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Posted by bobaloo Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Wait a minute. Are you saying vzw is limiting the native features of a device? Why, I've never.

Remember when VZW had big hardon over the bluetooth capabilities of the V710? More of the same

 
 
Posted by experiment626 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Oh,the good ole' days of Verizon blocking OBEX Bluetooth profiles............

 
 
Posted by Jimcmf Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

They both want the transaction fee involved.
Rim wants the $$$
Carrier wants the $$$

There will probably be a happy middle.

 
 
Posted by pinggwing Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

oh, didnt knew this was not on the 9930! I sure hope NFC is not going to be a US only technology. Havent heard much about NFC in europe :(

 
 
Posted by John.P Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Pretty sure some carriers are working with merchants to roll out NFC in some sort of fashion. I think Sprint had some plans to do it in tandem with someone - I'm vague on the details but something along those lines.

Just those damned carriers.

 
 
Posted by shingi_70 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Sprint is partnered with google.

 
 
Posted by ignites Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

you should be more clear - 9930 and 9900 are used interchangably in this article - might not be understood properly

 
 
Posted by TS_Cycle_Salvage433 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Very first sentence..."If you've already read our BlackBerry Bold 9930 review (if you haven't you really should) then you know that the Verizon Bold 9930 isn't sporting NFC just yet (the GSM Bold 9900 is however)." That's pretty clear to me.

 
 
Posted by El Platanero Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Maybe there should be some research done since Sprint's press release shows them advertising NFC.

 
 
Posted by Smooth Chef D Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Sprint is support NFC on the Bold 9930 at launch. All the more reason to get one from Sprint.

 
 
Posted by SteelGreek Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

And their disgusting cell service is all the more reason to stick with Verizon

 
 
Posted by BertoTweets Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

+1 Lolol

 
 
Posted by Kelbylemons Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

This ruined it for me. i was all gitty about getting it but without NFC and without the 4G on verizon, it's just lost all of it's gerth!

 
 
Posted by cletis Thursday, Aug 18, 2011 281 days ago

*giddy
*its
*girth(??)

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

There is no reason for RIM to do this. NFC has nothing at all to do with the carriers.

 
 
Posted by Jimberry Storm Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Maybe if we could get some info on other 9930's running on other carriers than Verizon we will know for sure.

 
 
Posted by theninjasquad Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Well it likely does actually. I am going to assume that in some capacity, NFC will link up to carrier payments.

 
 
Posted by Huot Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

It has pleanty to do with the carriers. RIM and the carriers were in disagreement as to where payment information would be stored for NFC purchases. RIM wanted it on the phone and carriers on the sim card. Carriers want to make money off NFC payments, so did RIM.

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Except that there are plenty of NFC uses that have nothing at all to do with payments. And there is no reason that there only needs to be a single payment solution using NFC. Both RIM and Verizon could release their own apps that use this...

 
 
Posted by Jimcmf Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

BINGO

 
 
Posted by El Platanero Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Yes it does have to do with the carrier considering Verizon's counterpart Sprint (CDMA devices)will carry NFC

 
 
Posted by Jimberry Storm Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

With all the Acquisitions RIM has done wouldn't it be great if they acquired a carrier, they then could make the phones + features they wish with without contracts, demands and hassles that come with all the carriers.

 
 
Posted by camera531 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

As cool as that sounds, you'd be taking away the carrier's checks and balances, and RIM could start rushing out half baked devices again (kind of like the Playbook). As much as I hate red tape from carriers, it does provide a degree of quality control, especially from RIM (which has a somewhat shaky reputation).

 
 
Posted by RicZoh Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

I agree with your checks and balances statement. However, if RIM owned a carrier, they could then profit from Apple/Androids popularity. The only way that works is if RIM were to purchase a carrier with a high number of customers so it isn't easy for Apple/Android...etc to just walk away. I'm not sure who the largest carriers are in the US (I'm in Canada) but if RIM were to buy one of the top 2 we'll say, that would be a good financial move. Imagine your company profiting from your compitition?

 
 
Posted by camera531 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

I was all set on getting the 9850 on Sprint this Sunday, but Crackberry RUINED that for me with the reviews for both the 9860/9850. And after seeing the pictures and videos, it also just looks like a very cheap & plastic phone (even a plastic screen!).

