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Posted by Dimietriev Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I was wondering when we were going to see this.

"I'm left with warm fuzzy feelings towards Palm", heh, on some podcast Dieter made you out to be some smartphone hater. Glad to see you're not.

 
 
Posted by yankees9920 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I have no idea how you got by typing on those tiny buttons. They seem fit only for a fingernail!

 
 
Posted by tech42er Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

THIS! I saw someone typing on a Centro today and I just could could not help myself, so I went up to him and asked how the hell he used the plasticky buttons!

 
 
Posted by Cancunlover Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1170 days ago

Well, you still have that little stylus thingy to write on your touchscreen. LOL! As if...

 
 
Posted by Fruit1580 Wednesday, Dec 31, 2008 1134 days ago

hahaha I agree! too small

 
 
Posted by Demetris Friday, Jan 02, 2009 1132 days ago

I'm a newbie on the blackberry and so far, the Treo's keyboard is at least as good or better then the BB.
Of course, give me time & I'll get used to the BB keyboard.
They look tiny, but they work VERY well!
Been using Treo for two plus years.

 
 
Posted by STYLN Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

so it sounds like the Palm wld b an ideal fone for someone with a lil above average tech skillz...maybe an IT guy? Meh...sounds cool, but like u said, out of the Box the Bold does more easier...and that workz 4 me! Now wheres that free BOLD at? lol

 
 
Posted by Demetris Friday, Jan 02, 2009 1132 days ago

Yes, excellent choice.
I'm in IT, for the past 25 years and been using Treo for the, more then 2 years.
Also, keep in mind, it comes with a terminal services client.

 
 
Posted by sandydurst Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

of the Palm. The BB has a much sleeker look and as a former TREO used I agree about the stylus 0 it's a pain. I did like the ability to "check off" multiple e-mails and delete with one touch. The BB delete after a certain date feature isn't always practical.

Sandy

 
 
Posted by chopsticks Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Kevin that was great! I agree with you about the stylus. I mean come on Palm those are useless and cost an arm and leg to replace. But I am glad that Palm has come a long way to get to where they are today. Can not wait for the G1 review!

 
 
Posted by fcortese Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

My VZW upgrade is due in March of 2009 and I am exploring which phone to switch to. Presently I am using a Treo700p. I really do not need to check email on the run since I have access to multiple computers during my work day and of course at home. PC's at work, Macbook Pro at home. So I am exploring different smartphones-Bold, Storm, Treo Prom etc. I am a physician and depend mainly on making phone calls to offices, pharmacies,etc. So an address book to keep these contacts is critical. I also use ePocrates to access medication information, hence my initial purchase of a Palm Treo. I occasionally will text message a colleague or one of my kids. So I guess I fit in the "stop and use" category.I try to bluetooth it when driving and while working in the hospital. This smartphone round robin and crackberry.com (my daughter turned me onto your site)has and continues to be very helpful and your main advice as to having one figure out what exactly he or she needs out of a smartphone is spot on. Keep the information flowing. Thanks.

 
 
Posted by BBpixie Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Reading your post on the Treo and I've tried it which belongs to my friend, I stick with Blackberry still cause it fits me. Whenever my husband asks me to fix whatever the problem is with his Treo, I try to avoid doing so and would simply give my blackberry to him to get a hold of someone! I hope to win this Bold, so I can get him to chuck the Treo and pass my curve to him to welcome him into the BB world! ;-) Please help me!! Looking at him using the Treo drives me nuts! (He's hard of hearing/deaf, so am I. I rely on my BB so much daily for both business and pleasure.)

 
 
Posted by Clinton Mikhow Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I hate the new Treos that keyboard is way worse than you made it out to be. It is literally impossible to type on.

Love Live the Bold.

 
 
Posted by Cmikhow Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I forgot to log in before I posted above...

Whoops.

 
 
Posted by G0D114 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

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Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by BB_Fire Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1169 days ago

It looks better than the previous model but still needs to be made more professional in my opinion.

 
 
Posted by DawnGP143 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

A friend of mine has one. I tried the keys and couldn't make a word come out right with them being so small and cramped.

