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Posted by forsakenwaste5 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 470 days ago

no one cares about kik.

 
 
Posted by Stang68 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

I know plenty of people on its and Android (including myself) that use Kik everyday. I would love to have my Blackberry friends use Kik as it's essentially BBM for all platforms. I'll just have to wait until they drop Blackberry then, which should be soon, anyways.

 
 
Posted by rbrodeur Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

EXACTLY! You hit the nail right on the head. "it's essentially BBM for all platforms". THAT is why RIM is going after Kik. There must be merit to RIM's claim that Kik is infringing on patents. RIM wouldn't file a lawsuit without researching Kik and it's source code. Goodbye Kik!!!!

 
 
Posted by _X_ Friday, Feb 11, 2011 468 days ago

Not really, it's very common for bigger companies to sue smaller companies even if their claim has not chance at winning. The idea is to tie up their resources by fighting expensive law suites until they give up or are drained of resources.

Kik is a very small company and chances are if they are giving away a free product they are not making much money.

=X=

 
 
Posted by prown01 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 470 days ago

Pretty much all of today's post had multiple grammatical errors?
*probably because this post was pretty late*

 
 
Posted by XWolf Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

You mean "today's posts", surely?

 
 
Posted by cmcichon Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

ha ha, nice catch!

... and don't call me surely ;)

 
 
Posted by swamp_water Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

... and don't call me Shirley ;)

 
 
Posted by devGOD Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 470 days ago

When the first happened this didn't sit well with me... what RIM did. Another reason why I'll never by another RIM product. It's not about brand loyalty or being a fanboy, its clear what RIM is trying to do. There is nothing wrong with Kik as an app it's the success of Kik that RIM is afraid of again BBM. Screw RIM!

 
 
Posted by Skeevecr Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 470 days ago

Do you notice that they haven't done a thing about any of the other bbm-wannabes out there, this isn't about levels of success it is about this one doing something dodgy that isn't done by the likes of pingchat.

 
 
Posted by robertdusa Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

It wasn't just the fact that Kik is an obvious cross platform BBM clone. RIM hasn't bothered with the other clones. Even if you assume that Ted Livingston did not have access to the confidential BBM road map and source code (highly likely despite his pay grade and security level; people talk/boast, paper docs on a desk aren't password protected, etc), it appears that Kik did the following shady things:

* Lied to RIM to gain partnership funds. Originally Kik was supposed to be a social music sharing platform (or something else totally unrelated to IM).

* Plastered their website, Twitter, and (I think) their Facebook pages with strong references that Kik was like BBM for all platforms. Regardless of the size of your company, or the size of the company you're copying, trademark infringement is trademark infringement.

* In a bid to become viral (I suspect they thought if they became popular enough in a short amount of time, RIM wouldn't dare touch them), Kik 'forgot' to put in a privacy policy, and the necessary user requests, and spammed everyone in your address book. This may or may not have broken a developer agreement between RIM and Kik as well, I can't remember.

All very ironic when you consider Kik's 'Play Nice' mantra.

 
 
Posted by Phony Bologna Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 470 days ago

I wouldn't say no one cares about Kik. I like Kik a lot. It is, in fact, my favorite cross-platform IM. I use Ping Chat as well but it doesn't have the same immediate feedback that Kik and BBM have because it lacks the "... is typing" notification. Plus Ping Chat also has ads. I was the most fanatical, loyal BlackBerry user I've ever known for about six years (in that span I insanely owned more than one of almost every BB model on Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile -- I was fanatical about having a clean, new device) until just a few weeks ago when I moved to the Nexus S. I'm frustrated that I can't IM with my BB friends using Kik. I deal with Ping Chat and GTalk but they're crap by comparison. I fucking really wish Google would release a Nexus model with the BB or Droid Pro form factor. Then I really wouldn't ever want to go back to 'Berry. As it stands now, I'll probably come back once the Dakota is released. I just message too much to deal with the touch screen and I don't want a non-Nexus Android device. Once I'm on the Dakota, it would be nice to have Kik to IM with my iPhone and Android friends.

