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Posted by doubleaa25 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I dont like touch gestures -__-

 
 
Posted by Joseph Holder Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

You read that whole nearly 2,000 word article in two minutes? That's amazing. Look, touch is not only the future, it's the present as well. In the next few years, you'll be hard pressed to find a smartphone that doesn't support touch. If you don't like touch gestures, you'll just have to content yourself with a featurephone, not a Smartphone.

 
 
Posted by Kiddo_24 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

"You read that whole nearly 2,000 word article in two minutes?"
LOL!

Great article. Truth has to be told. I hate that hardware buttons are going away. Seems like only Windows Phone 7 device might be the last to have dedicated camera buttons. Even BlackBerry ditched the 2nd convenience key this year.

 
 
Posted by don_poky Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

HAHA, its Wiki from Small Wonder.

Well I think the swipe from bottom right corner to center of the screen is call functions. Never used that on PlayBook.

Ever seen Dell Venue Pro?

 
 
Posted by Jawbone220 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

+1

 
 
Posted by recompile Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Touch is the future?

Touch is great for a few kinds of interactions. It's a miserable pain in the neck for MANY others.

Why do you think there are so many different approaches to touch-screen keyboards? Because they're difficult to use, of course! If they were half as easy to use as a physical keyboard, we wouldn't need predictive text, swipe, or other novelty interfaces.

The trackpad is basically essential. Without that trackpad, I'd have tossed my 9800 in the bin inside a week.

There is a massive difference between being able to do something, and being able to do something well. (I can get from New York to Chicago on a bicycle, but it's much easier to drive a car!)

Touchscreens don't obsolete anything. The trackpad is still the best interface for hitting small targets, precision cursor movement, and many others. The hardware keyboard is *still* the most intuitive and comfortable way to enter text.

Listen up RIM: We want to keep our trackpad! Don't make us suffer!

 
 
Posted by mailchrisbailey Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Thank you. Ill keep my Bold.

 
 
Posted by JackKennedy Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

LEARN FROM DELL VENUE PRO! Every bloody user switched to Dell Venue Pro said not having the trackpad makes it so much more difficult to use because the finger has to move to top of screen to select anything on top.

If RIM assumes that people won't miss the trackpad, then they can probably assume that people won't miss the whole BlackBerry experience.

 
 
Posted by seb.hebert Friday, Dec 09, 2011 168 days ago

"If RIM assumes that people won't miss the trackpad, then they can probably assume that people won't miss the whole BlackBerry experience."
+1

The trackpad is exactly what is missing on the PlayBook for my experience to be perfect. However, its' size permits the possibility of having a virtual trackpad pulled up from the bottom right corner *wink* *wink*... But when we are dealing with smaller phones here. Often I find myself having to get in close for an edit or a link I cannot be expected to pinch zoom with one hand.

The trackpad, whether hidden in the bottom bezel with a lit up contour *wink* *wink* or a traditional trackpad *single wink* is an essential part of the BlackBerry experience.

I don't like the idea that RIM is taking their BlackBerry and turning it into an iOS/Android bastard child; and not just on the hardware side but also on the software side. That's not innovation, its re-innovation which doesn't make any sense! It's RIMMovation!! And I dont like the looks of it!

And while I'm ranting... BlackBerry10?! Hell just kill the name altogether while you're at it. The only thing they could have done worst would have been calling it BBQ! Except of course everyone loves BBQ so maybe that would have actually worked!

BlackBerry10 is a lazy patch job of a name probably only picked so they could claim BBX is that same name but in roman numerals.

I don't mean to bash, nor am I a hater. I love what I can do with my 9800 and my PlayBook. But I hate thinking that I, a 25 year old consumer, could make better executive decisions in Waterloo.

Don't follow

Lead

*** edit : also, I don't really see an LED on this concept... I swear to god if they don't put an LED on their next gen. devices I'm driving to Waterloo and taking a s**t on their front lawn!!!!

 
 
Posted by sonic7777 Thursday, Apr 12, 2012 43 days ago

I like the trackpad, hardware keys. Those are great. Then there are those that like touchscreen. I have seen people get a touchscreen phone and complain because they accidentally touch the screen or hang up?

Well I like touchscreen and have that with my 9900. Plus when I don't want to touch the screen I have my keyboard.

Then again it's great when people notice my phone and are surprized. (Pleasantly) I don't like following the sheep and I prefer BB.

