBerry for this review was the T-Mobile 8900.
Setup and Ease of Use Both Slacker and Pandora are available as OTA downloads from their respective web sites - www.slacker.com and www.pandora.com . Before you download either program, make your Slacker and Pandora accounts on your PC or Mac. Setting up accounts on both web sites from your computer is easy - you register with your email address and you choose a password. Each computer based web site gives you similar options - listen to pre-programmed stations in various musical Genres or "Create Stations" based on artists that you like. I am a huge fan of the latter approach - I have 8 or 9 stations based on very different artists. Each web site will then match similar artists to the one you choose as the "base" for that station. You will hear more of that particular artist's music than any other, but not so much that you get tired of it. OK, so now I have accounts at Pandora and Slacker and I go to both web sites from my BlackBerry and download the BlackBerry plug in.
Slacker Setup Setup on Slacker went painlessly on my BlackBerry. I downloaded the software and then was prompted to restart my Blackberry - sort of a pain, but no big deal. Slacker asked me if I had an account, I input my email and password and then all my favorite stations from my Computer account showed up (with album art) on the BlackBerry.
Pandora Setup Setting up Pandora on the BlackBerry was just as painless. The Pandora Web site recognized my BlackBerry, I download the software OTA and I was set to go. Just like Slacker, I input my email address and password and all my favorite stations showed up. Unlike Slacker, however, I did not have album art for my "Favorites," just a list of stations.
Slacker Ease of Use Using Slacker is very easy. Once you are signed in, you choose to either go to your favorite stations, to create a new station (right on the BlackBerry) or to scroll down the list of available stations. In a genre like Rock, you might find that there are upwards of 15 stations to choose from. Just choose the station and it will begin playing a song from that particular artist or genre. To access the options (discussed in the next section) just press the MENU button on your blackberry.
Many of the differences between the two programs is largely cosmetic, but there are some that are more significant. Slacker The interface of the Slacker BlackBerry client is very clean. The Album Art interface is nice for scrolling and choosing what to listen to. Sometimes, a piece of album art might trigger a nice musical memory and inspire you to click and listen. Creating new stations on the fly is very easy and fun with Slacker. Just type a name into the search bar and you are off. Options during playback are pretty standard for Internet Radio. You can Pause or Play the current song, "Skip" a song, set that particular song as a "Favorite" or "Ban" that song from playing on that station. It should be noted that in the "Basic" edition of Slacker, you only get six skips in a particular listening session and there are some very brief commercials. Press the MENU key and the options are very robust. You can get a bio of the artist, you can get a review of the album, you can ban the artist altogether from that station and, my favorite "Slacker Option" - you can "Cache" the station. This is what really sets Slacker apart from other programs - if you have your memory card inserted, you can cache stations. When you select the Cache option, Slacker tells you how much space you have for cached stations. Choose to cache the station, and Slacker "records" what you are listening to your Micro SD card for later playback - a very cool feature and a nice way to build up your music library. It doesn't actually record at that minute - you receive a notice telling you that the next time you connect over USB, the station will be stored on your memory card.
Pandora Pandora also has a nice user interface. There are advertisements that are rather prominent at the bottom of the "Now Playing" screen, but that seems fair on a free program. When you start Pandora, it remembers the last station you were listening to and it immediately starts off with that station. If you want to listen to something else, just click on the "stations" tab and you go back to your list of created stations. Like Slacker, you can create a new station right on the BlackBerry. Your options for playing music are not as robust as with Slacker. You can choose a "Quick Mix" which takes songs from the "Stations" you have already created and sort of shuffles the genres. Your only options are to listen to your pre-made stations or to make new ones - you can't browse by genre and just look for a dozen rock stations. Press the MENU key and your options are also not as robust as Slacker. You can Bookmark a Song, Bookmark the artist, choose "Why this Song?" Which is sort of a strange feature where Pandora rationalizes why that particular song has been chosen to go in that list and you can shut down Pandora - that's all. When playing music, you can choose a "Thumbs up" or "Thumbs down" which is just like the "Favorite" or "Ban" feature on Slacker. You can pause the song and you can skip to the next song - there is no limit to skips on Pandora.
