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RIM vs the World - An infographic

RIM vs the World
By Michelle Haag on 20 May 2011 01:13 pm EDT
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A never ending topic of discussion I see on Twitter and the CrackBerry forums, among other places, revolves around which mobile platform is the "best". I really don't believe there is a definitive answer to this question, as what is perfect for me, may not be perfect for you. And there really isn't anything wrong with that. Competition between brands is healthy, and without it, what would drive RIM or Apple or anyone to improve their platform, and keep bringing us the next bigger and better thing? Take a look (after the break) at the infographic that Geekaphone has put together for some interesting, at-a-glance information about RIM in the past and the present, what sets BlackBerry apart from the others, and comparisons between the "Big 3".

blackberry vs iphone

Source: Geekaphone
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RIM vs the World - An infographic

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At the end of the day it's all about what YOU feel comfortable with. I love my BB for the keyboard and BBM, but the #1 reason is because I don't have to worry about charging it every 8 hours

Agreed on all points. And power to the people that favor other operating systems as well. Go with what you love, competition is good, no one needs to go out of business.

the main thing that is hurting BlackBerry today.. is Carriers... AT&T not letting people use blackberry bridge, Skype being offered only on Verizon, OS updates available only with some carriers...

iFans are much happier with being independent of carriers politics...

To hell with AR&T. Their subscribers will jump ship and go to another carrier.

And not to worry. There are over 1 Billion Chinese and over 1 Billion people in India that will be buying RIM's products.

oh ok...you said it by yourself...Greek parents...yes ok he was born in Instanbul alright but because when he was born they had to type him at the birth certificate that he is turkish doesnt mean that he is turkish. a little true and knowledge for the history please.

nationality is not the same as ethnicity but does it really matter? If a Mexican was born in American, he is given citizenship, and recognized as American. If it bothers you that much, call him Greek-Turkish.

In the end the mobile platform you choose is really based on what you use your phone for. If you are going business, Blackberry is the way to go. If you want fun and games, get an iPhone. Android users are basically getting a strong phone with a decent OS and added bonuses.

I do not understand the "iPhones are for fun and games" comments that plague Crackberry. I suspect you've never used an iPhone. I had a Blackberry, and I could get NOTHING done on it. It always ran out of memory, apps took FOREVER to open, the 3 or 4 battery pulls a day, the truncated emails, the image-less emails... the list goes on.

I finally caved and got an iPhone on Verizon. I have never been so productive with a mobile device as I am now. I tap and app and BOOM, it opens. No delay. The App Store has a ton of apps, and most of them are of very good quality - there's an app for every need you may have. I don't get crazy with my iPhone, but between Bento, Omnifocus and the waaaaaay better email system, I get everything done, with ease, on my iPhone that my Blackberry couldn't handle.

The Blackberry is more secure, sure. BUT, the iPhone is NOT just for fun and games. Maybe it makes you feel better about your Blackberry by saying that, I don't know... but you've obviously never tried an iPhone.

I've been a BlackBerry user since 2008, but a Mac/iPod user since 2004, I've had both BlackBerries and iPhone's (including an iPhone 4) and currently rock a Torch.

The iPhone is a consumer device which can be manipulated into enterprise/business usage cases, whereas the BlackBerry is a professional business device that has been modified and adapted to fit both user bases, professional and consumer. While apps like OmniFocus, Things, Bento, Mailroom and TextExpander Touch are great, the iPhone, and all iOS device always have been and always will be consumer devices, first and foremost.

I'm not saying the iPhone cannot be productive for some, but more often than not, the BlackBerry out of the box offers more productivity in core, business features than the iPhone, and this translates to an ability to complete tasks quicker for consumers looking to get on with their lives.

The iPhone has its place, that is undeniable, however for me, a mobile device I use needs to do heavy messaging, calling, calendar and contact management, and be secure, even if that is at the cost of other things. iOS can do it all, but you loose a little bit of the ease of use.

I can sacrafice cool apps like Angry Birds, Bento and OmniFocus, but I can't sacrafice messaging, for me, its as simple as that.

