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Posted by canon1100 Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

First to leave a comment! Woo!

 
 
Posted by o1jellybean Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

is there os 6 for 8900?

 
 
Posted by tumer Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

jim says two major releases this current quarter and then he says blackberry6 will be out before the end of sebtember so the slider has blackberry6 the clamshell has blackberry6 what are are they planning to release this quarter that doesnt have blackberry6 by the way this current quarter ends augost 24 see the confusion can someone clear this up

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

Exactly. I was confused too as were the analysts who asked during the Q&A. So it's either:

a) BB6 will launch sooner than end of September, but RIM doesn't want to overpromise on the date just in case

b) the Bold 9650 and Pearl 3G launched fairly late, so these are the devices RIM is thinking will help carry a higher asp through next quarter..though not sure that makes sense

or

c) there's something launching that'll still hit with 5 (then get 6?). though this seems weird.

so yeah..i'm confused too. will have to wait and see.

 
 
Posted by MarketRide Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

Kevin, Its definately not B becuase Adel said it was hard to forecast the revenues for Q2 because the impact of the new devices would be coming at the end of Q2 and beginning of Q3.

 
 
Posted by sk8er_tor Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

According to TD Newcrest report:

Last quarter Jim Balsillie was quite assertive in suggesting that if we knew what was coming, we (the Street, collectively) would not be so bearish. With a full quarter having passed since that time, the Co-CEO reiterated this stance. Furthermore, he suggested that a “quantum leap” was coming in terms of the company’s multimedia strategy and that if we could only “wind the clock forward a few weeks”, we would better understand what the company intends to do, competitively. As bullish as we are on RIM stock, we can’t help but be a bit skeptical about these claims because we’ve heard them often before. That said, it sounds as if the “great unveiling” is near, and we are intensely interested in RIM’s multimedia strategy.

 
 
Posted by gotnoteeth Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

I sure am glad RIM feels so highly of themselves. Some devices were just officially released with OS 5.0, now they say OS 6.0 is less then 4 months away? Funny, my Tour (RIM's bastard child) isn't even compatible with OS 6.0, yet it is less then a year old. RIM lost themselves another customer. Stupid Canadians.

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

They just came out with a new phone in this line a whole month ago.

 
 
Posted by gotnoteeth Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

Did they? They dropped the Tour line.

 
 
Posted by sweetlittlehugs Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

The 9650 was originally the tour2 but they renamed it Bold.

 
 
Posted by tumer Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

stupid canadaians screw you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! last time i checked u f*cken americans went bankrupt for buying to many T.V!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
Posted by sweetlittlehugs Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

Is this just random venting?

 
 
Posted by mutambo Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

Kevin -
i listened to the call as well, it sounded to me like they were saying they are looking to launch it into Q2/Q3. We are in Q2 now, ending Aug 24, but Mike/Jim did mention on the call that "summer is slow, well... except for the back to school period". So if you take the 2 comments together, it seems as if they are looking to push the Torch9800 out in August for back to school (and therefore grabbing late Q2) but mostly Q3 out of it. As far as the flip, i think thats the Q3 device they are taking about. Not sure how it would be high ASP though? Perhaps it may be, as it will be the only smartphone in the form?

it also sounds like appworld is literally due out in the next few weeks, and the whole BB Shield due out in mid Q3? Cause they said late this year, so that would sound like so. Probably in late september, early October? just my thoughts.

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

RIM needs to learn how to just get their stuff out the door. If they just had a little urgency they could get AppWorld 2.0 out by the end of the week, and the 9800 by the end of July.

Instead I get the feeling that AppWorld 2.0 is being delayed until they can get more carrier billing deals done instead of making the many improvements that are already done available, and adding the other features latter.

The same way I feel that OS6 is being delayed due to some small thing such as Flash support that could be added latter (or honestly never).

 
 
Posted by marcosis Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

Any manufacturer who throws their product out to the public without giving it thorough testing is just asking for trouble. Just look at Apples iPhone 4 for example. They wanted to get it out there for the masses today only to realize that their new phone is having issues keeping a signal thanks to their redesigned antenna. Now they have a bunch of customers griping about how they keep dropping calls. Testing is essential!!! Otherwise you end up with POS for a product.

 
 
Posted by AJFSTORM Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

Yea just the way RIM threw the POS Storm out there without testing. Still the biggest POS I've ever owned.

 
 
Posted by tumer Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

after this next buy back is over within the next 12 months they have taken off the table including last years buy back of 18 million shares and this years buy back of 31 million shares they have taken off 10% of the outstanding shares off the table so if they keep this up in the next 5to6 years the could be have taken off about 30% of shares wow what are they up to why wouldnt they just give a dividen

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

They would be obligated to pay a dividend. The share repurchase plan just gives them the option to buy the shares. In a market with patent landmines always lurking, it's much better to keep the cash on hand.

 
 
Posted by mutambo Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

the repurchase is good, hopefully it lifts the stock upwards. the stock is performing worse than GARMIN! (and garmin is about to be wiped out by smartphones taking over all gps functionality!)

 
 
Posted by sk8er_tor Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

Only 11 x EPS on RIM. Amazing deal right now IMO. Even NOK is trading at almost 20 x EPS. RIM's shares are beaten down so much for a profitable company that is growing hugely and sitting on over $3 billion in cash. Also, looks like North American subs were up 8% which defies all those who say that RIMM is losing out in North America. Even with revenue slightly below Wall Street's estimates, it’s hard to complain about YoY revenue growth of 24% and device shipment growth of 44%.

