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Posted by joski Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I completely agree!

 
 
Posted by The Legendary Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

I do too but think it should be implemented differently. I think that RIM should build into the code a section called key storage. This will always be preserved by the device and reloaded. It could then allow developers to link their registration to this section so that its preserved, so if you buy and app like it but your phone is running slow you can delete the app and download it again at anytime you want (especially considering most trials are just time based version of the real app) without having to write the key down as it will still be saved in a Key storage api. BUT the thing is this keystorage api would have to be hardlocked into the device + md5 hash encrypted and more so that no one could use this to create a keygen.

 
 
Posted by _X_ Tuesday, May 11, 2010 641 days ago

Having to upgrade is a huge Pain. What is even worse is when you get a device replacement and you have to go back to the company to unregistered your previous device and have them cut you out another registration code.

While most of the companies where really quick about getting back to me it was a HUGE hassle having to get in touch with each company.

=X=

 
 
Posted by _X_ Tuesday, May 11, 2010 641 days ago

Having to upgrade is a huge Pain. What is even worse is when you get a device replacement and you have to go back to the company to unregistered your previous device and have them cut you out another registration code.

While most of the companies where really quick about getting back to me it was a HUGE hassle having to get in touch with each company.

=X=

 
 
Posted by jxj41173 Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

...I got an idea!!!

stop upgrading your os every 5mins. What on earth is so exciting about an OS leak? Does it prevent global warming, stop violence, hunger?

haha! Just wondering. I mean really, if it's that much of a pain, why install every leak that leaks. lmao!

 
 
Posted by kram941 Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

Yeah change the way people use their phone instead of addressing the problem...great idea.

 
 
Posted by jxj41173 Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

...if you make it a problem. Y'all are just inconvenienced by the whole process, so you are complaining. That's what I see.

 
 
Posted by Simon Sage Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

I kind of agree with jx. Your average BlackBerry user probably doesn't switch OSes or installs as many apps as your average CrackBerry forum-goer. Some of the devs have chimed in here that it's a developer issue; if anywhere, that's where most of the finger-pointing should go.

 
 
Posted by netposer Tuesday, May 11, 2010 641 days ago

It's not just about upgrading to every leaked OS that you can find. I recently replaced my Bold 9000 (headphone jack was broken). Now my PIN has changed and it's a hassle to get a new PIN. In our IT group we have about a half dozen applications 5 of us use and it's a royal pain to keep up with all the reg codes and PIN associations.

Have you ever tried to contact some of these developers about issues with multiple devices regarding reg codes and PINs?

 
 
Posted by jsn204 Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

i know on every os re-install, quicklaunch is an app that auto inputs my activation code for me

 
 
Posted by dimm0k Wednesday, May 12, 2010 640 days ago

Indeed QL does! Pretty convenient if developers would adopt this as getting RIM to do it would seem to be something that is not as needed by everyone.

 
 
Posted by remicks Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

+1 man, well said.

 
 
Posted by bimmerny Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Same here I'm completely with you on that one Bla1ze. Everytime I see a new leaked OS for the 9700 it is bitter sweet. I eager to discover new features but reluctant because of all the hassle of registering all my apps again.

 
 
Posted by Roscopcoletrain Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

This is such a good idea!

 
 
Posted by Gear85 Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Also agree , well said, and completely agree.

 
 
Posted by chriscoleman Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

This post is gonna get a LOT of interest!! I certainly hope this is addressed soon, as I feel your pain with re-activating all my apps!!

Great post ;)

 
 
Posted by cjsph88 Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

AMEN!! I love how you highlighted Berryweather; the code for that one is like 15 characters long!

 
 
Posted by bbtweeps Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

This is a no-brainer. RIM really has continued to drop the ball on this issue. A few developers have pioneered some work arounds, but they shouldn't even have to!

In any case, whether official through RIM or just as a developer collective, I hope that backing up settings to the SD card becomes a standardized practice.

The upside is that I have re-registered and set up all of my apps so many times that it is impressive to watch me set up my phone after an OS install. I'm like a machine. A really dorky, pathetic machine who prides himself on how fast he can install/register/setup apps.

Take that, dad.

