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RIM summoned to meeting to discuss underage viewing of porn in the UK on BlackBerry smartphones

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By Bla1ze on 18 Dec 2011 09:59 pm EST
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Over the past little while we've seen mainstream media go after RIM is some obscene ways but the latest news coming from the UK really takes the cake. In the UK, Research In Motion is noted to have eight million and growing subscribers -- of those eight million a large number of them are suggested to be under the age of 18.

Now, the telecommunications regulator in the UK, Ofcom has summoned RIM to a summit involving the UK's leading mobile networks to discuss what according to Ofcom is a problem with BlackBerry smartphones, being able to access porn from their browser and as such allowing underage individuals access to such things.

“It was brought to our attention that there was a problem, It is to do with the way in which the BlackBerry operating system works. We are very concerned and want to get this resolved as quickly as possible.” 

Reading the first portion of that news, one may say that's a reasonable request but only when you dig further does the absurdity of this information come to light. As we know it, RIM uses the NOC to filter all data so really, they could lock down porn access on BlackBerry smartphones and Ofcom's issue is that they've not done so in the UK allowing anyone of any age access to porn on their device.

The problem with all this information is that RIM already offered a solution to block access to porn and the only UK carrier to adopt the methods was T-Mobile. So according to the information available, Ofcom's request to call RIM out seems rather out of place considering it's the UK's own mobile networks, which never adopted the precautions, offered to them.

Forget the fact this has been an ongoing problem with mobile devices in the UK since 2006, and they're only now getting around to it. It's so much easier to just blame RIM for it all. Dog died? Blame RIM. Truck won't start? Blame RIM. Economy is bad? Blame RIM. And soon it may be, can't connect to your favorite porn site? Blame RIM. 2012 for RIM can only get better, because seemingly what's left of 2011 for them can't get any worse.

Source: The Telegraph; Thanks, Michael!

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RIM summoned to meeting to discuss underage viewing of porn in the UK on BlackBerry smartphones

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hehe yea, I BLAME RIM because their screens are so small & have such a low res that I can't realy enjoy my mobile porn on them :P

I bet there are going to be people saying they are going to switch to an iPhone becuase of this

The bedroom is better for this...and the bathroom, the living room, the kitchen, the floor, the chair...over here, over there....

David Millward ... the author of the extremely poor piece of investigative journalism has no background in telecommunications as expressed in his brief bio on the Telegraph !!! TRANSPORTATION EDITOR ... WTH is he even doing spewing such garbage on a field were he clearly has no expertise !!!

David Millward is the Daily Telegraph's Transport Editor, with responsibility for covering rail, road and air. He has been on the paper since 1982 and has been thrown out of Yugoslavia, worked as a political journalist at Westminster and for many years followed football hooligans around Europe.

Dog died? Blame RIM. Truck won't start? Blame RIM. Economy is bad? Blame RIM. And soon it may be, can't connect to your favorite porn site? Blame RIM.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

You can bet this situation isn't as simple as it appears. The authorities are probably also communicating with other businesses as well. My first reaction, though, was to think that surely they must also be calling out makers of desktops and laptops for allowing access to porn, right?

Still, we put all kinds of preventive safety measures in place for children ... from flame-retardant pajamas to nut-free schools. Media has been shown to impact virtually every area of child development. I doubt RIM is being singled out or picked on. It sounds like the governent is trying to beef up protection for kids.

There isn't much news about Android or Apple porn blocking is there? Even if the government isn't singling out RIM, the media is - They make it sound like the RIM folks are smut peddlers.

Exactly, even if others are involved.. Where is the info on that? Just because it is RIM people will have a field day with the information.

If kids weren't accessing porn on their BBs, you can bet they are now, since the media have kindly made them aware of the possibility.

Giving Ofcom the widest possible latitude, I assume that they are starting by questioning the maker of the software. When they learn that the tools to safeguard against this are already in place, I would assume that they will be calling the carriers on the carpet after that.

My question is... where are the parents of these underage kids that are accessing porn on their BlackBerrys (and other smartphones)? Since these kids are minors accessing material that I'm assuming is only legal to view 18+, shouldn't it really come down to the parents not doing their job?

One would think. But parents don't like to accept responsibility for their own creations these days. Maybe a kid shouldn't have a smart phone at the age...let alone ANY kind of cell phone.

It's easier said then done. All it takes is the kid to get a BB for their birthday, password protect it, and only view adult videos when the parents aren't around. The parents will never find out, so how are the parents supposed to do anything?

True but I have a buddy who bought an iphone & when I asked him if he liked it he said "oh yeah, porn's great on it." Then proceeded to show me all the sites that are iphone compatable.

They can simply place an age restriction rule for the blackberry accounts used to login to appworld or the payment system, and then use filters at the NOC to enforce the age verification / blackberry account security. Problem solved, and rim can look good in the end by being a "responsible corporation" and agreeing to provide this as a simple part of the blackberry account system.

You can use any browser on any connected device to look at any website, unless it is filtered somehow. Blaming rim for this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life.

