iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c event: A quick look at Apple's latest offerings

By Bla1ze on 10 Sep 2013 10:18 pm EDT
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Yes, I know. By now you've likely heard all you wanted to hear about the latest offerings from Apple and chances are you don't really want to hear any more about it but what the competition is doing is always something you have to be aware of. 

As we noted earlier, Apple CEO Tim Cook and team took to the stage to announce the company's latest iPhone, only this time around things were slightly different.

There ended up being essentially two new hardware revisions announced, which consisted of the iPhone 5s and the 'unapologetically plastic' and colorful iPhone 5c. So what does each offer? Let's take a quick look.

iPhone 5s

Although it might be a bit hard to tell when looking at the Apple website, the freshly introduced iPhone 5s is their new 'flagship' device that offers a lot of what was previously available on the original iPhone 5. Design wise, the styling hasn't changed dramatically with the exception of a new home button that features a fingerprint scanner dubbed Touch ID and the offering (and discontinuation) of color variations. Below is a quick run down of the some of the more relevant specs. You can hit up iMore for the full list.

  • Colors Available: Space Gray, Gold, Silver
  • Display: 4-inch widescreen Multi-Touch display, 1136x640-pixel resolution at 326 ppi
  • iSight camera: 8 megapixels with 1.5µ pixels, Wider ƒ/2.2 aperture, True Tone flash Burst mode and slo-mo video and 1080p recording
  • Facetime Camera: 1.2MP photos (1280 by 960), 720p video recording
  • Touch ID Fingerprint identity sensor: Put your finger on the Home button, and your iPhone unlocks. Your fingerprint can also approve purchases from iTunes or the App Store.
  • A7 and M7 chips: The new 64-bit A7 chip delivers up to 2x faster CPU and graphics performance. And the new M7 motion coprocessor handles specific tasks to make iPhone 5s even more power efficient.

To say the new iPhone 5s is more of the same is somewhat accurate but to be fair there is some new and interesting stuff packed in there for sure. The new camera options are sure to be a pleaser for many folks and the Touch ID thing, while tried before in some ways on previous devices, would be pretty awesome assuming it works as it should. I hate having to enter in passwords and I know I'm not alone there.

If you paid any attention to the latest Droid announcements or even checked on the Moto X info, then you know having a totally separate coprocessor to handle smaller tasks is the latest buzz talk. Motorola has their 'X8 Mobile Computing System' and now Apple has their M7 chip. As Apple puts it 'The new M7 coprocessor is like a sidekick to the A7 chip. It’s designed specifically to measure motion data from the accelerometer, gyroscope, and compass — a task that would normally fall to the A7 chip.'

Overall, Apple did with the iPhone 5s what most people expected them to do and has become the norm for them. They uploaded a bunch of the internals, added some new features, and pushed it out the door. Is it a bad thing? No, it's not. That method works for them and make no mistake about it, people will buy these things by the millions. Even on Twitter, a lot of folks were proclaiming they'd be upgrading for the camera alone. And as always, pricing for the devices stays in line with the 16 coming in at $199, 32GB at $299 and 64GB at $399 on 2-year contracts.

iPhone 5c

The iPhone 5 is dead, Jim. It's done. Discontinued. In its place comes the iPhone 5c and it's pretty much an iPhone 5 with a colorful makeover and a somewhat lower price, though not as low as some had speculated ahead of launch. It will be $99 for 16GB and $199 for 32GB on a 2-year contract but if you're not into those then you're going to be looking at $599 for the 16GB and $719 for the 32GB. A far cry from the affordable / cost-effective offering many had hoped for.

Apple did up some fancy videos explaining the whole design process and the materials used on the device but perhaps Jony Ive, Apple's Senior Vice President, Design said it best when he noted the device as being unapologetically plastic and Nokia wasted no time calling Apple out on the color choices. Additionally, Apple rolled out some fancy new cases and such for the devices to match color which is always nice considering having accessories and the like on launch day is always a good thing.

Other than that, I don't really have much to say about the iPhone 5c. It's like an iPhone 5 with some arguably ugly colors to match the arguably ugly colors on iOS7 that you can keep safe in some arguably ugly colored cases for cheaper than the iPhone 5s. The most curious and interesting thing about it all is why instead of going the normal path of simply reducing the iPhone 5 cost, they decided to launch a plastic, rainbow colored iPhone 5c in its place and dropping the iPhone 5 altogether.

Device Comparison

And for those of you concerned with the specs of it all, here's how everything compares when stacked up next to each other. In this case we used the BlackBerry Z10 as a comparison because of the similar form factor, though I must stop here and say it actually feels great to have a device with some real specs behind it to compare to. Previously, it was always older BBOS devices, so a BlackBerry 10 device with nice specs up there looks great.

The Wrap up

So, to wrap this one up, Apple kept things pretty normal and on their expected trajectory. Most of this stuff has leaked ahead of time anyway and there were very few surprises left, unlike the days of old. Anyone who knows me, knows I'm all for trying out other devices and this time around, I'm once again left a bit under whelmed. I don't really have that urge to rush out and buy any of the devices come September 20th when they go on sale, but eventually, I'll pick an iPhone 5s up when I get around to it. Those are my thoughts on it all, what do you guys all think? Drop your comments below and let us know and if you're looking for more info, check out iMore!