Hi chirmer,

I think the "iPhones are for fun and games" comments are well-based. There are a couple features of BB that make it superior for getting things done than on iOS:

* notifications (including notification Profiles on BB; as iOS notifications suck)
* replaceable battery (when your device is two years old, the iDevice battery is worn down enough that it's a pain without a replaceable battery; brand new it's ok, but not after using it for a while)
* multi-tasking (yes, iOS has task-switching, but it's a real PITA to someone that expects consistent behavior from their multi-tasking)
* keyboard shortcuts (way faster than swiping and tapping all the time)
* email/PIM integration (ever tried phoning a telephone number from an email on iOS, or a web site for that matter?)

Yes, you can get things done on iOS. It's just ain't that magical. Now playing games and movies on iOS, that I do find impressive.

funny enough a good friend of mine who actually just switched to BB from the iphone mentioned those exact same things. It is true indeed!

Depends what BB you had, it is possible you encountered these problems, however if you try OS6, you will be surprised of how much things have changed. I had an iPhone and switched to BB as well, i had a curve, nothing fancy, but emails, messengers and notifications ALWAYS ON was more important than the nice looking apps on an Iphone where Apple charges you for everything... now i own a Torch and now there is honestly nothing i miss from the iPhone... all though i do own a ipod touch for angrybirds... BUT now with the Playbook, everything is EVEN BETTER!!

Which BlackBerry did you have? Some of them - especially the lower end consumer-oriented models - would have better served the company had they not even been labeled "BlackBerry".

I haven't had the issues you describe on BB, but then everyone's experience is different, and I was probably on an entirely different phone model. I did try iPhone... while there are a wide range of apps for all types of use, I really couldn't get past the limiting interface; and the clumsy/roundabout way of doing some things.

That being said, I've used my BB for games as well as business for years...

Dude, HOW IS THE IpHONE BETTER for productivity?
I use gmail, the best consumer email service, and I can't get push email.
My BlackBerry could get push email, along with my Palm Pre and Android!
The calendar is not as easy to use, you have to press the + then set time etc., which precious time, with the BlackBerry, I press the time, fill in the title and fin! It's a small time but I guess you'd care.
There's ACTUAL multitasking, not tombstoning.
It launches apps faster than my iPhone 4, as the 600mhz is enough to keep up with the 1GHz.
And, the antenna actually works! I'm not on AT&T, I'm in Ireland, on Vodafone, in an area of 21.6mbs mobile coverage, and to stop getting it all I have to do is lie down on my bed as usual, and starting reading an article like this one, and BOOM goes the signal. I've had dropped calls, on Vodafone, which is definitely the phones fault as with my 2YR old BB 9500 I could cup it in my hands, hide it behind the bed, surrounded with contains, the phone would get 5 bars 3G(time of the antennagate)
I support the statement, iPhone is just a toy, it's not a productivity phone, I was due for an upgrade and didn't want to wait till september to get the new blackberry, so I got this, which I'll swap immediately, the iPhone is blatantly, CRAP!, no offense, it looks good, but it works crap as a phone.
Posted from my iPhone.

As a network engineer for a company that uses ConnectWise for tickets, it is not possible to use a BlackBerry. It is a life saver to be able to enter time and lookup tickets and enter information about a customer site on my phone any where I am. The company I work for pays for an iPhone or Android phone of our choice, because like most business applications we need to use, they only write mobile apps for iPhone or Android.

Which applications on your phone do you use to increase your business productivity that don't exist on the iPhone? Very, very interested.

I use the RIM made calendar, messages, phone, BBM, etc. Apps. iPhone doesn't have those, and their the ones that actually work.
I ACTUALLY get my emails on time. I ACTUALLY get reception, in the centre of a capital, and most importantly, you are an IDIOT if you think there's only one alarm on the blackberry. (my alarms also don't switch off randomly)

Ok so you don't use any line of business application or anything beyond the basic crap that comes with almost any phone... any phone can do this - the reason I require an iPhone or Android phone is because there is an extremely limited number of applications that I require to do my job on the BlackBerry. No OneNote, no ConnectWise, no anything.

As for receiving Emails on time, I'm connected with Exchange and have never not received an Email on time, my calendar and contacts work perfect as well.

