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Posted by dpeters11 Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

That they don't even let BES users with Tx2 know, I don't see this changing. But would be appreciated!

 
 
Posted by AJMetal87 Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

Probably not gonna happen. Although it would be convient, it would probably not be in 'their' best interest.

 
 
Posted by a2thed Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

Jebus, you're starting to lose me. First, I've got to deal with the snail crawling network of AT&T and now this? Take care of your consumers and they will take care of you!

 
 
Posted by Jemstone24 Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I would check around for a 3G network in your area, utilize your BB to the fullest!

 
 
Posted by The Beer Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I have to confess I came here FIRST to see what was up, shocked there was no story I submitted it... About a hour into the outage.

It was like 3+ hours into the outage before CB posted anything, people had to be sending in news tips as I know I did.

I love your blog and I assume you were in the cold like everyone else but I was starting to think you did not report it to keep on the good side of RIM...

 
 
Posted by Snipes Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

Lol nice loaded poll.

 
 
Posted by metal_wraith Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

A state page or something would be nice I'm sure for a lot of users. Then that way nobody would be badmouthing RIM for service issues.

 
 
Posted by Snipes Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I always imagine a simple website address (namely http://status.rim.com/bis or http://status.rim.com/bes) with a huge light on it with a black background that's either lit RED, YELLOW or GREEN to indicate the status of the each network, with a short description of what's going on. Simple and informative!

FEEL FREE TO TAKE MY IDEA, RIM!

 
 
Posted by Cool Breeze Cafe Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

yes i believe rim should offer status notification because it keeps me from waisting valuable time calling verizon only to find out that system are down.

 
 
Posted by ifraser Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

Orange UK was down most of this morning, good day to bring this up.

 
 
Posted by jayhammy Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

Interesting that BES isn't affected. I was getting ALL my work emails throughout the afternoon and evening, but my personal emails never came through. I wish it had been the other way around! lol

 
 
Posted by edanklefs Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

The reason I have a BB is because of the "Bullet Proof" fast email delivery. It would have been nice to have had a warning the system was going to have issues. I depend on my BB for business, and I almost lost some business because I did not see an order that was emailed to me on my BB. Luckily I was in front of my PC and saw the email, or I would have lost $$. RIM, please do server maintenence late at night, or let users know if there will be service outages.

 
 
Posted by RedBank Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

you really shouldn't even have to poll a question like this...it should have been implemented from the beginning...500k customers or 5m...

i know it is a little tricky bc its not a universal thing when there is an outage...but a nice fyi would be nice.

heck...Kevin/CB should be paid by RIM for letting US know...he is saving RIM and (insert carrier here) phonereps countless hours of phone time that can be used for other cusotmer needs

 
 
Posted by applejosh Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

On one hand, if RIM published a record of every outage, it just wouldn't look good. However, maybe then they would build a little more redundancy into the system. On the other hand, if RIM published a list, then they could control the news event rather than have the rampant speculation by non-knowing sites and individuals paint what is usually an inaccurate picture. Personally, I always felt that being open, honest, and communicative with my clients helps to stem any bad feelings resulting from downtime. Most people just hate not knowing.

 
 
Posted by jspidey Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I think it should have been implemented from the start, especially since they started off with a business customer user base. Now as the subscriber base has grown it should be important to keep the users informed even if there are those who do not rely on the service for their daily life (like me), there are still plenty that do. I would have to be easy for them to just send out a message via BBM if email is down, or via email if BBM is down. Regardless, they could have a page that is dedicated to the health of their services. It would be beneficial to have any planned maintenance should be listed here as well.

Like others have said, this would alleviate many calls that are going to carrier call centers so the reps can take care of "real" issues. But I don't agree with those who say people wouldn't badmouth RIM for the issues: people will still rant about the problems, but at least they will be more informed.