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iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c event: A quick look at Apple's latest offerings

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To all those who think Apple is dying due to lack of innovation, consider this: iPhone users get a 64 bit smartphone processor plus a co processor; updated camera with improved aperture, white balance, and a 100 tone dual LED flash; a fingerprint sensor; more RAM, etc. All for the same price as their current flagship.

What do Blackberry users have to look forward to? A larger screen and faster GPU, but less PPI than the current flagship. Everything else about the hardware stays the same. All at a higher price.

It's the pot that calls the kettle black.

Not a fair comparison. Let's wait to see what is released 1 year after the Z10. Apple does yearly releases, so you have to compare yearly BlackBerry releases to make it fair.

Posted via CB10

Let's be honest, if BB actually makes a Z10 2/Z30 2 next year it will only be on par with this years iPhone 5S. What BB needs to do is predict what Apple has in store for the iPhone 6/6S and build a device that destroys for years to come.

Wishful thinking.

They need to make a device that "destroys for years to come" eh?

By what standards? The mobile industry moves far too fast for any one phone to "destroy" for more than 6 months.

Look at that Battery on Z10! This needs to be fixed! Z10 and Z30 should have much larger battery. The rest is secondary IMO.

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LMFAO that is hilarious.. haven't you seen the spec sheet above? The Z10 is already on par with the iPhone 5s and better in some cases, AND it was released 8months ago. In case you missed it.. let me reiterate.

Z10 > iPhone 5s
Screen Resolution
RAM
NFC
Micro SD expansion
Micro HDMi
Sensors
Front facing camera

Apple is playing catch up my friend. Both the Z10 and the iPhone 5s features an 8mp camera with f/2.2 1080p... so check ok? So I'm pretty sure anything BlackBerry comes with 2 years from now will be blindingly more advanced than anything on the market today. BlackBerry10 is already ahead of its time. Go play with your home button.

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Sorry but some of the z10 specs are on par with iPhone 5's which was released last yr.

Surprisingly the rumor was iphone 5s was suppose to come out with a 12 /13 mega pixel camera. Instead they just improved on it. Of course apple can come out with anything and ppl will rush to buy it.

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How can the Z10 be "on par" with the iPhone 5 when it's based on specs at least two years old?
The new(er) iPhone comes from a company that have traditionally said "specs don't matter".
If this is Apple's vision of that, I'd like to see what they'd release if ever "spec do matter".

At the end of the day, this is a new iPhone with better specs than last year, that's all the (average) end user will care about.

Really, my z10 takes better pictures than my daughter's iphone. So not sure what you are implying.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

I'm sorry, but my z10 camera *feels* like it takes much crappier pictures than my previous 4s. In nearly every other respect I prefer my z10, but not the camera, and I simply don't care about specs on it, I'm going purely on my user experience. My pics tend to be blurry, take a while to save, and I constantly have to retake them.

Not sure you have actually used the Z10 camera because mine takes absolutely brilliant pictures.

Not sure you have actually used the z10 camera because mine takes poor quality pictures.
Also not sure you have actually used the iPhone camera, in which case you can hardly understand the comparison if you came from a previous blackberry.

Specs don't count in the big picture.

Take 100 people who are about to buy a phone and ask them if specs matter. I'm guessing it will only matter to 12-15% of them.

Apps / ecosystem
And
Perception

That's what matters most to consumers.

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+1

Technically, The Z10 outclasses the iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, and my bet is even the iPhone 5s - though the potential of a 64 bit processor is dreamy, as a software dev, i have yet to see any 64bit processor live up to it's proclamation as most of the time their resources are dedicated to creating 32bit environments to ensure software and hardware runs appropriately.

If you buy the new iPhone. It's not based on specs... it's based on sheeptitude and ignorance. BlackBerry has a bright future, their 10 series phones are way above par, and they only have better coming in terms of O/S updates and planned hardware.

"If you buy the new iPhone. It's not based on specs... it's based on sheeptitude and ignorance."

Yeah that's it. It certainly can't be based on the fact you want more apps, or like the iOS ecosystem better. Sure it's all about ignorance.

Why don't you go to an apple site and bask in the glory!

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Bask in the glory? Don't be a tool. I have owned all the different os's and like different parts of each of them. I'm no apple extremist. But to say the 50 million people or so that will buy a 5s just because of they are "sheep" or "ignorant" is as unintelligent comment that could be made.

And I hate to tell you corporate and governments are switching to a BYOD structure in waves. Yes there will be a small market for companies not shifting to that - bit it will be less and less over time and blackberry cannot not survive just off of that market.

So you are assuming that my assertion that 'Sheep implies following the group' and therefore 'The best marketing wins over the best device.' which is the most agreeable statement possible on this particular website concludes that, I, am unintelligent somehow.

I'd ask you to explain,
But I don't want to stop you from researching the latest Miley Cyrus video...

I didn't say you were unintelligent I said you were a tool. Your reply only confirmed that. Nice work.

They totally ARE sheep. Pretty much everyone I know who owns an iPhone is NOT technically savvy. They buy an iPhone because everyone else has one. Surely that IS the definition of a sheep like mentality.

