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Posted by sarfrazfamily Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

well I didn't read all the info I just checked out the cute phones lol!! (such a girl right?)

really nice and I love the white.

I wish they would send to Canada, I'd love to get one done!! yay!!

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

Can I have it? Hah, ha.

 
 
Posted by Futurdreamz Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

RIM said that they are now focusing on getting the bowser to render properly (BTW can you please show he results for the Acid, Acid2, and Acid3 tests?) and after that they are supposed to be working on stability and speed.

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

Holy Massive blog post batman, still got nothing on the novels you write and call emails though :P

Aside from that...regarding the post, I have been on a lot of sites lately looking at everybodys reaction to the BlackBerry Bold...noticing a lot of issues with the device at this point...the biggest seemingly is the browser issue, as well as the "App Error 205" bug that seems to be plaguing the Bolds, at this point i'm kind of glad I haven't taken the leap yet to the Bold...maybe all the stuff about it NOT being ready are turning out to be true...which makes me wonder why RIM would sacrifice their history of great quality products, just to release something not ready...seems like a Microsoft kind of way to go..launch it, knowing it's buggy..use the users of it as beta testers and fix it based on their findings...Broken product..fixed via patches..Maybe the iPhone rush forced RIM to go that way, but even then I still don't understand why they would sacrifice a quality product and their reputation on that alone.

PS: Send me one of your Bolds, I'll do some testing and send you the results...we can rule out that geograhpic thing, although I cant guarantee the Bold will come back...just the test results :P

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

Yeah, been getting lots of those. Only on reboots though.

Once the device gets buggy and glitchy, I try to doing a soft reboot. Leads to an App Error 205. From there another soft reboot or battery pull seems to get it back up and running.

 
 
Posted by speedmetal69 Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I tried a soft reset and it didn't work, So I pulled that battery and now it seems fine ):<
What the hell is that error anyway??

 
 
Posted by Crack Addict 007 Saturday, Aug 30, 2008 1252 days ago

Just wondering Kevin, at this stage in the new OS game for the Bold and all the problems with the browser, would you stick with the Curve until the issues are worked out? Or is the Bold's problems worth working putting up with until there is some sort of update for it?

 
 
Posted by blackops Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

WTF Rim?! All these delays and you still can't get it right? Hopefully they can get this fixed SOON!

 
 
Posted by aeldes1 Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

I just tried crackberry.com, with out Java script over Wi-Fi loads in under a minute for sure (no timer on me at the moment)... with Javascript (cache cleared), it takes longer but is still not more than 2 minutes I figure...

P.S. I'm probably using a newer version of the OS than you ;)

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

I have no doubt something is messed with my WiFi.

The bigger test is over 3G and the Internet browser.

Try visiting CrackBerry.com. Should be maybe 35 - 45 seconds (signal strength at -70). Try again with Javascript Support on. That's the BIG glitch here.

It should maybe add 10 seconds or something. But right it messes things up.

If you're running newer code than 4.6.0.125 then yeah, hopefully things are better. But I'm running what was delivered on the device I bought over the counter a few days ago. Should never have been released if this issue is as widespread as it seems to be.

 
 
Posted by aeldes1 Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I did try with Javascript on afterwards (as I said earlier).. it did take longer, you're correct. But it did load...and did not take that much longer IMO

I understand your frustrations. In all honesty though, the browser is probably the weakest link on the Bold from what I've seen. It also seems to me that the browser runs good only after a reboot. Kind of like Windows, I'm disappointed to say..

Saying that however, it slowly keeps getting better and better. Compare it with the pre-release Bold you got... You'll say that RIM should've waited more till they released it, but apparently for them it made good business sense. It will be frustrating for the early upgraders, but it will help get feedback for other devices that are to come out. I hope.

 
 
Posted by eZainny Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

The biggest problem with RIM is that even if they do get the Bold's browser fixed in a future OS release, the average person doesn't know how to do an OS upgrade so they're screwed. RIM's OS upgrade mechanism is stupid, and totally unlike Apple's. If Apple screws up something on the software side with the iPhone they simply push out the update, and boom, it's instantly available for *everybody in the world* and the upgrade process is easy.

OS 4.5 & 4.6 were supposed to introduce Over-The-Air OS upgrading, but it's only available for devices on a BES. In other words, for a lot of the Bold's that are being sold to *consumers* now, the OS that comes with the device is the OS they're going to have forever. Their experience will be crappy, like yours Kev, and they'll be annoyed.