 
 
Posted by Sam K Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

Not only should RIM let us know when there's an outage (due to a problem) but they should also let us know when the BIS will be down for scheduled maintenance. There are times when they're upgrading the BIS or whatever and they don't even bother letting customers know ahead of time.

 
 
Posted by ZSnowAngel Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I screwed around with my curve ALL DAY yesterday thinking it was my phone and not the system itself.

 
 
Posted by Xopher Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

If there is an outage, how will the messages get to your BB?

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

Can somebody please explain to me what the differentiations are between BB Connect Devices; Blackberry Devices; and BB Built-In Devices as delineated in the diagram with the story?
PIN: 31e686d7

 
 
Posted by bmike-vt Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I'm wondering if Googles GMail app (not the 'enhanced' version connects directly to the Google servers and sidesteps BIS...?

One could then route email through GMail and use the app. I know there are other issues - but if it sidesteps RIM in times of outage I could check in on my 3 other accounts and still see email.

I had web and was fine browsing. Email wouldn't come or go.

 
 
Posted by StormBerryCracked Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

Having worked for one of the large wireless providers as a RIM liason, I can tell you that a notification system would become overwhelming. I would receive notifications from RIM regarding service outages that would affect as little as 5% of our userbase several times a day, and this was only on our network. The problem was, there was no way of knowing which users were affected. If RIM were to push this information out to everybody, it would quickly fill inboxes and make them look like they were having major issues when in all actuality, only a few people experienced the outage. I don't think the benefit outweighs the cost. If they were to implement this, there were definitely have to be a lower threshold on the number of users affected.

 
 
Posted by DrewDT Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I agree that it would be overwhelming to receive messages whenever there are outages, especially since we in theory won't be able to get those messages anyway because of the outage.
But why not have a website (like a previous poster suggested) i.e.(http://status.rim.com/bis or http://status.rim.com/bes) with status indicators and regions/carriers affected?

Also, an 800 number to call that has a recording to report system outages (My cable company has this and it saves me from using their tech support and wasting each other's time).

This seems to be a basic customer service issue that should be implemented to preserve customer loyalty and satisfaction.

 
 
Posted by Jemstone24 Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I do data tech support for a cell carrier, and a major issue we run into is whenever we call RIM to report an outage/issue, they deny the problem until we have so many incidents that it's become major! If they just take the initial incident and research it, I believe some of these outages can be headed off!

 
 
Posted by Switcher Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

just this morning the same happened over here in Belgium.
The whole country could not get/send email.
The problem was solved rather quickly, but yeah, it would have been a cool idea if we could check on line if there is a problem instead of calling support (like I did.)

 
 
Posted by crazy canuck Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

no system has 100% uptime, no one is expecting that. 4 or 5 nines would be good enough. so send us a note

@xopher - how would they notify us? just send all BIS users a PIN message, very simple. The PIN infrastructure has nothing to do with the BIS infrastructure.

@AgentScribe - BlackBerry devices are manufactured and branded by rIM, hardware an dsoftware. BlackBerry Connect devices are other manufactureres hardware (nokia, samsung etc) who have OEM'd the BB handheld code and write their own apps like mail, calendar, contacts etc. to sit on top of the BB transport mechanism. BlackBerry built-in devices are other manufactureres hardware with the BB kernel. ie a screenscrape of what you would see on a BB running in a window of the other manufacturers phone.

@bmike-vt the BIS web browsing infrastructure and the mail polling infrastructure are different at RIM. Obviously the mail part was affected while the browsing infrastructure was not

 
 
Posted by ranger_gm Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

I was going crazy wondering what was wrong with my BB yesterday. I figured it was a carrier problem.

 
 
Posted by MobileMadness002 Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 988 days ago

RIM notifies the carriers, who in turn should notify their customers. I have received many internal notifications of RIM maintenance planned outages and upgrades. And no, we do not notify our customers because they don't need to know unless it affects them.

Unplanned outages are just that, unplanned. How can we get notification if the outage is unplanned. For common sense being so common, why is there so little of it?