 
 
Posted by green_ember Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 470 days ago

Intellactual property and non-disclosure agreements are a big deal. I don't think that employment at RIM and then development of a radically successful BBM-like app is just a coincidence. Even if Kik wasn't actually being developed while he was employed at RIM, if the idea to make a cross-platform version of BBM happened while employed at RIM, it's still a violation of the release I'm sure he had to sign. I build engines for a living and even had to sign a paper saying any ideas I have while employed at (company name) regarding any aspect of the business we're in become property of the company. That's a pretty standard agreement and if RIM can find any employees that heard him mention a desire to make BBM cross-platform while he worked there, this could be the end of Kik on every platform...

 
 
Posted by enots27 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

Although the contract may stop any development of a similar buisiness or idea whilst still employed at the company. Once he has left the company they have no legal right to stop him, I have signed many of these contracts. Its his knowlage now and he can use it. Myself I have not used ping chat or kik and barly use bbm I just don't see the point in Im chats I prefer to talk.

 
 
Posted by mikeo007 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

Most NDAs have a timeframe which they must be upheld for, even after resignation or termination. Somewhere in the area of 6-months is the industry average. The timeframe would be right in the agreement that's been signed.

 
 
Posted by rbrodeur Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

@enots - You have no idea. Every contract is different. I'm sure a highly successful company such as RIM would have a strict NDA, especially regarding BBM, one of BB's key selling points. The contract really doesn't matter though, RIM's case is that Kik is infringing on BBM patents and if that is the case, Kik is going to lose, plain and simple.

 
 
Posted by Skeevecr Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 470 days ago

The likes of Kik and pingchat just seem so stupid to me, bbm only works because every blackberry owner already has a pin, so if you don't have that then why wouldn't you use the likes of live messenger or google talk that are already established and don't limit you to their use on a mobile device either.

 
 
Posted by barrist Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

Am I insane to think that RIM should just buy KIK out? Then it could create its own crossplatform messenger with BBM branding?

 
 
Posted by 312 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

No, you're not. I was thinking exactly the same.

 
 
Posted by jwmax Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

Well they could buy it for near zero if they prove that Kik infringed on patents and therefore has no value.

 
 
Posted by dmann96 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

Does anyone know of a OTA link for the most current copy of Kik for the 9800? I know its been pulled but was hoping that a link was available somewhere. I lost it after I did an OS upgrade. Thanks!

 
 
Posted by datta72 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

Nobody uses KIK anymore, they had their 5 mins of fame, but nobody cares or uses it anymore.

 
 
Posted by Xopher Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

I don't know the situation between Kik and RIM. I do know that I used Kik when I had my BlackBerry. It was very useful for chatting with my friends on other platforms. Now that I have a Galaxy S, I still use Kik every day. It works very well on the Android platform. Hopefully, they get this all worked out and the BlackBerry version returns.

I use other IM options, like PingChat (ads), and LiveProfile (hopefully the BlackBerry version gets released soon), along with the standard IM apps (Google, AIM, MSN...). There are plenty of choices out there. It would be nice to see this all come to a happy ending for both parties.

 
 
Posted by jwmax Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

Honestly some of the comments on here are ridiculous. If this company stole RIM IP they should be forced out of business. The comments on here are almost equivalent to saying why doesn't apple open it's app store to other platforms since then we could all share the apple apps. I know that the platforms differ adn this makes it hard but imagine that RIM programs QNX so that it can run apple apps. Does anyone on earth think that Apple would just say sure we welcome all blackberry devices to use the iTunes store?

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

Their statement of defense contains the line, "RIM is a very large company..." and goes on to list comments that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. If your statement of defense reads like a fifth grade book report, you're in trouble.

It seems nothing more than a continued attempt by Kik to have the blogosphere rally around their violation of a TOS contract.

 
 
Posted by vsharm01 Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

All the people that are defending the "little guy" need to understand that RIM ia a business, not your buddy down the street. the only point of a business it to make a profit, and you cannot do that if you let others take your product and steal it, which is basically what kik did. im not a fan boy, just an educated person thinking about it practically. they need to protect their intellectual intelligence, which by the way stays with the company EVEN AFTER YOU LEAVE THE COMPANY! if i were selling ice cream cones, and isome guy that use to work for me opened a store across the street selling the same ice cream cones as me, i'd be pissed too.

 
 
Posted by gordongr Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

I could care less about the court battle & really don't care who wins, BBM sucks & KIK is worse, everyone on the planet has Yahoo or AIM either on there phone or computor or both, only a tiny handful have a Dingleberry considering the nubers who have other web based messengers

 
 
Posted by buwee Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 469 days ago

I hope RIM KIK's their a$$ LOL