And I didn't even talk about the fact that the Bold SHIPS WITH JavaScript turned OFF. WTF? How the hell are developers ever supposed to create compelling web-applications without JavaScript? Is this a joke or something?

I used to use Viigo on my BlackBerry but now since I have an iPhone I've been using the Google Reader web application which is spankingly brilliant - you just can't beat synchronization between your mobile and your desktop world.

Without JavaScript turned on by default, no company or developer is going to give a stuff even trying to create web applications for the BlackBerry.

What a totally wasted opportunity.

 
 
Posted by davekilpatrick Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 1253 days ago

Very nice effort. My wife and I are looking forward to the bold here in the U.S. Your right hopefully they will get the javascript bug nailed down before it comes to AT&T. No worries gives me more time to save the money, afterall I'll be buying two as well.

 
 
Posted by kelvinlin Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

interesting read and definately delayed my purchasing of the bold until you get some answers/solutions (was originally going to get it september 2nd)
Have you also spoken to RIM about any of the memory leaks that you have been experiencing? i thgouth 128 would be plenty seeing as how my curve runs fine on 64mb, but it seems like the bold is terrible in that department as well

 
 
Posted by sh0NzLOOL Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

The text in the last time chart is sooooooooo funny. "gave up WTF?" That is the killer. Hilarious

I have waited for what felt like years for the Bold to release. I gave up and went to the iPhone 3G and I must say I couldnt be happier. I really wanted the bold to be good tho, rather unfortunate to say the least.

 
 
Posted by swamp_water Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

OK I'm sorry, call it JEALOUSY if you like but ever since you got your first Bold on E-Eff'n-Bay I've really not liked you or the Crackberry web site! Yeah that's right! Your posts are always dropping the "Bold Bomb" and it has been just so annoying! No wait, thats not fair. I think it's because of your success... Whatever I admit it's messed up but I'm dubbing you Kevin Michaluk my new "NEMESIS". (yes I only had one Nemesis before you. He worked at Starbucks. It's a long story.)

Now today after reading your post I can finally feel vindicated and I actually enjoyed hearing about your Bold Issues! Yes that's right... No browsing with Javascript enabled! Ha Ha Ha Ha! Now whose laughing! Me that's who!!!

BTW I love your pod casts

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I only ever had one NEMESIS too... also a long story. We should meet up one day and tell each other our NEMESIS stories. Though I guess I know one of yours now.

Shoot me an email. kevin at crackberry.com. I think you NEED to be a guest soon on our CrackBerry Podcast. Will make for an awesome show.

Hopefully you have a killer radio voice that's better than mine - not my calling, that's for sure. It's definitely Craig that holds the show together :)

 
 
Posted by Frederic Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I've tried a couple on Opera 9.5 on my HTC Touch, EVDO

There is something really weird with TheiPhoneBlog.com. It loaded almost all the page in 20 seconds, but then it hung there for more than a minute. It's like there is some weird time on on the ads served on the page.

If there is a problem with third party ad servers, you will indeed be affected by your geographic locations. I'm not getting the same ads here in Montreal as you are.

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Theirs a spot to enable "Location Based Java Script" on the Bold...which SHOULD be addressing the issues with location based ad's being served.

Not sure if Kevin enabled that though! May be something to look at.

 
 
Posted by Jeremyblaze Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I have always had issues with JS on my Pearl 8100 not being acceptable. Fortunately, only 1 site I ever go to needs JS to function for me, but its a killer. Normally, I grab my buddy's iPhone and visit that site.

Plus CSS and page rendering is all over the place with the new 4.5 for 8100. Most pages render better with CSS on, but 2 that I read are much worse (including Pinstack) and 2 (CrackBerry and BGR) won't even load.

Those are the very issues I hoped RIM had knocked out before my next BB - as I am awaiting the Storm/Thunder.

As for your WiFi, my only question/hint would be are you using b/g or draft(N). It could be that your router IS the problem in this case. I of course would hate to think RIM didnt look forward to N and backwards at b/g as both being required, though.

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I think the Router could be the issue to in regards to the WiFi/Hotspot browser, but it's just weird how it seems fine. SOME STUFF will load..it's not like there's no connection at all. So info is getting through.

I tried from several different spots too - so either they're all bad, or both my devices have some weird glitch. I'm not sure.

Either way, the iPhone 3G works fine on all the locations that are giving me glitches.

 
 
Posted by Jeremyblaze Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

it is called Draft(N) for a reason, its not completely set, and while technically backwards compatible, I suspect that could be the reason some info is getting through at what seems like Edge speeds. Either way, RIM is really missing the mark on all of these issues.