So, I just ordered the Verizon 9930 and will have it tomorrow. As far as NFC, I'm not worried about it because there isn't a use for it at all right now. If it catches on in the US, a simple software update by Verizon will bring it online, so it's currently a non-issue.

 
 
Posted by El Platanero Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

I think you should have waited. I'm going for the 9930 when Sprint roles it out but you made your decision based on people who love that keyboard. You may have come down to the same conclusion but at least having it in your hands would have been a deciding factor.

 
 
Posted by camera531 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Impatience got the better of me. But I was always worried about the virtual keyboard on the 9850, and the overall package with the 9930 seems like a much better fit. And after the metal/glass phones from Apple and HTC, it's hard to buy into plastic, especially ALL plastic (battery doors don't count). At the end of the day, I'm sure I made the right choice.

 
 
Posted by sarllc Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

I didn't know it was plastic!
ugh!
and i so wanted the 9850 with verizon!
want to know what you think of your new bold!
please send a message and let me know!
thanks!

Catch a wave and your sitting on top of the world!

 
 
Posted by dcgore Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

The statement just basically means RIM"s partners are looking at ways of monotizing NFC and for the user to pay for it.

 
 
Posted by Maddog24g Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

If verizon refuses to accept the phone if NFC (and mobile hotspot) is enabled there's nothing that you can blame RIM for. As stated in prior comments, Verizon is known for disabling their phones in an attempt to monetize things. Remember the pearl and the gps fiasco. no gps so you must use vz navigator. Once vzw and the others figure out a way to sell subscription access to nfc i'm sure they will.

 
 
Posted by mikelab26 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

obviously the hardware exists for the 9930, couldn't NFC be enabled by installing a 9900 OS build?

 
 
Posted by blackguy07 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

That's what I was just thinking.

 
 
Posted by Adam Zeis Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Sadly the OS isn't interchangeable between GSM and CDMA.

 
 
Posted by kidnic3 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

idc what it comes with for tmobile i just cant wait until it comes

 
 
Posted by experiment626 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

As long as the hardware is there I won't mind waiting for NFC to be enabled later.I'm more upset about RIM cheapening out(again) and cutting out the Auto-Focus hardware for the 99xx's camera.

 
 
Posted by ROB ROCKSTAR Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

maybe it's just another tactic for carriers to charge their customers to use NFC , they just can't figure out how to do it or how much they can charge for it yet ...

 
 
Posted by digicon Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

That RIM statement is kind of vague too . Has anyone with a 9900 used their NFC yet ? on what ?

 
 
Posted by tprime Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Now when will we get a 9900 in the US?????

 
 
Posted by willm Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Verizon would like to make NFC payments go to your phone bill so they can charge you a service fee to line their pockets and still make you pay the entire balance right away. RIM would rather see it go directly to your bank account or credit card which would make it more attractive and easier for consumers.

Verizon wants to control every aspect of wireless use for their own profit; RIM wants to put the people in control of their own devices and features. Haven't we seen this before OVER and OVER?! Let's not forget the Verizon OS debacle on older LG and Motorola phones. Thank God they let that go! Can you imagine a VZW-specific android build? When will big red realize trying play all the puppet strings really alienates the consumer?

 
 
Posted by flyersfan76 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

2 problems with that.

Corporation will never allow it. They block sodas and food on gas purchases.

NFC is not just for credit card transactions.

 
 
Posted by Revglent Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Yes, RIM dropped the AF and used a smaller battery but the lack of NFC on the VZW 9930 is all on BIG RED!!!!!

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

It's really amazing how many features US carriers(and in this case, Vodaphone UK) are allowed to block or charge the customers for.

 
 
Posted by flyersfan76 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

If they are trying to figure out a way to charge for it then by all means please please please charge me for using Wifi when I am at home. Charge ME for connecting my phone to my car through bluetooth. Seriously it makes as much sense as charging for NFC.

 
 
Posted by bluedragon1971 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Don't give them any ideas. You know they would do it if they could get away with it.

 
 
Posted by Smooth Chef D Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

The Sprint 9930 will have NFC enabled straight out the box. So go get a Sprint bold Sunday when it launches.

 
 
Posted by forgethype Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Couldn't you just wait till the Sprint 9930 comes out and use their OS?

 
 
Posted by guerllamo7 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Great foresight on RIMM. Finally, they are stepping up on new frontiers and getting in front of things as opposed to relying on their admittedly very cool and snappy e-mail and messaging.

