How I'd like to see BlackBerry 10 come to the BlackBerry PlayBook

First!!!

Green teeth??? Really??

I think I agree with Kevin. I just want my BBM back on my playbook! As long as the apps work, call it what you want. I find the playbook very easy to navigate

Hey Kevin... February work out month is working for you.
Keep it up!

BlackBerry 10 for PlayBook. If not, then were is the point? I won't spend money again to upgrade to a playbook with 2Gb of RAM.

Basically world's most safe phone blackberry..and nw blackberry 10 is awesome feature .Really want to hang out with this.

What I would be interested in are an update to the bluetooth profiles to support remote control, and the updated video player that support ac3 audio. Otherwise Playbook OS 2.1 has been working fantastic for me.

I'd really just like the hub, keyboard, browser, and new homescreen setup, as in how they organize apps on BB10 and how the icons look. I'm one of the few who don't care about the apps lol

Completely agree with Kevin! I think the plan is to let BB10 mature a bit in the marketplace and then rollout a similar OS for the PlayBook along with new hardware (10 and 7 inch tablets). While I would love to have an upgrade to the PB now, it is essentially 2 year old hardware (WIFI version) so it would be SLOW!!!

I look forward to a new PB later this year running OS update featuring BB10. By the way, love my new Z10's (bought one for the wife) and think things are looking up for BB!

Long live Crackberry!!

"what we need is a bandaid fix that brings us as much of BlackBerry 10 that will still allow the PlayBook to run smoothly. And we'd really like it sooner than later."
-agree 100%!

I definitely need the bb10 apps, but I also think I would want some of the other features of BB10 on my PlayBook. especially Blackberry World.
Maybe not BB10 for PlayBook, but a freshened up OS.

agree with 2repou in that I want BBM on my playbook, then video calling via bbm which would be nice.

Great Explanation
Totally Agree!!!

i still want to see a chromebook-like version of a netbook running qnx too. i want all my devices, even my desktop, to run qnx!

I don't want bb10 on the playbook. What I want is the z10 keyboard,a better lock screen and blackberry to fix some of the bugs(wifi dropping and orientation lock). And also BBM for the PB

I agree with Kevin 1000%. Don't really care about the user interface per se, but rather the apps and ecosystem for the playbook.

-Jeff

I've been thinking along those lines. While I'm excited about BB10, I have been worried that the experience might not feel right on the Playbook which is mostly used in landscape. I agree that what we need most is access to BB 10 apps. I would also like some browser improvements.

The only other thing I would like to have is predictive text working when I use the bluetooth keyboard. Don't suppose anyone else has managed to get the predictive text to work with the bluetooth keyboard under OS 2.0?

Not sure I agree with you, Kevin. First, BB10 should be able to run on 1gig of RAM - it's merely a matter of good programming and optimising.
Second: When I bought my Playbook, I did so with the promise of RIM to bring BB10 to the PB sooner rather than later. I put up with a lot of annoying issues, knowing that the current OS would only be temporary before the sweet BB10 goodness.

Of course, it doesn't need to (and shouldn't) look exactly like BB10 on the Z10, that's a given. But if RIM doesn't manage to bring BB10 to the PB in, say, the first two quarters of 2013, that would suck. I would seriously consider dumping my PB in favor of another tablet. And I doubt I'd be the only one. RIM has lost enough trust as it is. It really shouldn't lose any more...

Second that.... Apps is what users are looking for.
The UI and lack of hardware would diminish the great PB experience if BB10 came in its current form. Make sure you pass this on to BB.

RIM should do what Samsung did for the Galaxy S1. They couldn't release that actual Ice Cream Sandwich, but gave a version of Gingerbread with ICS features back-ported.

I agree with Kevin 1000%. Don't really care about the user interface per se, but rather the apps and ecosystem for the playbook.

-Jeff

I agree with 2repou.All i need is native BBM on my playbook and app content,that's all but if BlackBerry can bring a lighter version of BlackBerry 10 to the playbook, fine it's acceptable

I don't want the hub or active frames on a tablet. I want separate apps with the same gestures as the PB currently. Just bring in an updated BBM/video/voice, browser and other 3rd party apps, and it'll be perfect.

I would like to get that playbook wallpaper he has.

Regarding OS10 on the playbook. I would be happy with native BBM, the OS10 app selection, and the browser.

Just fix the, wonky, hacky, BlackBerry apps. The UI flows, very smooth, the use is never ever going "back". Vivek even says it in a clip from os 2.0 release. I think they took the tablet os and perfected BB 10.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipSSZo-K1bM Start at 27 seconds.

@Kevin Michaluk, I think your pic is not for nothing, wish you bring good news for us (Playbook customers) :)

I'd counter that BlackBerry 10 should still be ported to the tablet. More than likely, a slightly thinner version of the OS for the tablet will be pushed out, and I have a feeling that's really what the delay is all about. A consistent UI, marketplace, and a few new codecs and features would help to increase the PlayBook's functionality and keep its place in the BB10 universe.

The difference in tablet orientation (landscape vs. portrait on the phones), and the increased screen real estate does make some of the Hub notifications a little less of a priority, but pushing the OS would also be a good PR move by BlackBerry. A lot of us stuck with them through the long wait for BlackBerry 10 (and those of us in the USA are STILL waiting), so even just giving us a better performing device that we already have in our hands would be a positive.

I don't agree with you, Kevin, i.e. I don't care if the OS on my PlayBook ist called BB10 or not, but I'd like to see most of BB10's hotness (as you call it) on my PB, too. I think that there's a big improvement in usability and user experience. Right now PB's user interface is just standard, nothing special which makes it stand out of the competition.

According to Heise (a German publishing company) at BlackBerry Jam Europe 2013 in Amsterdam BB didn't want to tell a date, but they think it will take about 3-4 months for BB10 coming to the PB.
http://heise.de/-1797921

we just need the super fast BB10 browser on the Playbook aswell as BB10 apps and playbook apps to be interchangable in one unified BlackBerry ( app ) World.

and the time-shift camera, of course.

What I would love to see from Blackberry is some serious mea culpa. Early adapters of the playbook payed BIG time. Way more then most early adapter situations.
Possibly a worthwhile trade-in credit of some sort? I dunno, something.

I know this, it soured me on Blackberry, and that's saying something considering I was an original storm owner...

Gimme bb10 light. I don't think peek gestures make a ton of sense on the PB. But I'd be happy if we could start with BB10 icons and look..

I would like to see native BBM, parental controls on the PlayBook and that JellyBean update.

Since I don't yet have a Z10, that's all I can see right now.

I'd be happy with more-or-less the existing UI, but definitely the app support...and if they figured out a way to optimize that swank keyboard for tablet use, it would be amaze-balls.