 
 
Posted by jeremyblaze Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

lol, the JS issue was enough to get me to finally register at CB instead of just browse

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Welcome Officially to the site. Too FUNNY. Glad the JS misfortunes got you in here. :)

 
 
Posted by Defense :) Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I'm going to have to defend the BB bold here. The theiphoneblog.com loaded in under 30 seconds for me using the hotspot browser. Not sure what's up with yours... :(

 
 
Posted by Defense :) Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

That was in 3G mode with js off.

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

yeah, for me 3G mode with JS off is what worked just fine. The browser is completely useable in that mode.

It's when Javascript gets turned on while browsing over 3G that the browsing time goes up BIG time.

And for Most people the WiFi Browsers seem to be working ok. There's just "something" going on with mine that seems really really really out of whack. Don't know the explanation for it yet, but there has to be one.

 
 
Posted by CrackBerryHarry Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Um... it took you 4 days to figure it out?

I've been reporting browsing issues since last Friday.

WiFi is dodgy on the Bold. 3G browsing is just broken.

There's also an insane desire for this piece of junk to want to switch to a 1 bar Edge signal when there is a 5 bar 3G signal. No idea what that's about.

Where the hell is the new OS from Rogers?

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

No No. I figured out the problems the FIRST time I tried the browser out (that's in the post). I just spent four days working to try and get it diagnosed, acknowledged, and fixed.

My goal here was to do the Browser shootout. Never expected it to turn into a Bold's Browser is Buggered post, but once it became apparent that I'd never be able to fill in my spreadsheets with valid times from the Bold I figured the only thing to do was blog my experiences of the week.

 
 
Posted by Defense :) Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Wow, you guys are right. If the iphone really is that fast, and processing all the javascript, then the bold's processor either sucks, is doing too much other things in the background, or something else software related.

It could be that the iphone is not really running all the javascript, but that is unlikely.

 
 
Posted by eZainny Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Regarding the iPhone, as you say, it is highly unlikely it is not running all the JS. There are some beautiful AJAX (The 'J' is for JavaScript FYI) web applications that are available for the iPhone. It's the real deal...

I can count the number of BlackBerry web-applications on one hand. I can count the number of *good* BlackBerry web-applications with no hands.

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

In June 2008, the Javascript interpreter on Safari saw a major overhaul:
http://webkit.org/blog/189/announcing-squirrelfish/

 
 
Posted by Defense :) -- ?? Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Then, hoping the bold's hardware doesn't completely suck, it's a major software issue going on here.

I'm not certain, but I believe that since the iphone has 8GB of space by default, it has a decent amount of RAM, and the bold's 1GB default space means it wasn't even meant to compete in this space.

 
 
Posted by Defense :) -- ?? Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Nevermind, bold and iphone have same amount of RAM.

So there is still hope? ;)

Only thing I can think of now is virtual memory page faults eating up processor time, or something. But probably general software issues that can indeed be cleared up (phew!).

 
 
Posted by freinhar Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Sadly enough, I have to say that I've been running into the same problem as Kevin.

I purchased a BB Bold from Rogers a few days back - amazing device, I'm in love with it!

At first, the browser worked beautifully. With JS turned on however, or if browsing on WIFI, pages would take minutes to load or fail to load at all.

:(

 
 
Posted by Defense :) -- ?? Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I wonder if getting the 8GB micro sd card would help? That's the only thing left to try and get iphone and bold on level playing field.

 
 
Posted by Defense :) -- ?? Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I'm starting to think that guaranteed to get better speeds the 8GB+ space is needed. By the way, what's the max micro SD card the bold can handle?

 
 
Posted by Defense :) -- ?? Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

ok, enough of my ranting, anyway, according to gizmodo it supports the 8GB and is expected to support the newer 16GB as well.

So Kevin, you neglected another way RIM has jacked the price in your unboxing of the bold---you guaranteed have to buy yourself a micro SD :(((

I only have a few pics and a small video, already told me to delete the languages I wasn't using, cleared cache and all, and already am down to under 3MB free file space.

 
 
Posted by Alienware_51 Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Whoa. That was the longest blog post I ever read. Kudos to Kevin for taking the time to write all that for us CrackBerry users out there, even though it wasn't what he wanted to write, that still was awesome. I hope RIM can push out a firmware update to fix all the Bold users' out there. Looking forward to see RIM's final fix/response on this issue. Hopefully soon.