 
 
Posted by antwonebex Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

Does anyone think RIM will have an OS 6 update on the Bold 9650? That would be pretty cool, unless they're only allowing for the OS 6 to be already pre-loaded onto their new devices, which I hope isn't the case.

 
 
Posted by sweetlittlehugs Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

I wonder about this myself, I'll be bummed if they don't.

 
 
Posted by Connor83 Sunday, Jun 27, 2010 698 days ago

They have bumped up the memory so it will be possible to run it on this device. So most likely ot will have a update rolled out for it. A safe guess would be late Q3 or maybe even into Q4

 
 
Posted by Status45 Thursday, Jun 24, 2010 700 days ago

HEY RIM I would have bought one!

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

That is not acceptable...don't compare the iPhone 4 to anything black berry is offering right now. The storm wasn't rushed it just sucked. No excuses anymore jeez

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

The lighter revenue is likely due to currency changes but the profit is a good sign and the margin strength is especially encouraging. They seem to be creeping back to the glory days of 50% margins.

OS 6 and the 9800 are going to be a shadow over this current quarter if they don't get them out in August but they seem to be hanging in strong.

In a year that has seen Palm collapse, Nokia issue profit warnings, Motorola plan a spinoff to escape billion in debt and HTC unable to secure parts, RIM continues to show they can survive in a market that the media has awarded to Apple. Another quarter, another record shipment number.

Now they just need to get that slider in my hands.

 
 
Posted by mutambo Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

currency had nothing to do with it, they hedge themselves for a 10% swing in currency between the doller and euro. this is done so that they can give a more accurate EPS and stick to EPS despite currency fluctuations. basicaly, they make sure they are making money regardless of what happens with currency.

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

I hadn't had a chance to listen to the conference call so I didn't know where they stood with the hedging.

 
 
Posted by mutambo Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

and with respect to margins, i would rather see lower margins and higher rev and asp. margins are only higher due to the curve outselling the bold. RIM wants to push more bold than curve due to the higher ASP.

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

True, but the guidance for the next quarter with higher ASP models is still expected to be 44% and they expect them to remain in the low 40s for the rest of the year. Considering some analysts had expected RIM to face a Nokia like slide in margins, seeing them hold their margins is a good sign that the company is managing their costs.

 
 
Posted by Connor83 Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

Q1 2011?

 
 
Posted by jmundi Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

In the end, RIM may own the Corporate Business user but if OS6 doesn't deliver, I believe they will lose the mid-tier user whose main goal is to be organized. My kids recently got Android based phones and I am thoroughly impressed. The interface is strong and the apps are interesting. In my opinion, if OS6 can't compete with the flexibility and impressive look & feel, they will struggle to sustain market share when consumers hit their phone refresh cycle.

 
 
Posted by mas3222 Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

100 million phones is no easy feat. That's impressive.

 
 
Posted by ommoran Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

Sorry to be a spoil-sport. However, smart as Jim and company are, they aren't Kreskin or the Great Carnack. If they were, Jimmy wouldn't have started trying to buy the Coyotes.

My smart-ass way of saying that I don't think they were talking about the Q1 20*11* numbers today - more like Q1 20*10*.

 
 
Posted by ericpeds Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

I bought the Bold9700 6 months ago which I heard was the top of the line blackberry, but now the new operating system 6 won't work on it...so I have a top tier device that's obsolete? Really? Might be moving to iPhone if this is true.

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Friday, Jun 25, 2010 699 days ago

Why don't you wait until they announce OS 6 and the supported devices before you freakout?

 
 
Posted by mas3222 Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

I think revenues will be even greater after OS6. And if you bought a device 6 months ago and OS6 will come out when it is 9 months yes its obviously going to be obsolete especially when the new devicves are out.

 
 
Posted by zoomup627 Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

Although things haven't been on time lately..it is a promise..so I am feeling good about my new bold!

 
 
Posted by Splitgrey Friday, Jun 25, 2010 700 days ago

The street is selling off BB Stock. Outlook is harsh. RIM has lost(or never had) touch with its customers. They will probably always have the business market but the consumer market however, I feel they have officially lost. Other companies striving to stay ahead of the market. RIM feels they are the market, so they have a lackadaisical attitude toward their product.
Everyone always blames delays on testing; you gotta test it blah blah.... If that were the case would we have ever seen the Storm 1?? What a travesty, lets not forget about all the poor tour owners. Phone after tired phone after tired phone, useless OS upgrade after useless OS upgrade.. Im out. After almost three years with my BB I am so done with this company, heading for FROYO. RIM refuses to be innovative. I mean look at these phones?? Their ace in the whole is this slider?!?...........Scary

Tip, instead of using your capital to buy up your stock, why not spend it on R&D??????????

 
 
Posted by Jiacona1981 Friday, Jun 25, 2010 699 days ago

i haven been a BB user for years...before it was cool to have one. I love blackberry; but i am growing tired of watching htc and apple leave BB in the dust. The app store needs to get better, the web browser is a joke compared to apple. Hopefully, OS 6 will improve the BB experience; but if it is not pushed to my Bold 9650 then my 9650 will be my last BB.