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Posted by Dimietriev Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I was wondering when we were going to see this.

"I'm left with warm fuzzy feelings towards Palm", heh, on some podcast Dieter made you out to be some smartphone hater. Glad to see you're not.

 
 
Posted by yankees9920 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I have no idea how you got by typing on those tiny buttons. They seem fit only for a fingernail!

 
 
Posted by tech42er Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

THIS! I saw someone typing on a Centro today and I just could could not help myself, so I went up to him and asked how the hell he used the plasticky buttons!

 
 
Posted by Cancunlover Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

Well, you still have that little stylus thingy to write on your touchscreen. LOL! As if...

 
 
Posted by Fruit1580 Wednesday, Dec 31, 2008 1241 days ago

hahaha I agree! too small

 
 
Posted by Demetris Friday, Jan 02, 2009 1238 days ago

I'm a newbie on the blackberry and so far, the Treo's keyboard is at least as good or better then the BB.
Of course, give me time & I'll get used to the BB keyboard.
They look tiny, but they work VERY well!
Been using Treo for two plus years.

 
 
Posted by STYLN Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

so it sounds like the Palm wld b an ideal fone for someone with a lil above average tech skillz...maybe an IT guy? Meh...sounds cool, but like u said, out of the Box the Bold does more easier...and that workz 4 me! Now wheres that free BOLD at? lol

 
 
Posted by Demetris Friday, Jan 02, 2009 1238 days ago

Yes, excellent choice.
I'm in IT, for the past 25 years and been using Treo for the, more then 2 years.
Also, keep in mind, it comes with a terminal services client.

 
 
Posted by sandydurst Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

of the Palm. The BB has a much sleeker look and as a former TREO used I agree about the stylus 0 it's a pain. I did like the ability to "check off" multiple e-mails and delete with one touch. The BB delete after a certain date feature isn't always practical.

Sandy

 
 
Posted by chopsticks Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Kevin that was great! I agree with you about the stylus. I mean come on Palm those are useless and cost an arm and leg to replace. But I am glad that Palm has come a long way to get to where they are today. Can not wait for the G1 review!

 
 
Posted by fcortese Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

My VZW upgrade is due in March of 2009 and I am exploring which phone to switch to. Presently I am using a Treo700p. I really do not need to check email on the run since I have access to multiple computers during my work day and of course at home. PC's at work, Macbook Pro at home. So I am exploring different smartphones-Bold, Storm, Treo Prom etc. I am a physician and depend mainly on making phone calls to offices, pharmacies,etc. So an address book to keep these contacts is critical. I also use ePocrates to access medication information, hence my initial purchase of a Palm Treo. I occasionally will text message a colleague or one of my kids. So I guess I fit in the "stop and use" category.I try to bluetooth it when driving and while working in the hospital. This smartphone round robin and crackberry.com (my daughter turned me onto your site)has and continues to be very helpful and your main advice as to having one figure out what exactly he or she needs out of a smartphone is spot on. Keep the information flowing. Thanks.

 
 
Posted by BBpixie Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Reading your post on the Treo and I've tried it which belongs to my friend, I stick with Blackberry still cause it fits me. Whenever my husband asks me to fix whatever the problem is with his Treo, I try to avoid doing so and would simply give my blackberry to him to get a hold of someone! I hope to win this Bold, so I can get him to chuck the Treo and pass my curve to him to welcome him into the BB world! ;-) Please help me!! Looking at him using the Treo drives me nuts! (He's hard of hearing/deaf, so am I. I rely on my BB so much daily for both business and pleasure.)

 
 
Posted by Clinton Mikhow Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I hate the new Treos that keyboard is way worse than you made it out to be. It is literally impossible to type on.

Love Live the Bold.

 
 
Posted by Cmikhow Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I forgot to log in before I posted above...

Whoops.

 
 
Posted by G0D114 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

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Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by BB_Fire Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

It looks better than the previous model but still needs to be made more professional in my opinion.

 
 
Posted by DawnGP143 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

A friend of mine has one. I tried the keys and couldn't make a word come out right with them being so small and cramped.

 
 
Posted by cexshun Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

One thing I noticed about WiMo was the secondary cost to get the device customized to my liking. To get my old Mogul even semi usable, I spent $200 on add-on applications not including games. My Curve, $45.

WiMo likes to half implement ideas, and in order to get the full functionality, purchase a 3rd party plugin. File exploring is a perfect example. You have the WiMo super basic file browser, but to do anything useful, go buy Resco File Explorer. Windows Media Player super basic, need to upgrade to Kinoma. Not to mention must haves or the device will blow up at every opportunity, like Mem Maid. And the list goes on.

 
 
Posted by es_bih Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

200 to spend on apps for a HTC made PDA? Wow man, I have a TyTN and I spent 0 to customize it to the way I want. It is called Xda Developers, and it makes every app HTC has available, etc...

As far as the keyboard, well that is the antiquated PDA keyboard that is part of the OS, and you know this OS is not only Palm specific, many other PDA's w/out a keyboard have it, and essentially this is a PDA or Pocket PC with phone capabilities versus the non-touch screen Windows Standard that is more comparable to Blackberries.