 
 
Posted by eccbrown Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I live in Calgary, and thought what the heck, I'll try as well. Downtown Calgary, 1:00 AM.

Starting the tests with the 3G, They were simular to the results you had. The only major difference in times was trying to load 3G w/JS:

Here's just a few examples of the sites.

wjs.com: 8 mins, 23 seconds
theiphoneblog.com: 4 mins, 54 seconds
Sportsnet.ca: 1 min, 17 seconds
Drudge.com: 35 seconds
rueters.com: 1 min, 6 seconds.

Signal: -70 DBM for 3G

So, I must agree with you 100%. I really wonder how the techs got fast times for these sites.

Even hardcoding the APN to internet.com or blackberry.net didn't help much either.
Hopefully this helps.

Here's hoping it gets fixed ASAP...

 
 
Posted by otto Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I would love to see this test using Opera on the Bold as it seems RIM just can't get that browser right.

 
 
Posted by WayneWTF Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

This makes me want to analyze the coding of some of these pages to figure out what the deal is. I think I might peruse some of the code on the iphoneblog vs natgeo. Im curious if you had the same results using the bb browser with js on...

Anyhow before I spend hours breaking down bad code heres something to look at.

theiphoneblog.com
Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 136
Total Size: 1313957 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes) Download @ 56K (seconds) Download @ T1 (seconds)
HTML: 104058 21.54 1.35
HTML Images: 743296 157.34 13.14
CSS Images: 193927 50.45 12.83
Total Images: 937223 207.79 25.97
Javascript: 246375 52.90 5.11
CSS: 25392 6.46 1.53
Multimedia: 909 0.38 0.20
Other: 0 0.00 0.00

NationalGeographic
Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 46
Total Size: 359785 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes) Download @ 56K (seconds) Download @ T1 (seconds)
HTML: 47703 10.11 0.85
HTML Images: 220469 49.74 6.97
CSS Images: 20746 5.73 1.71
Total Images: 241215 55.47 8.68
Javascript: 60572 12.67 0.92
CSS: 10295 2.65 0.65
Multimedia: 0 0.00 0.00
Other: 0 0.00 0.00

Its worth mentioning that the iphone blog has missing images.

You should try hitting up one the connection speed sites with your bolds and iphones and see what kind of numbers you get from that.

 
 
Posted by sonny21 Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

I read the whole thing and it's rather disappointing about the bold's browser with js. I don't think you failed at all, quite the opposite. Since one of the objectives was to see how fast it really is, and we've found out. Right now bold's browser with js sucks!

RIM needs to step it up!

Btw, any upcoming info's regarding BB 9220? So eager for any news for that 3g Javalin.

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

But is anyone else encountering an email notification problem with their Bold?

After reading an unread email and then hitting the back button (to go back to the home screen) 5 mins later I get another notification of a new message but its the same email I just read. I've checked all the email options and such but all the settings seem fine.

Just wondering if anyone else is encountering this issue and if there is anyone way to fix it.

:)

P.S

I love my Bold. I just got my wisdon teeth pulled and it has since been my bedside companion helping me through this tough time. I love you Brutus (a.k.a my Blackberry Bold)

 
 
Posted by Katliv Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

My bold is having the same problems with JavaScript and so are those of some of my friends. Not cool.

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Oh God , should I regret buying this thing now?
How are we ever going to use 6 GB a month with this slowness of the browser? I'm pissed and there better be a fix in sight else I will use my 30 day 30 min exchange with Rogers.

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

This browser needs much more improvement ( i.e no flash support and now javascript doesn't work?!?!

 
 
Posted by Havethebold Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

All bold owners out there.. I have come to learn that some of us have and some don't have the wireless update feature. I was wondering who out there has the wireless update feature from their bold? I called rogers over it they told me some of the units shipped with it and some did not.

 
 
Posted by mcosta Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Hey Kevin,

I know this is a litlle off topic, but I figured this was usefull info to us crackers. Take a look at the link below for further info.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/08/29/blackberry-bold-set-to-be-rele...

Consider this a pretty solid bit of info, though it has not been double or triple confirmed like we normally like to do, and well, we saw what happened with Rogers. We’ve heard from pretty high up source at AT&T that they’re aiming to have the BlackBerry Bold in stores on October 2nd. That’s a Thursday, so we’re assuming the full launch would be on the following Monday, the 6th. Let’s see how this pans out…

 
 
Posted by nzwagman Friday, Aug 29, 2008 1253 days ago

Thanks for being the Guinea Pigs. I'll just treasure my Curve for now.