Everyone you know is hardly a good sampling. Every survey that has been on the breakdown on education levels and the phones they purchase show higher educated people buy iPhones more than any other operating system. It's not about being sheep. People have their preferences, and there are reasons. Enough with the generalizations already.

Good points. Iphone users don't have a clue about BB10 based on QNX. I don't care what is inside my phone. If it's fast it's fast. Doesn't matter how much hardware power you have if your OS is garbage.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

It's so easy to predict what apple will have next year. Start with 2x the current speed and you can't go wrong.

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1) They didn't say anything about more RAM
2) 64 bit is pretty useless if you don't have at least 4 GB RAM to assist, which the iPhone 5S definitely hasn't
3) The Z30 is NOT a Z10 successor, but a different positioned product.

2) 64 bit needs more ram to get the best - inaccurate.

That totally depends on the OS that's behind it, the statement is very true of windows, however if that pertains to mobile OS`s hasn't even been considered, let alone proven.

Until the apps are coded to take advantage of the new 64bit architecture the average user won't see much difference in day-to-day use. More (and faster) RAM would be a better update.
However, I can see Apple building a MacBook Air around the new Arm A7 chip...

I may be wrong about this but isn't QNX totally scalable? And because it's written in a micro kernel rtos can't it be just as good with less specs than a gpos

Yes, which is why the hardware specs don't tell the whole story.

And....how much faster is 64 bit going to burn out that non-removable battery?

No, micro kernel is nothing to do with performance. A kludge kernel can be faster, because it doesn't need the APIs required for loadable modules.
Where a microkernel scores is in the ability to unload and load modules without a reboot, and in fact the ability to provide updates to OS functions without a reboot. In theory you can get by with less working memory but that's only true if there are a lot of modules that get swapped in and out frequently. A phone may actually need more memory because all the radios are listening all the time.
Microkernel, in fact, is better suited to environments where the major components are part of the OS rather than being in third party apps, and where they are constantly being updated.
I prefer microkernel but that is because for years I was an embedded systems developer.

If it was scalable the dev team would've been able to get it working on the PlayBook.

The idea of this OS being scalable is just some bullshit marketing. If only BBRY could be as effective with consumers as they were with the QNX message to geeks.

Oh well.

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What do you do if you break your thumb and it's bandaged up? Hope your not locked out of your phone!

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

64 is the only improvement I see other than that it's the same old iPhone...better off staying with the 4s. Screen resolution is still better on the Z10, front camera is better on Z10 and the back camera are both 8mp. Except of course the BlackBerry is a much better interface that goes with out saying.....there for I would say all this 5s is doing is trying to catch up to BlackBerry ... hahaha that's a change, go BlackBerry!!!

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I think everyone who hates on Apple has to realize one or thing:

No matter what innovative creations BlackBerry comes up with, they will always be crushing BlackBerry and Samsung as long as they have more apps.

Look at the phones that 'get the job done' faster, or the ones with 41 MP, etc... nothing matters unless you have an amazing eco system of apps. not to mention their music eco system is quite the trap because it makes it difficult to switch platforms.

Don't get me wrong I absolutely cannot stand Apple products, nor Samsung for that matter, but look at how they're setup. They barely have to improve their upcoming phones in order to stay on top. I don't see that changing for decades. Give them their props. BlackBerry could have / should have done this when they were on top.

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Why do we have iPhone articles on CB? Not hating or anything but don't they have enough marketing..

Posted via CB10

Drives eyeballs and lotsa clicks to CB which helps keep the lights on.

You'll hear a lot about 'mobile nations' and 'fanbois' and 'fart apps' soon. Might even hear about the hope of free BBM for iOS (if approved by Apple) somehow saving BBRY.

Mostly you're going to hear about being first and that you're not adding anything to the conversation... so why don't you move on?. Which... yknow... the world is doing.

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? I'm not mad. I'm highly entertained. I think fanbois of all stripes are extremely hilarious.

Like cmon read all the pissy replies on the site pointing out how BBRY executes poorly and the apologists responding... so awesome.

So... which use case swayed you? getting ready to upgrade your z10 to a z30? BBRY is counting on it chuckle.

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So we know what the competition is up to, of course. Which doesn't seem like all that much this time around. Remember, "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

It's better to be well informed... also, if you don't know what the competition is selling how can you show the differences of BB10?

Gotta know what's out there in order to beat it

Sent via Z10 on Verizon running a .1047 hybrid thru CB10

Normally all mobile Nations sites cover big phone announcements. For example the BlackBerry 10 launch was also covered on iMore, Android Central and WP Central.

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Why do people ask stupid questions like this ? Looking at the competition has always been the name of the game. I'm willing to bet someone from BB will be purchasing one or many more of these phones for observation.

Spoken by a true fanboi. I'm not a fan of their products either, but you've got the wrong attitude.

--Q10 and Canadian all the way! Posted via CB10 on 10.2.0.1443.

Until it wears out and then completely locks you out of your phone in the middle night on a back road to nowhere.