 
 
Posted by skygear Friday, Sep 11, 2009 987 days ago

again you said it yourself... you work for a carrier... a mass SMS could be sent the systems are different and seperate

 
 
Posted by Crashdmmy39 Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 987 days ago

Most industries notify their paying customers when there's a service CRISIS! If most of you out there are like I am, my BB is an essential part of my day. It would be really nice if RIM would give us some type of heads up if there seems to be a service CRISIS!

Thank you

 
 
Posted by electricgamer Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 987 days ago

I will not look @ RIM in any negative way when it comes to status notifications, in fact I will applaud them and suggest others to do the same. Technology is still young and there are bound to be instances from time to time where we cannot access our service that we paid for.

Love ur Blackberry!

 
 
Posted by feetr2c Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 987 days ago

How could they send us a notification if the service is out?

 
 
Posted by skygear Friday, Sep 11, 2009 987 days ago

a mass SMS

 
 
Posted by acherman Thursday, Sep 10, 2009 987 days ago

We rely on the BIS emails to deliver impoprtant alerts regarding our own corporate network (500+ users). Yesterday when we expected to get a couple of alerts during UPS maintenance we were worried to find that we were not getting any of our alerts. Our carrier has a horrible reputation for SMS delivery (delayed, multiple duplicates, lost in cyber-space, etc), so we switched our alerting to email to take advantage of the reliability. I would love a PIN message telling me there are BIS issues and not to worry. ;-)

Can I vote multiple times? haha

 
 
Posted by OverByter Friday, Sep 11, 2009 987 days ago

Yes, definately. While I am subscribed to DataOutages that is second hand info, much better from the "horses" mouth.

 
 
Posted by skygear Friday, Sep 11, 2009 987 days ago

i read on a german site it was planned the service ticket was posted and everything.... ...speculation... mabey there getting ready for the bis update and the 5.0 os & bbm and the mass influx of mac users in the VERY near future

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Posted by nikkie Friday, Sep 11, 2009 987 days ago

Working for a wireless carrier, I agree it would be nice to have some form of notification.. We just file tickets to our network or escalate to rim until we are notified there is an outage.

It seems this happened roughly 90 days ago, and both times a mass group of people with hotmail had to revalidate their accounts. I wonder if this was the culprit yesterday.

and yesterday at least for our customers (vzw) it was just email and access to our bis site, didn't effect data. so depending on the issue would determine if RIM could send a notification.

I've also asked why we don't offer recordings when calling into us about outages, and the answer I received is we don't want to give the impression to our customer we are used to outages and people would rather speak to another person... i mean think about it, how many people bypass the recording if youre calling about trouble with your phone to call from another phone and then get upset at us because we can't troubleshoot it while you're talking on it...

Sorry, i could go on all day with this....

 
 
Posted by CatAlex Friday, Sep 11, 2009 986 days ago

great idea. i think this would be very good to have.

 
 
Posted by Pete6 Sunday, Sep 13, 2009 985 days ago

If the network is down, how ya gonna get a message through?

 
 
Posted by smousse Monday, Sep 14, 2009 984 days ago

The problem you describe really is that the mobile networks should be more aware that there's an outage to enable them to cascade the relevant info to you. Lets encourage RIM to collaborate better with the mobile networks so they actually do have the full story when I feel the need to call in to confifm that there is a BIS issue.

Not sure how you propose that RIM get a message to all of their users.

Is this really an issue anyway given that you already accept that "RIM's statistics for having the service available still remain a highpoint for them"? Must have been a quiet news day to dream this problem up?

 
 
Posted by rocmon Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 940 days ago

Huh, and I thought you guys knew your stuff here at crackberry - the RIM network is never down... the outages you guys are off about are all carrier issues... the RIM outage a couple years ago was a one time event which can no longer occur!

How about all those carriers with their throttling - no chance they could possible cause issues with their connectivity to the RIM network huh...