Palm webOS, Pre and Pixi from the Perspective of a BlackBerry User, Smartphone Round Robin

Palm Review - Smartphone Round Robin
By Kevin Michaluk on 11 Jan 2010 11:59 pm EST

Between New Year's celebrations and CES 2010 in Vegas last week, my final Palm review is coming at you about 10 days later than it should. There's a side benefit though. Last week at CES 2010 Palm announced that the Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi Plus will be arriving at Verizon in the weeks ahead, so I now have much better perspective of where things are at and going for Palm than I would have had if I had this up when I should have. And with holidays and CES now behind us, the Smartphone Round Robin is back into full swing so stay tuned for lots more fun. If you've lost track of what's going on, be sure to check out the latest updates page to catch-up on who has what and so on. Read on for the review!

A Look Back at Palm Last Year... Do We Really Want To?? lol

In the 2008 Round Robin we took a look at the Treo Pro. While the HTC-built hardware was pretty nice, Palm's old operating system was so far behind the times (it hadn't changed from Treo 680 we reviewed the year before that and was already showing its grey hair) that the Palm device we reviewed was actually running Windows Mobile. For those hardcore types that like nostalgia, you can check out last year's review here.

Suffice to say, 2009 was going to be a year in which Palm would either sink or swim. As 2008 wound down, nobody knew quite what to expect from Palm in 2009, but with Palm scheduling a press conference for CES 2009 right at the beginning of the new year, we wouldn't have to wait too long to find out if Palm still had a pulse.

My First Look at Palm webOS and the Pre - CES 2009


CES 2010 - the Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi Plus Are coming to Verizon!

While the Pre and Pixi have only been available on Sprint in the US to date, at CES last week Palm announced that the Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi Plus will be coming to Verizon in 2010. It's too bad for Palm this didn't happen months ago - they likely would have sold a lot of devices if it had hit prior to the rollout of the Storm2 and Droid. Now these devices will be hitting Verizon in a sea of solid competitive phones - it will be interesting to see just how well they do. But to make sure they're at the top of the game, the Pre and Pixi that Verizon will receive has been hopped up a bit. We recorded the little video below at CES so you could get a look at what's new (apologies on the video - we were kinda hungover and wiped by the time we got to recording this on Saturday, but it's better than nothing!).

From the Pre to Pre Plus, Palm has doubled the device's memory up to 16GB from 8GB, and scrapped the little ball below the screen and has gone with the straight gesture area as the Pixi has. The Pre also gets what Verizon is calling Mobile Hotspot, allowing you to use the Verizon Pre like a MiFi device, allowing up to five devices to tether to it - very cool. As for the Pixi, it received the WiFi that it really should have had when it launched and some new case designs were introduced. And of course these devices will be running on Verizon, which even from my somewhat limited experience in the USA on carriers I know means a lot. A number of other software enhancements were also announced that will be coming to all of the new Palm webOS devices in the weeks ahead, which include 3D gaming support and some other cool features, like video recording and in-app video editing. All good things which should allow Palm to stay in the game longer. 

Sizing Up The Palm Pre and Palm Pixi

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Palm Pixi, Palm Pre (slider open), BlackBerry Bold 9700, BlackBerry Storm2

While the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus are looking good, the Sprint Pre and Pixi are by no means obselete, which is a good thing as they are the devices I have had a chance to spend some time with in this year's Round Robin. The Palm Pre is positioned as the flagship of the two units, while the Pixi is positioned as the starter smartphone.

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The view from behind...

Let's take a closer look.....

Palm Pre Impressions

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BlackBerry Storm2 vs. Palm Pixi

When the Palm Pre came out, Dieter reviewed the hell out of it over at Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen anyone put so much effort into the review of a new phone. It was insane. That said, if you want to learn the specs and specifics and see what webOS is all about in detail, you'll find no better place to look than at Precentral's Palm Pre Review

Key Features: The Palm Pre is a vertical slider, that when closed offers a relatively small footprint for such a feature-rich device. It of course features webOS which you can view on the 320x480 capacitive touchscreen. The device has a 3.2 megapixel camera with LED flash and features WiFi and GPS. All of the stuff you'd expect in top tier smartphone. The small form factor only leaves room for an 1150mAh battery which powers a 600MHZ processor that's apparently been underclocked to a slightly slower speed.

Observations: Conceptually, I really like the form factor of the Palm Pre and the Palm webOS operating system. Putting it into real world use, however, is another story. Looking back at my now biblical (to me anyways!) Smartphone Hierarchy of Needs article, the Palm Pre suffers in the area of everyday usability. The battery life is horendous. It doesn't last a day, which means unless you are able to charge it up during the day, carrying two batteries around with you is a must. I also find the keyboard just a bit too small/awkward to use comfortably with two thumbs. The way the edges of the device are slightly higher around the perimeter make it a bit tricky. It's useable, but just not quite right. WebOS is intuitive to use, and Palm's system of syncing and grabbing stuff from the cloud (they call in Palm Synergy) is fairly friendly as are things like the web browser (yup, BlackBerry needs that webkit browser to hit ASAP) and the unified messaging system. What sucks though is the LAG. It's weird. Sometimes the Pre is very snappy, and that you get tons of random moments of slowness. And sometimes these come at really strange times - like when opening up things you'd think are pretty standard, like the calculator or calendar.