 
 
Posted by mtint Friday, Dec 09, 2011 168 days ago

Joseph, not exactly sure how long time needed to read 2000 words, but in this (article) case I didn't see point to get to the end. Probably make sense to consider that apples and oranges (berries) are different, and this also is valid trying to "push" for tablet experience to the phone. Size (of the screen) somehow matters. Also found a comment which pretty much goes to the point:

" teamfoster03 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 9 hrs ago
for me the lack of trackpad and dedicated buttons is a FAIL. I buy blackberry because its faster to get work done.The dedicated buttons, trackpad and true keyboard are what makes blackberry a true work tool. Buttonless, trackpadless smartphones are toys for watching videos, playing music and games. "

 
 
Posted by Yousif Abdullah Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

They worked fine for me on the HP Pre3!

Oh, can we say HELLO webOS?

~ Yousif

 
 
Posted by ThePoisonBerry Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Nice read, but just give us the damn buttons and a trackpad!

 
 
Posted by looksee Saturday, Dec 10, 2011 166 days ago

The original Palm Pre was all gestures, save for one central button, and it worked fine, was intuitive and easy to use. Switching apps was miles ahead of BB7- there was true multitasking and little message notifications in every screen- you didn't have to tap anything to see who a message was from or even read the title! I am a fan of a trackpad, though not the optical one on my 9810. I don't like any pad that requires you to lift your thumb from the pad to scroll-like the optical type. The T-Mobile Dash had hands down the best track pad ever-(a 4-direction button D-pad) that provided fast and slow scrolling, precise cursor placement, as well as hyperlink highlighting which I found extremely useful. I'm only highlighting features I wish to be replicated in BB10 devices.

 
 
Posted by jdesignz Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Futuristic! Looking forward to this improvements

Cheers to RIM!

 
 
Posted by kackburt Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

aehm... seriously? That's one big reason why I always go back to BlackBerrys! If there would be an android device with buttons like on my 9900 I would definitely get it!

 
 
Posted by siddo_d Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

What about the famous blackberry button. Appart from that great look I want the 'millan' but I want to see what's next with black forest and nevada, lisbon is the tablet

 
 
Posted by Thunderbuck Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I like the way touch gestures work on the Playbook; they're actually very reliable and usually intuitive.

Even so, I'm finding I really love the touchpad on my Torch, and I make frequent use of it. I'm kinda bummed that they aren't looking to implement anything like that on the Milan.

 
 
Posted by sk8er_tor Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

When you have a phone with a super fast dual core processor powered by QNX, you won't miss the buttons. It'll be super simple to zoom in, select text, press a link when zoomed in, etc. The PlayBook is awesome and the new phones with a faster processor are going to be insane awesome!

 
 
Posted by JackKennedy Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

but when you are typing email and you have to edit something, you will end up moving your finger back and forth from the top of the screen (which will be quite far once it's slide opened) and the keyboard. I don't see why I want typing simple emails to take even longer than now on a future BlackBerry device.

 
 
Posted by AcADIeN Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I mean there is nothing that stop us for creating an app with those button on the bottom of the screen, maybe there will be something already for those BBX phone (which could make sense)

 
 
Posted by MozThaGreat Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I would have liked to see the classic home buttons and track pad buried underneath the touch sensitive display along the bottom of the glass. RIM devices are going epic next year.

 
 
Posted by RoseBud68 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

This looks promising for RIM. Hope this will get them back in the hunt again.

 
 
Posted by snowsquirrel Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

It's isn't like they are gaining screen real estate by removing them. They are just planting a big Blackberry logo there instead.

The missing track pad is a bigger deal. After two years with an iPhone, I still am not as efficient navigating a document/email/etc as I was with the track pad. if they put the buttons on, they might as well stick the track pad back on.

Whatever they do, I hope they do the same thing for all devices, and don't fragment the BBX marketplace as much as they did with their previous devices.

 
 
Posted by bizzyqu Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

That big bezel with the BB logo is for gestures, a key feature of the OS

 
 
Posted by JackKennedy Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

yes, which is a less direct and accurate alternative to the trackpad and the buttons....brilliant

 
 
Posted by Foppa_21 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Love my button-free PlayBook. As for a phone, I'll take the keyboard (and it's shortcuts) over buttons any day.

 
 
Posted by peter9477 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

You forgot about the missing/reserved bottom-right swipe gesture. I still think that may have been held back so that it could play a key role on the phones.