Musical Depth and Sound Quality For me, this winds up being the most important feature. I do like the idea of Caching music, but I have an extensive music library and use Genius playlists that I Sync to my BlackBerry and I can listen to streaming Internet Radio - so, Caching is sort of overkill. Both Pandora and Slacker offer an impressive array of music when you create a station. Musical Depth I have been listening to both of these programs pretty extensively as of late. I find that with Pandora, I have a better option of hearing the same song repeat - but it may take a couple of hours. With Slacker I can go an entire day, sometimes two days, and never hear the same song - assuming I don't pick an obscure artist around which to create a station. That being said, I find that Slacker offers a "Deeper" musical library around my chosen artist. Pandora mixes up the tunes, but it draws from fewer artists than does Slacker. Slacker offers deeper cuts off of some of my favorite albums that I just don't hear on Pandora. I do like the choices that Pandora makes and I find myself "Skipping" much more in slacker. Why is Madonna on the Sheryl Crow station in Slacker? I rarely find myself skipping to another song when listening to Pandora. Sound Quality This is a very subjective issue - we all have different ears and use different equipment. On the go, I used a pair of Klipsh headphones that are pretty amazing. At home, I plugged my BlackBerry into my office stereo with 5 channel surround and powerful amp and subwoofer. This was the one category that surprised me - the only one with a true "Hands down" winner. That winner was Pandora. Pandora offered much deeper bass, crisper highs and pure silence between songs. Slacker occasionally had that Wi-Fi high pitch scratch that I sometimes get when making UMA calls on my BlackBerry. Most of the time, Slacker sounded great - but it didn't sound as great as Pandora. I didn't know if this was the stations themselves or my BlackBerry, so I tried both Slacker and Pandora on my MacBook using the digital audio output to a high quality stereo. There was no high pitch scratching here - so I think that must have been a Wi-Fi Issue with my BlackBerry. However, Pandora still sounded better - it seems as though they are using a higher quality feed than Slacker. * UPDATE: It is really amazing how CrackBerry has the eyes and ears of the BlackBerry world. A Slacker rep contacted me this morning after this article was published to make an important point; the sound issues I heard on my 8900 were real -= but they are issues with the 8900 OS, not the Slacker program. He suggested that is we do a sound comparison using a Bold, the sound quality of Slacker should be much improved. **
Overall Conclusions The good news for BlackBerry users is that we really don't have to choose- we can have both. Slacker and Pandora really advance the Streaming Internet Radio options and mean that we can have great quality and fresh musical choices wherever we are. Slacker wins with regards to in program options - I like looking up the artist history and I love all the stations I can just scroll through. Slacker also wins with regards to caching music - this is an amazing feature and means that you can really be free from iTunes and other programs and you can just cache your favorite stations for great musical variety. The other huge advantage is that both these programs are memory and resource intensive. If you are not in a Wi-Fi zone or on 3G - forget it. I was able to use both on EDGE, but, eventually, both crapped out. Pandora is the winner, however, in the very important category of Sound Quality. I can't speak as to why that is, but, for me, it was consistently cleaner and crisper with fuller bass and no noise. I would recommend that you try them both and see which works for you. I keep both on my BlackBerry and now use them all the time. It is a great time to be a BlackBerry lover!
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I hate to simplify a debate in this manner but Slacker is a better name and the symbol looks better on my phone.
Pcamp5 is SOOO right...the slacker icon is really HOT and the program options are just way better. Long Live SLACKER!!!
I like them both but use Pandora when creating custom stations because Pandora has better songs on the playlist. I tried slacker's custom stations but only did a better job in the classic rock selection. I tried making trance channel and club dance channels but they sucked, Pandora was much better on that category.
I put down Mozart in Slacker and did not play classical music instead heavy metal. I put the same in Pandora and it did the right thing by playing Mozart and other classical hits.
My conclusion is Pandora is better on song selection and slacker is better on wide selection of genres. I will continue to keep both on my BB as I do use them often.
Also Slacker seems to go to the next song before the previous song ends. Pandora does not, it will play the entire song before going to the next song.
Pandora isn't available for my BB Storm but I've been using Slacker on my Pearl and Storm and the caching feature is what really makes Slacker stand apart.
Just connect it to your computer once in a while, choose a few favorite stations and it'll pile on a ton of music to your SD card.
Next thing you know you can listen to just about any type of music you want for free, with or without a wireless connection.