 
 
Posted by thpsrulr Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

i think this should be something simple that RIM could fix pretty easily.

 
 
Posted by shaolinfinest Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I feel the same, I have not even installed the latest 9700 update because I am tired of going through and registering my apps that I purchased.

 
 
Posted by cbresciani Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I'm running OS .607 on my 9550 don't really like it, I would like to go back to .517 but don't want to re-register all my apps again. What a pain!!

 
 
Posted by californiablackberry Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I don't really use paid applications, so I wouldn't know how it feels :P

 
 
Posted by zaventh Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

There is another way developers can keep an app registered without an entire webservice if you use the Desktop Manager to upgrade your device. In our apps, such as QuickPull, we save the registration code during the Desktop Manager's automatic backup process. Then, once the OS is loaded, the backup is automatically restored, and the app just needs to check it and re-register the app.

The reason reg codes are lost usually is because apps use the PersistentStore feature of BlackBerry devices. This data survives battery pulls, but not OS upgrades. I doubt RIM would ever changes this because they themselves use the PersistentStore, and the Calendar app on build 607 stores some data there, and then you upgrade to build 710, that old data may not be in a valid construct anymore. It's much easier to just clear it all out on an upgrade than try to worry about it. The same goes with third party apps for that matter.

 
 
Posted by jcarty Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I believe your suggestion is the best way since syncable items are backed up during an OS upgrade (not sure about OTA upgrades) but I have yet to get around to looking at it.

Looked over-engineered based on the samples.

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

As a developer I can tell you that saving the data to the desktop manager during an upgrade can be implemented, and there is no reason not to save the registration code there, and then auto-reregister upon reboot.

Developers should check out net.rim.device.api.synchronization.SyncItem and use it along with your net.rim.device.api.system.PersistentObject and net.rim.device.api.system.PersistentStore classes. It is actually rather easy to use.

This is how both Pixelated Plus and 10,000 Farkle are able to maintain your high scores and achievements through OS upgrades...

 
 
Posted by jcarty Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

Developers send me a message so I can get you over to one of the sites I know that's pirating BB apps and games. Let me just say the MOST POPULAR APPS and GAMES are on it for free and most of you may not know about it.

I will not post it here though (for obvious reasons).

 
 
Posted by wersch Tuesday, May 11, 2010 641 days ago

I would be interested as I am having a few apps being developed for sale right now.

Please and thank you.

 
 
Posted by KattDaon Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Even though I dont use paid apps because like what I need paypal for first of all and why can't purchasing apps be more easier and have carrier billing or BlackBerry App World to give more options like iTunes does like Credit or Debit cards, Pal Pal or etc but they should automatically register our registration code and also RIM needs to step up on device memory if they tryna compete with Apple which that is another topic. The minimum app memory for an iphone device is 4GB and their top max is 32GB of memory for apps, games and etc. Like come on now likw what the hell is 256 MB or 512MB. SMH! Oh, RIM games for blackberry is another thing. Some are alright but compared to the iphone with tons of games not evengames but apps. SMH!

 
 
Posted by Tee00max Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I agree 100%!!! with me constantly upgrading and trying different hybrids im always having to put the codes back in and I have so many paid apps.

 
 
Posted by LoneDwarf Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

The support is already there. Any app can do a look up of the license key as RIM stores it with the app someplace. I don't recall where, perhaps the jad. Anyway, my games all have support to look up the license key as I am sure many others do.

So what is the problem?

1)There is no documentation on this. You have to search the dev forums to even know it exists and then find some piece of code that RIM more or less gave out.
2)There is no way to test whether it works.

Does anyone know if mine works?

 
 
Posted by djrdan6 Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

Unfortuntely, not for the games I have. I have to manually put in the code for Wrath. You guys did Freddy Falling too right? Well I have to put the code in on that one too. And it doesn't save my high scores :( But they're phenomenal games so I'm not complaining! :p

 
 
Posted by CatAlex Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I've been saying this same thing for a long time, too. Great post! Hopefully this gets a lot of app dev attention and action!

 
 
Posted by AFriske Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

+1

 
 
Posted by surfmly29 Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Completely agree. Even if you had to use desktop manager like the one post above, something that was documented and all apps that worked with it is fine. Anything is better than what is out there now.... keeps us from buying more apps as well, so the dev community should jump on this to fix it if RIM won't.

