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Posted by VoltaicShock Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

Really wish AT&T supported this.

Especially since we get free access to all AT&T hotspots.

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

I agree. Get with the program AT&T

 
 
Posted by WraythOSU Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 1177 days ago

AT&T plans to use femtocell technology to provide in home extended coverage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtocells or http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/154187/femtocell_faq_time_...

Personally I think this is a dumb move, but that's where they are headed. UMA is a much better way to go since you can tap into any WiFi, and not just places that have a Femtocell AP

 
 
Posted by Paul Mon Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

Any rumors about the Bold supporting UMA? I was disappointed after getting my Bold that it wasn't supported; especially considering all the other Wifi enabled Blackberries support it.

 
 
Posted by Queen4111 Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

"You could cut down your 1500 minute plan to say a 300 minute plan, pay the extra $9.99 per month, and call from anywhere in the world for free, when connected to WiFi".

That's exactly what I did.

 
 
Posted by driphter Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

not surprised. we are always left in the cold. VZW treats us like redheaded step-children.

 
 
Posted by fonewiz Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

I am currently using ATT because I had to have the Bold but I will soon by going back to Tmobile for many reasons.

I do think that ATT has the best network coverage without a doubt but they suck in so many other ways.

I had a short run with Sprint which was OK but they still can't compete with Tmobile overall.

My data speed is not as good with Tmobile which stinks but the coverage isn't bad, you can roam to ATTs network anyhow in most areas so...

Tmobiles customer service rocks! Pricing Rocks! Myfaves rocks!

UMA is just another reason why I will go back to them.

Now if I can just decide if I want to try to unlock my Bold and force it on to Tmobile or if I want to wait for the Javelin or a Tmobile Bold or??? Arrggg!

 
 
Posted by pltaylor Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

If only it were truly seamless. I drop the call EVERY time when on a UMA call going to EDGE. Going from EDGE to UMA is fine though.

 
 
Posted by ganns1980 Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

For the most part it is seamless. It may be your OS, I know some beta 4.5 releases had a lot of issues with UMA/EDGE transitions.

 
 
Posted by Craig Johnston Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

Thanks PLT.

I have been using UMA on T-Mobile for a long time now, pretty much ever since I could get the 8320.
I have done many tests switching back and forth between WiFi and EDGE and found that it is flawless. The times it becomes a problem is when the device runs out of memory (memory leak or otherwise). Then for some reason, the switching breaks down.
As someone else pointed out, early versions of OS 4.5 had issues, and being someone who loves the bleeding edge I upgraded and saw the UMA suffering. However T-Mobile's official release fixed all of that.

 
 
Posted by SLVR6 Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

That bad still PLT? You need a Curve with 4.5.0.102 on it.....best UMA performance yet!

 
 
Posted by GaDgEtMoN:) Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

The concept is great but here in Canada with Canada's only GSM provider (Rogers) it doesn't work the same.

For one they charge $15.00 cdn. for unlimited local calling and $20.00 for unlimited usage in Canada only.
The sad part to this is they IP block usage outside of this country making this feature less valuable. :(

 
 
Posted by Craig Johnston Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

Really?
That's pretty nasty of them.

Anyone else have carriers that do IP blocking?

 
 
Posted by YS Friday, Nov 21, 2008 1176 days ago

It could probably work if you have a Canadian based corporate VPN.

 
 
Posted by telejeff Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

Craig, proof read your post again. It's full of typos. Nice article.

 
 
Posted by Craig Johnston Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

Well I found 3. Not too bad.
Glad you liked the article.

 
 
Posted by mlb1906 Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

UMA is the absolute best. I love it and will wait for any new Blackberries to hit Tmob so I can get my WIFI and my UMA.

 
 
Posted by skindoc Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

I'm torn. UMA works fine (the dropped calls are annoying, but it's such a cool feature). In 2 short days, the Storm will be out. My whole family uses Verizon and no one has any problems whatsoever with voice call quality. Do I switch? Goodbye to myFavs? Goodbye to UMA? Goodbye to my Curve's physical keyboard? Hello CDMA and EVDO rev A? Can I handle the touch screen? (I have an iPod Touch for music and my massive photo album, but really don't send out emails on the thing even though I can). Ugggggh...