 
 
Posted by DustBow Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

that's an interesting thought

 
 
Posted by bbpandy Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Yea I'm going to keep hoping that they keep a touch sensitive trackpad area for us keyboard users....full touch may be where smartphones are going & I agree RIM needs to keep up with the trends, but they also have to release some devices for us old school guys & gals who have stuck with them due to loyalty to their keys ;)

 
 
Posted by JackKennedy Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

yeah...and I think isn't it a bit late to play catchup now RIM? You are behind other smartphones not just by a mile but by a continent. Releasing a Dell Venue Pro with the BlackBerry brand on it is not going to be too exciting for people. If you are not bringing in new features that the smartphone market current doesn't have, releasing the phone is just redundant.

Releasing 10 underwhelming phones at the same time is still going to be underwhelming. Learn from mistake RIM. You are really going to sink with BB10.

 
 
Posted by seb.hebert Friday, Dec 09, 2011 168 days ago

+1 to everything you say!

 
 
Posted by mss-ca Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

So these new phones comes with the first page of the manual with the following:

"May cause the phone to reboot out of nowhere. This is normal not a defect. This is a new feature build in to all RIM devices. Thank you for choosing Blackberry."

 
 
Posted by blackberry.maniac Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I guess its also possible they integrate an optical trackpad just like on the P'9981, which would be just fine. Even if the whole UI would be based on gestures, it would provide old BlackBerry users and new ones a very interesting attract, so that BB can reach different types of customers.

 
 
Posted by dazza1973 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Looks and sounds good but hopefully the battery with last longer than a day unlike the 9900 9810 that I had!!!! #be2the9780 roll on 9790

 
 
Posted by mckillio Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Maybe the bottom bezel will work as buttons for "single touches", might be annoying if you were going to swipe up on it and then changed your mind though. The center of the bottom bezel could even be used as a track pad.

Getting rid of the buttons should lower production costs, lower product defects and allow a larger screen without an increase in actual device size.

 
 
Posted by JackKennedy Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

the buttons and trackpad are the stuff with the least complaints about defects throughout the years, so....

 
 
Posted by Yamcha Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

The experience is as I expected on Blackberry 10, but to be honest they need to loose the tactile keyboard, I've said it before, but really typing on touch keyboard is a lot faster, I say that having used a Blackberry Curve..

There is just too much compromise by adding an actual keyboard, not only will the device be thicker and heavier, I also suspect it won't be as solid and won't have that premium feel..

Android, iOS, & Windows Phone 7 devices all use touch based keyboards, It amazes me that people even consume any type of media on the current generation BB phones such as 9900, even if the primary target is business users, I just don't see why anyone wouldn't use touch based keyboard, the keys are a lot bigger and easier to type on, and you don't have to loose the screen real-estate... win-win, plus the Playbook has great touch feedback, it simulates touching real keys pretty well with the sound effects..

 
 
Posted by pastornordel Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

i know that most people like touch, but owning a playbook makes me really hate it. touch lacks precision: try put the curser inbetween the two letters that you have missspelled using a finger. touch is unpredictable: every time i try to scroll by touching a web page i inadvertantly open some link on the page and then have to to try to get back. touch is unresponsive. i get a sore finger whacking the screen trying to get it torecognize a touch. to wake up my playbook sometimes takes 3 or 4 swipes or to open a small text screen for typing in a username is just ridiculous. touch is slow. the keyboard shortcutson on my bb are so fast. with 4 'touches' of my shortcut keyboard i can go from home screen to an open new compose e-mail with recipient chosen. i know its all personal and subjective and i just bought my daughter a curve 9380 touch, but the playbook has taught me that touch is'nt for me.

 
 
Posted by blackberry.maniac Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Yeah you're right, but for now, BlackBerry, can't just abandon the physical keyboard just like that! The business market is still (or most part of it) with BlackBerry, and if RIM lets go the physical keyboard, with the dramatic situation of RIM, companies won't have any other reason to hang on to RIM. They have to do the transition progressively, and they are doing it quite well now.

 
 
Posted by sonic7777 Thursday, Apr 12, 2012 43 days ago

Well said. Plus some of us aren't "old school". Either large
Fingers or there are some things some prefer a keyboard for.
Besides if people want to think a phone is better if you touch everything fine. I laugh when so many I see hang up on someone, turn the phone off when they want it on etc.

Some of us prefer a keyboard it's not old school it's different.

I don't follow the sheep of this world I make my own path.

 
 
Posted by recompile Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Funny, the best selling feature phones all have keyboards. Why do you think that is?

Oh, yes. See, customers *want* physical keyboards. Smartphone manufacturers may be ignoring this, but they don't make up the majority of the cell phone market.

When my wife switched from Android to Blackberry, she noted the keyboard as a major advantage over her old phone even though it wasn't a consideration before she switched.

