How to silence the camera shutter sound on BlackBerry 10

Want to silence the camera sound on your BlackBerry 10 phone? Here's how!

By Adam Zeis on 20 Jun 2013 10:30 am EDT
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One question that we get asked over and over again is how to silence the camera shutter sound on the BlackBerry Z10 and Q10. While there is no way to do this by default on BlackBerry 10, there are still ways to make it happen using a third-party app. 

Often times you may be somewhere and not want to have the shutter sound every time you snap a photo - a theater, museum, college class or even a wedding. For that there are a few solutions for killing the annoying camera sound and keeping your photos on the down-low.

Just to be clear - we're not condoning any creepy stalker activity or government spying so don't get the wrong idea :) 

To silence the camera shutter on BlackBerry 10, you'll need to download a third-party app since the functionality isn't built into the native OS. Thankfully there are a good number available, each with different features that go beyond just muting the camera. 

Any one of these apps will silence your camera shutter, and in addition, some have features like shooting modes, video mode and aspect ratio support, making them feel more like the native camera app. 

Again - we know that muting the camera shutter is a touchy subject at times, but for those that have the need these apps should do the job nicely.

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174 comments

rhon3g

It's better if it is built into the BB10.

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Shintocam

I'm pretty sure that in many (most?) jurisdictions they are not allowed to. Pretty sure it is required that they make a noise on cellphones (tablets are as I understand it exempt). It's to stop people from surreptitiously taking snaps in changerooms. Fairly obvious when you pull out a camera or a tablet what you are doing, not so with a phone.

So the option of having it built into BB10 is probably never going to happen.

Now that's not to say I've seen many interesting things on my daily commute on the train that I would have loved to take a picture of without them knowing :)

MasterOfBinary

Exactly. Just be glad they allow apps to do that.

b18892

Every other OS has a silent camera and Blackberry doesn't? Bullshit. We need it and Blackberry needs to deliver it.

KermEd

Every other OS sucks and is full of security holes. Doesn't mean they are doing things right.

Besides the OSs you refer to are not made in Canada, therefore not under control of the CRTC, and therefore free to be ignorant to the requirements of other countries such as Japan.

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shebmiller

You could always turn the burst function on. Taking a picture in this mode barely produces a sound

Shintocam

First of all I did not state it as a proven fact - simply was saying that was my understanding.
Second of all, since when did Apple EVER do what they were told to do.
Third, I never tried using an iPhone camera when it was in silent mode - I've always heard the shutter sound. Same with every Android I've tried.
And fourth - since you have decided to be an ass about it - your attitude reminds me of Louis CK's rant on the entitled. When people say they need something that that someone else needs to provide it to them I cannot help but laugh. You do not NEED a camera that takes photos without making a sound. Blackberry does not NEED to give it to you. You are not entitled to these things. You may want them - but you in no way deserve them.

Plus as the article points out you have many options available to you for either free or a mere $0.99.

meltbox360

We are consumers who vote with their wallets. If BlackBerry displease us enough they die. I hope they don't die however that is how this works. We aren't entitled to it we are simply saying give or we may not pay again. If you believe that's wrong then you believe we should sit around and buy without ever giving our opinion which is utterly stupid.

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kazn3r

It doesn't make sense. When you have the iPhone in vibrate only, the shutter does not play...It should work the same on every phone in the market. It's ridiculous that you must use an app to take a photo just to have a silent shutter sound. It's absurd.

PineappleUnderTheSea

So will they start to make a continuous clicking noise when people take videos?

This is a pointless discussion: people with ill intentions would probably use video to capture stuff.

Pointless.

Djlatino

I hate this comment and anyone who responds with the whole "itz ileegal" response.
NO.
If it was not allowed, why do iPhones and Androids and well... EVERY OTHER PHONE BESIDES BLACKBERRY NOT HAVE THE SHUTTER SOUND?

arhcangel

Actually there are places where it is, in fact, not legal. US politicians have been trying since at least 2007 (H.R. 3488 and again in 2009 as H.R. 414) to get it mandated. I know of plenty of Android phones that the click cannot be disabled without a mod. And given RIM/BlackBerry's penchant for security and the click being seen as a security feature it does make a little sense they would have it that way. That said I was able to disable the click on older BBies like the 8310 by...taking the picture with headphones plugged in. Don't know if that still works on BB 10.

meltbox360

When will people stop spreading this lie...

