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Posted by bull_thumper Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

Has anyone who has worked with the PlayBook development tools see how the applications could be scaled between multiple form factors?

 
 
Posted by Obi Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

But, "We don't comment on future devices" :p

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

Not a "forward looking statement"

 
 
Posted by shredney Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

I'm betting we get an announcement before Christmas of exactly that. A Blackberry running the same OS

 
 
Posted by Obi Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

I'll take that bet :)

 
 
Posted by Slapnpop826 Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

They are losing ground fast and it is all do to the lack of consumer friendly features. The Storm 3 is their chance to make a real statement in that regard. What better way to do that then to bring the QNX OS to the Storm 3.

 
 
Posted by shredney Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

Who is losing ground? RIM? Not likely, they will come to dominate business/corporate users even more than they do now. Pay attention

 
 
Posted by Riders On The Storm Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

RIM is losing market share. Check the link out.

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/android-soars-but-ipho...

45% to 33%? That's a pretty big swan dive in my book. That is consumer, but the OP was commenting on consumer usage. Companies will switch too. I worked in a pretty large corporation that switched from corporate Blackberries to iPhones.

 
 
Posted by jwmax Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

Actually this isn't quite as bad as you are thinking. Percentages are funny things. Basically way more manufacturers are coming out with Android-based phones. These are not only the high-end Droid X and HTC phones you are thinking of but a lot of pretty basic phone that are largely irrelevant to RIM's market. Suddenly these pretty basic phones are included in the percentage figures the market is expanding at a quick pace and that doesn't mean RIM is nose-diving.

Also, you ar right that many people were switching from BB to Android and iPhones, but give them a QNX-based Blackberry phone which means no-compromise on OS plus BB quality and input choice (keyboard) and security and they'll switch back even faster.

Please no follow-ups saying I'll never switch to BB crap, I'm talking QNX OS not OS6.

 
 
Posted by MarketRide Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

The market grew more than RIM lost so its not like RIM is loosing sales. Its just the industry is growing so quickly and RIM is not growing as fast, but that will change and they will regain market share.

 
 
Posted by ghostnyc Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

HOWEVER..globally RIM is #1 according to Bloomberg news

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-11/rim-taps-teens-messaging-mania-...

 
 
Posted by lindros2 Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 551 days ago

Good RIM - tap into the "transient", poor community for the future of the BlackBerry. Kind of goes against the core value prop from 2-3 years ago, doesn't it?

RIM might just be mopping up Nokia's blood, but that's not a strategy - that's weakness which will spell doom for RIM.

And just wait until more governments demand BIS on their soil.

 
 
Posted by lindros2 Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 551 days ago

RIM is losing more market share than is indicated in these surveys.

Whereas you *had* to have a BlackBerry (or Windows Mobile, which worked poorly) to get corporate email, now *anyone* can get corporate email (provided your company opens up OWA or uses an alternative email server/service) with an Android device, iPhone/iPod Touch, Win7 Mobile, Nokia/Symbian, or webOS.

Oh - and for those who want to fly the RIM flag on how "easy" it is to get a device on BES - it took me (with my 10th BlackBerry) over 12 hours to "re-sync" with BES after a bug took out my "Desktop" service.

In the interim, I configured my iPod Touch. That took 10 seconds.

RIM is screwed.

 
 
Posted by shupor Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

I'll take that bet too. Nooo way on earth there will be an announcement b4 christmas. Heck, d rumors probably won't start in full force till late Q1 next year if anything.

 
 
Posted by Emu the Foo Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

I couldn't agree more

 
 
Posted by R1cE Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

Awesome Pic of Jim Balsille guys :)

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

It was the look on his face re: some of the questions asked. Like a whoa, hold up...did you just ask that foolishness? Seemed fitting, lol.

 
 
Posted by toosheezies Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

If you listen carefully, he says something about within 30 days........
I actually think by then RIM will announce a new product for sure.

 
 
Posted by Obi Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

More info and demos about the PlayBook coming in 30 days. Think he was referring to the PlayBook SDK and apps, as opposed to AIR that they already showed off

 
 
Posted by zoom--zoom Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

They will relies a new device a phone or something or a platform for the current blackberry's

 
 
Posted by shredney Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

I didn't miss that, he said 30 days and hinted heavily how this could be moved to another platform easily.

 
 
Posted by muse480 Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

Can I put it on my Torch or am I just greedy?

 
 
Posted by shredney Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

Yeah, yer greedy.....

 
 
Posted by Sirhil Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

This is great and I just hope that RIM makes the Storm 3 has some balls or we will hear the same tune by all of the piss aunts about how blackberry have only done enough to please us bb fans but the rest of the world will be sticking to there IOS/Android/WP7 devices.