The keyboard however is different on the HTC touch, Diamond, etc... and essentially is as usable and intuitive as I-Phone's or the Storm's.

 
 
Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by jgraffis Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I totally agree with you about the stop and go nature of other smartphones. I carried a Treo 650 for a while and it was the same way. I don't think I could ever go back to Palm, and I can't wait to get my hands on a Bold!

 
 
Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by bg0508 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Does the Palm Pro with the newest WinMo OS still crash as often as previous versions??

 
 
Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by maverick262 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

It looks like the Treo Pro isn't a bad device, but still lacks in terms of it being a premier smartphone. I still would NEVER give up my blackberry

 
 
Posted by Strhessed Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

My 8 year old would have a tough time typing on that !!

 
 
Posted by HuskyHawk Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I was looking forward to this, and the philosophy portion is actually the best part. I'm a BB user, never had a WinMo phone or an iPhone. I'm drawn to WinMo for all it can do, but I can't pull the trigger. Your "on the go" philosophy is my experience exactly. I haven't been in a Starbucks in 6 years. I don't sit around surfing the web on my phone. I use it to make calls and check e-mail when I'm away from my PC, and maybe do some browsing while in the passenger seat on long drives. In short, while the iPhone is cool, I don't know what I'd use it for. WinMo devices are more in the middle.

 
 
Posted by tech42er Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Absolutely. At times, I feel VERY envious of WinMo smartphone users who basically have a minicomputer in their hands but then I remember I could easily just use a dumbphone and I shouldn't be comparing my beloved Curve to a wanna-be UMPC, but something like an enV2. I could never integrate a WinMo smartphone into my life as well as I could the BB.

 
 
Posted by royk Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I always used to want a Treo, before I got my BlackBerry, but I'm still happy with my decision.

 
 
Posted by EtherealLover Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

WinMo is trying to crank it up I see!
Great review Kevin!

 
 
Posted by dionysos Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

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Posted by bkim10 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Thanks for the great review. I agree about the awkwardness of the three input methods. Palm should concentrate on one input method and optimize it. The keyboard is too small to comfortably use, the screen is too small to use your finger to touchscreen, and the stylus is a pain. When I tried it, I kept fumbling around trying to switch back and forth between one or the other.

 
 
Posted by es_bih Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

Like I said it is there for other phones/ pda's, see the OS is essentially the same across the board, hence the ability for intuitive apps, etc...

WinMo Pro is the same on all PDAs, no matter h/w keyboard or not. I got a slider qwerty TyTN or ATT 8525, with a touch diamond keyboard which is thumb friendly and I use w/out having to slide the full qwerty in the car, on the go etc.. when I do not need long messages.

 
 
Posted by Kronk Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I've never used a Palm smartphone, but was a big fan of the Palm OS back in the non-phone PDA days. Nothing will tear me away from my Bold, but I would like to see a new Palm OS replace WM6.1

 
 
Posted by isamu Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I thought the Treo Pro looked nice until I saw it in the store. I like the layout of the 800w alot more then the Pro and in general would put that at the top of my WinMo list of business phones (they all pretty much rank below the Bold). For more of a casual user, the new line of HTC phones (Diamond/Raphael) are nice but I still feel like its a constant struggle to get the thing to do exactly what I want which is exactly the opposite of what I feel when using an iPhone.

 
 
Posted by laurenmac Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I must admit the Treo Pro has some slick hardware, but I definitely need an on the go phone like the BlackBerry Bold! I hate using my boyfriend's iPhone! The wow factor is gone and it's pretty much a glorified iPod.

 
 
Posted by laurenmac Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I must admit the Treo Pro has some slick hardware, but I definitely need an on the go phone like the BlackBerry Bold! I hate using my boyfriend's iPhone! The wow factor is gone and it's pretty much a glorified iPod.

 
 
Posted by crashdavis Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Looks like I went the right way with the BB.

A Storm or Bold would be great.

 
 
Posted by webbie128 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Thanks for the review Kevin.
I still some warm fuzzy for the Palm.
But still a crackberry addict for life!

 
 
Posted by jordanbarsuk91 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

what device is next on the list?

 
 
Posted by jnieves Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I don't like how it looks.

 
 
Posted by Sidehatch Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I currently rock a SCH-i760 upgraded to 6.1. I had an HTC Touch before that for 30days... I've used treos since the 300 up until my 700p died. Great article on the pros and cons of WM as well as the new treo form factor. (Not a fan) I just got my tracking number for my delivery of the Storm on the 25th. I can't wait to be a BB convert.

 
 
Posted by biclocal Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

doesn't look like too bad of a phone...crackberry is much more addictive tho...haha

 
 
Posted by Xopher Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Having come from a Windows Mobile format before acquiring my Blackberry, I could comprehend a lot of what you wrote. I think there are things that work well in the WinMo environment, and some things I would love to see RIM add (such as alternative locations for installing applications, file explorer...).