Not going to happen. The materials they made it out of make it pretty durable for many many many years

"CMOS scanners, Parziale explains, wear out over time and can scan only a limited number of fingers before they begin making mistakes. Every time you drop your phone, smudge it with finger grease, or touch it with a dirty thumb, you're decaying the surface of the scanner. "Unfortunately there is no existing solution to this," he writes. "Manufacturers can only try to make the fingerprint sensor last longer, but sooner or later that device will stop working properly." - NY Mag artile

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/will-apples-touch-id-make-f...

Don't cut your thumb and put a bandaid on it. There will be a lot of swearing in time. Of course the Apple fans will never admit...lol

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

you would have to cut both fingers and also i am seeing more and more government agencies use other devices. open you eyes a bit more and look at what actually happens rather than what happens on an enthusiast site.

I did not read that entire article, only your excerpt here. It is my understanding that sapphire crystal (the same material over the camera lens and many watch faces) overlies and protects the "sensor." Therefore, every day wear and tear, thumb grease, etc. will not touch, let alone wear out the sensor. A better point may be that the crystal may scratch or chip over time enough to obscure the sensor's "view" of the fingerprint, leading to errors. It will be interesting to see if this becomes an issue over time.

I'm guessing there will also be an alternative method in case the scanner is malfunctioning. Would seem dumb not to include an option of bypassing the scanner with typed input.

If you're around people you trust so little that you feel the need to have biometrics built into your phone then you should really reconsider your lifestyle

I don't drink anymore........ or any less, double scotch please

Lock codes are in your head. Fingerprints are physical and you cannot hide or change them.

Theoretically, it won't be difficult for someone to take your "drunk finger" and unlock your iPhone.

Signed via my weapon of choice, Z10.

Good point with the drunk finger. I was thinking of more crafty ways earlier but that's a good call

Sent via Z10 on Verizon running a .1047 hybrid thru CB10

Guess they could just cut your thumb off and take your phone...or maybe just peel off your print. lol.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

So biometrics are a bad thing? I suspect many BlackBerry owners would be creaming over a finger print or retina scan on their phone - especially if BlackBerry beat iPhone to the punch. I know I would need a wet-wipe or two.

If you're frequently concerned about the unauthorized manipulation of your "drunk finger" you should probably address other issues.

Or just pick it up from the lock on your hotel room. Fingerprints are a way for the police to identify people, and are popular because they are relatively easy to obtain. That should ring alarm bells as a way to create secure login. Something that is so readily available to a reasonably cunning identity thief, and for which there are so many replication tools, is really not secure.

I think we can agree that fingerprint lock is more secure than no lock, that was the whole point. Apple claims that roughly half of iPhone owners don't bother with a Lock Code because of the inconvenience, so they gave them a more convenient option. Options are good right?

NSA. Soon to have everyone's thumb print. Got to give it to them. They are smarter than isheep.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Only thing I like is that there are more icons rows. Ant stand only seeing 4 app rows. Such an waste of space in my opinion. Just give us the option to choose (you know, like we did in legacy devices).

Fingerprint is interesting, but not by much.

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It's interesting to see what competition is doing. Keep us on our toes.

Not a lot of changes but important ones. The two processors is a nice addition so is the camera with the extra features.

Looking forward to see if the Z30 will have this in consideration.

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Same thing in different colors... i'm sure iphones are cool for some people but too much money for basically the same thing in mu opinion.

i'd rather have a Z10 if I was going full touch screen, way more original design even if the apps aren't there yet.

Going over to dark side I see. You'll soon be back. Guaranteed.

--Q10 and Canadian all the way! Posted via CB10 on 10.2.0.1443.

Most of my friends who were on BlackBerry before me recommended the switch when I was still deciding to go android, iOS or BlackBerry. Eventually they all switched to an iphone and said they are much happy.

So who knows he personally might like it better. Have to admit the new iOS 7 does appeal more now than iOS 6.

Posted via CB10

Well get going and join all your friends.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Apple is no longer the Jobs's Apple. Blackberry is still the blackberry, and i do hope we can break the market with our physical keyboard and touch screen.

Posted via CB10

Thank goodness for copy and paste since you've been posting that all over the forums today. Is that really what the BlackBerry community has come to? To mock mentally ill or uneducated consumers for buying into a different platform?

That was hilarious no matter what. I also wondered the IQ of people that wait in those lines. Now I know why! LOL.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

What about the IQ of people who buy BlackBerry 10 smartphones then wonder where their favorite apps are. Maybe they should have done their research?

Why did they go the 5c route? So that everyone gets to feel like they are buying 'the New iPhone'.
Plus the plastic one being sold at those prices, inherently 'justifies' the even higher price of the 'premium' non-plastic one.

Quite smart.

Posted via CB10

Plus someone at Apple looked at the Nokia Lumias and thought "That's a good idea, no Steve around, let's steal it."

Wow. Killing of the iPhone 5 huh? Then making a plastic iPhone and calling it the affordable iPhone while launching it at what would've been the price point of the iPhone 5 after the launch of the iPhone 5S?

Yeah makes perfect sense. Not

It does for them. Higher margins on the 5C and a good way to differentiate between products. Also a good way to appeal to a more youthful demographic.

I understand your reasoning, but I see lots of kids in the 10 yr old range with iPhones out and about in my small community daily. So I think they are reaching the youth pretty well now.