 
 
Posted by teamfoster03 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

for me the lack of trackpad and dedicated buttons is a FAIL. I buy blackberry because its faster to get work done.The dedicated buttons, trackpad and true keyboard are what makes blackberry a true work tool. Buttonless, trackpadless smartphones are toys for watching videos, playing music and games.

 
 
Posted by mailchrisbailey Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Agreed. If you want a candy bar "mini-tablet", go by an Android or iphone. Better yet, just buy a real tablet.

 
 
Posted by JackKennedy Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

or Android's samsung Galaxy Note, which operates very smoothly. I doubt this awkward piece of monstrosity would work as smoothly as Note.

Thanks RIM for making it also difficult to use for old-school BB users. You are not gaining consumer market, you are just trying to lose the business market.

 
 
Posted by koool1 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I am so used to my Playbook that getting used to a QNX will be a snap.

Bring it RIM!!!

 
 
Posted by CrackberryJason Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Don't forget there are other models coming out from blackberry, so I'm sure there will be one model with a qwerty key pad.

 
 
Posted by standard_1664 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I think it's smart. Smart as f**k. Imagine the bold 9900 without the call/menu/esc/end and trackpad. Great keyboard even more screen to touch. What a beauty concept. I'm all for RIM ditching buttons that take up what could be awesome screen space. We don't need them. I'll gladly take the day or two that it takes to change some habits. Some people fear change, and that's okay. They'll just get left behind.

 
 
Posted by recompile Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Imagine the bold 9900 without the call/menu/esc/end and trackpad...

From best Blackberry ever, with a highly productive and intuitive UI to ... something great for leveling my coffee table?

Honestly, I simply can not see why so many people want to see perfectly good features removed. It's not like they're in your way or anything. If you hate the trackpad so much, don't use it.

... and do you really want to swipe to answer calls rather than just pressing a button? Why?

 
 
Posted by ekkescorner Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I can live without the buttons, but I'll really miss the Trackpad.

Always if switching between Touchscreen-BlackBerry and iPhone I know the power of a trackpad:
it's my own choice how to navigate: with gestures on touchscreen or using the optical trackpad.
so many times browser-sites are difficult to navigate with touch only.
or so many applications where I can navigate through different icons / buttons and getting a hover-text is much better instead of click on a button to see what it does.

I know: iPhone and Android is without buttons and trackpad, but why not providing both and give the user the choice. ...would make BlackBerry 10 Touch devices more unique Blackberry devices

 
 
Posted by cray.mock Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Not having any of the buttons would take some time getting use to. Just be sure to have the notification LED and I'll be happy.

 
 
Posted by seb.hebert Friday, Dec 09, 2011 168 days ago

+100000000000

 
 
Posted by badhabit_wb Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I love my blackberry. I use my bold every day. That said if they don't offer a keypad then I would probably end up with an android phone. I use my blackberry primarily for email, text, and phone calls. I don't think anybody makes a smartphone that does these functions as well as blackberry. The keypad makes sending emails much easier than a touch screen. If I lose the keyboard, blackberry will probably lose a customer. They need to remember that a lot of people still use a blackberry for work not play. They need to be different to keep this segment of the marketplace. If they lose the corporate customers they won't survive.

 
 
Posted by Blackberry_boffin Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Informative.
We will have to see the exact solutions they will come up with. I think as long as a call is running, the call App will keep the following soft keys onscreen irregardless of what you are doing: Dial (which turns to Hold when connected), Mute and End.

 
 
Posted by stkola Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I can't wait for this baby to be launched!! I want!

 
 
Posted by PineappleUnderTheSea Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I have the Torch 9800, and using that thing touch only does indeed suck. As well, the slider action makes it top heavy, which means using one hand also sucks.

It might be the way RIM implemented the touch screen, I find that using the touch keyboard on the iPod touch is much more responsive and accurate, as well as clicking buttons and swiping though pages. But again, this is with the 9800, which is no piece of art.

 
 
Posted by dairyberry Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Is there any reason that the hardware buttons can't be replaced with software buttons along tthe bottom of the screen?

This would seem like a good transitional compromise.

 
 
Posted by recompile Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Yes there is. My wife's old android phone had "touch" buttons instead of physical ones. They're way too easy to accidentally press -- and it's very difficult to tell if you've pressed one intentionally.

In short, they're a terrible replacement for physical buttons. They're novel, sure, and novelty is a cheap way to get a 'wow'. Unfortunately, when the novelty wears off, you're stuck with a terrifyingly poor UI for the rest of the device's life...