I definitely have to agree. WinMo is more of a stop-and-do-something interface. I love the diversity of applications, the familiarity to PC/Windows interface, but using my BB on the go just is so much easier.

 
 
Posted by rrrebo Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I was contemplating a Treo when I saw my first pre-release ad for the Curve. I was a Nokia fanboy, and I would have preferred the Palm OS to WinMo at the time. The Curve changed all that, and now I can't imagine using anything else.

 
 
Posted by PRIMECHUCK Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I wasn't able tolog in yesterday soI missed an entry day but I'm here now so here is my entry to win the BB BOLD. I need to read about the TREO soby for now.

 
 
Posted by Navan Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

When I first decided to go smartphone I tried out three- the Palm Centro, Apple iPhone, and then finally the curve.

I can see the lure of the Palm...but the keyboard was shit. It took so much effort to push those tiny buttons...and we all know the iPhone is just crap. Long live my curve!

 
 
Posted by cjcarbone Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I had pretty much every other palm that was available on AT&T, and as soon as i switched to the 8310, i couldnt believe how i got by previously. Although the only thing i miss is the SMS threading.

 
 
Posted by Turk54 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Once again, a great review, especially the the philosphical issue of smartphone usage (i.e, on-the-go vs. stop-and-use). As a previous WinMo user (and now a Blackberry convert sporting a Bold), I couldn't agree more with the issues with the Treo & WinMo. I can tell you that being able to quickly review a message one handed while at a traffic light (never while traveling at 65 mph) is a breeze on the Blackberry compared to attempting this on a WinMo device. First of all, if you have fat thumbs like I do, trying to hit the screen correctly is almost impossible, and if you use the scrolling features of the phone, the trackball has it beat. If you have to quickly reply, you can't do that one handed with the Treo's keyboard and end up with a decipherable response. If you have to resort to the stylus, you are definitely two-handing it, and God forbid the thought that you have to use the stylus for a long response because hand cramps start to develop within a minute or so. The Blackberry Bold's keyboard layout is great and my mistake ratio is getting less and less as I get more acustomed to it. There are some things that WinMo has that I truly like (ActiveSync for one), but overall the Blackberry philosophy has it beat - hands down!

 
 
Posted by Aspyred Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Wow, that Skyfire really pumps out some complete webpages, hey? While I am a Blackberry fan, I do love the familiarity and formatting of some of those WinMo screens.

 
 
Posted by Hcastillo Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

To me the device itself is very nice, it's the operating system that suck's.

 
 
Posted by isaacleese Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

The turnoff for me is the tiny keyboard. Kev's right, the on-screen keyboard is a joke, and the physical keyboard feels really small.

Windows Mobile isn't as bad as it's made out to be, though. On the right hardware (read: Touch Pro/Diamond/HD) with a 3rd-party UI, WinMo is great. The big thing WinMo has over BBOS is 3rd-party app support.

 
 
Posted by ingrassia Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Was that a stylus again? What year am I in?????

 
 
Posted by wcihlu Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

is there any more rumors of the next gen bold? u kno touchscreen with full QWERTY? can we expect it to be somethin like dat palm with a stylus?

 
 
Posted by E Pow Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I love the look of Palm phones, i just hate there OS. Both WinMo, and Palm OS are horrible. I've had 4 Palm Treo phones and all 4 had the exact same issues (OS, Battery life, unstable)

 
 
Posted by talljason Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I've always liked palm PDA's and the OS but thought the Treo was to chunky, so it's good to see the Treo's get smaller (though their narrowness is not so coo)...

I just wonder with Kev's "on the go" vs "stop and use" what pros should the device bring to someone's daily routine to be an asset. For sending a lot of e-mails a Blackberry would be great...but if someone just wants to get on the internet, the iPhone seems better.

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Really? You couldn't abridge the review on the front page?

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Opps, my bad. I clicked on the wrong link on Google.

 
 
Posted by Jwolf854 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Great review. If I were not a BlackBerry lover, it would definately be something to consider. I do a lot of typing on my 8330 and am quite quick with it. On the Palm though, the keyboard just feels cramped and I always seem to hit like two or three letters at a time; just doesnt really work for me. Curious to see what Palm has instore for the future both hardware and OS wise.

 
 
Posted by DavidJ Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I think the explination of "on the go" and "stop and go" has opened my eyes.

I have had a blackberry pearl for a few years and just upgraded to the bold. I am thinking of getting an iphone instead because of the tweaking and playing which can be done with a jail-broken iphone.

I now have a reason to re-consider.

 
 
Posted by sarfrazfamily Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

wow never thought I'd be saying this about a palm but that is a nice looking device. My first internet phone was a Palm Treo I LOVED it, picked it over the BB actually. lol!! But after about 7 months it started giving me trouble. I always missed that phone. not enough to go back to it though lol!! but it was nice to get information on the newer version. thanks for this.