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seanpriest

I've got Spy Cam, it works pretty well but it's pretty basic with no zoom options etc.

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djraz_official

How about doing a comparison on them all and identifying the pros and cons on each and which best utilises the BlackBerry ability. :). That would be great.

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Dave79

To be honest that what I expected when I opened the article, to have a list fo the apps I can do it myself searching in the app world. Adding value would be to actually review and compare them.

w0lfgang

Thanks Adam! But us Crackberrians put all kinds of micro devices in your apartment, Bla1ze's, Kevins, et al, a looong time ago, so a silent shutter really isn't going to add anything.....now put this lotion on....I said, "It rubs the lotion on its SKIN!!!"
Nothing creepy about that? Right? Guys? *tap tap* Is this thing on?

Bla1ze

I still own the rights to my sex tape.

simu31

I'm sure you share ownership with your better half ;)

Si.

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BruvvaPete

It's already been leaked. People are cringing in horror. Oh, the humanity!!

stopper_says

If you change the mode to burst on the built in camera app it is significantly quieter. Got the tip from a forum post, but I can't remember where exactly to give proper credit

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sasakisadako

An on board option would be nice, but I like the sound :) fells like oldschool :D no need for an app from my side but good to know.

Greetings

Sada

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soapydarren

Absolute rubbish!!!! I wonder when we'll start to have basic functions integrated into the OS rather than having to download an app for everything. Weather updates, camera shutter sound, etc.

MasterOfBinary

The shutter sound is something they could do if they wanted, but don't because of the laws in a lot of places.

brandonwh

Why is it illegal for BlackBerry to have a native camera that doesn't have sound but every other phone manufacturer can do it?

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KermEd

Because its made in Canada where the CRTC makes sure they are compliant, unlike the other OS's that only care about US consumers and are built in other countries.

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raino

Not all BBs are made in Canada. A lot are made in Mexico. And even if they have to be Canada compliant because they may be sold in Canada, that doesn't explain why the Verizon-exclusive Z10 doesn't have this functionality.

FWIW, I'm ok with this not being a native feature, as long as workarounds are there. And they are.

KermEd

They aren't going to toggle one feature for vzw customers. :). And this isn't about manufacturing. The CRTC does not care where the parts are built or even the OS. They care the company is Canadian.

Thus accountable to the CRTC who defines the rules. Additionally some contracts such as DoD require camera sounds so that someone can't take photos (security issues) without an alert.

Sure RIM could create a complex list of rules. But it's easier to just say "sound for everyone".

I assure you, it's forced for a reason.

A blackberry is not an iPhone, they are very different and intended for different customers. Contracts + CRTC are just part of it.

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raino

But why does the CRTC or any other regulatory authority care, if there are no laws prohibiting the shutter noise from being silenced?

And can't those DoD phones have their shutters silenced via BES? Pretty stupid to deny ALL buyers when only a select few would need this feature removed.

BlackberryFan777

The better design would be to allow the DoD or corporation concerned about internal leaks to configure the phones pre-distribution or via BES. The DoD is showing a pretty strong preference for iOS these days and so are many, many large companies that used to be BlackBerry customers. Any design that caters to enterprise, but pisses off consumers is just going to sell more iPhones and maybe even Android devices both at carrier stores and in the enterprise. It's a BYOD world.

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travaz

You might mention that in some areas it is illegal to silence the shutter sound.

Michael Magliocchi

+1 Precisely the reason it is not possible to mute the Native Camera as Blackberry is a Canadian Company and it is by Canadian Law they are governed, However if Blackberry made an option to silence the camera based on areas where no such law exists would be ideal. At the same time, Carriers in areas where the law does exist should be enforcing it upon OEMs to include the mandatory sound if the product is to be sold in said area.

Poirots Progeny

Canada passed into law an act prohibiting camera silencing? When and where, I'd like to know. I'm working on an article regarding privacy, or the erosion thereof - this would be helpful!

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Michael Magliocchi

http://forums.crackberry.com/blackberry-z10-f254/camera-sound-777849/
was stated in this forum. The US has a bill still going through congress as of 2009 but its fair to assume Canadian Law has had it before then.

I looked briefly for the Canadian law passed ( i'd assume its a section under the privacy act but i don't have the time nor the interest to go through that whole thing)

Poirots Progeny

Www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr414

That law NEVER passed. Didn't get co-sponsored. that thread was way off.