Think of how disappointed someone that just gets a phone will be in six months when you can use NFC to pay for stuff, keep your gym info, exchange info with friends, get info from billboards etc.

Kinda like the Playbook having the video camera but not the software upon release. A few days later we got the software and viola I video call the wife and kids from the office often. If you purchased an iPad 1, you would just deal with the fact that now you won't ever have video capability, even though the hardware already had a slot for the camera. I'd rather get the hardware capable device and grow into it than not.

 
 
Posted by npunk42 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

The antenna to nowhere.

 
 
Posted by flyersfan76 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

The antenna is on the battery door.

EDIT: I need a nap. I read it differently the first time.

 
 
Posted by mpagano37 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

If there is a serice charge for NFC transactions, I don't think I will be using that feature. We are not talking about a critical feature. It would be just as easy to use my actual credit card. Nice feature, but not worth paying extra for it. IMO

 
 
Posted by stackberry369 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

+1

 
 
Posted by tgellr Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Is it possible that the "payment charge" would be passed on to the vendor rather than the consumer, like with credit cards?

 
 
Posted by synthmole Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Jesus. Everyone wants their cut of my swipe. It's ridiculous how all these companies think they are the ones I should pay to when I buy something.

At least Visa, Mastercard et al are operating a network to connect terminals to banks. Carriers don't do anything. There's a chip in the phone, and that entitles them to take fees out of its usage.

 
 
Posted by PlayaX01 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

exactly!!

 
 
Posted by JAGWIRE Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

NFC is still a new tech that has very limited uses right now so really im not loseing any sleep on it. what i am loseing sleep on is the fact that bell didnt buy the cdma versions

 
 
Posted by stackberry369 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

NFC is over a decade old.

 
 
Posted by stackberry369 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Have NFC also.

 
 
Posted by Jake2826 Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

C'mon Adam. Learn to be complete in your research. Sprint will have NFC active at launch. Verizon will NOT.

 
 
Posted by paulomalley Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

I have an easy solution for all you fans of the 9930.... Buy one from Sprint outright and put it a Verizon BYO plan.... I'm in Australia (on Telstra) and don't want to wait till Christmas to get my 9900, so I just bought one on eBay and i'll just transfer my Account over to the new device... Piece of cake really....

 
 
Posted by Yuong Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

Can we get an Offical RIM statement regarding Wifi Hotspot please?

 
 
Posted by sarllc Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

So vzw does it yet again?!?!?
another mess us over job to the users!!!
that is bogus!!!
like someone else said..i would like to have the tech and watch it grow around me!
this plays a major part in my decision to go back to BB!!!!!
sorry RIM!!!

 
 
Posted by BertoTweets Tuesday, Aug 16, 2011 282 days ago

It doesn't bother me that i wouldn't be able to use it, it bothers me that phone is built for it and READY for it, but Verizon wont let it. I don't think it detracts from the phone much though, its still a nice piece of hardware, as for mobile hotspot Verizon over-prices that shit anyway so i wouldn't buy it ^.^ ha, Besides most VISA credit cards/ ATM cards have the "Pass and go" payment thing already in them or atleast mine do. Yes the data transfer would be nice, but in the US it hasn't really caught on, maybe its just me in California. Iv NEVER seen ANYTHING with a NFC chip in it ever. What i do see alot is QR codes. Can't wait for my 9930 im getting it in two weeks :D

 
 
Posted by spencerdl Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 282 days ago

Once again GREED has shown its UGLY face........VERY SAD Verizon.....VERY SAD.

 
 
Posted by lelopet Friday, Aug 19, 2011 280 days ago

Here in Czech republic O2 started a moth ago a pilot project for NFC payments in hypermarkets (two retail networks involved yet). And as it looks like, it requires special application on the phone SIM card. As far as I understood the principle, the carrier is only involved this way: distribution of special SIMs for it. This obviously requires contract between card issuer (VISA here) and the carrier. Maybe somewhere there is the Verizon problem with it...

 
 
Posted by matzadz Friday, Aug 19, 2011 280 days ago

This is plain stupid.
As a developer i don't care what carrier the user has, I want to use NFC.
I guess this explains why NFC doesn't work on my 9900.

As a comparison, NFC on android is not carrier dependent.