 
 
Posted by seankir79 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

The Treo is a little too much what not and what have you for me....Bold all the way

 
 
Posted by jimmytop Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

I get what you're saying about speed typing, but I don't care about speed typing as much as I care about compactness. I love the Palm Centro, which has an even smaller form factor than the Treo Pro, because the Palm Centro is so small. I can type with two thumbs on the centro and I'm pretty good at it. But I would agree that you would win any speed typing test. Still I'd take the centro or the pro over some bulky device that lets me type faster.
There's only one thing keeping me from getting a Pro - Windows Mobile! The power hungry beast eats any benefit of compactness by sucking battery life like it's water.

 
 
Posted by Clintonde Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

at least it looks pretty good.. imo

 
 
Posted by Kaje202 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

It doesn't look too bad but I would really hate to reach for a stylus all the time.

 
 
Posted by seankir79 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

The Bold Rulz!!

 
 
Posted by justdigphones Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

After your long winded explanation on last years round robin on the all touch vs no touch I would have thought the windows mobile guys would have tried to get you one or the other. I know this is the "Palm" device but with the Fuze on the way I don't see you looking forward to the next windows device.

 
 
Posted by snowwrite Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Most of my associates think iPhone is the bomb. I don't know why. I've seen it, touched it, played with it and it just doesn't "affect" me the way the Blackberry does, it looks like a phone a professional woman would carry. A sexy professional woman, that is. That said, I respect Palm for this new smart phone. I've had Palm PDA's in the past and they've treated me pretty well. That was before Blackberry strolled into my life. I'm hooked.

That said,

Great job on the review, Kevin. I know it's hard to be without your Blackberry, it must have been really tough, did you cry? I would have cried, but I'm a fluffy-sissy-girly girl so that's about normal.

Thanks for the great work. You keep me coming back (that and the fact that I'm addicted)

 
 
Posted by PhilR8 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

It's a multimedia phone - certainly not something tailored for corporate productivity. I think the Bold is probably the best device in this respect: stylish, quick, efficient, but without sacrificing the "on-the-go"-ness.

 
 
Posted by geek Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

For me, the Palm is way too small in both the keyboard and screen.

 
 
Posted by Daidumbace Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

This would be the device for me being a primary Windows user. Even in my media player I have a linux like os going. So the winOs plus the compact size makes it very attractive phone but small things like the keyboard size and application use just make any berry look better and better.

 
 
Posted by jbonnot03 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Good Job Kevin!! I didn't see anything about battery life. Did I miss it or was it a non-issue. I know on my previous 680, I had trouble with battery life, so I was wondering if this was fixed in the new treos.

 
 
Posted by JSho101 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

But it fails in comparison to the BOLD!

 
 
Posted by bB03 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Good review! If I don't switch to Death Star Mobil I actually might take a closer look at future Palm devices. Maybe I can also hope for a non-windows OS for future Palm's.

 
 
Posted by chakejaam Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

i think the bold looks a lot sleeker than the treo. the keyboard and all on the bold makes look so god dam sexy!

 
 
Posted by .M.E. Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

looks pretty good .. but i left palm a long time ago .. and i dont think ill be going back ..

 
 
Posted by Nujra Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Does anyone feel the Treo Pro is worth $549 retail? The Storm is cheaper than that, and the Bold is at the same price point. However, lacking the OS we have all come to love, is the Pro worth that much over some sort of HTC device running Windows mobile?

 
 
Posted by ems2857 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

It might be nice... but it's no bb bold!

 
 
Posted by PanaSama Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Great review Kevin having used one of those myself i think you did a fair job at describing is pros and cons, i really beleive that the whole idea behind Windows mobile is very cool, but like you said many of us need that on the go user experience that only blackberry devices give, people have been critizicing RIM os for so long about being old but honestly while it could be improved it is the most efficient smartphone os that there is out right now.

 
 
Posted by mbdonnelly Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

"Is this software keyboard for real??" don't think I can go back to the Palm after I started using BlackBerrys.

 
 
Posted by blackout626 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Sister has this phone. She still likes my Curve 8320 more tho!

 
 
Posted by trpdnabx Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Great Review!! I don't ever see Palm coming close to the Blackberries OS! The Bold is the best avaialble at this time!!!

 
 
Posted by ElDudeorino Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1278 days ago

Lots of info.

 
 
Posted by sdlphotography07 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I am glad you were able to go through and find both pros and cons on this phone in a through test. It helps us all as smartphone users make better choices in choosing are smartphones. I can't wait to see what the G1 has in store.

 
 
Posted by BBRealtor21 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Nice review, and I agree BB is definitley an on-the-go phone. Stoplights, commercials, elevators, waiting for top ramen, in the can...whenever you need it, you just roll the trackball(or hit the screen for the new Storm owners). I don't think I could now get used to a stylus.

 
 
Posted by lifeinview Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

the only thing that I kept around from my old Palm was the stylus...the little screwdriver inside is handy. Otherwise, it was terrible.
I love my BB!

 
 
Posted by kristins Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I want a Bold!

