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Posted by aris20 Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

Correct me if im wrong, but it doesnt specifies, how many devices where sold all over the world for each company ? (Not 4Q10 i mean in the entire year)

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

Again, RIM will always be at a disadvantage since they don't report December sales until March. It's never a true 4Q which is the biggest quarter for sales.

 
 
Posted by scalemaster34 Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20030831-37.html

Show that RIM is still at #2 with 48.8 million devices shipped in 2010, with at 16.1% market share. Verses Apple at #3 with 47.5 million devices shipped, with at 15.5% market share.

Basically they are tied in you allow for a margin of error....

So RIM looks to still be number #2 in Worldwide Sales with a 41% increase over the previous year. Unfortunately Apple with just one device saw an 89% increase, Samsung a 318% increase and HTC a 165% increase.

RIM is selling devices, and they are growing.... just not as fast as everyone else. But when the Curve is one of your most popular devices? Does that tell you where you are heading.

 
 
Posted by jwmax Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

Your first paragraph is important but the percentages reported in the second have little meaning. Example: If I sold one phone this year and 3 next then I'll have 200% growth beating Apple, Samsung and HTC, but I've only sold 3 phones.

I don't get the last paragraph either. Or at least I don't agree that what you seem to imply is necessarily true. People on here are obsessed by the latest cutting edge phone. However, I could tell the following story. Curve growth is market expanding whether it be among young people in North America or general populations overseas. As each group grows wealthier the trick will be to keep selling them phones. This doesn't mean you need cutting edge phones today. In fact it isn't clear that you need them tomorrow either, it means you need to keep producing phones that people can trade up to and stay with your company.

I'm not saying you never need cutting edge phones and I do think RIM might be a little bit to obsessive about battery life. I just think that the conclusion you seem to imply from your last statement may not be correct in the long run.

 
 
Posted by scalemaster34 Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

Then forget the percentages...
RIM sold 34.5 million phones in 2009, 48.8 million in 2010.
APPLE sold 25.1 million phones in 2009, 47.5 million in 2010.
Samsung sold 5.5 million phones in 2009, 23 million in 2010.
HTC sold 8.1 million phones in 2009, 21.5 million in 2010.

Other than Nokia, RIM still sold the most which is great. But the other guys are growing their sales at a much faster rate... either RIM is doing something wrong (which I believe) or they have just about reach market saturation.

My other point is simple and speaks to what I see RIM doing wrong... they have become a cheap phone manufacture. Go into most retail outlet and Blackberry's are BOGO or less than $100... right now the TORCH is the TOP of RIM's line up add that to the Curve being their TOP seller - just doesn't sound like a tech company that is going anywhere.

Now 2010 MAYBE the year RIM turns it all around... or it maybe just another year of RIM only putting out minimum hardware. And we have no idea if we will see the very much needed QNX or an LTE phone this year.

 
 
Posted by Intosh Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

Those numbers are for a given quarter right?

Analyzing growth using quarterly numbers are inaccurate if not flawed. A given company might not have introduced a new phone in quarter X the year before but did so this year. Boom! You see a big "growth" in phones shipment for that given quarter compared to last year.

So Samsung selling 5.5 million phones in Q4 2009 is probably because they did not release any new and hot phone during that period.

 
 
Posted by gordongr Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

I'm amazed that so many manufacturers for android & every carrier suports it & they still aren't even 3rd? Wow

 
 
Posted by slant Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

The article is comparing smartphone manufacturers. Not operating systems. Android is just an operating system.

 
 
Posted by breakmedown Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

That's the point. Android is so highly hailed, but the fact that the operating system is barely 3rd place to a company with a dozen phones (RIM), a company with 1 (iOS), and a company shipping primarily old phones to 3rd world countries (Nokia) says plenty. It's on every carrier and has 2 dozen (or more) devices. It's growing fast, yeah, but it's not killing RIM like the Android fanboys would like you to believe.

 
 
Posted by jwmax Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

But of course this is what a sampling of google news says
Android Smartphones Gain Market Share as Nokia, BlackBerry Lose, IDC Says
Bloomberg - Amy Thomson - ‎4 hours ago‎
Research In Motion Ltd., which sells BlackBerry phones on its own operating system, fell to 14.5 percent of the market from 19.9 percent a year ago. ...

Apple, Android surge in 2010; Nokia, RIM slip CNET

IDC: Apple still leads RIM as No. 2 worldwide smartphone maker Apple Insider

Reality be damned! RIM is dead as far aas the US media is concerned.

I really want to see the headlines on tablet sales in 2011. I will bet against "iPad sees huge market share decline" and for "iPad sales continue to dominate"

Both headlines will likely be true, but we won't get the first one.

 
 
Posted by scalemaster34 Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

Again, this is a list of Hardware Manufactures, it is not based on what OS they are running. There are other reports that are broken down by OS and in those Android is beating both Apple and RIM.

 
 
Posted by jwmax Monday, Feb 07, 2011 472 days ago

You've stated the obvious, your point being?

 
 
Posted by breakmedown Tuesday, Feb 08, 2011 472 days ago

No, they're not. Post a link where you can find that Android OS is more prominent than BB or iOS. You can't, because it's not happening yet.

They're gaining market share. Considering the fact that this article says that over 2009 smartphones nearly doubled, it's no surprise that RIM is losing market share. You can't have an exploding market like this and expect RIM to keep their same market share. Considering how many people only get a smartphone for an iPhone? Or how many people buy a phone that looks cool and makes them look cool and it just happens to have Android or BB on it? I know tons of people who do that and they couldn't care less about what OS it is, be it Android or BB or whatever.

So, considering that RIM produces hardware AND software, and they are still in the top 3 of both categories says plenty to the fact that they aren't losing any ground in sales and as a company. Just losing ground in market share as the market booms.