Great article, thats what we need (and bridge)

Kevin, you left out one HUGE issue everyone is talking about in the forums though......THE LACK OF BRIDGE FUNCTIONS FROM BB10 TO THE CURRENT PLAYBOOK OS!!! This is an issue is it not???? I would love to hear your insight on that aspect of it, because I believe without BB10 on the PlayBook there is no way of integrating the current messaging features as OS 7 does to the PlayBook. I REALLY hope I am wrong...but only time will tell...

As much as I'd like to see BB10 on the Playbook, I think it'll take awhile as it's more fan service to those who've stuck with the device than anything. Blackberry could use it as a testing ground to see how it'll be on future [potential] tablets if they go in that direction, however they may stay away from tablets after the lack of success the PB had.

I think with more real estate on the playbook, they can push the boundaries of what they can do with the OS. It should be a superior experience than what we have on the phone. While they take the basics from BB10, they should be aiming higher since the screen is so much bigger on the playbook. I hope BLACKBERRY continues to push the 'experience envelope' like they did on the first playbook and now on the Z10.

Playbook - Version 1
Z10 - Version 2
Playbook update - Version 3

Blackberry needs a short term and long term Playbook strategy. Points to me for stating the obvious.

I hope that the CEO's reason for being ambiguous about the long term strategy is to not detract from the release of the phones. They seem to be having a hard enough time with that. Delayed US availability, just getting Qwerty developer models out, wasted superbowl opportunity. Though to be fair there have been a ton of success.

My introduction to blackberry was as a tool for a specific purpose. I needed emails when I was on the road to see clients, and it was an approved phone for my office. I feel that this is what is wrong with blackberry's playbook strategy. What is the playbook for?

Unless they can define the playbook as a tool for solving some specific problem I think they should abandon the market. They have little chance in emulating the consumer-centric success that Apple has enjoyed with the ipad, or Amazon with the "blackberry" fire. Unless they can create an education tool, an engineers tool, or some type of office productivity tool that people need to have they are going to lose. At this point I'm waiting patiently for the BB10 phones to come to the states, and I'm seeing what fun I can have with the stock volatility.

The long and short of it. Blackberry needs to define the Playbook as a tool that solves a real problem or addresses a previously unaddressed need, otherwise...abandon ship.

My thinking was when oonected through bridge the BB10 Playbook can utilize the processor of the BB10 phones, they way I understand QNX it is possible. But must have BB10 phones, maybe the bridge app on BB10 would be different in a way to activate the additional options? just a guess though

You are wrong Kevin. 1GB of Ram is enough. The Dev Alpha A is running fine with the leaked software of the Z10 and the Dev Alpha A is not even close to the Z10 specs.

If BlackBerry goes with a dedicated e-mail app like it is with current playbook firmware instead off the Hub on PlayBook everything is fine. I think even with the hub there is no problem.

While I think the PlayBook is a great tablet and I agree that the OS currently running on the Z10 wouldn't make much sense on it, there simply MUST be an optimized version with the same look and feel, apps and a better browser.

To those who are waiting for BBM on playbook:
From the launch event of BB10, Z10 and Q10, i don't believe that BBM will be a native app on Playbook BB10 update. There is a moment in the presantation that shows an option "Playbook Video Chat" in addition to BBM Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcN_3efuVso&t=21m50s

Not wanting to make a stupid comment or ask a stupid question, but I was under the impression that BB10 is based on a more recent version of QNX - Version 8 (or whatever they call it) - where as PBOS is based on an older version of QNX.

Did I dream that, or is it true ??

Si.

remember playing with playbook in store over a year ago and thinking that it's laggy and not smooth. didn't buy it for that reason.

What I mainly want on my Playbook is the ability to fully use Bridge with Z10 and not a castrated version.

Bring a full Bridge to the Playbook to run the same (or better) than on BB running OS6 and 7.

I have to agree with Kevin here. the specs always concerned me which is why I believe BlackBerry didn't focus, release or even mention the topic of BB10 running on PlayBook on launch day.

Aslong as BlackBerry deliver some sort of BB10 experience as they promised such as native BBM, App World etc, then I'll be more than happy.

Is anyone else here having issue with the browser being slow and unresponsive since the latest 2.1 update? I have to ususally refresh certain sites (including Crackberry) 3 times before it will load properly.

I was really hoping for the BB10 Browser!

I agree with what your observations Kevin, but I would add as a needed functionality the ability to sync calendars directly between the phone and the tablet.

I ve been supporting BlackBerry a lot. I was assuming BB10 will eventually come to PlayBook. I trusted RIM / BB when I bought the PlayBook, heck it was not even cheap, I was an early adopter. I bought the product purely based on trust. BlackBerry has already neglected PlayBook and focused on BB10 on smartphones ,which is great, I understand BB10 on smartphone is more important and should be the first priority. But are they going to neglect the early adopters with PB and ask them to buy a new BB10 tablet? again like lab rats or beta testers? It will be an injustice if they ditch BB10 for PlayBook, I will no longer support BlackBerry. Iam sorry I am extremely frustrated, I know this is not confirmed by BlackBerry and Thor recently gave a statement saying BB will update PB with BB10 soon. I hope its true!

The Top 10 things I want from BB10 on my PlayBook

1. Native BBM with video chat and screen share
2. BB10 hub.. gotta have it.
3. That sweet BB10 browser
4. That sweet BB10 keyboard
5. The new native BB10 apps (i.e. Remember, Story maker, Maps)
6. BB10 apps (Skype, etc.)
7. DLNA and USB OTG
8. The great BB10 integration with Box and Evernote
9. Some of the other cool BB10 goodies (i.e. wake screen, alarm clock, time shift camera, file manager, integrated App store, etc.)
10. Reserved for anything else I might have missed. :-)

Wonder if BB10 on the PlayBook might end up being BB10 on only the new PlayBook...

We need movie and music app for the playbook and a slimmed down version of BB10 too, also I know we all keep saying it more apps to open up the playbook more, simple apps like parrot ar drone for playbook to name but one, you can get it for other platforms but not for blackberry. Come on BB and developers.

Browser, time shift, bbm, remember, all those I would like on my playbook. Maybe not the hub if it is running al the time. A hub that you can start like an app would be fine. The keyboard upgrade would be perfect as well.

There are aspects of the BB10 platform that will not make sense on a PlayBook but there is a LOT of BB10 that needs to be moved into the PlayBook:
- Hub (it's already mostly there - just use the Native code version on BB10 vs Air version on PB)
- Virtual Keyboard
- Native code/cascade apps (Clock, Camera, Maps, BBM, Travel, Remember, etc.)
- HTML5 Browser (time to sunset Air version)
- DLNA
- Active Frames
- Integrated BB World

We don't need the full UI but it does need to be updated in areas like folder support, settings, etc. I agree that much of BB10 is setup for Portrait mode but they could "optimize" that for Tablet OS. Obviously the PlayBook doesn't need the phone functions but most (non-phone dependent) apps should work on the PlayBook too. Skype is more important for a PlayBook than it is for a cell phone.