 
 
Posted by st6868 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Great commentary on the two different uses; I fall very distinctly in the middle. I don't need a BB, but I'd rather what I do be as efficient as possible. I'm switching to a BB for that reason. If I'm going to Stop and Use, I'd rather use a computer.

 
 
Posted by RustyKnuckles Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I like the small phones but your right the Treo does look a little to small for me....and WINMO scares me!@

 
 
Posted by JoshuaExline Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I know it's hard for a certified Crack(berry) Head such as myself to consider that there are smartphones out there that I would ever consider using instead of a blackberry.

So, with that in mind....

There are VERY few phones that have that non-blackberry "wow me" factor that would EVER make me even consider moving away from my Curve (and, eventually...hopefully...a Bold) and initially the Treo Pro seemed like a phone i'd be intersted in using. I could ramble about specs and the like, but what it boils down to when it comes to the Treo Pro is all the HORROR stories i've heard over the years from a lot of Palm Treo users.

More or less (and this is FAR from scientificly proveable or 100% accurate) but i'd say it breaks down like this:
For ever 1 problem i've had out of my Berry, Treo using friends of mine have had 5 similiar (or worse) problems out of their device.

I guess what it boils down to, for me, is before i'd EVER consider using a Treo Pro, Palm would have to overcome a HUGE stigma that I have ingrained in my mind about their devices.

/just my 2 pennies

 
 
Posted by Paminablue Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

At risk of being beaten to death by this crowd, which seems to universally despise the stylus, I feel like I have to stand up for the thing a little. There's nothing better than a stylus for precision work on the touchscreen. It's all very well to have big, finger-friendly buttons for launching apps, but a stylus comes in very handy for detail work like cutting and pasting, getting right to a particular spot in a document, and (very important) playing solitaire. And clearly I'm in the .1% minority on this, but I can absolutely fly typing with a stylus on the teeny tiny onscreen keyboard. I guess that's left over from the good old Palm Pilot days. Also, for those of us with tiny hands and fingers, the keyboard works just fine (and I'd take your typing challenge, Kevin! I bet I could give you a run for your money on the pro...:)

None of this is to say the Pro is a perfect device, far from it, and obviously the Bold has alot to recommend it. I'm just saying, there are some things like the stylus that we old-school Palm people actually want, so Palm is really catering to its loyal base, I think, by continuing with some of those classic features. But it's really useful to get an outside perspective on the whole package, so thanks for the thoughtful, informative review!

 
 
Posted by Freeon Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Back in the 3Comm days Palm was the best! I had a Palm3 and loved it.

I had a Treo 680 for a very short amount of time and didn't like it.

Now I have a BB Bold and love it! Now I just need another one for my wife :)

 
 
Posted by jcicora Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I agree with the button's comment...I have troubles as it is with the Curves buttons, those on the Treo look way too small

 
 
Posted by scboatman Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Just drop the Palm and run outta there!!

 
 
Posted by ReccaKun Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

wish there was a final video thoughts on this stuff.. but otherwise never thought palm would be that impressive.

 
 
Posted by tjk Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

LOL stylus + onscreen keyboard

 
 
Posted by choual Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I personally think that phone looks very childish and cheap, two thumbs down!

 
 
Posted by tnewton3 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Getting as many entries as possible. Woot.

 
 
Posted by ecooper11 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Please pick me to win the Bold!

 
 
Posted by maxcarter Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER CHANCE FOR A FREE BOLD

 
 
Posted by yoyobo Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

skyfire, hopefully that will be an option for blackberry one day.

 
 
Posted by truckdrivinchefnet Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

this is a really cool site, and my cat's breath smells like cat food!

 
 
Posted by StevieC Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Eh.....sweet stuff, but im stickin with my blackberry.

 
 
Posted by myt_mouse Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I really hate the look of that device. Palm should really look into getting some better design consultants!

 
 
Posted by esaiBB Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Used to have a Treo but have moved up in life, to a Blackberry.

 
 
Posted by njgsregal Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Thanks for the good info... it looks like the BOLD is better for me since I prefer the feel look and way it works. Thanks again for the great review...

 
 
Posted by Queen4111 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

If there were no BB's, I would get a Palm.

 
 
Posted by Rochester Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Black Berry is overrated and cultish just like the I-Phone. Besides, who wants a phone like all of our idiot congressmen, President, etc.

Now how's THAT for going against the grain of this thread?!

-THP

 
 
Posted by wmp.dll Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I really like the look of the Palm. But then again I'd really like a Blackberry Bold :)

 
 
Posted by dmnall Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Did you have any lockups on that Palm Pro?? They are not bad phones well the 680 sucked badly but the windows mobile is not that bad, just not my cup of tea for using a BB for the past year, I cannot go back! I love my bold so far!

Charlie

 
 
Posted by bradley.schubert Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

now what about that nice new Blackberry Bold.....