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Michael Magliocchi

Right, as its a US Bill, and US OEM's still have the option to Mute. Thats the best I could do to suggest the canadian law does in fact exist. the US has much more lobbying than Canada does , not to mention distictly different Legislature Systems. I'm no Lawyer nor am I even a law student but ive taken 1 Engineering Law course that outlined some difference which is why US law usually takes a few more months-years to be formally enacted

Poirots Progeny

It was never co sponsored so it's dead. Never was law, never will be. A new bill will have to be proposed. Hasn't happened in all the years since 2009.

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BlackberryFan777

Correct. The bill discussed in that thread never became law. I suppose particular states could pass such a law, but I'm guessing it would interfere with interstate commerce and, thus, be of dubious constitutionality.

Typically, in the US, we would have seen laws regulating the activity of stealing company secrets or up-the-skirt shots or whatever is feared rather than the prohibiting the technology, which can have many beneficial purposes. My girlfriend carries an iPhone on vibrate specifically for taking pictures of our young baby with the silent camera. She'll wake up or change her behavior much of the time she hears the Z10 camera. For everything else she uses the Z10.

My guess is that the forced shutter sound is a hat tip to enterprise, which should be addressed through BES or not at all.

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Fr3lncr

Just FYI - There is no law in Canada requiring a shutter sound. And here is some associated reading on Canadian Privacy Law's and photography in case people are interested: http://blog.privacylawyer.ca/2012/08/photographing-and-filming-police.html

Poirots Progeny

Thank you - just as I thought. Thus the western world doesn't have any legislation on the subject. I am a little confused why people automatically keep saying legislation exists. It doesn't. Otherwise apple et all and in trouble. Where did that mistaken belief originate?

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Brandon8ch

Silent Foto works really well! I recommend it

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amnan.pahamin

How could you missed out 'Private Camera' app. It has all the features from all the listed apps above combined into one 'Private Camera' app.

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raggnar

I am already using Auto Capture for that it is free and have lot of stuff...

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ARWestenberger

I understand completely why they won't let you silence the shutter sound. Some people don't want their picture taken, and at least the sound alerts them to the fact that one has been taken. There are a lot of creepers out there, for proof give out your BBM pin and see what kind of requests you get. I have learned that lesson first hand.

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z10fido

Paying for a feature every other phone has. Thank you and #$@# you

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FuzzyFish

It's actually the opposite, it's a feature (one that isn't popular, granted) that other phones don't have.

TomCam2710

Still don't get why it cannot be built into the native OS...

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FuzzyFish

It's a business privacy issue.

KermEd

There are also contracts such as US department of defence where the shutter must make a sound on all phones to be secure enough.

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emanuscript

Hope they update this in 10.2!!! It's annoying when I am in a meeting, and I'm trying to quick snapshot/share a sketch without interrupting. Silent should mean......silent.

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Michael Magliocchi

Screen Shots are silent in 10.2 if that helps. I can guarantee you won't see a silent shutter in a blackberry device if you live in an area where it is illegal.

FuzzyFish

Do these actually take full size pictures or just take a screenshot?

BuuKarim88

Sideload any android apps like cymera. I can mute the sound.

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Adva_

It's against the LAW to take photos without the shutter sound, that's why every single cellphone manufacturer doesn't have the option to turn the sound off. /s

Love it when die hard BB fans will go to any boundary to praise the company when in fact they should be questioning them. If there was such a law that required camera sound, you wouldn't be seeing Apple, Samsung, HTC, Nokia, and Sony sell any phones. All their phones would have been banned.

umbrau44

What law? Where is the text? And in what countries?

theegoldenone

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr414/text

H.R. 414, better known as the Camera Phone Predator Alert Act. Here's the text of the proposed legislation:

A BILL

To require mobile phones containing digital cameras to make a sound when a photograph is taken.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Camera Phone Predator Alert Act’.

SEC. 2. FINDING.
Congress finds that children and adolescents have been exploited by photographs taken in dressing rooms and public places with the use of a camera phone.

SEC. 3. AUDIBLE SOUND STANDARD.
(a) Requirement- Beginning 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, any mobile phone containing a digital camera that is manufactured for sale in the United States shall sound a tone or other sound audible within a reasonable radius of the phone whenever a photograph is taken with the camera in such phone. A mobile phone manufactured after such date shall not be equipped with a means of disabling or silencing such tone or sound.