As for alarms, not sure what you're talking about, I used BlackBerry handsets for 6+ years and know what they're capable of and what they're not and they're not capable of doing much (just look at an API comparison and the headache it is to write the apps and you'll see why BB has a lack of applications, among many other reasons... When Cisco and Microsoft and all the other big players are only writing their crap for iPhone and Android you should be suspicious).

One thing you have to give the nod to iPhone: Exchange support out of the box. Most every other smartphone has this, too.
It is inconceivable, and unforgivable, that BB does not have out of the box exchange support.

What a great little timeline/history graphic. I, like the ones before, say each to their own as far as which mobile platform you plunk for but as a previous iPhone user, I do kinda 2nd doubleaa25's comments that the iPhone was a bit more of a toy. Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome phone with beautiful display, gorgeous graphics etc but it just got dull for me and and I wanted something with more functionality and serious email features plus a real keyboard and at the back end of 2009, the Blackberry did it for me.

BB's the way forward for me but seeing Android and iOS up their game even more to the point where I would really like to use certain Android handsets if they had all the Blackberry features in there too, I'm hoping that it will act as the wake up call and catalyst for RIM to improve even further also.

Obama is the first president to use BB or email. But he is also the worst president in US history. Technology doesn't seemed to have helped the messiah

Obama is doing a great job. He is well spoken.
Besides, Presidents don't do any work. It is all done by his team, and the people around him. He is just a spokesperson for his team who gets to ride around in a big plane that uses almost as much gas as my American car.

Leave Mr. Obama out of this. Otherwise, I will PIN him and let him know!

It's funny BB users: "It's what ever OS suits you best."

Apple users: "Apple Apple Apple Apple, did you hear me Apple"

I'm just curious about the market share percentages presented because this is what I found. I've also provided the supporting links as backup.

How can RIM's market share be 52.8% for 2008 when according the the following:

Worldwide: Smartphone Sales to End Users by Vendor
1Q08 - 13.3% see link http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=985912
2Q08 - 17.4% see link http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=754112
3Q08 - 15.9% see link http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=827912
4Q08 - 16.6% see link http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=910112

1Q10 - 19.4% see link http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1372013
2Q10 - 18.2% see link http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1421013
3Q10 - 14.8% http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1466313
4Q10 - 16.0% http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1543014

Based on the quarterly results for 2010 their annual market share is 17.1% not 37.6% as they have it.

1Q11 - 12.9% http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1689814

Q1 2011 percentage of market share was one of the reason RIM changed their outlook.

These number are based on Gartner's analysis. These numbers are published by Fortune Magazine, On CNet, On Dailytech and so on.

Haven't you noticed that we get several reports with conflicting information about market leaders every quarter? They all reflect the biases of the individual companies doing the analysis; and in some cases the biases of those who are paying the bill (as these reports are seldom created for free).

In addition quarterly sales do not equate directly to market share - though over time they will adjust market share up or down.

I think it is because 1 person talks about market share in the United States, and the next guy talks about market share world wide.

But heck. If I had 10% of the work market for something that I sold .... I would be doing daily flips.

Funny how in my circle, i might know about maybe 2 guys who actually own Android phones... most Latin America is Blackberry and if not, iphones or dumb phones... It's just curious to know where all the Android phones are?

I think I read somewhere that BlackBerry was the #1 phone is Brazil and a one of the top phones in South America

Most people I know have either a BB (most popular) or iphone (very close second), and fewer people have either Android or dumb phones. That's in Canada. Maybe Android is more popular in the USA.

I was in Las Vegas last month. All the good looking, sexy people had BlackBerrys.

I saw an iPhone or two .... not many.

In Canada ... all I see is BlackBerrys in the business world. When I ask these people if they would trade their BlackBerry for a different phone, 98% say, "No way, are you crazy. I would never give it up". Now that is loyalty.

Jim, Mike ... you have the go-ahaed to start a cult, and become our cult leaders.

In by admittedly very limited experience, you can only tell the high end androids from dumbphones (looking just at the hardware), if somebody owns a low-Ish end android, you'll probably never realise it's not a regular cellphone with keyboard.