 
 
Posted by mom24 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I was a Palm person before the treo came outhad my palma nd cell phone wishing someone wouls combine them, Fast forward a few years and someone did just that I wanted a Troe how ever Tmob did not support them anymore by the time I could afford to buy one. SO I went with a BB and have never turned back. A friend of mine was looking at getting a pearl butlet the Sprint dude tall her into the Palm, it is too much phone for her and she is always coming to to me to ask how do I..... I like me BB and will not go back, to many problems she has also has had it replaced three times for problems ( not sure if it was the phone or operator) LOL,

 
 
Posted by fatfat935 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

All of the new Palm phones have that tacky keyboard. How is the screen? Is it the size of the Centro's or larger?

 
 
Posted by ART iBerry Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

i still believe the Bold rules them all!

 
 
Posted by thunder8320 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

That really taught me some cool stuff about the pro but i think that the pro os is better on the palm instead of a wm os :P

 
 
Posted by BBSuperFan Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I cant ever imagine even trying to use that phone! it doesnt look like it was made for people from this planet.I wish you didnt have those warm and fuzzy feelings, it doesnt deserve it!!!BLACKBERRY BOLD allll the way baby! i just wish i had one, looks like im back to working at kingsoopers for the whole summer to get my hands on it. But i love your articles very detailed and interesting!Hey do any other 15 year olds read this everyday?? i hope so!

 
 
Posted by dagda1 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Gotta have it. It is awesome.

 
 
Posted by youngblood154 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

though this phone is more advanced than my curve, i still pick my trusty curve. but a bold would be nice...

 
 
Posted by JackG058 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Although Palm seems to have done a nice job with this device, as a former user of the Treo 800w, I can't see the Treo Pro turning me away from my recent conversion to the BB Curve.

 
 
Posted by MondoRock Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I can't wait until the Bold is available for Verizon.

 
 
Posted by tfrankson Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I never had a windows mobile smartphone, but I think I will stick to bb

 
 
Posted by Hayze Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Treo's are not my thing, I respect you for trying it out with an open mind (whether you liked it or not, haven't read the review yet just wanted to comment here before I read it, since I will probably forget to comment after I read it) and not going back to your blackberry. I wouldn't be able to give up my Curve for a Treo.

 
 
Posted by ChillFactorz Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

If I wanted a Palm I would be a Palm forum right now, Harrypalms.com or RosiePalmer.com. By the way, typeing on a touch screen just don't do it for me.

 
 
Posted by wantmesomeblackberry Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

plz :)

 
 
Posted by PittsDriver Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Its the only treo I would consider.

 
 
Posted by mila620 Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

that on screen keyboard is hideous, i just got a sharp pain through my body....

*shivers*

is it even necessary?

anyhoo, what happened to the palm os??? it still boggles my mind that the palm has a windows mobile os..

 
 
Posted by infotechanalyst Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I used to have the 700P which i liked but its huge and now behind in the world of smart phones. I now have the storm which i love and am getting used to hoping for that update. I looked at the Pro but couldnt get those buttons down even after having the 700P for 3 year. Wish they would just stop making phones and just use rimm phones and there palm software, not window. Just my thoughts.

 
 
Posted by DocInCO Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Is it better than a Blackjack?

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

My Motorola V551 stuffed away in a box is better the BlackJack.

Great review of the Treo pro Kevin, but at the end of the day it's still WinMo.

 
 
Posted by cole.maher Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

I've always thought that the keyboards on palm products were a little too crammed together to be comfortable...

 
 
Posted by blackmannx Monday, Nov 24, 2008 1277 days ago

Palm used to be a love of mine... till they got lazy and stopped improving on their products.. The they jumped in bed with Windows mobile and stopped making THEIR product better.. Rim keeps pushing and responding to market trends..

 
 
Posted by vinsideguy Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

I always tell people that the biggest reason why I don't like touch-screen devices is the "chopsticks with rice" hold: holding the device in one hand with the stylus in the other hand. I rather prefer the "Blackberry Prayer" hold to the later any day.

 
 
Posted by trvincanity15 Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

I would love to see a Treo Pro/Next Gen Palm Device running this new OS Palm has been working on. Just can't mess with Windows Mobile...

 
 
Posted by joygasm310 Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

Get on it RIM. If the Bold had that, id be in heaven.

 
 
Posted by Rockdog97 Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

from a past Treo 650 user, and now a Bold user, I'd never go back to a palm, not even for this new Pro! Nice phone though, but not for me.

 
 
Posted by thegooz Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

Bold!

 
 
Posted by davidv2003 Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

i have never used a Palm phone before (did have a Palm V for a calendar back in the day) and agree with most that the keyboard looks tough to type on.

 
 
Posted by Omahahaha Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

This has a stylus but since it is WinMo there is none of the Palm Graffiti writing that I actually enjoyed. Maybe they included it cause those buttons are so darn small. If not for BlackBerries, I still don't think I'd go with this one.

 
 
Posted by Milt10 Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

I switched from the Treo family to Blackberry earlier this year. I did not see anything in the blog that would make me want to go back. The stylus alone is enough to make me run the other way.

 
 
Posted by Kaje202 Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

seems weird to call it a palm without palm os

 
 
Posted by cafe_civet Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

About on the go vs stop and use smartphones. I am trying out an iPhone because I wasn't happy with the Curve, and you nailed down my primary frustration. I don't feel nearly as efficient, but it is a lot of fun....