So, who's next, microsoft for making internet explorer? Seriously, this couldn't be a more obvious "attack" on rim. So I believe their only response should be the high road one, and just age restrict the blackberry id

Hey, didn't somebody(s) invent the internet? Let's round em' up and give them a sumit?

LmaO, omg, what? Why? No...
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in the time of your life, live so that in that good time, there should be no ugliness or death for yourself or for any life that your life touches, seek goodness everywhere

It's not like rim said, "hey, playbook does flash, so we all know what the majority of content we've enabled here is... Muhuhahahahaha!"

Ummmm, I'm done. I'm wack.
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in the time of your life, live so that in that good time, there should be no ugliness or death for yourself or for any life that your life touches, seek goodness everywhere

Farilla though, I'm startin' to feel sorry for rim a bit here. Like, enough's enough already. This whole rim bashing party is getting old and slightly depressing. Hmph...

Okay, I'm gOod now - love blackberry, gotta keep they chinz up through these messes

Seriously, just age restrict the bbid's

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in the time of your life, live so that in that good time, there should be no ugliness or death for yourself or for any life that your life touches, seek goodness everywhere

Soooo this is the only way kids look at porn? And if some one made a drug deal talking on a BB is that RIM's fault too?

Ohhhhhh where is the article Keven wrote about the Playbook ... He stated it was great for viewing specific material on it! ;-)

That must be where all this confusion is coming from! Sheesh! =P

People say 2012 will be a better year for RIM are crazy. 2012 will see the release of the BB10 OS, which is great but it wont be till the end of the year, and will be fighting the iphone5 for news space. 2.0 will be a blip of good news in February but poor sales of the playbook with likely come back up when its announced. I mean RIM only sold 150,000 of them this quarter with a huge sale on. Really, 2013 sounds like it will be the good year, with BB10 out and selling and the new lineup of BB10 or 11 coming out.

Don't expect when january 1st comes around that the media completely does a 180 and the bad news goes away. The same problems are still there and ever present.

Sad sad sad... RIM needs to stand up for itself, and do it publicly. They also need to start advertising the upside of BlackBerry's compared to Android and iPhone, which is SECURITY! EMAIL! Etc... Stop trying to compete with iPhone and Android devices in the consumer market. They need to expose the security issues with Android and the invasion of privacy with iPhone and target these two boons with intense advertising, put a little fear into people and show them just how exposed they truly are.

Someone got caught looking at porn on a BB?? What will people be thinking about when I whip out my trusty BB combo: the one-handed BB phone and its BIG sidekick PB !! Better wear my overcoat on Monday

There's an upside to this, and it falls under the adage: "no publicity is bad publicity".

This fiasco gives the blackberry cool status; who wouldn't want to support the poor company,who by trying to keep customer privacy, freedom, and security paramount, is being beaten down by The Man? It also advertises to under-age smart phone users (a non-trivial market) the benefits of getting a blackberry! It is very important to hook customers when they're young and impressionable, see: McDonald's and its play area attracting life-long McDonald's customers, and Apple's aggressive school discounts aimed at collage students.

In my undergraduate engineering program, it is embarrassing to own an evil iPhone, everyone who is anyone has a Blackberry.

Giving another reason for those idiots here in America to now use this as an excuse to further have a reason to get that cencorship bill passed.

I got a friend and he watches porn on his berry all the time. He has no idea it makes his bbm status "is watching xvideos_428211042.mpg" or whatever when he does. None of us on his contact list have the heart to tell him.

What's even better than that is when people leave their Drive Savely app on and receive a text message that is read out loud in a class of college students to which the message said: "I really enjoyed last night; you have a big...."

Well you get the picture. Let's just say, it took awhile to get my class under control as everyone kept on laughing so much.

I don't understand how this has anything whatsoever to do with RIM... Why aren't these kids just accessing porn on their computer like every other kid does?

I'd be curious to see a sales-by-day report for customers < 18 in the UK for the couple of weeks surrounding this story. This might not necessarly be bad PR for sales.

I know for one that Vodafone UK has a censor that stop the viewing of any illegal content like that for all customers and must be switched off BY Vodafone for it to be viewed on request of the customer. If these people want to watch porn it is their fault, not RIM's or the carriers.

Welcome to the UK! we always like to shut the door after the horse has bolted, then blame everyone else! Its very funny because there are plenty of sites specifically designed for viewing on the iphone, maybe our debt of gratitude does not extend beyond US boarders, sorry about that Canada!

I don't see what the fuss is. I've been watching porn on the internet since AOL. Long before I knew what a BB was. WTF are they harping about. RIM must have the most customers in the U.K. For them to single them out like this. My cousins Samsung Nexus S can stream Way Way more porn than my 9930 can. They really should KILL themselves for wasting time and space on such a weak accusation.