 
 
Posted by BerryPotter Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

terrible looking phone. would love a 9700 or 9900 form factor with OS 10. Lose the buttons, lose your core customers.

 
 
Posted by 3Dee Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I hate to say this in a way, but I wish that RIM would stop trying to be all things to all people, that should-be iPhone or Android users were to leave BlackBerrys alone, and that RIM would get back to making devices focused purely on business users who want maximum utility for communication.

 
 
Posted by keyser1 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

The whole point of blackberry's with most models is that it has a keyboard. That's what separates it from the competition. So far 9860 is a fail, I should know I work for VAR dealer that ships hundreds of units a month and they have little to no orders for 9860. RIM going down the wrong path again! A co-worker of mine got the new Motorola Razr, the handset has issues with the software and because Motorola decided to follow Apple and others with a non removable battery my co worker had to wait for his handset to completely drain itself before the handset performed a re-boot. Sometimes following others is not the best solution. Physical keypads should remain that's one of the most important strengths of RIM but like my example of the batteries and re-boots companies don't always factor in certain things.

 
 
Posted by Dales Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

The reason I have the blackberry 9900 is the fantastic keyboard and messages app. If you take the keyboard away and try to become another iphone/android clone then why wouldnt I just get one of them to begin with? considering tehyre much further ahead in this field?

And btw, trying to encorporate a keyboard into a huge screen, as seen in the picture looks ridiculous, its about the length of a small car.

 
 
Posted by Thunderbuck Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Um, you do know the prototype in the photo is a slider, right?

 
 
Posted by sunjammer Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I hope there's a dedicated call/end call button... it's one of my annoyances with the iPhone. If I'm on a long call and I need to end it fast (the phone is locked at this point!), I have to click the home button, unlock the phone, type my password, go to the phone app, then hit "End Call" -- that easily takes 10 seconds! Way too long just to end a call! Or, if I'm in another app, I have to quit out of that and go back to the phone app just to end the call?

The dedicated call buttons are far more efficient. Even if they are just virtual buttons on a bezel and not hard physical buttons, those buttons have to be there!

 
 
Posted by shabbs Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

No more Bold-style curved keyboard? Interesting...

 
 
Posted by mjgallaway Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Blackberry is trying WAY too hard to compete with Apple. They now seem to be trying to make the Blackberry's into iphone's. Look at the ear speaker for one. Also, getting rid the the main 4 buttons and the trackpad/ball that made Blackberry famous? Wow. I'm a HUGE BB fan and seeing these new phones makes me want to just get the BB 9900 and pretend they didn't even release these jokes. I don't think they realize how important the trackpad, back, end, call and blackberry buttons really are. Copying text for one. It's hard enough on a tablet with a bigger screen, waaaaaay harder on a 4 inch screen. They should stick to their own unique brand and stop following Apple because they don't really have a chance vs them. That is all.

 
 
Posted by uuyrwds Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Just got the 9860 a few days ago and 'm loving it . I previously had a 9700 and thought I'd never get away from the physical keyboard, but I had no problem adjusting. I don't however, think I would like the phoe as much without the track pad.

 
 
Posted by Wh0mpu5 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I read most of the comments here through out the day , and i gotta say some of you are pretty spot on with discussion. Now i don't use the QWERTY keyboard at all , and i can understand why some still want it. And i am ok if RIM wants to continue to use it for the 1st gen of the next gen phones, as a transitional thing. However , We are in a touch phone world. We need to buck up and move ahead.
Now getting rid the buttons , i am very much sure there is a master plan somewhere with these devices. But no other phone other than BB have them , and they all work fine. Some of you are saying you will go with android if they do this yada yada , Well i got news for you , i have gone to every single OS of phone except windows as finding one cheap enough is hard enough , However to the point , Email is FAR SUPERIOR on a BB , that is where i went back to. I liked the iphone , i liked the android OS , but they all FAIL in comparision to RIM/BB email fuctions. I like to get my emails at the same time my inbox gets them , not 5 minutes later , not 20 minutes later , and that is what i noticed on other phones. is delayed to get emails .
I had a HTC EVO 3d , and i had it check mail constantly , it actually got to the point where hotmail was giving me errors saying i check to many times. With a BB not at all. Remember that when you choose your next phone.

No trackpad !! come on every phone cept BB has no trackpad. i think we will all survive.

This is the future , take it or leave it. but for those who don't like it , i am sorry , you are a minority and thus have a small voice against a grander market with a much bigger voice.
Thats blunt and brutal but the truth .