Sounds like Crackberry nation is being softened up for other device releases that will have BB10.
To me it's just the natural progression of the platform. Tweaking Playbook OS as much as you can is the best stop gap solution in the meantime I guess.

But what I want is for Blackberry to take it a step further....a desktop/laptop version as well. That relatively seem less integration between phone-tablet-computer just makes alot of sense.

I haven't thought about BB 10 on my playbooks since I got my new Z10. Really, RIM gave us these incredible tablets for nothing and allowed us to buy many of them. I have one on my boat now, who would have thought? Everything is fine the way it is now, more apps and updates for my perfect phone! Stay focused on the prize please!

PS. Oh yeah, a special thanks to the BlackBerry Bridge gods, you guys are so smart!!

The two things I most want to see on my two PlayBooks are Bridge fully restored to my Z10, and the Z10's predictive keyboard. The PB keyboard is good, but flicking up words on the Z10 is a killer feature. But even that pales beside me wanting my fully functional Bridge back.

The beautiful BB10 clock and compass would be nice too, but generally speaking I am happy with the way my PlayBook was before they crippled it by removing key Bridge functions when I switched from Storm 1 to Z10.

Oh and while I am at in, that reminds me that the PB had no problem importing my Contacts list from my Storm, so why I am I having so much trouble getting it onto the Z10?

I love this tablet from the start, it's with me always and I've defended it from the beginning, but this starting to get crazy. First I have to Waite till April May or June before I can get my hands on a BB10 phone, but that's alright BB10 will be coming to the PB as we were told it would.But now we are being told we might be seeing some part of this. Think it is time to restart the thinking of this BB thing.

I love this tablet from the start, it's with me always and I've defended it from the beginning, but this starting to get crazy. First I have to Waite till April May or June before I can get my hands on a BB10 phone, but that's alright BB10 will be coming to the PB as we were told it would.But now we are being told we might be seeing some part of this. Think it is time to restart the thinking of this BB thing.

I have a Dev Alpha A running the full retail OS and its running fantastic. 1GB of RAM is enough.

That was a good read.

The main reason I want BB10 on the playbook is to reap the benefit of growing app selection for BB10. I also want to benefit from the fact that the browser is better, etc etc.

But agree that the playbook UI itself is already great, I just want "BB10" on PB for the apps (skype, twitter, etc), and ongoing optimzation.

R.I.P. Playbook!

I would love to have a full BB10 experience on the PlayBook, but the RAM has been a concern of mine for some time as well. While it's natural to think that BlackBerry owes you the latest OS because you bought their tablet, the reality is that hardware is constantly moving forward, and the software is constantly advancing to demand more resources.

As Kevin suggests, this is a case of "be careful what you ask for."

If BlackBerry just threw BB10 on the PlayBook, it likely would cause the performance to suffer, and no one would be happy with that.

At present, my PlayBook wish list is as follows:

Make the boot time reasonable.
Increase app support so that sideloading is no longer necessary (I want to get my apps directly from BlackBerry World, not have to hunt down .bar files.)
Improve VPN so it's compatible with my corporate network
Improve email client... and that would make me pretty happy.

no reading the earlier posts but commenting on the article

i agree kevin. my insiders at rim have told me we will not be seeing a full bb10 experience. just like your article said i have always felt that the playbook os is the best on the tablet side of it.

i just want the apps associated with bb10 wince the playbook is running the core bb10 software. the reverse compatibility is a much needed change to help kick the bad things that will be said if the playbook doesnt get the app ecosystem that bb10 has.

There's no way I'm buying a "Playbook 2" in the future unless I am satisfied with what BBRY can bring to the one I have now.

So a PB optimized version of BB10 that will bring a new and enjoyable experience to the hardware I already have will solidify my faith in their tablet support.

Very well written!!!

I have a Blackberry Bold 9700, I'm glad BB has finally come out with a great product. Its been a long wait, I almost left BB but I waited and I can now say it was worth the wait so far, I just hope updates don't take forever.

Kevin I think you hit the nail on the head with this one...although I "want" to see as much of the BlackBerry 10 experience on my PlayBook...I really only "need" a few of the key parts of it to be an ecstatic (currently a very happy) PlayBook owner... things that you pointed out (BlackBerry World with vids and music, Apps and the Hub would be great) and then I would like to add to the list the Time Shift function of the camera!

P.S. I don't know if green is really your color...I kinda hate to think that CrackBerry Kevin is "Green With Envy" over anything like an iToy or Spamdroid device and that's the first thing that comes to mind when I see someone painted up (or photoshopped) green like that.

Agreed I'm very content with my PB but I'd be much happier if I could get Skype on it as well as a revamp of the music player. If that could be addressed in the next update, I don't think I'd want BB10 on my playbook.

I agree with Kevin, but I'd also like to see USB OTG on the PlayBook.

Even with the current Playbook 2.0 software, I find that my playbook will freeze or drop the web browser, so adding an operating system that requires even more ram will just make things worse. I would rather see a new tablet with more ram and a faster processor, to increased touch reaction and smother operating. It's frustrating when my wife's S3 phone can load websites faster than my PB! lol.

I don't expect a full blown BlackBerry 10 upgrade for the PlayBook, but the PlayBook is in dire need of an upgrade. The current software is somewhat buggy and/or slow and choppy., depending on the aps. Games run great though.

The Internet via Wifi for instance is slow, pages take a long time to load. I believe the CTO or the CEO stated that BB10 native apps will be designed from the ground up, and this is the reason why people are experiencing weird behaviors with PlayBook.

Also the QNX OS is a very efficient piece of software, and can ensure flawless performance and smooth running regardless of hardware used. Of course to a certain extent. By no means is the Wifi PlayBook a slouch, though it can use a BlackBerry 10 Update BOOST.

Posted w/ my BLACKBERRY Playbook.

All good points...I would like to see the PlayBook refreshed somewhat with some of the BB10 framework, but just adding the native BBM/video will do fine for now. I don't need ALL the BB10 architecture since my soon (March) purchased Z10 will be within reach wherever I am.

I guess I won the office pool. We actually had a pool going to see when an editorial like this from Kevin would be posted. The fact of the matter is, BB10 is not coming to the playbook. It just doesn't work. I've been running a beta on mine and it's just not there. This kind of post is testing the waters to see what reaction would be. I wouldn't be surprised if BB asked to have something like this written since everyone here seems to think this guys word is gospel. Truth be told, Playbook is dead. By the time they even get a working 10 on Playbook this thing will be two and a half years old, that's 90 human years in tech.