I've used Slacker on the BB at the gym and in the car connected to an aux jack. In reality, this really blows away sat radio, and potentially iPod listening, depending on the level of control you want to have over your collection. If they had a car kit with a device that powered on an off with my car, plus auto refreshed in the garage with my wi-fi hotspot, talk about a killer app.
Of course, that might all be possible on the iPod touch or iPhone Slacker app...
You can't beat the free service, but even 4 bucks a month seems worth it to me.
All well and good except these apps are of no value to us in Canada. Its cool though, I'm happy with the Jazz selections on FlyCast and Radio Companion.
With Full EDGE, Pandora seems to be the best option for me, even with just one bar it does its job. Slacker would freeze my 8320 and took a while to respond to it closing down. Its a lot easier for me to use now but Pandora all the way for me.
Same thing for me and also Slacker wouldn't work over WiFi for me on my 8320.
I seriously have to wonder how in the hell a sound quality test goes in Pandora's favor...
Slacker clearly sounds better to me on my Curve than Pandora. Plus there's no issues with volume levels between songs.
Pandora does a better job with artists that are lesser known and grouping other similar artists. Slacker doesn't even have some of my favorite artists listed.
On the other hand, I love Slacker's channels and the caching feature.
My problem is I'm running out of memory space on my 8320. I have both Slacker and Pandora, Google Maps, and Docs to Go along with some other smaller apps. So the stuff I have is memory intensive so something's got to go.
Until Pandora ports their app to the Storm it's no contest ... Slacker FTW! ...
I like pandora better do to the fact that I hate that sound in between songs. and pandora plays more of what I want when I create a station. Hands down pandora is the better for me. I still keep slacker do to the caching until pandora take this into affect then it will be the perfect app. Congrats to both apps for being awsome.
I like pandora better do to the fact that I hate that sound in between songs. and pandora plays more of what I want when I create a station. Hands down pandora is the better for me. I still keep slacker do to the caching until pandora take this into affect then it will be the perfect app. Congrats to both apps for being awsome.
I like Pandora better on my 8320. It just seems to stream better and the program overall is much more responsive. Slacker seemed to really lag when I tried it.
I love Pandora application for my Bold no problems with it compared it to slacker I had slacker for over 2 months but switched over to Pandora because I got better reception and no cut outs like how I did for the Slacker Radio which to this day didnt know why, and what was the reason so I left Slacker:) Im so happy with Pandora we get unlimited skipping but for Slacker they only allow you to skip 6 times then stop you for an hour, unless you want to upgrade and pay your money!!! hehe...
I much prefer Pandora Radio. I haven't tried it on a BlackBerry yet (I'm getting one this summer), but I use it all the time on my laptop. It's actually replaced iTunes for me--no need to spend money on all that music that can get 'corrupted' (thanks, Vista...)! Now, if only it had podcasts...
I have had Slacker for awhile and really like the cache (favorite stations) feature that you can play without interruption when you are in an area that is having reception problems.
My iPhone friends have told me for years how they loved Pandora. Was happy to see it was now available on my BOLD with my AT&T carrier. Was disappointed when I was told that Pandora did not support Bluetooth and wireless headsets. But found out on Crackberry forum that it is possible to get it on wireless HD headsets. The best thing is I can have my Garmin mobile GPS on my car stero, then open Pandora or Slacker and the directions will be heard over the music. And, believe it or not, all applications will shut down while receiving a call. Life is good with my BOLD.
Billy Squier??
I've been using both Pandora and Slacker but now I mostly use Pandora only. Pandora's songs selections are way better and I rarely have to skip songs. I like Slacker's cache feature and stations selections but now I just create a lot of stations on Pandora and they play exactly what I like to listen to. And for the cache feature I don't really mind because I sync my BlackBerry with my iTunes and my iTunes collections is extremely large.
"You can pause the song and you can skip to the next song - there is no limit to skips on Pandora."
Sorry to be bearer of bad news, but Pandora does have the same 6 song skip limit that Slacker does. You may not be using 6 skips an hour though, which would be a good thing.
Also, the issue of wifi, 3g and edge don't really apply to Slacker because of the cache option. If you are listening to a cached station then your signal doesn't matter, the station is not streaming.
Slacker should also get a point, IMO, for allowing you to see the next artist playing.