RIM is not a company about to die like some people wish, but as a fan I am disappointed in the very slow pace of the company. I am now researching Android phones because OS7 has no wow factor for me and all I ever hear about the playbook is that it will get better. All I do with my playbook is net surf when away from a PC. I am astonished that RIM acquired so many great companies, with so much talent, yet ever day the competition is leaving RIM behind. I am waiting until summer to see just a small sign that RIM is ready to move forward, if not I will have to keep my 9780 just for BBM and move on. I want RIM to be a better company, but in the end like Kevin said, its a matter of getting what works better for me.

I've had a blackberry since 2000 and throughout the year I've added other devices (mostly for fun, or to see how they compare). I've owned almost every other major phone, I've experienced all the major us carriers for Blackberry and other devices and for me Blackberry does exactly what I need it to do. It's secure, reliable, durable and I enjoy using it. I love the key board. Yeah I've had all the iphones and all I did was end up giving them to my daughter (now she wants the white one). For me the touch screen is a nice feature, but it's just not for me especially on the go or maybe I'm too old for the technology (37). I'm not a gamer (stopped player video games when I turned 19), and I'm not saying the iphone is strictly for games. It's a great device and when it comes to processor, graphics it can't be beaten - yet. I'm betting on Blackberry in the next couple of years to produce some real workhorses that include some of these "luxury features". But for me, I'm an adult and I'm about business and nothing says that more than Blackberry.

I'm in the same boat as you are. There is one thing that an iPhone can do that you forgot to mention. It acts like a phone as well.

Why QNX hits the street in late 2012, it will Blow your mind right out of your head. I work a short distance away from there office in Waterloo, and our company makes deliveries to them on a regular basis. All I can say is that amazing things are going to be happening here. You just need to give it a bit of time.

Both Mike and Jim are down to earth, generous, great business people. They are doing a great job. There is a lot of planning in what they have set out to do. They want to do it right, so people need to cut them a bit of slack and relax.

I have been following Crackberry for a while now and for some reason felt like this would be the first time I would post something. In regards to which is better for what, I truly agree with the concept of personal preference. I started using a smart phone for the first time in 2008 and had a Blackberry 8330. To me it was a huge step up from my old Casio G z’One. But then like many I decided to get an iphone 3GS and have had that for about two years.

In the mean time my job issued me a 8350i, yep the Nextel one. And its great for calls, emails and texting but is horrible for anything else (granted its old technology). The iphone is great for browsing and personal apps (i.e. games food journals ect.) but for me fails as a messaging device. Due to the fact that most of what I do now on my personal phone is calling, emails, texts and other forms of typing; I look forward to the new Blackberry Bold 9930 it will be the best of both worlds, well at least for my world where I don’t need a ton of games or apps.

The Blackberry with its security will probably remain a constant in the corporate world, while the iphone could come to be the norm in small to medium sized businesses that don’t require the security. But if its for a personal phone then it simply all comes down to what you like best. And for this guy, best will be the new 9930 and the ol’ iphone will make a great spare ipod.

I bought an iPod on boxing day. Loaded it up with thousands of apps. Tried each app once or twice. Only bought Angry Birds for $0.99.
That was the only game that I played.
When I heard that Angry Birds will be on my PlayBook in the near future, I stopped using my iPod. I only use it as a stop watch now and then.

I love my Blackberry because I feel it is simply the most secure system available in today's market of smartphones and applications are really useful, the operating system is simply fantastic and intuitive, not to mention the hardware that is surprising me with each new release. I love BBM, and I think the push email incomparable to any other market. For these and other reasons I would not trade my BB for absolutely no other smartphone on the market, unless it be for another BB: D.

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Eu adoro meu Blackberry simplesmente porque sinto que é o sistema mais seguro disponível hoje no mercado de Smarphones, seus aplicativos são realmente úteis, o sistema operacional é simplesmente intuitivo e fantastico, sem contar o hardware que vem me surpreendendo a cada novo lançamento. Adoro BBM, e acho o push e-mail incomparável a qualquer outro do mercado. Por esses e outros motivos eu não troco meu BB por absolutamente nenhum outro Smartphone do mercado, a não ser que seja por outro BB :D.

Which applications do you use that are not available for the other platforms?