I definitely agree with Kevin. I don't want the active tiles compared to the way the minimized apps on the PlayBook is running now. The efficiencies on the phone don't translate to the PlayBook.
As he indicated, more apps and well connected is the only thing I'm looking for in a PlayBook update.

Also, I have a source that indicated it's at least 6 months before it comes to the tablet.

Talking to Rim Engineers and reps at different Carrier meetings, they all have said that bb10 would be coming to the playbook in early summer. It won't be the same as the phones and will be optomized/configured for the playbook meaning, the UI will be a bit different which makes sense.

I've asked about bb10 Apps running on the playbook at launch and they said no as the Playbook, at this moment, lacks the gestures and ui needed for the bb10 apps to run on the playbook.

I like my playbook but stopped using since i got tired or waiting and grabbed a nexus 7. I miss the UI, but really the UI isn't enough to draw me in vs all the apps, settings, and eye candy on the nexus 7 with jelly bean.

Kevin, you are a wise man. I totally agree with you, and last week on the Playbook forum I said that I would be happy to keep the current OS on my PlayBook if BlackBerry would come out with a 10-inch version later this year. 128GB and bigger ram to handle BB10 and it would rock!!

I love my PB. More apps would be nice though. :)

PS. Is that really you or did you photoshop that?? Looking good! ;P

As much as I am content with the look and feel of the current PBOS, the limited Bridge functionality is what bothers me. It was what made the PlayBook unique. Hopefully features like BBM, SMS, and PIM access return (sonnet than later). If they update Bridge to work like it does with BBOS, I think people will be a little more patient on the full BB10 update.

I haven't read every comment, but I will put my 2 cents in.

Here is what I think BB10 on the Playbook will have.

1. Updated keyboard. That keyboard on the phone looks great and works great. Hope to see an improvement on the tablet.

2. Cascades support. This is really what a lot of developers are waiting for. It will bring a bunch of apps to the Playbook.

3. Updated Browser. New fast browser that is not using Adobe Air but instead uses HTML5? Yes please.

4. Personal/Work experience.

5. Updated BB10 apps! Docs to go, Calendar, Email (Or Hub :D)

6. And my fav, Jelly Bean Android Runtime. Finally android tablet apps on the playbook tablet :P

7. Active Frames. Don't think it will change much from what we already have. But I think that app switching will be the same.

That's not fair!!! Not at all!!
RIM (Blackberry) announced that the PB will be upgradable to BB10, that's why I bought my Playbook and not some crappy Android tablet from Asus or Samsung.
I don't care if BB10 is not suitable for 1GB RAM devices, that's not my fault (or PB's owners fault). iOS runs smoothly on 1GB iPads and iPhones thanks to the software-hardware integration and centralization, and BB10 is supposed to be superior.
I understand that my Bold 9900 cannot run BB10 at all, but.. my Playbook?? that's not acceptable.
Maybe my complain is just a grain of salt in the midle of an ocean made of sugar, but if Blackberry do not bring BB10 to my Playbook, I will drop Blackberry forever, turn my BB9900 into a fancy paperweight and my PB into a dummy and almost-useless digital photo frame.

I love my playbook, but I'll admit it's entirely lacking in the app department. If they update the OS enough that it looks slightly newer and fresh, maybe a few extra features... that's great, but the major thing for me would be apps.

I'd also like to see them step it up with the Bridge application. I used it with my bold 9900 and while it was really awesome, I noticed that the BBM and SMS features were very laggy. I'd love to see a faster and more responsive Bridge for a new Playbook OS

There are many things about BB10 that look good to me. The browser being one of the most important.

If specs are an issue, perhaps BB should give us a economical way to trade in our existing Playbooks for a rebuilt Playbook with upgraded specs.

Sooner than later

Crackberry,

Too much time letting BLACKBERY aka RIM of the hook.

The real question is why BLACKBERRY cannot deliver without some form of disappointment.
BB10 looks and feels amazing and would be a great experience on the PLAYBOOK, once it is optimized for the tablet.

We are all happy for the BB10 OS but PLAYBOOK customers should have had BB10 more or less as soon as it dropped.
Can BLACKBERRY software engineers not multi-task? Can BLACKBERRY not work on the two platforms simultaneously? Does BLACKBERRY need Crackberry to make excuses/reasons for the non delivery of BB10 OS for the PLAYBOOK?

I respect Crackberry Kevin views, but BLACKBERRY should have delivered BB10 OS for the Playbook or at least a clear timetable for delivery, customers are tired of the old RIM's vagueness.
The PLAYBOOK has been plagued by promises and late delivery, BLACKBERRY should have gained some kudos back by presenting BB10 to the PLAYBOOK now not sometime in the undefined future.

Whether I buy the Z10 or the next BB10 handset depends on when BLACKBERRY decide to release BB10 for the PLAYBOOK in a timely manner.

BB Curve 8900
Iphone 4s 32GB
2 x 64GB Playbook - OS 1.0.8

@Kevin, good article, but as others have mentioned here, one of the biggest issue is not that BB10 is not on the PB, but the loss of Bridge functionality when using Z10. For some users, this is a deal breaker when it comes to upgrading from the legacy OS to BB10.

Blackberry needs to get this sorted, and we need to hear from you on this matter. Since BB10 launch, CB appears to have gone quiet on key issues that really matter to the BB community!

Hey Kevin,

Is not the Kernel also different on the playbook and BB10 phones?

PB 2.0 = QNX 6.5
BB10 = QNX 8.0

Also,

PB 2.0 OS uses 385 MB out of 1 gig
BB 10 OS uses 650 mb out of 2 gig

thx,
Richard

Kevin, based on your post, i'm curious what your predictions/thoughts are in regards to what will come to the BB10 update for the playbook that was promised "this year"

Is it not possible that Blackberry will just update the Playbook OS2 with some of our requested features, BBM, BBM video, Blackberry World and maybe and updated keyboard with swipe typing and just name it BB10.1 or something like that ? Not actually adapting the Z10 OS10 to the playbook?

I remember a while back crackberry members were putting the OS 10 beta onto the playbook. Is this possible with the full version OS 10 now released ?

I agree completely. I love the gestures on my Playbook, I love being able to swipe from each corner to pull up something different, and I prefer the side-to-side swipe from app to app over the Z10 app switching. I don't want those features to go away. I wasn't even aware that I'd lost Bridge functionality until I read the comments above. To be honest, now that I have the Z10 I probably wouldn't use text or bbm often on the playbook, but I would still like to see them there.
The BB10 keyboard and apps are what I want to see transported to the PB.
BTW I just tried video chat from my PB to the Z10 and it works great.