(b) Enforcement by Consumer Product Safety Commission- The requirement in subsection (a) shall be treated as a consumer product safety standard promulgated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission under section 7 of the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. 2056). A violation of subsection (a) shall be enforced by the Commission under section 19 of such Act (15 U.S.C. 2068).

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Adva_

Just in the files. Not in effect. If it was, you wouldn't be seeing Apple, Sony, Samsung, HTC, Nokia etc sell any phones.

umbrau44

Thank you!

However, if you look at the overview, it appears that this particular bill has only been introduced and is not a law:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr414

Poirots Progeny

It's NOT law - clearly states the law DIED!

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Poirots Progeny

Oh sorry, beat me to it. :-)

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f_d

These apps can usually only take a screenshot; the video based apps can do a frame grab and get HD resolution, but in neither case are you getting the 5 or 8 Megapixel native resolution of the sensor(s)..

The sound is not that loud and is pretty easily muffled by placing your hand or a finger over the speaker port..

tarmy88

#bong

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Poirots Progeny

So you're agreeing that there is NO LAW PROHIBITING the muting of the shutter sound?

There are a load of threads on CB where people say it's illegal. I'm a UK solicitor advocate and I know for a fact now such law exists here. I also know the USA tried to have a bill addressed in congress in 2009 (H.R.414 Camera Phone Predator Alert Act) and that dies as was not co sponsored.

Is there such a law in Canada? I can't find any evidence... the only reason I ask is that ALL other phones seem to have the option to mute the shutter, the major players sell in Canada and I'm actually researching an article (a little clarification is appreciated).

It's obviously a topical issue and there are strong opinions but simply put: it's NOT illegal to mute that shutter. Otherwise, as u say, apple, Sammy, HTC et all would be barred from selling...

I miss the app berryannoying - what happened to that?

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umbrau44

I agree, I would love for someone to actually find these laws. And point out where one would be able to read them.

theegoldenone

There is most definitely a law against it. I'm not sure how the other manufacturers are getting away with it.

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Poirots Progeny

Where does this law exist? What and where.

South Korea has a law. The US, Canada, Europe (Inc UK), Russia do not.

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theegoldenone

H.R. 414, better known as the Camera Phone Predator Alert Act. Here's the text of the proposed legislation:

A BILL

To require mobile phones containing digital cameras to make a sound when a photograph is taken.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Camera Phone Predator Alert Act’.

SEC. 2. FINDING.
Congress finds that children and adolescents have been exploited by photographs taken in dressing rooms and public places with the use of a camera phone.

SEC. 3. AUDIBLE SOUND STANDARD.
(a) Requirement- Beginning 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, any mobile phone containing a digital camera that is manufactured for sale in the United States shall sound a tone or other sound audible within a reasonable radius of the phone whenever a photograph is taken with the camera in such phone. A mobile phone manufactured after such date shall not be equipped with a means of disabling or silencing such tone or sound.

(b) Enforcement by Consumer Product Safety Commission- The requirement in subsection (a) shall be treated as a consumer product safety standard promulgated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission under section 7 of the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. 2056). A violation of subsection (a) shall be enforced by the Commission under section 19 of such Act (15 U.S.C. 2068).

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Savior4Life

Key word being "proposed"......

Michael Magliocchi

From what i've interpreted, it looks to be a "Designed in , Governed by" law if that makes any sense. which would hold true if the case in the UK ,where the law that you know for a fact exists, iPhone and Android keep the option to mute and are not persecuted for it.

Poirots Progeny

Www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr414

It CLEARLY states that the proposal DIED

It's not law!

So many people keep referring to that blasted legislation without reading the most important part: it's blinking STATUS!!!

It's NOT law!

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samson47

Thanks,good to know and it's a topic worth discussing.

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Jonneh

Why does crackberry.com still revert to m.crackberry.com every. single. damn. time???

jmcdaniel101

Had the same problem before. Go to the bottom of any CrackBerry page, in your browser, and pick Desktop... or what ever option you want... and you should be all sorted out.

Jonneh

Oh my God, thank you x's 1,000 kind gentleman. I could not find that option ANYWHERE! I never even clicked to use the mobile site at all on my desktop. It was so strange.