 
 
Posted by scholyrdbullys Tuesday, Nov 16, 2010 555 days ago

You are certainly not being greedy I too have a torch and yes even though we have and enjoy the new OS6 syestem does not mean we do want the new and advance os...I mean come on if its that easy to switch platforms than its that easy to upgrade it to the phones...I'm just saying I want the new syestem without buying a whole new phone because I will do just that

 
 
Posted by shredney Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

So obviously you believe the hardware in your phone will run the Playbook OS?? How would you come up with that? Read more

 
 
Posted by gymwarner Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

Wow- imagine QNX on a phone- I guess its only a matter of time!

I love my 9700- I wouldn't swap- I'm not interested in Androids or iPhones. I want a big business phone, not one where I can download over 200 fart apps!

Peace!

 
 
Posted by Emu the Foo Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

I would love to have a qnx based phone. Let's hope sooner rather than later

 
 
Posted by corymcnutt Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

He says, "...We are not fools." But you have to wonder, if they are not fools, then how did they let things get to the point they are? Not launching the PB BEFORE Christmas is one such foolish decision. Sure we want it to be ready when it launches, but their R&D should have had it ready! Same with BB6; they didn't plan ahead and allow their prior hardware to be ready for it - all because of a little extra memory? QNX may be great, but WHEN? Not Fools, you can prove it by their actions/planning.

 
 
Posted by jwmax Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

I think you are being too tough, You look at a nice car and say whay can't other just mimic it? The rality is it is hard to build things right.

I don't think RIM are fools, maybe they got a bit too arrogant? but realyl I just think they were caught by surprise ragarding how their phone took off so fast and how iPhone marketing (and good looks) sucked so many in.

They are turning the ship around and I think doing it much faster than palm. With QNX I think they are in the game long term.People want flash (and I don't mean adobe) and with QNX RIM can deliver.

 
 
Posted by shredney Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

Do you want it fast? a la iPhone 4 or do you want it right? I'll gladly wait until Feb/March and get a product that isn't going to be all hype and problems eg antennagate. They are doing this the way a proper business should. Be patient

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

Maybe when 4g is everywhere, like late 2011, or 2012.

Hard to get that excited about something so far off. I would buy a BB with that OS on it.

 
 
Posted by ghostnyc Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

RIM has the capital, ability and technology to deliver amazing products. IF they can, why not just do it already.

 
 
Posted by shredney Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

RIM is a business, they supply superior products to satisfy the demand of their customers. They know well who those customers are. They are not losing market share in any way that matters to them, they are not a reactionary company. Percentage wise, yes they are behind some, but numbers and percentage of their core market, they are further ahead avery day. Look closer at the numbers, all of them, and use your own judgement, not another manufacturer's. Yesterday, Balsillie said he wouldn't comment on another companies' product when pressed about Nokia. Well done, now compare that to other companies, eg, Jobs, he never hesitates to slag every and any other company to his own ends. That is a sign of many things, I have been in business for over 25 years, and he is shitting. So please try to make a more informed comment here. RIM will bring out the superior PlayBook, they will offer phones running the same OS and they will continue to grow and dominate the same way they do now.

 
 
Posted by PineappleUnderTheSea Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 555 days ago

Come on, man, wake up a bit: RIM stock price has taken a nosedive since the beginning of 2010 (basically when all the Androids invaded the market), they are not making shareholders happy. The simple announcement of the Playbook has helped the stock in the last month, since investors are hopefully hoping that RIM is waking up. That's why you see so much marketing and "leaks" for the Playbook, gotta keep that stock price up.

Now to your point, the Playbook does look sweet, and if RIM can translate the OS into their smartphones, I bet you'll get back some of the Android/Apple crowd who were disgusted with weak offerings like the Storm, or even the new Bolds.

As for Steve Jobs, he is expected to mouth off. That's what he does, and that's what his investors expect. Don't count him off, he managed to basically create a new market for tablets when everyone on the Internet was laughing at the name "iPad".

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 554 days ago

I don't know enough about NFC but Bluetooth 2.1+EDR (IEEE 802.15.1) offers low-power support at a longer range with high bandwidth and much better security. With a short set-up time of about 1 second, I don't see what NFC will provide that Bluetooth 2.1+EDR won't.

 
 
Posted by TheBr0ken Wednesday, Nov 17, 2010 554 days ago

It is totally possibly to bring QNX to a smartphone. Since Palm has already been doing it with WebOS. Since RIM copied their OS, why not copy their migration process too?