I had been wondering over the past few weeks about how BB10 would translate to the PlayBook. I don't think that Peek and the Hub would be necessary on the PB, but I would like to see the BB10 graphical look, the BB10 browser and also promised/rumoured apps like Skype and Instagram.

I think Kevin is running a trial balloon on behalf of Blackberry. It seems to me that Blackberry continued to sell the PB under the promise of an upgrade to BB10. I expect nothing less than a scaled down version of BB10 - one that can run on the PB.

I am still mildly annoyed that BB knowingly sold me a phone on the basis that the O/S was still valid and would be updated by BB8 . Instead they sold me a orphan phone knowing that the OS would not be evolving ( before BBX was announced ).

It is a matter of trust - is Blackberry the same as RIM ?

They should be offering 9900 ( and latest Torch) owners a trade up promotion to the Q10.

We just want Chinese ime with BB 10! Also would be nice to side loading Andorid 4.1 apps when BB10 can!

Sorry,

But that is just not convincing. The Playbook's main problem is not the lack of Apps. It really seems to doesn't have enough development process behind it. After several wipe-cleanings
I've made, it still lacks real stability, some times it crashes, others it won't open an webpage, even though I can do it from my Android/PC right next to the Wi-fi router, and a LARGE, LARGE etc...

And why? Obviously when the company decided to write an OS "almost" from scratch, all the debugging and developmental money necessary to improve the Playbook's experience went down the toilet. And I fully understand that, what I don't is why they've lied with the "latter this year" thing. Don't they suspect that it's worst for the company's image?

Many customers patiently waited because of that commitment: not Crackberry.com nor forums promised that we would have BB10 "latter this year"...

Of course some of us immediately suspected that "latter this year" BB would give the "not enough RAM" excuse.

I'm felling totally disapointed with BB. I think it's better to sell my Playbook as quick as possible.

Sorry.

PS: At least they should open the platform for people to install whichever OS they'd like.

Well, I don't care what they call it either. I still think it can/should be done, to whatever extent possible. Or it will be taken as an illustration of BB double-talk ("it's coming to our PlayBooks." "Oh, you mean the PlayBooks that you will be releasing NEXT YEAR?" "Yes, our PlayBooks. I didn't say YOUR PlayBooks.")

They need to reduce boot time on the device, to start with, it's god-awful (2 minutes or better, meanwhile the screen is steadily draining the battery--my screen timeout doesn't take effect until it's booted! 2% battery use just to boot up sometimes. At the very least, black the screen or use some less power-intensive animation while it's booting.)

My 64gb PlayBook is currently in for repair/testing, although they tell me 'no fault found', it's clearly demonstrable, they apparently just aren't listening and it's highly frustrating to have spent any amount of money for a scratchy/staticky sounding unit (this with the speakers and keypad feedback OFF.) Unfortunately, not a flaw I found within 30 days or I'd have returned it outright.

So, if they do introduce a new tablet -- they had better make sure it passes some QA testing. They sent me a replacement that had exactly the same flaw, right out of the box! Now, several months after starting the RMA process (no replacement unit this time), I wouldn't be able to find a replacement on the shelves for my life.

Meanwhile, my spouse has a perfectly functioning unit that's hardly ever used. The irony.

wow eh
so we all bought the playbook on launch day for lets say 6bills
it had no apps(the national film board of canada and tetris circa 1988 does not count)
and we were told to shut up and when playbook 2.0 comes out then we will get the basic free apps that 8 year old children are accustomed to.i,e, skype, yahoo msngr, google apps instagram everything

then 2.0 came out a year later and had f*k all
and everyone was like ooo wait till bb10 bb10 will save blackberry and redeem blackberry
and now bb10 is out
and now your saying this $600+ tablet that i bought TWO years ago that you said was SO AMAZING but had no apps to run it.....theyve waited soo long to get their sh*t together that when they finally got an OS that is "SO AMAZING" their tablet theyve been defending is now so sh!t it cant handle it?

as i said before: best option if you are not in the corporate environment sending emails all night: galaxy s class phone and an ipad.. best of both ecosystems..cause blackberry clearly does not have their sh*t together.

i cant even give this thing to anyone for free cause my mom wants to video chat wit her family on skype/yahoo/google/something easy and the kids wanna play drawsomething and wordswithfriends

I think what alot of us who are using the playbook for business and in the field want the ability to rename files, add sub folders etc. In other words by improving the file system alone would make the playbook 100% better. And some BB10 Extras would just be the icing on the cake! :)

PB 2.1 gets more frustrating by the day: browser in particular getting worse..... Hate it

The browser sucks from day one and has never worked right, it has huge lag at times bringing up the keyboard and typing. You can type a word and you can see it appear letter by letter with 1 second delays. Boot times are still pathetic as it loads EVERYTHING.

That's just to name a few things. The playbook could run fine with 1GB of Ram it all depends what they bring over to the playbook from BB10. The android player is also so out of date to current android Os's. Which is preventing some cool port overs because of it.

It certainly can't be worse than the crap beta OS 2.1 that's on it now.

Blackberry won't give a date because they rarely hit it. Even with the Z10 now released they are still bug fixing. That should have been done already!

I think if they disabled a lot of what makes BB10 on a phone manage the communication stacks they could have a decent experience on the Playbook. I have a feeling that all Playbook owners want is access to the apps and new hub interface (which is primarily designed around a vertical orientation rather than horizontal which is where the time to port would be an issue with the proposed update schedule of 'sometime in 2013'). The guts are essentially the same between Playbook OS 2 and BB10 in my mind (the basics around multitasking and media handling). The differences between the two devices in memory could be managed by reducing the concurrent services and maybe tweak the pole times for the operating system to reduce overhead. Definitely the experience on the Playbook would not be as good as the z10 (but the HSPA Playbook would be essentially the same as the dev alpha b).

This is just my opinion of course, but having seen the various changes to the OS it would be nice to homogenize the platforms. Otherwise the Playbook will be stalled at PB2 at this point and the app selection will remain frozen in time at 2012 -- there's only so many man hours to dedicate to app building and low hanging fruit are the only ones that get eaten.

I want to see the underlying OS. Not necessarily the UI/gestures.

They could totally theme the playbook so it looks more cascadey but I wouldn't want to lose the ability to switch apps by the left and right bezles and wouldn't want to lose showcase mode. The phone UI wouldn't be better on a tablet

I also wouldn't mind if the BB hub is treated like another app that you swipe left and right to. Don't really need a special gesture to get to it. It's a tablet, not a phone. They could continue the top right corner swipe and make it have a shortcut to open the hub.

Sorry, perhaps It is because I am not a business user ... I don't understand how the bridge is better than tethering. I saw the benefit when the PB did not have native mail but now I am confused.

If it's not going to be able to run BB10, don't bog me down!