I tried them both and both played well. I agree with the writer of this post about the featurerich Slacker app. But folks, I have a Blackberry with tons of apps on it. Running already on the edge of manageable memory Slacker is an absolute No No. With 1.2 MB memoryusage it's hardly something for a BB. Pandora only needs 350 kb and gives me pretty much the same musicchoices.
As to not working properly if not using to WiFi, I never had a problem. My Pearl is not WiFi capable and there may be an occasional "hick" in the stream but that happens rarely (at least with Pandora, Slacker was more demanding).
So, Pandora is the undisputed winner in this contest !
Booo to no content availability in Canada. This is why the RIAA must die and burn in hell.
Music is global!! Cultural borders are a thing of the 19th & 20th centrury.
Canada and the USA listen to the same damn music! Sign those liscences already so we can also enjoy this great content.
I hear this on my Storm as well, which doesn't have WiFi. It's the only radio/audio app I've used that has this problem, so I do not think it's the hardware but the software.
Slacker would NOT load on my Curve, no matter how many times I uninstalled/reinstalled, edited permissions etc. Pandora worked like a charm and I'm surprised at how great it sounds with absolutely NO skips or lags! It works perfectly for me, so I will be sticking with it.
I attempted to use FlyCast at one point, but the pauses and skips were too much to deal with. I don't get great reception at my apartment, but Pandora works so wonderfully here. LOVE IT!!!
I'm new to Slacker but my Pandora stations are easy to define from web with enough artist to make a non-repeating compilation. I do miss the web features when using the BlackBerry.
Slacker locked up on my brand new 8330 BB requiring power down to escape so I'll stick with Pandora which loads and exits quick & clean without a nag screen to buy 'radio plus' like Slacker.
doesnt work for the 8220
Although I like both Slacker and Pandora, I've found that both get repetitive if you listen for a while. (Besides, Pandora's not working on my 8820 yet.) For those reasons I prefer moodio.fm, though I know that's an altogether different application. I've also been trying live365.com's blackberry app, and so far am really liking the variety.
I'm glad we have choices!
When looking at these two apps, I ended up loading Pandora. This was mainly due to the file size of each app. My 8830's memory is valuable, and taking away 1.2MB for Slacker woul dhave just been too much. Pandora's smaller file size works well with my BB.
Maybe when the Niagara finally makes it to market, I may try Slacker. :)
I had slacker for a while and it was a memory hog. It would always studder when switching songs and take about 30 seconds or so to finish buffering. The only reason I had it was because slacker wasn't available for my curve. I have been honing my pandora stations for a while and the day it was released, I dl'd it. I never have a problem with stations (except at work-but we have horrible reception in the building). And there is no lag when starting a new song. Pandora and iheartradio along with my sd card allow me all the music I want. Pandora will never leave my phone.
I had slacker for a while and it was a memory hog. It would always studder when switching songs and take about 30 seconds or so to finish buffering. The only reason I had it was because slacker wasn't available for my curve. I have been honing my pandora stations for a while and the day it was released, I dl'd it. I never have a problem with stations (except at work-but we have horrible reception in the building). And there is no lag when starting a new song. Pandora and iheartradio along with my sd card allow me all the music I want. Pandora will never leave my phone.
I had slacker for a while and it was a memory hog. It would always studder when switching songs and take about 30 seconds or so to finish buffering. The only reason I had it was because slacker wasn't available for my curve. I have been honing my pandora stations for a while and the day it was released, I dl'd it. I never have a problem with stations (except at work-but we have horrible reception in the building). And there is no lag when starting a new song. Pandora and iheartradio along with my sd card allow me all the music I want. Pandora will never leave my phone.
I've always liked Slacker, and now have a good set of custom stations that I don't want to recreate. But someone I work with found that Slacker didn't do a good job of music discovery with the music he listens to, so he uses Pandora.
I think it almost completely comes down to personal preference.
Definitely Slacker! Since it doesn't work on the 95xx series yet. And nice job on the Red Sox launcher! GO RED SOX!!
I've been using Slacker on my Pearl since it came out, and was very excited when Pandora entered the scene. I also believe there's a very noticeable difference in quality, but I believe it to be opposite from the reviewer. Slacker sounds much clearer and more defined to me, Pandora sounds very compressed and undefined, I think I can actually hear the compression artifacts. I even pulled up the same song in both players using the custom station features - Pandora sounded very muffled compared to Slacker.