Ridiculous if you ask me. "The glitch which has made it possible for pornography to be viewed on the phone..." REALLY??? The GLITCH??? There is NO glitch. Content filtering has not been applied Ofcom, or rather to the author of the article. What a genius. T-Mobile made use of a ready made and available solution. If other carriers/networks would like the same result, then they should follow suit. If they, Ofcom, want to argue why they can't block content on BlackBerries like they can on Android or iOS, then either stop providing the BlackBerry service all together or purchase the solution in place. I bet you they're just being cheap and don't want to pay for blocking access on BlackBerries. It's always about money. The article further states they want to take it up with the ministers. Yeah good luck with that. I hope you become a laughing stock Ofcom. Off with you, numb nuts!

That's so ridiculous!

Has Dell oder IBM or Apple ever been blamed for kids watching porn on their computers?

UNBELIEVABLE HOW CAN THEY BLAME IT ON RIM DONT FORGET BLACKBERRYS MIGHT HAVE A GOOD BROWSER BUT LIKE ANDROID AND IPHONE THEY HAVE FLASH PLAYER WHAT BB DOESNT SO HOW THE HELL CAN THEY JUST POINT THE FINGER TO RIM AND SOME NETWORKS IN THE UK BLOCK PORN ONLY THE 1 OPENED TO ALL INTERNET BROWSERS IS O2-UK SO WHY NOT TAKE THEM UP CAUSE ONLY THE WAY KIDS CAN GET ON PORN ON A BLACKBERRY IS WIFI SO COME ON THE TELEGRAPH FIND A STORY THATS WORTH TALKING ABOUT
*****RIM N CB IS HERE TO STAY******

oh man, how fking lame...
the funniest thing is that they're blaming RIM for that, ah ok....

and another thing....
i never had any problems with that stuff, why the fuck is it a problem?
when i was underaged, i could watch porn whenever i wanted, and have sex whenever i wanted

but appearantly this whole "porn/sex-for-underaged-kids" is still a big "problem" nowadays
i dont really get why... sex is one of the greatest things in this whole world, and porn is an enjoyable expierence, its just natural for kids to be interested in stuff like that / to like it

yea, but somehow people seem to think its "bad" for kids to watch porn
thats so retarded, we all know how great it is, why shouldnt kids be able to watch porn whenever they want? O.o
i really dont get it

and then there are these fag-parents who think: "oh no, my son is watching porn...thats horrible... i cant allow that, i have to protect him......"
and all that, while the parents are fucking their brains out themselves

i really dont get it -_-

but since fag-people seem to have a problem with that, yes.. please blame RIM for all that
not the internet, computers, iphones, androids, etc... yep, all RIM's fault !

sorry for my little rant here : s

When I visited the UK recently, I was actually pretty surprised to find carriers (in my case O2) push service books for browsers that contained links to the "O2 Shop" where you could buy porn for a quid. In contrast, Rogers in Canada blocks mobile access from BBs to certain porn sites using the cellular data plan. It's clearly a carrier decision to allow access, but in the UK, they've got some serious social problems involving their youth and I guess they are just looking for an easy (and foreign) scapegoat.

This really IS sad. I have a big problem with underage kids having ANY type of smartphone. It is NOT necessary!! And now apparently RIM is responsible for BAD PARENTING! If you want your bratty kid to have access to a phone...get them a prepaid phone that ONLY MAKES PHONE CALLS. You idiots! Problem solved. Why are people so ignorant!! And why should RIM have to block porn on their devices? I'm over 21. If I want to look at porn on my phone (which is just dumb to begin with)...I'M ALLOWED TO! LOL The glitch is the parents that probably shouldn't have had children in the first place. You have to take a test to drive a car, but not to have children. I weep for the future. LOL

The U.S. is going down the very same path the UK is regarding loss of liberties and being controlled by a nanny state. If I purchase a device with Internet connectivity, I am entitled to access the Internet and all of it's pornographic glory. If parents aren't parenting and simply handing over the keys to the Internet without taking necessary precautions with their minor child, then that is their issue, not the government's and certainly not a corporation's.

Companies exist to provide a service for a profit. The resulting successful companies hire workers who then pay taxes and contribute positively to society. The moment you regulate companies out of profitability is the moment you doom your society to failure (bankruptcy).

RIM, tell the UK to handle their own dirty laundry.

Thanks Bla1ze for posting this. I agree that it is a big problem that porn is everywhere, but we must protect kids from that sort of stuff.

The trouble is that someone is looking to blame RIM for something they cannot control. They've provided the tools to the carriers, but RIM cannot take responsibility for implementing something the carriers are shunning.

Mike & Jim have their faces on too many dart boards recently! They are undeserving of most if not all of these attacks.

"You" not "we" need to protect YOUR kids. If a person needs a company or a government to raise their children for them they have more serious issues to deal with than their kids watching porn.

This is stupid. Any phone can do the same thing. If anything I'd argue its probably a lot more prevalent on iPhones and Android devices since they have faster browsers and have bigger screens. While they are at it they should summon any company that makes computers. Such a FAIL.

Reminds me of the South Park movie - blame Canada! Sucks that RIM is a Canadian company in this instance...it seems that since RIM is involved in law suits and that they are in heavy competition, people want to pick them out. They're an easy target for nonsense but this is absurd.