Finally I can read crackberry normally again. I wish I could give you a cookie.

jamespaulmuir

My app Flip Shush (just got approved for Built for BlackBerry) had this feature where it muted the shutter sound of the native camera application (i.e. not a screengrab). If there is enough interest, I could add it back into the app and include it on the Pro in-app purchase addon. And don't worry, this feature doesn't require the phone to be upside-down to mute the camera shutter ;) Those would be some super awkward photos.

raino

Your app sounds pretty cool. I hope it sells and sells well.

CANWTS

Thanks for sharing Adam! Good to know the options at hand. Cheers!

ddlax22

Also, burst mode in the native camera app makes a very quiet noise

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altrax

It's funny Adam posted this as I believe he was anti silent shutter sound in a couple of the old debate threads on the subject months ago.

Anyways I'm glad BlackBerry doesn't bake these features in, at least get some money from the creepers and pedos

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Poirots Progeny

No one should take any money from those types.

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CDM76

I use Private Camera. It's free and allows you to dim the screen as well. Is free and a great app. Best silent camera app I've found so far.

JonnyC1983

Just to add my comment to this, it is not illegal in any country to have a mute option on camera shutter sounds on any type of device even a mobile phone. I have done extensive research on this topic after being told different.
Even if some jurisdiction did introduce this which is A. No practical as all historical devices would have to have the option added to them for the law / ruling to have any effect, and B. Completely unenforceable, it would be for the individual to abide by and not for a manufacturer to force on all or its consumers.
Need I remind everyone that iOS, Windows and Android all have options to silence a shutter sound along with countless other cameras and electronic devices.
I would be interested to hear an official BlackBerry take on this!

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Poirots Progeny

Thank you. My research indicates likewise. No where in the western world does such a legislation exist.

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Savior4Life

Do some more research. It is in South Korea.

Poirots Progeny

Yeah - I said that!

That's the only place I can find. Not even Japan (and they have an issue... wow)

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Savior4Life

Not native to the OS. Fail. Oh boy, here come the "It's because of privacy laws" and "Isn't that just for pervs" comments.

Poirots Progeny

Lol they're already here. ;-).

I can see their point though, privacy and personal security is a major concern, you only need to see the news for that...

That said, it's not illegal and indeed can be very practical - the theatre, museums, galleries, libraries...

Damn I sound old lol

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.giggz.

None of the places you mentioned would require the shutter sound to be off. A sneeze in the library could get you in more trouble.

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Savior4Life

Of course there's no where that 'requires' you to have it off. But no one wants to be that jerk in a library taking screen shots of diagrams or the goon in the audience at a theatre or your kids school play that keeps making shutter sounds as you take pictures. Geesh buddy.....

Poirots Progeny

Exactly!

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GumbyDammit1

Why in the world would CB promote this, despite the absurd disclaimer??? It is illegal for a reason. Nobody wants skeevy scumbags creepshotting all over the place. There is no valid reason to have silent cameras.

Poirots Progeny

Read the thread :-).

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Adva_

It's not illegal. If it was, zero phones would be selling today in the world from hundreds of cellphone company.

.giggz.

Who cares about something as stupid as the shutter sound. The majority of people who go to take a picture do just that, they don't hide there phone or say hold on lemme turn off the shutter sound first. This topic is a waste of time there are plenty of other things to discuss that are more important and have a bigger impact and effect.

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Savior4Life

You obviously haven't read through the threads in the forum, have you...?

Adva_

He/she clearly hasn't.
Are you going to ask those dozens of people around you in the library before you take a picture? How about in some meeting?

Obi_El

Come on, it's not like the shutter sound is like thunder or something, it's not that distracting, perfectly okay for use in a library

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Obi_El

I agree with you mate, very irrelevant topic if you ask me, but since it has gotten so many peoples panties in a bunch it would be better to have the option to switch it off

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Jimmy Choo1

Cheers to all the creeps!

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droggy66

Now get out and get those toilet shots perverts!!

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vineetsh08

How about a way to get the sound back to ANYTHING. My speakers just died a couple of days back in the middle of playing a song. I have read in some forums that there are others who are facing this problem and someone even claimed this to be some sort of software bug. I have since restarted and done a full swipe as well but to no avail.
My once awesome Z10 has gone mute!
HELP!!!!

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Poirots Progeny

That's odd. If you've reinstalled the os (via link) then it's possible you've got a hardware issue. Perhaps get it looked at under warranty?