There is no comparison between the sound quality of Pandora and Slacker on my Verizon Pearl 8130. Pandora has a severely restricted stereo sound stage - its almost mono. The sound of cymbals is harsh and unforgiving. I really can't listen to it. Slacker sounds open and airy in comparison.
Unfortunately Slacker does not perform as well as Pandora - it seems to make my phone unstable. And it often pauses for 10-30 seconds between songs, or stops a song early which I hate.
Neither is that good because of these problems.
I use my phone ALL the time driving out of the city, on the ski slope, hiking, etc... where there there is no data connection, for that matter no cell connection. Without caching, you simply cannot listen to streaming internet radio period. Caching allows you to listen to you tunes anywhere, anytime. If you want or need to listen to your music this way, only Slacker will give it to you. End of debate.
Orrrrrrrr you could just put a few hundred of your favorite mp3 on that memory card you are caching on.
The issue about sound quality won't matter all that much if you're just listening on your handheld device. You probably won't notice it at.
Nice article, I'm listening to Slacker on my Storm right now!
By personal comparison / usage over T-Mo / both the 8320 and 8100, I prefer Pandora over Slacker. Pandora has the least amount of buffering time, doesn't chop up as bad, doesn't take 2984792849287492729378 years to load, and the quality of what I'm looking for is great.
Slacker is great on the computer, but not on the phone. Pandora has two good marks against it, so you know what I'll pick first.
(note: this was MY personal opinion.)
Not only does Pandora have better sound quality, but it also chooses better quality music most of the time. As reviewed, most people will skip songs Slacker puts in your playlist because they are irrelevant to the chosen station. Pandora creates smarter playlists, albeit from smaller pool, but still is the winner here.
I am addicted to Slacker only because there is no Storm version of Pandora (yet). Anyone know when they are going to release a Storm compatible version?
I enjoy the configuration and selection of Pandora on my PC so I would hope it would be similar on the Storm...
When I have slacker installed on my Storm, it makes the camera on not useable? Sup with that??
who thought Pandora sounded better. I thought I was imagining thing.
i can't really say which is better because they do not make Pandora for Storm, which is beyond me since it is the Hot new product on the scene.
The algorithms are entireley different: Pandora analyzes THE SOUND of a particular track, then matches it with similar SOUNDING music. Slacker will match an ARTIST with SIMILAR ARTISTS (i.e. similar genre). I find Pandora's set-up more preferable most of the time. For example: You enter Jay-Z, or Notorious BIG, you'll get those artists..and then Fat Joe, and Ja-Rule as well?. Anyone who knows Hip-hop, knows that Fat Joe and Ja-Rule's music is nothing like BIG or Jay-z's. I put in Tito Puente, and Gypsy Kings are in Q?! Slacker merely matches general genre, and doesn't pay attention to, seemingly, to tonality, style, even sound!
I use to use slacker all the time and loved it but when pandora came out i loved it as well.. i use slacker when iam at work or working out bc the melody of the music changes so often....from fast to slow....i use pandora when i go to sleep bc the music from stations i choose have the same melody and the tempo stays the same on all song.... so in my eyes they are both awesome in my book.
I would like to take this time to appolgize to my fell crackberry member for the triple post. I was using my phone and it gave me no indication my reply was being posted. I would click post reply and it would just sit there.
Sorry once again.
Gotta go with Slacker by far. I loved it but anxiously awaited Pandora to see what all the hype was about. I found that the Pandora was better for listening to the exact song you were looking for, but Slackers mix was far better expanding the variety of music. To echo what everyone else has said, the cache feature is great. I can cache 25+ stations on an 8gb card(like $10), with loads of other stuff loaded as well. So basically, I can listen to whatever genre I want regardless of wifi or cell service. Both great apps and free, rendering my ipod obsolete.
I LOVE MY SLACKER....I USE IT ALL DAY AT WORK AND WHEN I DISCOVERED I CAN CACHE THE STATIONS I WAS SOLD BIG TIME...I CAN HEAR SLACKER WHILE IN THE SUBWAY!!
pandora is best for my 8330. i tried slacker and it's too slow, and yes, it does freeze up a lot. the graphics on slacker is cool, but just like the name, "slacker" it does slack on streaming. its just too slow. Pandora is the way to go!