Also, currently BlackBerry is the only product to have a known, open security hole that allows remote application uninstallation, all of your contacts being stolen, all of your images stolen, as well as all information stored on your media card. Disastrous! What are you basing your 'most secure system' off of?

hmmm! interesting cause the only flaw i heard of was from this hacker congress they do once a year where they tried to hack all platforms and the guys who were suppose to hack google OS didnt come for personal reasons, iphone got hacked within 6seconds and got ripped of all its informations including passwords, wifi hotspots login, etc. For the blackberry platform, the guys hacked it after a long period of time and they explained that they were able to do it because of the new webkit. Plus they specifically stated that it was very difficult since there is not much to no information about blackberry os infrastructure. And if im not mistaken, Rim said they already plugged that hole. on top of all most people still have lower versions of the BB OS therefore which makes them none vulnerable to these kind of attacks since they dont use the new webkit.

So it would be very interesting to know where you've heard that and if you could provide a link as reference cause i highly doubt that this is accurate information that you r providing on this blog!

The information you just posted is completely inaccurate. The iPhone version that was hacked was out of date and was done on the 2nd day, the same day as the BlackBerry. Please provide references of 6 seconds.

http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/03/pwn2own-day-2-iphone-blackb...

"The iPhone was running iOS 4.2.1, as its software was frozen prior to this week's release of iOS 4.3." and "Demonstrating the significance of the rule changes, however, was the fact that his exploit no longer worked. iOS 4.3 introduces Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR), and his exploit code did not take measures to defeat this operating system protection."

BlackBerry OS 6 lacks any OS security like Data Execution Prevention (DEP) and ASLR, the iPhone and Android devices both use.

Also, here is real information regarding your lies about RIM patching their exploit:

"RIM has arguably made its platform more approachable to hackers and researchers alike. Were it not for this obscurity, the lack of DEP, ASLR, and code signing would leave it easy to attack, with Iozzo describing it as "way behind the iPhone at the moment, from a security perspective."

The attack was demonstrated on BlackBerry OS 6.0.0.246. RIM has shipped a newer firmware since, but Pinckaers has confirmed that the flaw still exists."

RIM has not fixed any of their security problems and are years and years away from all competing platforms' security. This is also demonstrated in their patching procedures which then get pushed to each vendor who takes time to patch exploits, very lengthy process that does not offer real time updates.

So, doesn't this make BB look bad?

Anyway, EVERYONE I know, owns a Blackberry. I know about 5 or 6 people that own and iPhone, and maybe 2 people who own an Android. Seriously.

You know, I think it makes BlackBerry look pretty good; losing just a half-point in market share during the incredible boom years between 2008-10 shows that they are very consistent and have been showing growth consistent with the growing market.

I would be more worried for Nokia.

I see more 'switched on' younger people around me buying BBs these days, the iPhones tend to go to the over 30's brigade who aren't entirely comfortable with computers. I don't know anyone with an Android phone that is really into it.

I would never give up my blackberry for nothing in this world except for another blackberry only because i cant put keyodes for linux programs in my blackberry and i know its not going nowhere cause the encryption and security and the email we at linux get 100 a day maybe more so my berry stays buzzin thats what i like hooking up an iphone to i system always cause problems down the road not saying its not a bad phone but almost every section of the linux foundation have blackberry and they update they (buy the next updated ones that hit the market) my htc evo with the linux kernal is trash on all levels plus they have 40 security problems thats unanswered (but thats they problem) my blackberry hasnt gave me a problem yet and almost every date in my calendar is filled lol i love my blackberry

Having had Macs for years I was tempted to get the iPhone, but always held off because of little glitches would hear about. 2.5 years ago I got a BB and the longer I use it, the more I doubt I can switch to something else. I love typing on the keyboard. Have tried the iPhone and my hubby's Samsung Epic 4G and I just can't get used to it. I listen to the various podcasts about how RIM is behind Android OS and Apple OS but when my emails come in long ahead of my colleagues, and my phone always works and the battery only runs down if I'm on the phone all day, I am reticent to change to something which looks more flashy. I have a MacBookPro and don't need to spend a lot of time on the web, but I need my mail, texting and phone to work 100% of the time. I am looking forward to the 9930 which is coming out soon to Sprint. That's my next phone.