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bradu1

Anybody think that since BlackBerry used to be the premier enterprise company, and I'm sure would love to be again.... and the fact that most if not all businesses would not really want their employees running around taking photos of confidential information, that just perhaps leaving an unmuteable shutter sound might have been on purpose?

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Poirots Progeny

Iphone and Samsung allow the mute shutter sound. There are TONS of those deployed in industry. I'm financial and it's all iphones or 9900's. Apps or the mute switch has never been an issue. Whenever we're required to not have a phone present - well it's just that: leave your phone OUTSIDE...

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slagman5

I am going to assume none of those are headless, so I'm going to wait until after 10.2 and apps get updated before downloading any apps that I would want to keep running in the background...

Poirots Progeny

That's a good point! Headless apps are coming (whenever 10.2 releases)...

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buckwylder

A long time ago, when cameras on phones was new, they passed some kind of law / rule preventing cell phone makers from offering a silent shutter option due to the creepiness factor of voyeurism. This is true, and why camera phones can't be turned silent.

This was quite awhile ago - in Canada, not sure if this is all over north America or even if it is still a law or a rule. I remember it even being in the news.

Posted via CB10 from my Q10 or my Z10, either way it's golden.

Poirots Progeny

That law NEVER passed - it was proposed.

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Nate650

I've been using Private Camera and it does the job, though it doesn't allow you to change the "save to" path.

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bmwbarrister

What's even more ANNOYING about the camera? It takes pictures whenever you touch the screen. Do you know how many pics i have of random things--my chair seat, the floor, my pants, my shoes, etc?

BBRY needs to change that a screen tap is focus not snapping a picture. I use the volume key for pictures anyhow.

Poirots Progeny

Yes, the volume keys are a bit fiddly but I do find this a better way to take photos. I do get some camera shake tho!

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DStLouis

You may find a more official/updated Law document but here a links that I found related to the USA laws

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr414#summary/libraryofcongress
"1/9/2009--Introduced.
Camera Phone Predator Alert Act - Requires any mobile phone containing a digital camera to sound a tone whenever a photograph is taken with the camera's phone. Prohibits such a phone from being equipped with a means of disabling or silencing the tone. Treats the requirement as a consumer product safety standard and requires enforcement by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)."

Now just wondering if these third party app should also been considered illegal. Will it be considered has a means of disabling or silencing the shutter sound" ???
Personnaly I would say Yes. This makes it to easy to do so. There were real reasons why many countries adopted similar law, and now looks likes it is still very easy to by-pass and keep going in that "pervert" direction.
...my opinion

Poirots Progeny

That's the same link others and I have been quoting - read it again carefully. It was PROPOSED... NEVER became law, as no co sponsors took it up... it DIED and it's status is INACTIVE!

This is precisely the governments have been able to slip laws in that erode our fundamental freedoms. Shockingly, no one reads the whole document. We suffer as a whole because an incorrect perception is then spread about the place.

So many people have cut and paste that same quote without reading or understanding that it was a PROPOSAL.

NOT LAW.

The link, again

Www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr414

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Savior4Life

Good God, how many people are going to post this same "proposed" bill that was thrown out in 2009!

meltbox360

They'll keep doing it until we all kill ourselves and they claim victory. RTFT. ARGGGHHHHHH. (I like how ARGGGHHHHHH is now a swipe up thing on my keyboard)

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venious

My favorite part about the stock camera app is when I'm listening to music through the headphones, and I decide to take a screenshot of something. Pauses music, then makes then plays the shutter noise on the external speaker to alert all about my creepy activities. I'd prefer the shutter noise to be replaced with a perv siren noise instead.

Z10 via T-Mobile (10.1.0.2354)

TitoAlas

You should try TimeLapse, it has worked for me.

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Jaybles

Maybe it's because blackberry have a large focus on enterprise contracts where having a forced shutter sound means it is harder to snap confidential material. Thus making it more desirable for enterprise customers........

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u4ria

- There is no such law in countries other than Korea and Japan which mandate a non-silent shutter

- Just because you can't think of a valid reason for a silent shutter, that doesn't mean everyone else in the world doesn't need one either.

- Silent shutter does not mean someone is a perv or creeper. If that was the case, every iPhone user would be a pervert, creeper, pedophile, (insert whatever paranoid stereotype you can think of)

- For users in the Enterprise domain, BES should be able to control the shutter sound. With all the BYOD iPhone and Androids out there, security doesn't seem like it's much of a concern to have cameras on phones as none of them are banned since they have silent shutters.