 
 
Posted by PRIMECHUCK Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

I'm going to follow the BB Bold on the Round Robin and see what the others think.

 
 
Posted by dstrauss Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1277 days ago

Sorry, but that is a killer for me. I went through more Windows Mobile devices than I care to admit and I strongly believe it is NOT a cell phone operating system. It may be a good "shrunken net book wannabe" but compared to Blackberry and iPhone the level of integration and adapability is not even 60% of these two. Size-wise it is a nice device, but if the Curve 8900 had 3g it wouldn't even be an argument.

 
 
Posted by HuskyHawk Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

The piling on WinMo is a bit unfair. WinMo standard works ok. WinMo pro, while offering a touchscreen, hasn't moved on from the stylus days to offer finger friendly icons and menus. I hope that is what we can expect from Microsoft with v7, which I believe the Zune team is helping with. Both can get a little lighter as well. But for functionality, it is certainly more robust than the BB OS, and is less confusing than S60.

The keyboard on the Pro and Centro is really inadequate...Kevin is correct with that. I don't know why they abandoned the "smile".

 
 
Posted by SLVR6 Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

Sounds like it was a good contender in the contest!

 
 
Posted by ElDudeorino Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

.

 
 
Posted by egginator Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

The Treo may be good but it can't compete with a Blackberry! Not unless it sprouted a trackball...and ran Blackberry OS

 
 
Posted by BLUELINE Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

I fully agree a smartphone should be all touch or no touch. Trying to mix the twojust never seems to work. Recently I had the chance to use a palm centro and let me yell you I hateded it. I will be a bb user and yes a apple user for the forseable future.

 
 
Posted by ipsi Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

I don't think you've quite thought through the implications of dropping the stylus. I don't pull it out very often on the Pro, but there are some places where using my fingers will never be a good option unless the screen is too big to fit in my pocket.

Mostly the use I can think of is writing the various Asian characters on the screen. I'm studying Chinese, and there's no way I'd ever want to write out the characters with my fingers, especially not the more complex ones with 20+ strokes. That's just not happening, and I need the accuracy the stlyus gives me.

Dropping the stylus would make me, and a lot of other people in the same position, very unhappy.

So yeah, there are times when you really do need the precision of the stylus. Writing with pens produces something much more readable than writing with your fingers, and the same is true on a smartphone.

 
 
Posted by kristopherpdavis Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 1276 days ago

woot.

 
 
Posted by Stanul Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

I'm a declared WinMo fan.
But Palm with WinMo-doesn't fit ...
On the other hand BB have been pushed by corporations and they are still limited in Multimedia area.

So far doing the "rounds" in Round Robin, I still feel the Fuze (HTC Touch Pro) is the better one.

 
 
Posted by Tpony Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

great Review Kevin I love the round robin reviews. What a great idea. Although I'd absolutely hate to be without my Bold.

 
 
Posted by orangeotis Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

I really like the treo pro's design but that keyboard and windows mobile just kill it for me!!

 
 
Posted by Miz.Michele Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

My friend has a Palm and is definitely jealous of my pearl. The browser and overall functionality is just so much better.

 
 
Posted by neldylah Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

great review! nearly turned me off my bold... *laugh*

 
 
Posted by linkkoriri Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

I just recently got my hands onto one of the Palm Centro's at work. Finally recieved one for sale. So, due to the review, I threw my simcard into it and booted it up. My first impressions, having used a Palm Treo 750w, was the size. Wow has it ever been shrunk down. One thing that really frustrated me, was me not realzing at first it was the stylus, was inserting the SIM card. The damn stylus covers 1/5th of the SIMcard slot, and not knowing to remove the stylus meant me trying to pratically BEND the simcard to get it in there. I had a *hit my forehead in dumbness* when I realized what it was. DEATH TO STYLUSESES!!!

So, I booted it up. It seemed quite fast to start up. And then it hit me, I had a PALM OS Centro. The boring look was just... YUCK. So, gritting my teeth I played. I started pressing things, typing things, and found it was still very quick with it's processes. But, I really want to get my hands onto a Windows Mobile version, see how it stacks up.

Great review Kevin! I look forward to seeing your review on your next device!

 
 
Posted by msblueline Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

OK, this is the way I understand the Round Robin.

One actually sends "their" phone (ie: BB, WM, Palm) to another person for them to play with and write a review.

If this is the case, then my question is this.

Has anyone ever "not" got their phone back?

Kinda like...

I was playing with it at the zoo... oops, it fell in the tigers cage.

Can I get this to work in the middle of Lake Michigan... oops, bloop, bloop, bloop.

Or...

Simply just... oops, dropped it on the sidewalk and it shattered.

Just curious?

msblueline

 
 
Posted by Izzy2k2 Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

Normally on phone sites there are always people unwilling to try anything and bash any other phone that isn't theirs... I love it how you guys are trying new things.
I think, until Palm gets its new OS going, I'll stick with my BB :] .