By the way wouldn't it be more coherent to switch from RIM to LTY instead of BB?

"Massive RIM PlayBook OS update could be coming later this year", notebookcheck.net, 20/08/2011

"RIM in Limbo: Next-Gen BlackBerry Phones Delayed to Late 2012", techland.time.com, 16/12/2011

"RIM CEO: To Release BlackBerry 10 Operating System Later 2012", online.wsj.com, 07/02/2012

"BlackBerry 10 phones later this year", Crackberry, 26/04/2012

"PlayBook to be updated to BlackBerry 10 later this year", AfterDawn, 21/05/2012

"Alec Saunders tweets BB10 coming to PlayBook later this year"

Come on!!!

Preach it, preach it!!!! I am behind u. to avoid the eggs and tomatoes or is it tomatoes....

I don't care about BB10 or 2.1, i only need BB10 keyboard, browser, music and videoplayer

You're right in some sense Kev that BB10 in its current form shouldn't be ported directly over for PB but a dumbed down tablet version should! PB has many issues (apps crashing, slow browsing, keyboard freezing) and they need to be fixed!

I don't care what they call the new OS, I just need a new OS on PB that addresses these annoyances! More developer attention must be paid to the PB.

While I understand what's being said about BB10 not coming to the Playbook, I can't express how disappointing that really is. First, Blackberry's promise of bringing BB10 to the Playbook is what a lot of folks bought the Playbook for. Second, there seems to be a real lack of energy from BB to push their product in the US. While i know it hinges on Cell companies and the FCC and all the redtape, it's not like this OS and device was a surprise. They'd been promising it for years, planning it for even longer and I'm still left waiting for a device that I can't get.
Perhaps the release party was a great in person, but on the web, it seemed really lacking in anything really exciting. Nothing to brag about. Not that I want too, but it sure didn't make me crazy with excitement. it was what we'd seen online again and again and again. The only new thing announced was the Q10 and Skype. From previous experience, we don't buy BB for Skype.

Honestly, I've given my support to RIM/BB for a long time. The time has come when i ask myself why I am holding out for a device, a platform, an OS that its maker doesn't seem to really want to get in my hands, doesn't want me to be enthusiastic about (Superbowl ad)and has shown no real desire to motivate me to wait even longer to get it. After all, i'm a consumer and there are lots of other options out there. Why should I keep waiting for this option. It's been years and quite honestly, i'm tired of waiting. why should I have to wait for a company who doesn't deliver as they say they will, keeps pushing things back and now, based on the editorial above, won't do as they initially promised. That's bad business in any field. So again, why should I wait for BB, when BB doesn't even want my hard earned cash? that really makes no sense at all. does it?

I think Kevin is running a trial balloon on behalf of Blackberry. It seems to me that Blackberry continued to sell the PB under the promise of an upgrade to BB10. I expect nothing less than a scaled down version of BB10 - one that can run on the PB.

I am still mildly annoyed that BB knowingly sold me a phone on the basis that the O/S was still valid and would be updated by BB8 . Instead they sold me a orphan phone knowing that the OS would not be evolving ( before BBX was announced ).

It is a matter of trust - is Blackberry the same as RIM ?

They should be offering 9900 ( and latest Torch) owners a trade up promotion to the Q10.

One thing I would love to see for the next generation Playbook is the capability for a digitizer pen! Having a pen makes a big difference when you're trying to do real work like take notes at a meeting or draw concept sketches. Samsung and Lenovo have tablets with pens, Blackberry should too!

ohhh. I understood wrongly, but correct now
old BB phones - OS 5only,
curve, Bold BB - OS 7 only,
Playbook - OS 2 only,
Z 10, Q 10 - OS 10 only (may be)
future devices also only foe some OS. but I feel. we at BB not suppose assume that we are eligible for future OS like Apple, Andriod (what ever the reason for this cause)

Dear Blackberry,

Please could you hold a vote here on the Crackberry forums asking Playbooks owners to list their top five wishes and fixes for the Playbook (other than installing BB10).

Then once you have several hundred responses compile a list of the top ten to fifteen requests.

Then work on a final 2.1 update that delivers those 10-15 features and fixes properly. Then we can all wander off into the sunset with a pretty capable three year old tablet that works. That IMO, is the best final solution to the Playbook.

Really guys if we get BB10 its going to be a world of pain that Blackberry isn't going to want to fix and support long-term.

First of all, I want what was promised. Second, If they want to do a lighter version fine, but the Playbook (although excellent and used everyday) definitely has room for improvement. Third, I'm not upgrading my Playbook to new hardware, especially after NOT getting mine at discounted price. If BlackBerry doesn't want to alienate more people than they have, they better deliver. I don't think Playbook owners are asking for a lot. They just want what they were promised. I'm not saying that Kevin is trying to cover for them, but it seems like the article is an attempt to lay the groundwork for the possibility of BB10 not coming to the Playbook or maybe a smaller update that falls short of being "BB10".

Hey Kevin,
In some ways I agree with you , I really think the reason why most people I know want bb10 on the playbook is to have the big named apps on the playbook , I live in the Caribbean and convinced at least six (6) of my friends to buy the playbook after I got mine, after a couple of other tablets made it to the market they all switched to Samsung galaxy tab 7.0 , nexus and most recently the ipad mini , they all admitted the performance on the playbook was stellar compared to some of the other devices , and they especially liked the bb bridge and the option you had to use your blackberry as a remote also the fact it could be hooked up to your tv in presentation mode with a movie running while you browse the net etc…
I think what BB needs to do in the meantime is figure out a way of getting all apps for bb 10 to work on the playbook and still keep the UI intact on the playbook, if that could be done then I will be good with that. I really deep down wanted the bb10 on there but thinking about the memory and processor it makes sense what you are saying.
On another topic isn’t there some way out there for a developer to figure out a way to get a browser unto the playbook where we playbook users could use Netflix through the browser as if we were using a laptop or even bring firefox or chrome browser to the playbook, I know the playbook don’t support Silverlight but is there any other way it can be done?

Agreed, Honestly I would not like the hub experience on my tablet. I really like the current email app. If only it can open faster, or allow it to never truly close. like Kevin said. Bring BlackBerry world to the playbook and get rid of 7Digitial and Rovio to allow the single sign on to use these services.

Bring the new apps to the playbook. Remember, Photo Editor, Story maker. But leave the gestures of the playbook, perhaps just a refreshed look. Have the menus match those of the Z10. Bring the improved file management app. Update the keyboard. Update the browser, my PB browser has been crazy slow recently and always closes. Bring Twitter and a better Facebook app. I hate the playbook's FB app.

I have not experienced the new BB10 OS. But I have not seen that you can swipe between apps like on the playbook. I like being able to do that. That needs to stay on the tablet. Honestly the whole swiping up and tapping the next active frame to switch apps is not much diff then pressing a HOME button. I love the playbooks gestures..