- Why does taking screenshots require an electronic shutter sound????

- In a public space, you have no right to privacy. A fake electronic shutter sound doesn't all of a sudden make you invisible to the camera. If so, you must be invisible to all other mobile cameras with silent shutters such as iPhones, Samsungs, etc..which all outnumber BlackBerry phones at least 10-1.

Poirots Progeny

Too true.

And they outnumber BlackBerry by considerably more that 10-1.

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bmwbarrister

Agreed to your well-reasoned comment.

OTCHRussell

Can you hear the shutter sound on the little camera that takes as picture of you running a red light? :)

DueNorthBB

This old idea of "because corporate wouldn't want it to happen" is what got BlackBerry into trouble in the first place. Given that more abundant iPhones and Androids can have no shutter sound options, these proposed "legal" reasons are moot.
I believe with the new "GPS Gating" ability of BB10.2 they should just identify "shuttle noise mandatory" zones for businesses and allow the ability to turn it off when outside it.

It sucks that in a museum, school play, or any other quiet situation, that the BlackBerry phone is the loudest. This is one of the key reason, I still use my wife's iPhone to take photos at these type of events.

Poirots Progeny

Too true also!

BES has the facility to disable the camera, or enact the sound so, if using the BlackBerry Balance - there's no reason why one profile can't have sound and the other not.

And this claim that BlackBerry is for enterprise, thus the sound stays - well that story is a tired rag. Plain nonsense. More iphones and sammys are deployed. How is it ok for them and not BlackBerry?

It's an odd decision. Certainly not a decision predicated in law.

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Thiesi

Thank you, PP, for your continued effort in educating the morons around here who are apparently unable or unwilling to read just a handful of comments before hitting the comment button themselves

MikeRotch76

I say cellphones should not have the ability for silent camera use. If you need a silent camera for a legit reason chances are you know ahead of time that you'll be needing that camera so bring a real camera.

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u4ria

Please refer to the 2nd point of my post above.

- With all the fuss being made about Instagram and it's popularity, which camera or cameras do you think the majority of those pictures are taken with? iPhones, Samsung Galaxy models, etc. All with silent shutters.

Most of those people don't have a "real" camera, and are taking spur of the moment pictures. Not everyone plans an outing centered around taking pictures with cameras.

"Real" cameras don't have silent shutters. They have mechanical shutters which make noises. If you want a "real" camera with a silent shutter, you'd have to go with a pinhole camera. But since they're so bulky, fragile, and their lack of features compared to an SLR or P&S makes them almost useless.

DueNorthBB

Over 1 billion iPhone & Android users say you are wrong.

raino

Really? Over 1 billion iPhone and Android users bought their phones for the shutter sound muting?

raino

I can think of spontaneous situations where this may not be possible.

SapphireEcstasy

Lol a shutter sound is honestly The last of my worries about a phone! Get over it!

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smoothrunnings

What people don't understand in the GTA is that there are bylaws with respect to picture taking. You need to have a permit in most places now, you don't believe me? Call the city and find out. Failing this if you get into trouble with someone for taking their picture and a bylaw officer is called in you could receive a fine for not having a permit to take a picture in the area you took the picture in. In New York the city just passed a bylaw that requires you go have a permit to take any pictures of New York.

raino

OK, but what does this have to do with the issue of shutter sound?

u4ria

I call bs on this. There are bylaws pertaining to commercial photography such as wedding shots in a park and such. But there are no such laws or bylaws pertaining to John Doe taking pictures of his kids in front of a monument or something like that.

Just how would they enforce the "no taking pictures in the GTA or taking pictures of New York" bylaws? Do they have police flying around the city making sure that passengers in airplanes don't take pictures of the city? Are there photo police ticketing and arresting all the tourists in Times Square? When there's a Jays game taking place, do Toronto Police ticket all the fans who take pictures with the CN Tower in the background? Do they mass arrest thousands who are taking pictures during Pride Parade? What about during Canada Day or July 4th celebrations?????

TJWINS

Just side load Camera 360 Android app and you get full res silent photos with or without flash.

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xiaohuaxing

This should be built in. Why the f should I have to download an app, let alone pay for the privilege of something that's standard on most other phones?

I personally want a small sound so I know the shot worked, but not having the OPTION of turning it off, and the implication that BB thinks I'm some kind of deviant stalker freak annoys the sht out of me.