I didn't say they weren't already. It would be nice to see kids/teens carry a Z10. BlackBerry has to grow BB10 from the ground up.

Oh I understand. BBRY needs to get out an app full pair of multicolored devices perhaps the Q5 and a Z5 in the hands of the youth in the US now. (well, last year) if they want to target the youth. Apple is doing it, Windows Phone 8 is doing it, Android has price points across the board so only BBRY is out of that game right now.

The device doesn't sound great but as you said it will still sell a shit ton. I think they really need to increase the size of the screen come the iphone6.

Also in your spec comparisons you mention the iPhone has Hdmi. I wasn't aware of that but to be honest I didn't watch the presentation.

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It can have an HDMI output via the lightning port for the low low price of a 49$ adapter...

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Who use cables when we have Apple TV. come on people. anyways, I hate the new iPhones ( I got the iPhone 5 right now & Z10 now, btw I had all the iPhones) guess what? I'm skipping the iPhone 5S.

Sorry but i want a bigger iPhone.

I'm really surprised they refuse to enter the phablet segment... they have proven they can sell anything by the millions, why not just make a bigger device to hit that market segment?.. ah well...

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That also at the low low price of 99 bucks for the apple tv receiver. Sorry I will take my 10 dollar micro hdmi cable and save a fortune with a real phone the z10 and enjoy my movies that way. I can afford snacks by saving money from crapple tv.

Posted via CB10

The Apple TV experience is great for anyone that has used 1 in anger. It's quite different from a $10 HDMI cable as you put it. It works with Mac, iPad, iPhone and even on its own (Netflix, itunes, etc). Apple TV is a great product. I'm quite surprised it's not marketed aggressively.

National Rail Times App for BB10 (Native Q10 and Z10) - http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/20352963

I will never go back to Apple... I'm not a iSheep anymore, I will never be locked into their trap again!!!

Where is the trap? With every platform you invest in you would have a similar scenario when switching to the competition.

There are more apple fanboys in here than BlackBerry ones. How's that for irony?

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

I'm hardly an apple fanboy. Just pointing out the irony of a blackberry fan saying someone else's os was dying.

Truth hurts.

I'm not sure with processor power in other devices but even running in dual core processor, my Q10 doesn't lag. Blackberry should improve the camera as well. Although it was good, I can see room for improvement.

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The iphone is a nice phone but I think we can say that the old innovation machine has died at Apple head quarters. The new offerings are uninteresting and visionless. It just seems to me that Apple has been on cruise control for the last 3 years. No doubt people will continue to buy it but the door is wide open for new opportunities.

To bad BlackBerry doesn't know how to capitalize on those opportunities. I really love my Z10!!

Posted via CB10

iPhone still doesn't have NFC and microSD? I can't imagine having a phone without microSD, which offers almost limitless memory option for my files, etc. And NFC is awesome, I love using it to share files with my BlackBerry friends and family.

Posted via CB10 on my Z10

NFC who? 0.005 of the world use that, why you need more storage when there is a lot options as dropbox & other cloud services, btw, sandisk Just release couple storage devices that create their own wifi and they have their own apps, good battery life and is able to handle 16 and 32 gb's ( with a little trick you could go 64 gb's) 4 hours battery life and 8 devices at the same time. is a pen drive

the second one is the another small device and got more storage and 8 hours battery life. who really need NFC and memory slot? come on brother get out from the stone age and come to the future.

the only problem the blackberry's are not compatible with those new devices.

Dear Apple fanboy

Reading your comment it seems to me not only have you tried a BB10 device but you obviously never tried an Android either . Just in case you didn't know

Memory slot = more storage expansion

NFC is feature people want to have the option to use when they want to pay for something or just want to share something among friends. It's just one of those cool factors of the device. I guess nobody's using bluetooth anymore these days. :]y

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That's it you go ahead and post your pictures of family and friends on Dropbox and when you have no connection to them when your power is out we will just grab our micro sd cards and load or unload our pics and enjoy them. At least I know where my pictures are safe!

No micro sd is just plain foolish.

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iPhones have photo stream to keep your pix always backed up if you are worried about losing them. How are those blackberry 10 cloud services working out for you? Oh wait....

I know.
But, it is a backup of your phone to the non-cloud world. You know, when the cloud breaks down. As the poster stated. When you can't get to the cloud.

When the cloud breaks down?

There is a much better of your computer breaking than the cloud lol. And the point is why in 2013 should you have to back your phone up to a computer. For all the talk about how out of date the iPhone is, having to backup your data to a personal computer is about as outdated as it gets.

Good. I will just register everything to the NSA an bypass the cloud. Cut out the middleman. What if the cloud disappeared. Then what? I will never use the cloud.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

With Dropbox you have your back up both in the cloud and on your computer(s). That is double the security. I only use my SD card for music and videos on my Z10. All other file are uploaded to my Dropbox.

You can back up certain files (pix vids) automatically but it is not the backup solution apple offers. With iCloud you can back up all your contacts, bookmarks, notes pictures videos and app data. You can even back up you entire phone to iCloud automatically if you choose to. Dropbox offer some auto syncing abilities, but to say it is on par with what iCloud or even skydrive on Won 8 phones or google offers integrated into Android phones is not accurate.