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BlackBerry Bold 9700 vs. Palm Pre

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BlackBerry Bold 9700 vs. Palm Pre (slider open)

For a platform that's so young I give kudos to Palm for getting it out there and improving it so quick. With the new OS updates coming I hope the lag issue is sorted out. Right now between the poor battery life and lag it's just not a device I could use, but otherwise, it's useable. The other thing I found myself wanting from the Pre was a bigger display. With the new Palm's the stylus is gone (thank god!), but with a relatively small screen size you need to be very careful and accurate on where you're tapping. It also just seems like you really have to LOOK at the screen. In our Windows Phone review we looked at the massive screen on the HD2... I think Palm needs to think along those lines on their next form factor they introduce. They've got a vertical slider, they've got a little front-facing full qwerty. Next up, MASSIVE touchscreen-only device with a big honking display. I think Palm webOS would provide a great user experience on a larger display.

Palm Pixi Impressions

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Palm Pixi vs. BlackBerry Bold 9700

While Palm describes the Pixi as a great phone for the first time smartphone owner and their new Palm equivalent of the old centro (a phone that sold really well to teenage girls), the size of the device to me makes it seem like a competitor to the BlackBerry Pearl even though the Pearl uses SureType. Compared to the 81xx series Pearl, the Pixi would probably be my clear choice. Don't get me wrong, I love my BlackBerry Smartphones, but at this point in time the Pearl 81xx series is ready for retirement, especially considering it won't make the leap to OS 5.0. The Pixi is lower end than the Pre, and you can tell the screen lacks in brightness. In that respect, and the fact it has a full qwerty keyboard and a low price point, I guess maybe it's more fair to compare the Pixi to a device like the new Curve 8520 or Curve 8530. Again, both the battery life and lag need to be worked on, but what I did like about the Pixi is the keyboard. It's TINY... yet somehow, it's really nice to type on. I'm actually shocked at how nice it is to type on. It's one of the only keyboards I have used on another smartphone that I could probably get as comfortable with as on one of my BlackBerry Smartphones.... even though it's so tiny. Kudos to Palm on nailing that. For the full nitty gritty on the Palm Pixi, be sure to check out PreCentral's Palm Pixi Review. Another great job by Dieter.

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Palm Pixi vs. BlackBerry Bold 9700

BlackBerry Users on Palm Phones and webOS

Even though Palm pretty much invented the smartphone, they're the new kid on the block in the current smarpthone game we find ourselves in. With the Palm Pre they experienced some growing pains (hardware issues for many users) and they had to start from scratch in the app space. Homebrew saved the day for many Palm Pre owners and after a slow but steady start Palm is starting to get all the pieces together that should make for a more compelling ownership experience. Though Sprint has had the new Palm devices for a while, which have also been available on other carriers around the world, I really look at this all as the new Palm in beta. When the Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi Plus hit Verizon, that's going to be the true test of whether or not Palm is going to thrive or merely survive. At this point, I'm honestly not sure, but I hope they do will with it (I like cheering for the underdog). 

I think a BlackBerry user who picks up one of the new Palm devices will be impressed with the things mentioned at the start of the article -- the intuitive multi-tasking and the notifications -- and will likely be pleased with the experience - the web browser is solid, the app situation is improving (I played some of the 3D games on the PrePlus and experience was pretty darn good) and things like synergy are user-ish friendly. What's missing is the rock. Despite our BlackBerry gripes about things like memory leaks, for the most part a BlackBerry is fast and solid. It's the ultimate communication tool and that reliable performance is what makes it a device you can easily integrate into your life and depend on. The Palm products to me don't seem steadfast enough yet to get to that place of utter dependance. To me it feels like you use your Palm Pre or Pixi, like a gadget, vs. how so many of us simply can't live without our BlackBerrys (if you forget it at home, you always turn around to pick it up. Am I right?!). Oh yeah, and there's no BBM on Palm webOS. Lol.

Some Closing Thoughts

Palm impressed me last year at CES 2009 when they unveiled the Palm Pre and Palm WebOS. And the innovations they introduced that so greatly impressed that I longed to come to the BlackBerry OS still haven't arrived. But innovations are not enough for me as a smartphone user. Innovation is only nice once that base level of usability and performance has been met. Palm is back in the game with an OS that was really designed for mobile and it shows. It's good. But I'm still not sure they've matched it to hardware yet that makes it a killer smartphone, though they have built two very good smartphones in the Pre and Pixi that are getting better with the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus. Third time is the charm right? The Pre and Pixi have kept Palm treading water in a turbulent sea, and their coming to Verizon should have them swimming. Hopefully their next new device will be a real attention getter, so by the time next year's Round Robin comes around Palm is sprinting laps like Michael Phelps. 