 
 
Posted by cexshun Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

One thing I noticed about WiMo was the secondary cost to get the device customized to my liking. To get my old Mogul even semi usable, I spent $200 on add-on applications not including games. My Curve, $45.

WiMo likes to half implement ideas, and in order to get the full functionality, purchase a 3rd party plugin. File exploring is a perfect example. You have the WiMo super basic file browser, but to do anything useful, go buy Resco File Explorer. Windows Media Player super basic, need to upgrade to Kinoma. Not to mention must haves or the device will blow up at every opportunity, like Mem Maid. And the list goes on.

 
 
Posted by es_bih Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1170 days ago

200 to spend on apps for a HTC made PDA? Wow man, I have a TyTN and I spent 0 to customize it to the way I want. It is called Xda Developers, and it makes every app HTC has available, etc...

As far as the keyboard, well that is the antiquated PDA keyboard that is part of the OS, and you know this OS is not only Palm specific, many other PDA's w/out a keyboard have it, and essentially this is a PDA or Pocket PC with phone capabilities versus the non-touch screen Windows Standard that is more comparable to Blackberries.

The keyboard however is different on the HTC touch, Diamond, etc... and essentially is as usable and intuitive as I-Phone's or the Storm's.

 
 
Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by jgraffis Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I totally agree with you about the stop and go nature of other smartphones. I carried a Treo 650 for a while and it was the same way. I don't think I could ever go back to Palm, and I can't wait to get my hands on a Bold!

 
 
Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by bg0508 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Does the Palm Pro with the newest WinMo OS still crash as often as previous versions??

 
 
Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by Strhessed Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

My 8 year old would have a tough time typing on that !!

 
 
Posted by HuskyHawk Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I was looking forward to this, and the philosophy portion is actually the best part. I'm a BB user, never had a WinMo phone or an iPhone. I'm drawn to WinMo for all it can do, but I can't pull the trigger. Your "on the go" philosophy is my experience exactly. I haven't been in a Starbucks in 6 years. I don't sit around surfing the web on my phone. I use it to make calls and check e-mail when I'm away from my PC, and maybe do some browsing while in the passenger seat on long drives. In short, while the iPhone is cool, I don't know what I'd use it for. WinMo devices are more in the middle.

 
 
Posted by tech42er Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Absolutely. At times, I feel VERY envious of WinMo smartphone users who basically have a minicomputer in their hands but then I remember I could easily just use a dumbphone and I shouldn't be comparing my beloved Curve to a wanna-be UMPC, but something like an enV2. I could never integrate a WinMo smartphone into my life as well as I could the BB.

 
 
Posted by royk Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I always used to want a Treo, before I got my BlackBerry, but I'm still happy with my decision.

 
 
Posted by EtherealLover Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

WinMo is trying to crank it up I see!
Great review Kevin!

 
 
Posted by dionysos Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

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Posted by bkim10 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Thanks for the great review. I agree about the awkwardness of the three input methods. Palm should concentrate on one input method and optimize it. The keyboard is too small to comfortably use, the screen is too small to use your finger to touchscreen, and the stylus is a pain. When I tried it, I kept fumbling around trying to switch back and forth between one or the other.

 
 
Posted by es_bih Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1170 days ago

Like I said it is there for other phones/ pda's, see the OS is essentially the same across the board, hence the ability for intuitive apps, etc...

WinMo Pro is the same on all PDAs, no matter h/w keyboard or not. I got a slider qwerty TyTN or ATT 8525, with a touch diamond keyboard which is thumb friendly and I use w/out having to slide the full qwerty in the car, on the go etc.. when I do not need long messages.

 
 
Posted by Kronk Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I've never used a Palm smartphone, but was a big fan of the Palm OS back in the non-phone PDA days. Nothing will tear me away from my Bold, but I would like to see a new Palm OS replace WM6.1

 
 
Posted by isamu Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I thought the Treo Pro looked nice until I saw it in the store. I like the layout of the 800w alot more then the Pro and in general would put that at the top of my WinMo list of business phones (they all pretty much rank below the Bold). For more of a casual user, the new line of HTC phones (Diamond/Raphael) are nice but I still feel like its a constant struggle to get the thing to do exactly what I want which is exactly the opposite of what I feel when using an iPhone.