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raino

I think it's subjective whether this should be a standard feature or not. Good to have natively? Absolutely.

Obi_El

No one thinks you're a perv haha, imagine this: you're a dad taking your daughter to the park, then you let her go play on the swing while u sit and read the newspaper. A few minutes in you start hearing the clicking of a camera, you look up and see some dude taking pictures of your daughter.... Bum Bum BUuMm!!!

Wouldn't you be glad then haha

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lsd2011

You should add the info that silencing the shutter sound is prohibited by law in a few countries like Japan I think.

Obi_El

Yeah it has been mentioned

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Obi_El

There is a FREE app to correct this, dont know why people are still complaining, if you don't want to use your data then why don't u use your thumb to cover the speakers and muffle the sound ;)

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raino

Doesn't work as well as a silenced shutter :) Think of being in a room that's pretty quiet already, like a museum.

Obi_El

You ask the people around you to speak up lol

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xamdam

Use silent foto app

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BBnose1

i usually use my finger to cover the speaker. It can make the shutter sound very very low. Give it a try.

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Mr Z10

*creep smile* :-7

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z10fido

Why do fan boys lie about shutter laws that dont exist ?

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meltbox360

Because they never read anything and just post or they refuse to read what they're posting and argue with you all day. *sigh* I don't know if the battle for the native shutter sound is worth it anymore -.-

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DueNorthBB

I don't understand the resistance for what I consider a basic function of a camera phone. This is the mentality which cause BlackBerry to be in such a mess. Even Apple is backtracking on what "they" think people want (e.g. IPAD mini, bigger display, multitasking) .

At least they are opening up BBM.

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polytope

Just write your own camera app. There is a camera sample that works as long as you only need the most basic picture snapping.

Korea has a law that requires shutter sound in digital cameras, I believe.

meltbox360

I'm sure all the people coming from iPhones will just write their own app to get the same functionality out of their phone as before. /sarcasm

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ixsxkxo

What camera?

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SwitchMc

Soooo... if my kids are in a play and I want to take their picture I need to be the noisy annoying guy? I love BlackBerry but some of you people are nuts to defend EVERY mistake they make. I'm in the US so I should have the option to mute it. End of story.

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cribble2k

Sweet.

Time to get back to peepin' it real.

Vorkosigan

While it isn't a law it is definitely considered an issue by law enforcement. However, with the available third party apps they would seem to be fighting a bit of a losing battle on this one.

Here is an excerpt from the RCMP website
Camera Phones - Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Possibly an explanation for why BlackBerry doesn't provide the option to turn it off.

"Implications for Law Enforcement, Parents, and Youth

Camera phones illustrate that the capacity to invade privacy through new technologies is developing at a fast pace. There are many concerns that need to be considered when exploring the impacts of camera phones in the area of oitation. Generally speaking, camera phones introduce a risk of being photographed without consent. Even if the photo is not pornographic when originally captured, it can be altered using image software.

There have been documented cases of Canadian children who have been photographed by an individual using a camera phone. The images that have been captured range from children playing in a park to child erotica to child sexual abuse images. Such images are often used by child sexual offenders at an early stage of the grooming process to blackmail the child into posing for additional pictures or to manipulate the child into performing sexual acts with the offender, other adults, and/or other children. Once the picture has been taken and transferred to a second party, the image can never be removed from the Internet. Although many private and public places are attempting to restrict the use of camera phones in an effort to protect children, the minute size of camera phones coupled with the desire to possess such photos make the task near impossible.

Cellular phone companies are trying to assist law enforcement by trying to alert people that their picture has been taken. A click can be heard when a photo is taken with a cellular phone; however, in Canada this feature can be turned off with many phones. "

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ncecc-cnce...telcam-eng.htm

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dannyd86

perfect for those "wow this chick is way too hot for me, she must have been drunk" moments when you wake up after a night out. Gotta get proof before she wakes up!!!

WhiteSpir1t

I'd rather wait for DingleBerry, go in, and remove the sound byte myself ;)

cali122

Cool but we want it integrate in the OS!!

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NursingNinja

Just wear your blue tooth or headphones while taking a picture you need to be silent.

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Ruslan Botsyurko

Didn't read all the comments, but I think the best sort if native way to mute camera is switching to Burst mode. It still makes a sound, but it's just a wee click, noone will probably hear it.

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lee baillie

Or swipe down and put phone onto silent!! No shutter noise smh

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