 
 
Posted by dabodog Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

I've had two 8320's with either 4.2.2 or 4.5 OS and neither has worked without issues. I had a T-Mobile tweaked router and calls were dropped all the time while I was less than two feet away. Techs were no help. I had hoped that 4.5 would have cured the woes, but no such luck. I find the 8320 useful, but as a UMA phone, it is less than useful. Even with four bars on EDGE, calls drop for no reason... the dreaded "call failed" pops up without reason and the phone is useless for several minutes, all the while showing four bars. Very frustrating...

 
 
Posted by captionmidwest Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 1178 days ago

UMA holds great promise, but at this moment it simply does not work. I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile primarily on the strength of the UMA promise. We could never get even the newest routers to work reliably with our five Curves. We bought one of the T-Mobile Linksys routers and things seemed to improve. The new Blackberry OS seems to have helped as well. But the T-Mobile router does not support N.

Some days the audio quality would be wonderful and the next day unusable. And forget about switching back and forth between UMA and the T-Mobile Edge network, the call just drops. Period.

The T-Mobile tech support people are doing their best, but I get the feeling even they know there are real issues. I will stay with T-Mobile while the work out the issues. Any way you figure it T-Mobile is way better than Verizon, both in price and support.

But while UMA promise is great, the current performance is far from it.

 
 
Posted by skindoc Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 1177 days ago

Craig, has anyone figured out how to use UMA on unlocked smartphones (like the iPhone, the Bold, or the Treo Pro) running on T-mobile? This would appear to be the ultimate: a smartphone with 3G capabilities and Wifi. The coverage possibilities are essentially endless. Thanks.

 
 
Posted by Maggard Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 1176 days ago

UMA has to be 'baked into' a phone. It requires specific hardware be implemented that simply doesn't exist on non-UMA devices. So no matter how slick your WiFi-enabled phone is it can't be converted over with a firmware (re)flash or whatever.

So no, you won't see UMA on your iPhone, Bold, or Treo Pro unless a special hardware manufacturing run is done for a UMA-supporting carrier. Sans a hardware encoded-GSM-to-WiFi data path it just ain't gonna happen on your existing hardware.

That said UMA is a must-have feature for me. My home is below the level of the local terrain and there is simply no cell service to my little no-bar-blob on the coverage map. But with my WiFi access point upstairs and a UMA-supporting-phone I'm in 5-bar heaven.

Same when I'm traveling - so what if my ski lodge is on the back of a mountain, as long as it has WiFi I'm golden. Same for deep inside buildings - no need to loiter out near a window, just get on the office WiFI.

As to handovers - I dunno what sad phones some folks are using but my 8120, 8220, & 8820 all switch between WiFi & cell without a hiccup (as long as there is cell service to switch to!)

 
 
Posted by mypaints Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1172 days ago

Sorry,all the help forums are down at the moment and I just need some quick help.. How do I put this SD memory card in my curve? I can get the card in but then the black cover thingy won't latch down... Please Help! Thanks

 
 
Posted by rogrwi1co Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 1126 days ago

What's the difference between the two? I read that almost all WiFi enabled phones can support VoIP calls, but not necessarily UMA. Can UMA equipped phones support VoIP calls too?

 
 
Posted by soo007 Friday, Mar 06, 2009 1071 days ago

Its just like a VoIP phone. Has anybody tried an unlocked Bold with T-mobile? RIM states that the Bold supports UMA. Someone tried making UMA call from a different country with no problems?

 
 
Posted by sherbert Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 1109 days ago

I might have posted this in the wrong place previously but I wanted to know if UMA is available in the UK - I have a bold, which I don't think supports UMA but if it were avaiable in the UK on Vodafone, I might consider swapping to the 8900.

 
 
Posted by Robert Duncan Friday, Apr 10, 2009 1036 days ago

I agree that UMA is a great solution: a WIN-WIN for Consumer and Operator. Femtocells are coming as well, but for now, UMA has the edge. For a considering using , here's a comparison of UMA (T-Mobile) vs. Femocell (Sprint):
http://imcellular.org/2008/11/08/comparing-femto-vs-uma-service-sprint-a...

Anyone interested in pimping out their UMA service should check out the section of my blog dedicted to FREE enhancements:
http://imcellular.org/tag/home-service/

Robert
http://imcellular.org

 
 
Posted by jaygolds Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 863 days ago

Is there a way to use UMA service without having a WiFi connection?

I work in a building with terrible cell coverage and without wifi. I have internet access on my PC and would love to be able to utilize the UMA functionality by some other method - USB, bluetooth, etc.

Any suggestions?