 
 
Posted by mailchrisbailey Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Rim has already stated that they would not ditch the Bold series even in OS 10.

 
 
Posted by vernon749 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

If they infuse the functionality of the bezel like the playbook, they will have a hit and not a remix if that makes sense. Blackberry has to approach BBX phones with a few things in mind...design (innovative & unique), functionality (powerful, fast, dual cameras, etc.), apps (android and BB), unprecedented battery life, and a huge marketing ploy (I don't care if they need to utilize celebs who are BB faithfuls like Will Iam & Drake, do what it takes!) They need to make a phone better than Samsung, HTC, and Motorola notably. 2012 is your year BB if you take my advice! lol

 
 
Posted by dodger_moore Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

'Phone is an app' .

Cobblers! THE Phone was around before apps, at one point, that's all a mobile phone could do and then increased functionality came afterwards.

It's like say that 'house' is just another part of the furniture.

If dialling on the new BBs is like the iPhone, I won't be getting one.

 
 
Posted by T.L.G Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I find it hilarious that one day people will be bashing RIM for not coming out with phones that are competitive in the smartphone market, and the next, they are complaining about changes that RIM is finally making to ensure their phones are innovative again.

"They are trying too hard to compete with Apple." So then who exactly are they supposed to compete with? For starters, if you believe that a lot of RIM's business is in the corporate space, you're dead wrong. RIM's consumer base has far surpassed it's corporate customer base for a long time now; trust me, I know. And even in the corporate world, the landscape is changing and employees want iPhones and iPads now. So to say that RIM should stop trying to compete with Apple, is kind of a silly statement. If you want RIM to succeed, they NEED to compete with Apple (and Android, Windows Phone, etc.).

Now, I get the whole physical keyboard thing. I'm currently using a touch screen, but I fully appreciate the awesomeness of the 9900 keyboard. RIM understands that, and is going to offer products with physical keyboards that compare to the 9900 keyboard. But physical buttons and track pad are a "must have", really? Why is there such a need for redundancy by including these buttons? "I need the track pad because I can't select small links on the screen or copy and paste easily". Have you ever tried using an iPhone before? It's as easy as doing a quick pinch to zoom and tapping. Takes about the same amount of time that it would take for you to scroll the cursor with the track pad to highlight the link. Regarding copy and paste, if you have ever used an Apple product, you would know that with the right implementation it's a breeze to do.

Now that may sound really Apple fanboy-ish, but it's the reality of the situation. RIM is trying to significantly change here to compete with companies like Apple (like everyone wanted), and now all of a sudden people are complaining that they are going in that direction. What the hell do you want from them? These new phones will incorporate the best of BlackBerry in terms of things like BBM and email, but also put them on par with competitor products.

Just my opinion.

 
 
Posted by Theme Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I have an idea, and I hope this is what gets implemented.

This is basically something that looks good and works great! What you basically have it the blackberry logo and all the buttons sort of transparent, like on the 9900 and 9360 BB keys, but more discrete, almost black but with a thin layer so light can pass through.

Take those and add lights under them, just like the LED, those lights will be of all colours. When you don't want to use the trackpad or BB buttons and want to use gestures, the blackberry logo glows a faint colour of your choice or pulses (can be changed in the options or turned off to save battery), when you want to use the trackpad and BB buttons (it would even be possible to disable the trackpad or the BB buttons separately in the options) all you have to do is swipe the bottom that touch sensitive from left to right or right to left and it will switch over to the next one, this way, when you want the trackpad, it'll be there, when you want to use bottom gestures, it'll be there. It could be changed that when you want to go to the main menu (bottom swipe up for the PlayBook) and it is in trackpad mode, it'll be a swipe from bottom right to left diagonally.

This is one way to have both and it'll look sleek as well as offering versatility.

Or, even a swipe from the bottom (left to right) will make a menu pop up on the screen where a trackpad and BB buttons will be available for use.

Also, I need a second convenience key. I had shortcut me on the left and Camera on the right. Now I have to go on the main screen because shortcut me still doesn't have a key available for me for some reason. Right convenience key is also harder to use when it's used in one hand.

Oh, and the LED could be the bottom swipe part or the top normal LED. Either one works.

But I hope that they can still bring the Nevada (Bold style) with actual keys and 2 convenience keys, a sick battery and who cares about thickness, I need my phone to feel solid and made for business, durability. If they can't put physical keys, do what I mentioned above.

Oh, and curve that keyboard and make it as soft as the 9900 (especially on the Nevada).