BES vs iPhone - you forgot to add a branch off of the Internet image w/ the javascript that steals your BlackBerry contacts, images, everything on your media cards, and allows remote application uninstallation, etc... from your safe and "secure" phone.

I understand that every platform has security holes, but what we can look at, is how the issue is resolved. What did RIM do? So far, they have not patched the vulnerability, and even if they were to, it would take months for each vendor to pick up the update and release it. With some Android devices and iPhone's we can get patches the moment they come out.

How can a platform boast about security when it takes months from time of development of an update or patch to vendor release date?

PS: Love the BB keyboards, used BBs for years, for personal use and in a corporate environment, but RIM is falling apart (just like their stocks). I am excited for the next version of BB (not 6.1 or 7.0 w/e they're calling it)...

Again i would really like to know where did you get this info!cause the only flaw i heard of was from this hacker congress they do once a year where they tried to hack all platforms and the guys who were suppose to hack google OS didnt come for personal reasons, iphone got hacked within 6seconds and got ripped of all its informations including passwords, wifi hotspots login, etc. For the blackberry platform, the guys hacked it after a long period of time and they explained that they were able to do it because of the new webkit. Plus they specifically stated that it was very difficult since there is not much to no information about blackberry os infrastructure. And if im not mistaken, Rim said they already plugged that hole. on top of all most people still have lower versions of the BB OS therefore which makes them none vulnerable to these kind of attacks since they dont use the new webkit.

So it would be very interesting to know where you've heard that and if you could provide a link as reference cause i highly doubt that this is accurate information that you r providing on this blog!

The information you just posted is completely inaccurate. The iPhone version that was hacked was out of date and was done on the 2nd day, the same day as the BlackBerry. Please provide references of 6 seconds.

http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/03/pwn2own-day-2-iphone-blackb...

"The iPhone was running iOS 4.2.1, as its software was frozen prior to this week's release of iOS 4.3." and "Demonstrating the significance of the rule changes, however, was the fact that his exploit no longer worked. iOS 4.3 introduces Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR), and his exploit code did not take measures to defeat this operating system protection."

BlackBerry OS 6 lacks any OS security like Data Execution Prevention (DEP) and ASLR, the iPhone and Android devices both use.

Also, here is real information regarding your lies about RIM patching their exploit:

"RIM has arguably made its platform more approachable to hackers and researchers alike. Were it not for this obscurity, the lack of DEP, ASLR, and code signing would leave it easy to attack, with Iozzo describing it as "way behind the iPhone at the moment, from a security perspective."

The attack was demonstrated on BlackBerry OS 6.0.0.246. RIM has shipped a newer firmware since, but Pinckaers has confirmed that the flaw still exists."

RIM has not fixed any of their security problems and are years and years away from all competing platforms' security. This is also demonstrated in their patching procedures which then get pushed to each vendor who takes time to patch exploits, very lengthy process that does not offer real time updates.

Stop beating that hollow drum mate. B-Eazy has responded to you twice now (basically called you out as a troll) and you cannot substantiate your spoutings.

Also, wasn't it the case that the hackers had to be connected to the BB with a CABLE? Right, so not exactly something I'm too worried about.

No, they did not have to be connected with a cable, that's absurd.

Information about how pathetic BB security is:

The information you just posted is completely inaccurate. The iPhone version that was hacked was out of date and was done on the 2nd day, the same day as the BlackBerry. Please provide references of 6 seconds.

http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/03/pwn2own-day-2-iphone-blackb...

"The iPhone was running iOS 4.2.1, as its software was frozen prior to this week's release of iOS 4.3." and "Demonstrating the significance of the rule changes, however, was the fact that his exploit no longer worked. iOS 4.3 introduces Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR), and his exploit code did not take measures to defeat this operating system protection."

BlackBerry OS 6 lacks any OS security like Data Execution Prevention (DEP) and ASLR, the iPhone and Android devices both use.

Also, here is real information regarding your lies about RIM patching their exploit:

"RIM has arguably made its platform more approachable to hackers and researchers alike. Were it not for this obscurity, the lack of DEP, ASLR, and code signing would leave it easy to attack, with Iozzo describing it as "way behind the iPhone at the moment, from a security perspective."