Reader comments

Palm webOS, Pre and Pixi from the Perspective of a BlackBerry User, Smartphone Round Robin


Lots of good apps... assuming you can find them. Though we hear a ton about the number of apps in the Apple App Store today or the momentum Google has going in the Android Marketplace, there's no shortage of apps for the Windows Mobile platform. Many of them are free, and a lot of them are quite powerful. Assuming of course that you can hunt them down and install them. Oh yeah, and you can install apps onto the SD card.

the palm is a good phone but the battery is no good, the blackberry rules, take a hike palm. winmobile heh are they still alive, still working on palying catch up with a ton of dead batteries and system low phones. hehehehehe. cheers

lol, leave it to Civic to point out the SD card and installing apps!

nice review as always. Very well balanced and it points out flaws for both sides. I would never consider a Pre as it was but I will play with one at VZW to see the improvements made. I just cant see myself using either with the form factor they have. If anything some of nice things about WebOS proves where RIM needs some improvement **cough browser cough**

I crossed over to BB(Bold 9000) 3 months ago from being a LOYAL Palm User for years, reason for crossover was no Pre in my Country, anyway.... It's early days for WebOS, Palm have a stratergy and a lot of money behind them so they will be around for the long haul !

I have to agree RIM could take a few pages from Palm's book and apply a lot of UIF changes like, SMS contact hello this is basic ! Why do I have to "save" every bloody thing I do... BB is solid there is no doubt and my short time owning one has been only a pleasure but I can't help missing my Palm everyday when I struggle with UIF of BB daily. The BB's support is amazing unlike Palm, but then I haven't experience WEBOS yet which I imagine would be a lot like BB with live updates which i find very very good on BB.

Will Palm take over.....never I don't see that happening,they will certainly take their new place in the market and have a firm holding where they end up,with all their innovations its obvious they are a player throwing some serious punches out there(the launch of a new device and OS is nothing short of amazing), besides there are too many idiots in the world buying iPhones and there are a lot of idiots out there LOL !

Is it just me, or does the picture on the Palm look like he's taking a leak on the phone? Maybe its just me

Kevin, Thanks for the great insight on the Palm devices. I also wanted to thank you for the great Crackberry site and continued info on Blackberry's. I live at this site! I plan on a little shameless promotion for Crackberry during my presentation at the 2010 DOD Cyber Crime Conference in Saint Louis at the end of this month. Crackberry Rocks!
Walt Bobby

There were a lot of things that interested me in the new Palm devices when the Pre was announced. After holding a Pre, I found the keyboard was not to my liking. It's nice to know they have done a little bit of improvement with the Pre Plus, and it looks like the Pixi takes it a step further.

It definitely seems like the OS is one to be a contender. It will definitely be interesting to see where the hardware goes in the future.

i know palm is all about touch screen and keyboard at the same time but, what if i didn't want touch screen at all, or i only wanted just touch screen

Going to be real tough to decide when I get a chance to upgrade this summer...

STORM2... Nexus One.... Palm Pre Plus... (maybe)iPhone 4GS...

I hate the form factor of the Pre and the Pixi is too small. What I'd love to see if a WebOS device the size of the Blackberry Bold 9000, with the same size qwerty keyboard but with a touch screen.

There is a phone for everyone, it comes down to your needs and what you are comfortable with, it is not a show and tell contest."You can't please everyone, and you can't make everyone like your phone"

I can see comparing the pixie and pre to the Storm2, but unless Verizon is getting the 9700, why bother comparing them to that? Folks reading this most likely know that the 9700 is probably one of the best things going for RIM right now, but unless a cdma version is out there, why put it up against the palms? Maybe I'm totally clueless, but I just don't get it.

"What's missing is the rock."

I don't get this at all. Reliability comes in three forms as far as I can tell.

1. Reliability of service. Every month or so I read about another Blackberry outage. Since as a Palm Pre user my email connects directly to the server, I don't have to worry about the unreliability of Blackberry's service. Thank goodness.

2. Device stability. My Pre has crashed 3 times in 7 months. That is less way less than my Curve or 8820 did. The Pre has a few issues with memory management in third party apps that requires a restart once a week. Until 4.5, my Blackberry's had at least that much trouble. The Pre is more reliable than my Curve until the later firmware.

3. Usability and speed. Can you reliably get stuff done in a reasonable time? Here the BB works a bit better. The Palm is slower, especially in the phone. But overall, the Pre is much easier to use. So this is probably a personal preference but I could see the BB winning here.

So, to me, I don't see the BB as much of a rock compared to the Pre. Email on my Pre is more reliable than it was on my BB.

device is definitly awesome, supports 16 emails and can handle a mass of apps running at once. supposidly 60 is max. i got up to 38 and it was blazing fast. down falls, based on the type of memory it uses to run it doesnt allow video recording and if your watching video it will not buffer or play while other apps are being used. i love video recording and it definitly lacked not having it, the device being produced with verizon has 16 gigs while sprints only had 8 of internal memory. being able to save apps to sd is huge. screen is very responsive and vibrant, all in all great experience, and blow out for palm coming from the older os platform!