And I could care less about syncing my phone and files to a computer personally, and most people I know in the cell phone industry as well feel the same.

Well, on my Z10, the native BOX and Dropbox apps do a fine job of backing up stuff, if I choose to do that. However, you are missing the point. I keep my photos on my memory card AND stored in the cloud. My Z10 also automatically syncs my files to my desktop at work via Blackberry Link. I also have the option to use any computer in the same LAN (if connected by wifi) to browse to my phone and transfer files to/from the phone memory or the SD card. I can also stream MP3's/Videos/Pictures using DLNA to a lot of different devices, and I don't have to have another BlackBerry product to stream it! I guess the "i" crowd is happy with having to get more Apple products so they can connect to other devices, and it is quite a brilliant strategy, but as for me, I like having all my options....

It's very hard for isheep to understand. They can't even see how dependant they have become. Take away the Internet and they are done.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Every where? So I can walk into restaraunts and pay with it? I can buy a newspaper or soda with it?

Lets be real maybe NFC becomes useful down tte road, but right now it only useful feature is for transferring things phone to phone which could just as easily be done via email or text.

Ever used a pass card to get into a building? Chances are you used NFC.

Ever used a credit card "touch" to pay? Chances are it's NFC.

Apple has tried to buck the trend on NFC but I fear they're going to lose.

The new iPhone is completely underwhelming. Yes they'll sell lots. Just not enough to maintain their share price.

Show me where NFC on a phone has real world applications yet - which is what I intended obviously. You can't use your phone in substitution of an Id card even though its the same technology. NFC has now been in phones for over 2 years, and there is still zero real world application other than to transfer data from one device to another.

I use it for device pairing daily. For the BlackBerry Music Gateway and I have a cheap-o bluetooth speaker I use in the garage. I got some free NFC stickers and programed one to turn on my Bluetooth and pair/connect with it so now when I use it I walk out flip on the power, tap to connect and done. I find it very useful. Works on our Android and BlackBerry phones perfectly every time.

How is that a time saver over just turning on the Bluetooth device and letting it auto connect? Come on be real here NFC still has no real world benefit on phones. I hope someday it does but to act like a phone is missing out by not having NFC is rubbish.

Which is freaking handy! We're up at camp. No cell, no computer, no Internet. Someone says that's a great pic.....send it to me. Even if you have Internet, file sizes are an issue. With NFC, just tap and transfer the file. Mobile computing. Apple people will argue anything.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

So NFC is a great substitute when you don't have service or Internet? Wow that is really groundbreaking since I am never in a situation where I don't have coverage or Internet. Again real world application that mass market would use: zip. I work in the cell phone industry - we don't push NFC anymore because no one cares about it. If your among the .05% that do great, but phones aren't getting sold or not sold because of whether they have NFC.

"I am never in a situation where I don't have coverage or Internet"

Then I guess you never leave the city.

You don't have to get too far outside of cities in Canada or large parts of the rural USA before coverage is patchy at best.

Right now most people don't buy a phone on the basis of whether the phone has NFC. But already you can pay at a variety of locations using NFC (not just with a phone).

It's going to be the standard for mobile payments so you can bet before long Apple will have little choice but to add NFC.

At which point no doubt you will become its biggest fan.

This discussion is about the non-event that is the iPhone 5C and 5S. Naturally there are enough fans around to sell a few million, but Apple is on its way down and there doesn't appear to be a net. $600+ for plastic phone?

Yes, you can walk some restaurants (if not all) to pay. Master card teamed with BB for that. You can use BB phone rather than a regular Master card. Yes, you can by newspaper or soda with it.

You can get into your office doors. And it is the only pass, in some high security places, you can get in.

It is true there is not a single NFC app yet, ................... in Apple app store.

In the mean time there are tons of NFC apps in BB World and Google Play. I for one has developed two. I can tell you here, my users love them.

I don't know if its different elsewhere, but in the US you can't do any of that stuff with NFC.

Thank god for having files on your device when the Internet isn't around. And loading files uses data if wifi isn't available. I have 80 gig on my z10. That's right 80 Gig and I use it. Thanks BlackBerry. Also removable battery is a godsend on the fly. You have no clue. The cloud.....eyes a rolling!

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Common mistake that ppl would think 64-bit processor doubles the performance of the device.

64-bit processor means nothing when the apps are programmed in 32-bit.

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Good point. But if you think from there on the 64-bit for phone is the most significant breakthrough in recent computing history. I had hoped BB does it first. But Apple did. Apple deserves a plus here.

To make my point more clear for everyone. The future of smartphone lies in the word 'smart'. Your phone will have more intelligence in. To generate that intelligence, many machine learning code should run on device (rather than sever like Siri). We know in machine learning word 64-bit means breakthrough. Call me crazy, but that will happen, you phone will have the power of a data center server.

Thanks for the information. I hadn't followed the announcement today as I was actually too busy doing other things. Go figure. Anyway now I'm as much up to date as I care to be with Apple products. Don't think I'll be getting one anytime soon.

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I love how people say Z10 specs are sub par. When look you at the device comparison in the article of all the current devices available I ask what is sub par?