Thanks ;)

 
 
Posted by codemaker Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I am guessing ending a call will also be available from the notification area which can be accessed on the playbook by swiping in from one of the top corners.

I am a huge fan of bezel gestures on the playbook. I don't think not having buttons or a trackpad will end up being a big deal at all.

 
 
Posted by crystinonfire Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

This phone looks so terrible. I may just rock my 9700 until the day I die. Either that or until T-mobile gets the iPhone. And I really was bb4life, but that phone is just silly.

 
 
Posted by iwc3714 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

So stoked! I can't wait till the BB ten phones start hitting the market. I'll be camping out to buy the London. =)

 
 
Posted by mailchrisbailey Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

RIM what are you doing? Why follow the masses? Using a touch screen only candybar phone is a terrible experience and that's why I have a Blackberry. If you want this I have an idea for you. Go buy an Android and stick a Blackberry logo on it. Just pretend its a Blackberry. Ill be keeping my Bold 9930, thanks.

 
 
Posted by RocPlayr Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I love the gestures to get around on my PlayBook. Can't wait to experience it on a phone. BTW, that is one sexy phone.

 
 
Posted by duane534 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I'll put this as clearly as I can, and I feel a lot of people might share this sentiment.

If RIM builds a QNX-y Bold 9900, touch screen + home row (keys and trackpad) + QWERTY keyboard (the keyboard they have now), I will buy it on launch day. I hate JVM errors, and I'd love a little Flash goodness.

If RIM abandons any of the above, my next phone won't be a BlackBerry.

 
 
Posted by anthogag Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

Get rid of the buttons...all of them...RIM is on the right track

I don't want menus to scroll through...

Swiping is excellent...

If they get it right...people won't miss the buttons

We need one phone all-touch, one phone with a slider, and one phone with a keyboard

 
 
Posted by MetalxAssassinx Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

i don't mind really about all these Buttons , What RIM is trying to do is to do a new phone Experience for us , the only thing that i will miss is Trackpad (and there SHOULD be a LED light) :)

However for my i would make it like this : add a thick bottom in the keyboard that has a Trackpad in it , so when you type you can scroll through it , if you're browsing , Well when you slide In the keyboard because the Bottom in Thick and it should be also curved or something like that , it won't slide in and it would be almost like the 9860 =D !!

 
 
Posted by 13david77 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

All this talk about the new BB10 devices, and the teaser images are getting me excited. This, is what building hype is all about, if only here in crackberry world haha I love my 9850, but I can't wait to get one of these new phones in my hands :)

 
 
Posted by Pearllover95 Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

This looks, and sounds great! I think RIM is moving in the right direction. The only thing I wish for is a new pearl type of phone!

 
 
Posted by Liquid_Revolver Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

BWAHAHA this phone looks like a mess no one is going to line up for this

 
 
Posted by berryaddictnoza Thursday, Dec 08, 2011 168 days ago

I could see swipe/gesture replacing buttons and trackpad, but it would not be intuitive! (you wouldn't know that a bottom to right side swipe would be the "back' gesture) I guess one could fumble through icons and menus Android-style to make thing happen until one would learn the swipe/gesture short-cuts. I was never good at the Palm Pilot scribble-script thing (hey, that's why I switched to BlackBerry!), I hope the swipe/gesture thing isn't a return of that nightmare!

 
 
Posted by geminiman7 Friday, Dec 09, 2011 168 days ago

Here it goes: If this is indeed the case with BB10, WHAT'S THE POINT in staying with BlackBerry? I chose the BlackBerry platform primarily for its unique hardware interface first and ease-of-use, and software interface second.

If RIM gets rid of the ORIGINAL hardware interface on all BlackBerry's come OS10, what will make it SUPERIOR to WindowsPhone and Android (iPhone is not a option for me since it has NO devices with built-in keyboards)??? NOTHING.

By the time BB10 is released, WindowsPhone 8 will be out and I'm sure Android will have another major update released by then too. After owning a WindowsPhone device (Dell VP) for a couple of months, I was extremely impressed by the OS. But because the OS was "brand new" and it lost many small but very useful features that were available in previous versions, I left the platform for BlackBerry. Since Mango/7.5, Microsoft has about caught back up in features, and IF there were a decent WindowsPhone device with keyboard available now, I MIGHT switch. But the unique hardware interface of BlackBerry's has kept me.

I see no advantage that BlackBerry will have over WP or Android by the time OS10 devices are available, and those OS's will be ahead when BB10 is r released. So I might as well leave BlackBerry once I see with my eyes that this is RIM's "new" direction.