Also what happened to cinnamon toast. I was really looking forward to that feature. Hopefully by the time I buy a BB10 phone it will roll out.

Great article Kevin. It does make alot of sense. Thank you for the perspective

Great article Kevin. It does make alot of sense. Thank you for the perspective

So is this just an attempt to soften the blow about yet another lie and we're not going to get BB10 after all?

Forgot to say...

My brother was thinking of buying a 64Gb PB for 167€ so that we could videochat, but I will immediately persuade him for not to do that.

Better to buy a couple of Acer cheap tablets for 100€ each.

Okay....some good points above.....but the "I have been a great supporter of BB and I have had enough crap" is garbage. You bought a blackberry curve and paid how much? You bought a Playbook on discount and paid how much? Well the ifans are on their 5th phone, 3rd ipad, countless ipods, everything has to go through itunes, plus all the dangles they have to buy. Now THEY are true supporters. So if you want what they get, and you want to be a "TRUE SUPPORTER" then get going you pile of ungrateful cry babies. The rest of us will stay put, appreciate what we have with BB10, and give them a chance to get this new platform off the ground.

BB10 = New missing features and new bugs to be fixed on a obsolete tablet.

C'mon folks wake up and smell the coffee. BB10 is not a great idea on the Playbook. Look how long its taken to get the Playbook sorted this far.

You really think we have another 2 years plus of full support? Dream on.

Lets get what we have fixed and leave it at that. It is after all just a beta test. Always has been.

A Playbook "band aid" is definitely in order. For now my tablet is being put away. My Nexus 7 seems a little less in need of any aid. Does the proverbial "short end of the stick" apply here?

;)

ps here are some 2011 tablets that are still relevant and making me wish I had rethought my tablet choice.

Motorola Zoom
Asus Epad
Acer Iconia
Ipad

Yes there was a whole lot of others that didn't make it. But I didn't expect for the playbook to be in the bottom 20...

Sorry if this has been mentioned already.

All I want is that all PlayBook apps, especially native ones are re-written in Cascades. PB browser needs a long overdue overhaul as well.

Too many comments to read above, so this has probably been addressed before, but I LOVED (past tense) my playbook when bridged to my 9700. I would love my playbook still if BBRY hadn't crippled the bridge functionality! So, I hope BBRY either brings back the full bridge (with BBM & SMS) or updates the OS to a version of OS10 that can run smoothly with 1GB of ram!

I usually agree with you Kevin, but not this time. You failed to mention one very important fact. Most of the Playbook applications, including the browser are written in adobe air. BlackBerry 10 on the other hand really takes advantage of cascades and the new HTML 5 browser. 1 gig of RAM is enough. The BlackBerry team just needs a little time to develop and optimize BB10 for the Playbook. Thorsten promised us BlackBerry 10 will come to the Playbook eventually, and I'm going to hold him to his word. I definitely want my Playbook running BB10.

Can't you just have less apps open and only one or two accounts in the Hub?
Also, whether it is build into the OS or not, most of us have the Messages app open all of the time anyway so it seems to be a moot point.

I hope you discuss of your opinion with thorsten because that's a good one. I agree with you.

" I think the UI can't be identical to BlackBerry 10 on the phone - it will need to be optimized for tablet use." ,,, nice write up,,, yeah, it makes sense,,, but they can get it done the way it needs to be,,, no flip-flopping BBRY!!!

"THE GUY YOUR MOTHER WARNED YOU ABOUT"

That's why BB10 for playbook is delayed, they need to rebuild it for the Playbook, to adapt the UI for the form factor of the playbook.

If my playbook ends up being as useless as a BB7 device, i'm going to be pretty damn annoyed. Honestly. I gave BB the benefit of the doubt when I got the playbook, thinking it would be part of the next generation devices. If they don't deliver on that, I think I might as well start thinking about another device.

So what exactly has BlackBerry been doing the past 2 years?

Why when QNX was purchased all we had was news about how well it ran on relatively low amount of hardware, now all of a sudden 1GB of memory is an Achilles Heel?

I dunno this article kind of is apologizing for BlackBerry, while I don't want to rain on their parade, I don't see how asking people to WAIT LONGER after all this WAITING is going to be beneficial to their bottom line. I don't see how this strategy is going to make America any more friendly to BlackBerry.

When will BlackBerry start delivering good news without any IFs ANDs or BUTs?

I have 2 playbooks a 16GB I brought on launch day a 64GB I recently brouhght with the expectation on it running BB10. I'm in the US so I can't get a Z10 yet but the idea the brigde funtionality is dumbed down and BlackBerry couldn't figure out how to get BB10 running on PB for launch day makes it seem that BlackBerry can not distance itself from the RIM buffunory. Plus the Q10 not available anytime soon??? I'm on my 6th BlackBerry (currently using 9900) but they continue to dissappoint. And Crackberry has sadly at times become appologist for them. Stop making excuses for them and tell them to pull it together!!

I sure hope they keep the trade in policy they have with their phones. I would trade my current playbook for a beefed up one that can handle BB10 to its fullest. A slimmed down BB10 os would be giving in to just being content, i want to be wowed!!!!!!

I am actually astonished by Kevin openly suggesting that BB10 should not come to the PB. Blackberry made a promise that this would happen! If they offer a stripped down version that is better than the current OS2.1 experience, I can see the majority of PB owners (and potential buyers) being happy with this.

I appreciate there are a fortunate few (CB team especially) who have multiple devices from other brands (Apple, Samsung) that offer a more satisfying overall experience, but there are a lot of BB users that cannot afford that, so supporting the BB experience is what WE want, and that means providing products to the VERY patient customers which meets the standards promised.

Kevin, I have had my playbook for a year and half now. I was able to do all my online school work with no problem until the last to updates. This semester I have to use my laptop. I've talked to the bb techs on numerous occasions and nothing has been done with the default browser . They can't even log into my school Site from their office computers running this system. Luckily I was going through apps and found maxthon browser. At least I can log on. Any way I took my playbook to Vegas for my wedding last year. I defended blackberry amongst all of the iphone people, that were everywhere. No matter what they thought at first, after the conversation, they thought it was a decent tablet. I take my playbook everywhere. The last year and a half of my life has been captured by and on my playbook. I feel as a consumer and as a person who bought shares of rimm at the time, for 7.00 a share. Yes I almost tripled my investment so far. But when all the na sayers felt rimm was dead, I was standing by their side stronger. Now I feel like I keep getting invited to the super bowl but never told which one....it's hard to stay committed in a one way relationship....We need something soon.....at least a firm date.

Agreed just bring us the apps!! Don't want BLACKBERRY10 on my PLAYBOOK but I do want the apps...maybe 3.0?