The facts are there. They just choose to ignore it. It would be nice but they'll never admit they are wrong. Thats how delusional these folks are.

It's really not that complicated. Make a different phone with cheaper material and sell at premium price until it's time for a full year refresh. The cost to build the 4s is probably more than the recently announced 5C yet it's being offered for free. Bringing in a new product ensures that going forward, the premium material used in phones like the iPhone 4, 4S, 5 & the just announced 5S are never discounted but rather retired for a newer model while reserving the discounts for the plastic 'C' models.

This makes zero sense. The 4s is obviously significantly cheaper for apple to make. It has a smaller cheaper screen, all the components are 3 years old. (when it comes to electronic components the longer they are out the cheaper they get)

The 5c is an iPhone 5 with a plastic back. I'm sure production costs have gone down over the last year, but I'm just as sure it is a heck of alot more expensive to make than the 4s. The plastic back is saving them a few bucks, the main reason they did it was to make the 5s se more premium and they hope that translates into more sales.

Hate to say it but my 9900has been super glitchy and it's really a matter of Android or Apple to replace it (sorry, not interested in Lenovo-run BBerry or a Windows phone). Regardless of any criticisms for Apple, this iPhone 5s and the ecosystem will deliver upon a guaranteed experience in the short term. Coin toss for the HTC One or iPhone?

My 9780 and 9900 have been almost perfect in regards to reliability. I'm sorry for your bad luck.

Yeah, I know I'm totally trolling but in two months I've had to reinstall the OS a few times... plus the keys for R, T, Y, and A usually don't work (almost fully dependant on spell check and short hand to send messages).

It is issues specific just to my device (and the abuse I put it through) but I should replace it to save my sanity... My above comment was more about where I feel confident is spending my cash, and maybe a *little* of my anger towards my keyboard.

You should utilise the unique little tool called word substitutions to fix your problem. Make a single letter like Q autosubstitute to one of the broken keys. Use the %b macro to remove the space preceding the character and you're golden.

--Q10 and Canadian all the way! Posted via CB10 on 10.2.0.1443.

You guys are awesome. Forgot how supportive and helpful the CB community is - thanks for the good tips.

What's the expression, "burnt once, twice shy"? After buying the PlayBook, I'm a little hesitant to buy into BB10 when I don't really know where the company is going and how long I'll be able to interact with the "rest of the world". I live and breath for collaborative tools, where being able to collaborate with anyone really is my bread & butter.

I'm riding out the 9900 until it presents too much of a barrier to be able to take on projects with clients who are too entrenched in other mobile ecosystems.

Maybe you should check the apps you have loaded. Often I have found that all it takes is one buggy app to cripple a device whether it's palm, apple, or blackberry. It's not the device's fault or that of the OS, it's the fault of poor app software.

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I think you're onto something. After the last OS reinstall, I never put back on Whatsapp and my phone doesn't freeze up anymore.

You can't really compare 9900 and BB7 with iPhone or BB10 for that matter. BB10 has been flawless for me. Even with the leaked OS updates.

Agree. Bb10 is so stable and a bad app doesn't bring the OS down. it is the only os that can do this due to its QNX architecture.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

It's really not that complicated. Make a different phone with cheaper material and sell at premium price until it's time for a full year refresh. The cost to build the 4s is probably more than the recently announced 5C yet it's being offered for free. Bringing in a new product ensures that going forward, the premium material used in phones like the iPhone 4, 4S, 5 & the just announced 5S are never discounted but rather retired for a newer model while reserving the discounts for the plastic 'C' models.

For the first time in a few years my Facebook isn't filled with johnny apple seeds waiting to get one.

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Yes 5c has ugly colors. The green one is good though, like a promotion 'Go Green'

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I don't really understand the champaign-colored iPhone 5. It's either for
A. Soccer Moms to match their gold Lexus, or
B. 89-year-old women to match their champaign colored Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford Crown Victoria, or Buick Park Avenue. You know, those cars you never want to be stuck behind ever.

It just isn't a nice color... at all.

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And as much as I like the Q5 and its colors, it's also arguably ugly.

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So now the NSA has the thumb print of everyone using an iPhone 5s. That's unbelievably fantastic.

That made me snort with laughter, though I highly doubt it's true. But feel free to spread this "news" though to dissuade people from buying Apple and move to BlackBerry!

--Q10 and Canadian all the way! Posted via CB10 on 10.2.0.1443.

That was my first thought and tweet about the fingerprinting. Apple are going to really help the governments create the largest biometric database to date.

Oops! They didn't think of that huh.... lmao!

Well, if they can break into BlackBerry data, it would have to be possible to be able to obtain all the print data...

I knew Apple was going to be involved in a conspiracy! Just was the matter of when! Haha!

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Who would want the 5c colors what no Black, are they prejudice now as no black iphone?

Now as for the 5s model again only three colors and none are black.

If I ever got a 5s model it would be the Gold color, but I dislike that it is not all gold color as the top and bottom are white.

Now that being said I don't see much improvement over my Backup iphone 4 (not 4s model)... so what would make me buy a iphone 5s.... nothing really... Apple has gone down hill for the past few years, no innovation and again ripping off competition in colors and so forth, Samsung is better then Apple.