The attack was demonstrated on BlackBerry OS 6.0.0.246. RIM has shipped a newer firmware since, but Pinckaers has confirmed that the flaw still exists."

RIM has not fixed any of their security problems and are years and years away from all competing platforms' security. This is also demonstrated in their patching procedures which then get pushed to each vendor who takes time to patch exploits, very lengthy process that does not offer real time updates.

'Even after finding the initial security flaw, converting this into a useful exploit was difficult. In the event, they had to chain together three separate flaws to achieve a successful compromise' - from your link.

Bothered? No.

Please see two posts down :)

I read your post and agree with some of it - I loved all of my blackberry phones but they really aren't modern, they aren't a serious competitor with today's technology. I hope this changes for the sake of the company, I own RIM stocks from way back when, and recently all they've done is plummet. This is not my opinion, it's how it is.

I'm not very concerned with the actual security hole itself. I only care about how the company reacts and resolves the issue:

RIM - Who cares about security we won't fix that it involves too much work, and even if we did we'd send it to a couple providers who would take months to release it to the smartphone.

Apple - Patched before the exploit was found and the patch was released immediately to all iPhone owners regardless of provider.

You tell me which patching policy you prefer when it comes to device security.

I enjoyed this article a lot and most of the discussion. Surpised that some people still feel the need to vehemently bash other platforms, I really thought most people realised by doing that you're only showing yourself up and disgracing your parents? Maybe all the smart people know that, that's probably it.

Anyway - interesting to see RIM losing just 0.6% market share over the two 'boom' years, and that's during a time when pretty much everyone agrees they have not been playing their strongest hand.

To emmerge in 2011 in profit, with the new QNX software, a kick ass fondleslab, and to what seems to me an acceptance of their shortcomings, and a new vision for the next ten years, well I think they're in a positive position.

But the market is huge and buoyant; there's room for everyone and more, no one's going anywhere and maybe when trolls / fanbois realise that there will be less to-and-fro bitching, though it is quite fun to read XD

Jobs hasn't "publicly" donated any money to charity? He must have privately. I certainly hope so. It is not right, imho, to hoard money and not help someone or some organizations that really need help. Kudos to Bill Gates and his wife, as well as Mr. Lazaridis!

It's so funny to see everyone argue their case for "the best phone" the best phone is the one that suits you best!! I have had 2 iphones previously, the first gen 2g and the 3gs, they were great phones no doubt, after my 3gs froze for the 100th time (maybe slight exaggeration there) i had to use a friends old Nokia e71x until i got another phone, i loved that little Nokia...ok the os was a pain but having a physical keyboard again was a revalation for me, i will never go back to an all touch screen again (if i can help it) i am now rockin the BB Torch and i love it!! Do i wish it had a faster processor? Of course i do, i also wish the browser was a little faster but other than that, it has excellent call quality, email is the best in the biz bar none, i am now looking forward to se what RIM comes out with over the next 18months.
I have not really tried the Android phones much, other than playing with a friends and Windows Phone 7 looks very boring to me (maybe i'm wrong) so BB all the way

Do your own market share survey.

Next time you're in the departure lounge of a major airport and everyone is making last minute contact before boarding... look around

Even better... when the plane lands and they announce that you can power up your device.. look around

I have... and I would say that half of the phones I see are BBs

I dont need a phone that can pretend its a zippo lighter (I luv when an Iphone owner will say "see what it can do?.. only to see a silly game gizmo). I do enjoy traveling the world and enjoying near seamless BBM messaging for free... all I need is wifi

There are 3 big automakers in the US and they co-exist for a reason. If there was only one carmaker, would we have competitive pricing or innovation?
For many years... the BB was the alpha dog. Now it has to learn to share the market and be competitive. If 5 years from now, we have 4 makers each owning approximately 20% of the market (and the bit players picking up the rest)... Maybe we can put this endless debate on the back burner.

The other thing that burns my butt (other than a flame this high) is that Android's market share isnt an accurate statement about an individual company (ie; Motorola, HTC)