RIM, you will greatly disappoint a lot of people. But I guess your logic is that since Android and iPhone are selling well, "let's follow the pack and get rid of all the buttons!!!"

Silly wabbit.

 
 
Posted by DiegoV_G Friday, Dec 09, 2011 168 days ago

the stupidest idea ever!! i really will not like blackberry phones anymore! no buttons and no trackpad? that really sucks. think i'll just keep my bold 9900 forever until blackberry realizes that the no button idea was bad and they put buttons again

 
 
Posted by Kelton Friday, Dec 09, 2011 168 days ago

My guess is that slab phones are CHEAPER to produce.... rather than the "future". There must have been a crossing point at which these big screens became cheaper than the manufacture of buttons.
I'm in my second week with my android phone.
I'm finding that communicating takes much, much longer on the Android.... and it requires that I fully focus on that screen visually.
On the blackberry, the most that was needed was a flashing glance at the phone.
At home... with lots of free time... sure, I prefer the Android. Actually, I should say that for almost anything other than email, texting, and talking.... I prefer the Android.
Buttonless phones are reeeeeeeeally bad if you have to get things done... other than watching YouTubes.
I miss my blackberry.
P.S. I have a Samsung Stratus. It does have a pretty darn good physical keyboard... but landscape sliders just don't do it.

 
 
Posted by Wandering_Sumo Friday, Dec 09, 2011 167 days ago

This feels like another case of "design" by copying everybody else and claiming that's what the market wants. I'm not optimistic about how this design will work or about RIM's future.

 
 
Posted by gnirkatto Friday, Dec 09, 2011 167 days ago

I just returned to my home from a Xmas shopping outing. Had to stand in the very busy subway for over 20 minutes, with 3 or four shopping bags in my right hand and my Torch 9810 in my left.
This configuration allowed me to relatively comfortable read newspapers and emails and to even write and send some short text messages, without making too many mistakes, and without constantly being concerned of dropping the phone because of having to change grip.

This would have never ever worked with a touchscreen only device. I don't give a damn on who believes what is popular at the moment and what not. I want a phone with keyboard AND buttons, and I think there still is a big market for such devices out there (every other individual that I know prefers buttons & keys, even those who couldn't resist iPhones or Androids envy BB users when fast typing and blind operation is required).

If my preferred phone company RIM decides to no longer make such devices, I regretfully will look elsewhere (or maybe stock up on some of the current Bolds and slider-Torches, so they last a few more years).

 
 
Posted by yeohda Friday, Dec 09, 2011 167 days ago

touch is the future there is no doubt about that, but physical still is just as important which is why the 9900/9790 are great. to put it simply, i typed this using my playbook - great device, love it to bits - but when i wanted to scroll to the bottom to add a comment? swipe, swipe swipe swipe. on my 9700? hit 'B'. done.
in an email and want to reply? 'R'. Forward? 'F'. and the examples can continue...
i asked a friend about the scrolling to top or bottom on their crApple and they spent a minute or two trying to figure it out without swipeswipeswipeswipe.

 
 
Posted by MrsD. Friday, Dec 09, 2011 167 days ago

My two cents. The bb browser sucks! There are apps that I have on my work issued iPad that I would love to have on my bb. I stay with blackberry because of the keyboard and dedicated buttons. I get that change can be good. If bb doesn't keep some phones with the keyboard and dedicated buttons - I'll move where the browser and apps are great.

 
 
Posted by blue200316 Saturday, Dec 10, 2011 167 days ago

How do I Alt+Right Shift+Del, in these full touch screen BB? ;)

 
 
Posted by XDrew42 Saturday, Dec 10, 2011 166 days ago

did we not buy QNX Just use that. It is the coolest name so far.

 
 
Posted by lw4comm Saturday, Dec 10, 2011 166 days ago

The Torch 9810 seemed to be the starting point of a perfect world; full touchscreen, buttons and the slide out keyboard. HOWEVER, I'm a Sprint customer and will never go back to AT&T. Then, they bring the torch to Sprint AND IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PHONE! No keyboard. What kind of mess is that. I know RIM would have had better numbers on the Torch had they kept the same specs for all carriers. But I really believe the ability to navigate the phone with one hand, whether larger or small hands, is the signature mark of Blackberry. Without that, it's may not feel like a Blackberry and they will lose the "simple" market.

 
 
Posted by istring Sunday, Dec 11, 2011 166 days ago

Touch gestures are where its at. I'm a webos fan, and whenever i pick up another phone i miss those fantastic little gestures.