Also the finger print idea Is No Good, so if someone wanted to steal your device while your passed out after drinking or whatever, then takes your phone and uses your finger while you're in dream land... bye bye iphone stolen legit.

Bad Bad Bad Idea.

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Come on now....kids use iphones and post photos of themselves 24/7. What do you see....drinking and smoking pot etc. Daddy bought them their little itoy. Please don't ever call it a computer.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Here's an idea don't drink till you blackout and problem solved. And the 5s clearly still comes in black. And if you don't see a difference between a 4 year old iPhone 4 and the 5s you aren't looking. If you want to say your happy with the 4 fine, but to say their is no differences is as sanding. It's like saying their is no difference between a 9300 series curve and and a Q10.

3 years and 3 months if you want to be exact. The point is in this fast moving industry that is a really long time ago.

You don't have to use the finger print feature if you are worried about it. I'm there is an option to use a pin as well.

dont worry apple! #teamtroll has your back in the CB forums.

Keep releasing uninspired junk. They will keep defending it.

Q5 has better specs than iphone 5s. Not good for apple. Id hate to have to manage selling/stocking those colors. Looks like apple is trying every gimmick they can think of to sell more phones. They are even getting serious with the case/cover business. Wonder if they are worried about declining revenue. Isn't the Iphone 5c just a 5 with some plastic (omg! how could you apple!) slapped on the back?

So much for the low-end apple phone that BB was supposed to be so worried about. In reality they did the right thing as a low-end phone would have devastated their margins.

But lucky me I get a 'new phone' when I update to iOS7.. Thanks apple. You make great products, they just haven't changed in 6 years, they are stale and people are gonna wake up to it. Just like they did with Blackberry. A 4" screen, really? Thats the biggest you have? Oh well. NFC? Maybe next year.

The 5c has different specs then the 5s, do a Google search and you will.see specs are much much lower on the 5c.

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Guess if you don't have it you wouldn't know. But don't worry when they get NFC you will be one of the isheep proclaiming that Apple invented it.....

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Great post! Such a shame they really can't lower the price...jeez you think they they wanted to attract more people to their products...lol

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I maybe getting an android device again, but I will wait a little longer for BlackBerry to see what they do.

As for Apple I will wait for ios 7 this coming Sept 18th 2013 and load it up onto my backup iphone 4 (not s model) and see how it is, but what I can tell from leaks, it's not all the impressive.

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I bought 16GB micro SD for my BB device for 16 bucks. Oh apple. You really have the wool pulled over a lot of peoples eyes.

I bought a 64 gig one for 34 bucks at Walmart with a usb adapter. Love my z10

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Apples recycling process is at work here. The only thing I would be interested in would be the finger print scanner, sounds like an interesting idea. Other than that, the processor and the camera are no game changers... My z10 is plenty fast and I have an actual camera that will blow any phone camera away!

From the mind of a MaNiAc

In other word they added S on iPhone 5 and fingerprint scanner. Guess what there are so many stupid people out there and will say WooooW. And millions will be sold.

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In other words you don't know the specs of the iPhone 5 so you're not knowledgeable enough to make a comment like that and present it as fact.

No need to justify the iPhone 5S here bud. Stocks are still low. My Z10 can run as fast as a 64 bit just by the software inside this phone. You'll be amazed at how much power QNX can pack into a phone with minimal specs.

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They have a long way to get back to 800. I remember when the news media was jumping up and down with excitement that they were going. To break 1000......what happened. They may rise short term but then they will fall. Apple below 400 within a year.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

Funny how everyone was saying the Z10 was late to the game and couldn't compete with the big boys, but when compared to all these other devices, the Z10 isn't much different. Also, once 10.2 comes out, it will be even better. So, the only real flaw with the Z10 and BlackBerry in general is still the lack of apps (primary the big name ones). Hopefully with the release of 10.2 and the launch of the Z30 in the near future, more of those must have apps will come our way.

As for the new iPhones, they're all the same as the last one. The only two new features worth mentioning at all are the Touch ID & camera upgrades. I'm not surprised by the camera upgrade, nor do I care. Most of the time the camera always gets at least a little better on new models. The Touch ID is a very nice feature, but as it was said, only if it works right. I haven't had the best of luck with fingerprint scanners, so I'm skeptical about it. Oh, and the new colors look terrible.

Note: If you are the one who buys a white & gold iPhone 5S, it just tells me that you always want to be the center of attention, and have all eyes on you and your iPhone. News flash!!!! It just makes you look like a douchbag. It will be the phone for the "show-off" in the family.

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Enough with the iphone marketing, we want to know about BlackBerry and how our devices will become better and stay ahead of the game!!!!

BBQ10/Forever!!!!

Well let me see, the phone still looks ugly and borring. The OS advancements are not innovative, just dressing to give a colourful illusion, and that home button, that irritation still exists. Shows how obsolete iOS truly is.

Thank goodness we have BlackBerry 10.

Ok well that just beat the shit out of the competition. Don't tell anyone or BlackBerry just might start selling phones.

BlackBerry will survive in the Corporate and Government Sectors! My Z10 is so much better than an iphone!

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