 
 
Posted by jwmax Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

why do you have the quick pull app. You can do a reboot by simply pressing Alt, Shift, Delete.

???

 
 
Posted by 07thking Tuesday, May 11, 2010 642 days ago

Wow dude never knew that, just tried it and it worked.

 
 
Posted by 1magine Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Tether is a perfect example of an application that just works right. When I upgrade/ downgrade my OS it goes online and checks my PIN. Change device just go on-line and change PIN on-line. Simple, easy no BS. Berry Weather, Docs to Go, Garmin Mobile etc... WTF!! My take is that these developers either 1. don't give a rat's arse about the end user, or 2. are dishonest business people who are looking to score a few extra bucks from users that lose their registration info. Either way, it doesn't reflect well on them.

 
 
Posted by EpicDraws Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Many of our applications support auto-registration to save the hassle here. To be honest, I am not sure this is a problem RIM needs to solve.

 
 
Posted by BeccaLynn Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I couldn't agree more!!!! Anyone listening??

 
 
Posted by Jaredius Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Please fix this RIM and/or developers. This is yet one more negative being a Blackberry user that the competition doesn't have to deal with. The awesome physical keyboard only gets you so far.

 
 
Posted by jcarty Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

This is partially a developer problem and partially a RIM problem. Just connecting to the internet is a headache within the code unless you have a library.

This is part of the reason I have left registration out in the beginning but I'm starting to implement it in the most convenient way possible.

I believe we developers just want to get the app out ASAP and somehow protect our apps from piracy (guys check around your apps are being stolen btw).

So this is something RIM can definitely help developers on but it's up to the developer to implement it.

 
 
Posted by 318sugarhill Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I've been considering the switch to Android and this is one of the factors. After my 5th install of an OS on my TOUR, I get tire of searching through my saved messages for the activation codes for berrybuzz and meterberry. Real annoying. I also hate having to reread and accept the license agreement for every app like its the first time ever using it. Another behind the 8 ball for RIM in my honest opinion. The only thing holding me back from the HTC incredible is lack of physical keyboard and the lack of desire to learn a whole new phone OS. It took me 6 months just to learn everything I know about the BB.

 
 
Posted by MrWireless31 Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

This is great and all, but this has been discussed and beaten do death in nearly every device's Forums for the past several months now. And it's only getting main-page attention now, and not even acknowledging the forum posters?! I'm not screaming plagiarism, but it does seem like the Crackberry Brass is trying to claim some of its members' ideas as their own without giving them credit. And I don't like it.

 
 
Posted by MrWireless31 Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

This is great and all, but this has been discussed and beaten do death in nearly every device's Forums for the past several months now. And it's only getting main-page attention now, and not even acknowledging the forum posters?! I'm not screaming plagiarism, but it does seem like the Crackberry Brass is trying to claim some of its members' ideas as their own without giving them credit. And I don't like it.

 
 
Posted by jbezeau Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I dealt with this for the first time the other day. i had no idea i had to hang on to my registration code for berrybuzz. I had to sort through a million emails to find the code. also with berry buzz all my application preferences all reset which was also a giant pain in the ass to re do them all

 
 
Posted by lennonbt Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Completely sick of this behavior!!! Would it really be that hard to change this behavior?

 
 
Posted by Trax95008 Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

i vote for.... AGREE!!!

 
 
Posted by lovelo Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

I totally agree. I am constantly getting refurbished phones and every time I have to change my pin. With a few in particular it takes them days at a time to respond to an email to change it in their system and it is a biggggggg hassle its the most annoying thing! Please listen to this. Please hear our cries.

 
 
Posted by fusioncal Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Finally someone speaks my mind! I totally agree with you. As someone who frequently upgrades his BlackBerry everytime there's new OS both leaked and official, going through so many re-registering apps can be so much pain in the butt.

 
 
Posted by muse480 Monday, May 10, 2010 642 days ago

Damn straight! Do I really have to pay for an app to manage and reregister something as basic as this???!!! It's bad enough i can't two-way directly to gmail, but this is really stooopid. Not stupid, but stooopid.