I agree as well too many things you say kevin! No need to an exact copy but the same OS basis and libraries etc. to make BB10 apps working on the PB. What i currently miss most on it is:

- DLNA !!!
- again DLNA together with a proper media player for audio & video
- Skype !!!
- Proper IMAP support where sent emails end up in the correct IMAP folder again
- A proper navigation (even the one on BB10 would already be a big plus)
- The filemanager from BB10
- Nice to get a better browser

That's it already...If this comes I would say 100% percent done

Maybe they can turn off some features or only allow 4 open apps if the RAM is 1 GIG.
There are plenty of ways they can allow BB10 on the PlayBook while limiting the affects of less RAM.

I think the RAM issue will be less of a problem on the PB. There's no phone app to always have 'open', no SMS and other bridge features to have open all the time either. We would really only need email, FB, and twitter, maybe linkedIn in the Hub. If the Z10 can have 8 apps open at once, limit the PB to 6. I also think the interface will work perfectly well since most people use it two handed.

What I want most are the Blackberry World, Web Browser and native apps, no more adobe air crap.

bb10 os is the best os yet

As long as bridge works between the Q10 I'm going to win here on CB.com and my playbook, I'll be very happy. that's all...the playbook is pretty cool as is (though intermittent keyboard lag is something I hope they can engineer out of the software someday) and is, in my mind with the exception of a native Kindle app, far superior to the iPad (and my company makes iPad apps! for our marketing clients). i don't need more games or fart apps, so the dearth of useless apps that Generation Duh seem to need so badly doesn't bother me. Make bridge work and I'll be happy. Hurry up April...or at the very least a CB drawing for a Q10.

Great article Kevin. As long as the apps come, including the ability to text I would be happy.

Maybe. 2 to 5 years down the road if bb survives that long. I still doubt bb 10 will actually make it to the US. There is no firm date and by the time it does Galaxy S4 which has a Faster processor and more ram will either beat it to market or be right on its heels. I have a 64gb playbook and a 9810. My 6th bb. But I am sick of Bbrry and their delays and bullshit.

My wish list

1) Access to BB10 apps
2) Better browser - current one is laggy. Need javdscript turned off most of the time
3) Blackberry apps - Camera, moviemaker,, BBM, Traffic, Travel, Maps
4) DLNA
5) Bridge

I think you need to get a life.....

Wasn't January 30th supposed to be the global launch of whole new operating system BB10? As it stands now January 30th was the launch of a new phone in some regions the Z10...pretty much if you can't get the Z10 then there is no BB10. So here in the US we can only dream about it. It's kinda wack to see more effort seems to on new Dev Alphas?????How many Dev Alphas do you need???? Give the Devs the actual phone since it's available. What about the customers??? What good are apps if we can't access them????

I agree with dafunkhead, as a penny pencher that anything a over a buck hurts to break, I like the value that my 9800 and PB16 offer. I do appreciate that the CB team has multiple devices that allow them to give a more detailed scope of opinion. I do want to support BB with my penched pennies and bucks. My PB is great and I would be willing to leave it as it is and invest in a 10inch PB with the right muscles for BB10!

As someone who used to sit in on the Hardware and OS Meetings at RIM, it has been basically ruled out that BB10 will run on anything with less than 2GB of RAM since they do not want to dilute the BB10 OS with a scaled back version.
However, I would still expect to see some features from BB10 come to the Playbook since the core framework is still QNX.

Bravo! Kevin.

I moved from the 9800 to the Z10 at launch and I love it, especially the browser. A few niggles but nothing serious and nothing I won't get used to or around. Didn't I hear that skype was coming to BB10 at some point, and hopefully whatsapp. What I was REALLY disappointed in is how BB Bridge was disabled apart from the tethering. It's a real shame and I hope that they do something to fix this ASAP. I love my PB too and apart from having a few more native apps for PB I am not bothered about having a new OS because what I had already more than met my needs but the bridge non-functioning is a bit of a shame which I hope gets rectified pretty quickly.

I agree with most of your points. I will really miss some of the gestures on the current Playbook if they disappear (single swipe app switching, and the diagonal swipe down to see the actionable status bar).

In terms of the blackberry 10 features I really want to see:
- BB10 browser
- Blackberry World
- BB10 app capabilities
- A stable version of Docs to Go that doesn't crash when trying to load complex documents.

Apart from that, I'm a happy camper with my playbook.

Kevin raises excellent points about the differences between BlackBerry OS 10 and BlackBerry Tablet OS 2.1. The biggest complaint right now is the reduced functionality of BlackBerry Bridge, but there are other features of BlackBerry OS 10 which need to be addressed as well. I will not list them here because the forum is littered with a laundry list of these features/functionality.

Good post Kevin. I agree with the RAM use because I was thinking the same thing when I looked at how much of the 2GB's is used by bb10 on my z10.

Then I figured they could implement a lot of features from bb10 in an iteration called BlackBerry 10 for Tablet. The wifi only tablet also won't have to run a number of services that the phone needs to have running 247, like LTE.

However, you're right. A full blown version of bb10 on the Wifi PlayBook would not run smooth at all unless heavily optimized. This could be the reason they had the bulky 1gb version, as a test for the playbook. Hope that makes sense, I'm all high on my z10 since yesterday... Total binge.

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It is a good idea to have different bb10's for tablet vs. phone. Then people are not just feeling like they are purchasing a "big z10", but rather a distinct, but similar tablet version.

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I'm in no hurry to replace my Curve and I have a PB as well. BBM and the bridge are some of the tools I use. If I can't have those with the new Z10 then I'll wait and see if I should upgrade. Don't need more at the moment but they better address these issues asap.

I think that they should hold off and focus on the phones. BB10 has a lot of work to be done on it still. (The menus are really inconsistently placed). Get the issues that make people not want to buy the phone fixed first. The Playbook can wait. We do want BBRY to succeed, and that is definitely not certain yet. Demanding BB10 for the Playbook may have negative consequences.

I don't really care about the apps or anything, i love the Playbook OS, i use it mostly to read news, watch funny videos on Youtube, keeping my University notes ont it ..., but i NEED BB10 ! simply because i'm an Arabe, and it's driving me crazy that i can't use Arabic on the Playbook, I can't send e mails, or write articles , i have to use my Computer or my BlackBerry phone ...

The CrackberryKevin Hulk is disturbing lol. I agree with you relating to the incompatible aspects of the Z10 and PlayBook UI . You make valid points.

I agree with Kevin. Was thinking about this last night too. The UI on the BB10 smartphones are, to put it mildly, unattractive and dated. No real "home screen". I like the look and feel the PlayBook OS. I want to be able to take advantage of the BB10 appsphere and benefits.