 
 
Posted by laurenmac Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I must admit the Treo Pro has some slick hardware, but I definitely need an on the go phone like the BlackBerry Bold! I hate using my boyfriend's iPhone! The wow factor is gone and it's pretty much a glorified iPod.

 
 
Posted by laurenmac Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I must admit the Treo Pro has some slick hardware, but I definitely need an on the go phone like the BlackBerry Bold! I hate using my boyfriend's iPhone! The wow factor is gone and it's pretty much a glorified iPod.

 
 
Posted by crashdavis Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Looks like I went the right way with the BB.

A Storm or Bold would be great.

 
 
Posted by webbie128 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Thanks for the review Kevin.
I still some warm fuzzy for the Palm.
But still a crackberry addict for life!

 
 
Posted by jordanbarsuk91 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

what device is next on the list?

 
 
Posted by jnieves Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I don't like how it looks.

 
 
Posted by Sidehatch Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I currently rock a SCH-i760 upgraded to 6.1. I had an HTC Touch before that for 30days... I've used treos since the 300 up until my 700p died. Great article on the pros and cons of WM as well as the new treo form factor. (Not a fan) I just got my tracking number for my delivery of the Storm on the 25th. I can't wait to be a BB convert.

 
 
Posted by biclocal Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

doesn't look like too bad of a phone...crackberry is much more addictive tho...haha

 
 
Posted by Xopher Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Having come from a Windows Mobile format before acquiring my Blackberry, I could comprehend a lot of what you wrote. I think there are things that work well in the WinMo environment, and some things I would love to see RIM add (such as alternative locations for installing applications, file explorer...).

I definitely have to agree. WinMo is more of a stop-and-do-something interface. I love the diversity of applications, the familiarity to PC/Windows interface, but using my BB on the go just is so much easier.

 
 
Posted by rrrebo Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I was contemplating a Treo when I saw my first pre-release ad for the Curve. I was a Nokia fanboy, and I would have preferred the Palm OS to WinMo at the time. The Curve changed all that, and now I can't imagine using anything else.

 
 
Posted by PRIMECHUCK Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I wasn't able tolog in yesterday soI missed an entry day but I'm here now so here is my entry to win the BB BOLD. I need to read about the TREO soby for now.

 
 
Posted by Navan Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

When I first decided to go smartphone I tried out three- the Palm Centro, Apple iPhone, and then finally the curve.

I can see the lure of the Palm...but the keyboard was shit. It took so much effort to push those tiny buttons...and we all know the iPhone is just crap. Long live my curve!

 
 
Posted by cjcarbone Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

I had pretty much every other palm that was available on AT&T, and as soon as i switched to the 8310, i couldnt believe how i got by previously. Although the only thing i miss is the SMS threading.

 
 
Posted by Turk54 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1171 days ago

Once again, a great review, especially the the philosphical issue of smartphone usage (i.e, on-the-go vs. stop-and-use). As a previous WinMo user (and now a Blackberry convert sporting a Bold), I couldn't agree more with the issues with the Treo & WinMo. I can tell you that being able to quickly review a message one handed while at a traffic light (never while traveling at 65 mph) is a breeze on the Blackberry compared to attempting this on a WinMo device. First of all, if you have fat thumbs like I do, trying to hit the screen correctly is almost impossible, and if you use the scrolling features of the phone, the trackball has it beat. If you have to quickly reply, you can't do that one handed with the Treo's keyboard and end up with a decipherable response. If you have to resort to the stylus, you are definitely two-handing it, and God forbid the thought that you have to use the stylus for a long response because hand cramps start to develop within a minute or so. The Blackberry Bold's keyboard layout is great and my mistake ratio is getting less and less as I get more acustomed to it. There are some things that WinMo has that I truly like (ActiveSync for one), but overall the Blackberry philosophy has it beat - hands down!