 
 
Posted by glyoung Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

great review as always

 
 
Posted by talljason Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

fingers crossed :)

 
 
Posted by ElDudeorino Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1276 days ago

.

 
 
Posted by pmjohnson99 Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1275 days ago

Cool review, I always think about the palm stuff, I think it's commendable they keep touchscreens going on QWERTY phones.

 
 
Posted by maxcarter Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1275 days ago

COME ON FREE BOLD

 
 
Posted by PRIMECHUCK Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 1275 days ago

I'm working on winning a BB Bold!

 
 
Posted by jordanmah Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 1275 days ago

hmm, i don't think the palm treo pro looks anywhere NEAR as sweet as the BOLD!

 
 
Posted by maxcarter Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 1274 days ago

FREE BOLD YIPPEEEEEEE!!!!!

 
 
Posted by ElDudeorino Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 1274 days ago

.

 
 
Posted by Mini2Go Friday, Nov 28, 2008 1274 days ago

meh.

 
 
Posted by talljason Friday, Nov 28, 2008 1274 days ago

For the Round Robin - BB Bold!

 
 
Posted by wegonemakeit Friday, Nov 28, 2008 1273 days ago

No matter how you cut this the palm will always be palm. No matter what os it runs it will still not be bold enough to take the bold down, dont get me wrong its a great phone im sure of that but one phone user (this person being from a blackberry) cant smash another phone, it just wont work we all have are likes and loves about what phones we have and use if you give me the palm and thats all i use i would have to start to love it.Blackberry is Blackberry the name it self speaks volume, when you meet someone new at work the bar the club when you pull out your phone it tells a story about you i can pull out any phone in the world and nothing gets a better reaction then a blackberry. Maybe its the name maybe its the icon all i know it that i love it and people love us that have it so im keeping mine and every time a new one comes out im on it cause there is nothing in the world like love.

 
 
Posted by wantmesomeblackberry Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 1273 days ago

is better

 
 
Posted by pinguino1 Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 1273 days ago

Among all types of phones TREO and BB share the same real estate. Small Screen on top small keyboard at the bottom.
Given those limitations the BB comes clearly ahead. - Having said that, The trend is toward touch bigger screens, which reduces the space left for keyboard. So something has to be done tonot be left behind. - Treo has done nothing and BB tried and blew it with the Storm.- So what's left for the future of these two companies? I don't know about the Treo. As for BB... the question is for hoow long can they hang from their corporate tree?

 
 
Posted by l1fe Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 1272 days ago

I don't know if it's because I'm just a barbarian, but I really don't like touch screen devices - especially ones that require styluses because everything is so darn tiny to touch.

 
 
Posted by pinguino1 Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 1272 days ago

I thought this review was done and moving into the G1?
Who's reviewing the G1 this week?
Why thee is not a forum tread like the other sites?

Anyway while here... Is any person with a BB moving to the Treo Pro? Why?

 
 
Posted by KLutes Monday, Dec 01, 2008 1271 days ago

Its good...BUT I WANT A BOLD

 
 
Posted by Paminablue Monday, Dec 01, 2008 1271 days ago

I think choosing between a WinMo phone and a Blackberry is like choosing between a Mac and a PC - it's apples (pardon the pun) and oranges, completely different UI and performance philosophies. I'm a dedicated Treo user but I sure am curious to try a Bold, if only to see what all the fanatic crackberry love is all about...

 
 
Posted by bl4k0p2 Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 1268 days ago

Im not sure that putting out this phone as a "Stop Gap" is the best thing to do. However, from the review it seems like there were dome definite improvements over the 680 i can believe that in this day and time they (Palm) are still packaging a stylus in the phone!!!

I think its just for nostalgia's sake personally, but no stylus will ever be as efficient as the trackball ;)

 
 
Posted by jekyoo_style Wednesday, Dec 10, 2008 1261 days ago

WinMo = UBER FAIL, sooo laggggy.

 
 
Posted by abruenin Saturday, Dec 20, 2008 1251 days ago

I had a Treo Pro for about a week and found that many programs do not work on the unusual display resolution of 320*320

 
 
Posted by akamaru64 Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 1247 days ago

Blah, I've never been a fan of the treo.

 
 
Posted by akamaru64 Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 1247 days ago

Blah. I've just never had good experiences with Palm devices.

 
 
Posted by Train13 Tuesday, Dec 30, 2008 1241 days ago

I havent touched a Palm in a very long time. At my work we had some of the older ones and it was a support nightmare. I never cared for the stylus and this one is no differant it seems. Ill stick with Blackberry, we have moved to Blackberry's at work and I now support 68 of them.

 
 
Posted by seanp666 Wednesday, Dec 31, 2008 1241 days ago

I wouldnt use any device that has a stylus

 
 
Posted by schizo Friday, Jan 02, 2009 1239 days ago

me dont like palm os ;(

 
 
Posted by PanaSama Monday, Jan 05, 2009 1235 days ago

I dont get how peoplo like this phone it looks ugly as hell.