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Posted by vx1 Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

now that was an idea :)

 
 
Posted by ibcnul8ter Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

if you bbm someone that's not on bbm, it does it just like a text message to. so no winner there.

 
 
Posted by weepow Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

with your BBM u can add someone to it with just a regular phone number, it doesn't have to be a PIN or an email.. i have done it many times...

 
 
Posted by mkye86 Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

yes you can however that's not a true BBM as it does not have the S,D,R Badges or "Is Typing Message" Feature and still uses ur Txt Msg Plan.

I like having a seperate Icon for BBM. BBM is so Iconic that it needs its own Icon. BB has a the Universal Inbox however that allows you to view ALL Messages in the same Inbox so Like the other guy said No win here. It's all pretty seamless/integrated on BB.

 
 
Posted by euro2low Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

don't forget... how many people are actually using apple's servers for iMessages right now?? Figure how many BBM's are being sent while you are doing this. Try it when Apple is getting flooded with iMs and see how stable it is.

 
 
Posted by Kiddo2050 Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

Yes, of course this is a good point, not to metion that BBM has tons of features that iMessage doesn't, but the apple loving crew at CB (worshipping their over priced and underperforming iMacs and Macbook Pros) immediatley worship at the apple alter.

Really if RIM is on their game (big assumption) Apple has just handed them a ton a free "one-up" advertising. Basically Apple admits that BBM is valuable and comes no where near matching it in features.

Example " If you don't have a Blackberry then you can't gift time or Apps to you friends and family."

"If you dont have a Blackberry then you can't use BBM to discuss books with your BBM friends"

For many people the iPhone is great I get it, but RIM needs to fight the perception that iPhone can do everything that every other phone can plus more. iPhone can do a lot but BB do some stuff better so get that message out.

 
 
Posted by jbestman Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

IMessage does not need to be better than BBM, it only needs to just work and it will be a hit. Judging from the video, looks like it works beautifully, I am very impressed. For the first time I think I might be iphone bound.

 
 
Posted by FlashOp Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

You can add text contacts to bbm but it would be an extra step instead of fully integrated like iMessage

 
 
Posted by AbuYazeedUK Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

I want in on your BBM Group :)

 
 
Posted by MarketRide Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Kevin, you forgot to mention that bbm is integrated in the messages on the bb as well.

 
 
Posted by RicZoh Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Yes. This what I was going to say. I've included text contacts (all iPhone users) into my BBM contacts list. They all look like they are BB BBM contacts. I wouldn't need to do that if they'd just get a BlackBerry.

 
 
Posted by mckillio Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

I had no idea you could do this, awesome. And this is why I love BB, there's always something new to find/figure out, I feel like I have a new phone.

 
 
Posted by crwblyth Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

I want in on your BBM contacts :)

 
 
Posted by bahandi Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Or are all SMSes between iOS devices now getting the R and D?

Also, is this an SMS app or data app?

 
 
Posted by doubleaa25 Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Its a Data app built into SMS application.

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Kevin, what about sharing location, sharing files and most of all voice notes conversation.

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Also profile pictures and status updates, music updates, contatcts sharing

You should really do another video.

 
 
Posted by doubleaa25 Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

You can add Text Message contacts to BBM so its all in one app.

 
 
Posted by tnhrocks Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

What is the max meg you can send through imess?

 
 
Posted by Laserpointer Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

I love my iPhone, but BBM is much better than IM. That's why I still have two BBs.

 
 
Posted by calvinchui333 Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Is the BBM on the video 5 or 6?

 
 
Posted by TheAmazingHarold Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Lol that was awesome. Can we have more 3 way/conference vids in future please? XD

Is there already a CB group? If so, where is it? If not, we should make one.

 
 
Posted by pramanayudha Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

That's a good idea

 
 
Posted by abdul Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

BBM is better.let's see what happens when all of the Apple users thy and use it.

 
 
Posted by brucep1 Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

good analysis

 
 
Posted by shankeith Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

lmao^

 
 
Posted by BBOttawa Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

iMessage isn't even out for users yet, so the Apple servers and data pipes are not under any load, let's see how well Apple can scale before we declare a speed winner. They're both quick enough I'm sure though!

 
 
Posted by tkwolf Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

BBM but i honestly think that by aesthetics the IM looks nifty. I wish RIM would revamp its sms and bbm thread looks!

 
 
Posted by MyMeth Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

I wonder what's the reaction of RIM when Apple released the iMessage. I admit I'm a hater! iHate Apple:p

 
 
Posted by stitch69 Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

let apple ppl use imessage and let us blkbry folks use bbm

everybody shud be happy now

.

 
 
Posted by Xopher Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

It looks interesting, although I'm surprised Kevin didn't touch on the fact that SMS contacts can be added to BBM - messages can be sent to BBM and SMS contacts all within the same interface. Plus, games and other apps can integrate with BBM.

BBM Groups is also something that really stands out. Nice to see Kevin touch on that feature. Hopefully they will do a more rounded comparison in the future.

 
 
Posted by Kryptonian1218 Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

I agree. Kevin you dropped the ball by saying you can't integrate you sms and bbm messages. That would have been an opportunity to showcase how BB can be customized to the user.

I think iMessage is not ready to be compared with bbm yet. There are no shared lists, calendars, nor real "groups" for that matter.

 
 
Posted by gravymonster Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

yeah that was lame. I have all my messages combined. Email, SMS, BBM. In fact I rarely actually go into BBM, I even keep it in some sub-folder. It's such a foreign concept for me to see everything as its own folder like Kevin has...

 
 
Posted by Rumein Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Would love if RIM did a cross-platform version of BBM. The idea isn't bad either ^_^

 
 
Posted by ted_livingston Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

It looks like the iPad was on wifi - were any of the other devices on wifi? To me the real test is cellular to cellular

 
 
Posted by BBprodigy Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

Nice,but from what I see iMessage does not have status updates, avatars, groups....these are all the little things that make BBM what it is. The iMessage UI looks as if it was only designed for 1-on-1 chatting...your sent messages on the right of the screen and the other person's incoming messages on the left side...I dont know how group chat will work on it. Dont tell me that with all the hype this iMessage thing is generating, simple group chat wont be available. From what I've seen so far there's not much difference between iMessage and normal SMS texting, which is boring. Also, I wish Apple would give the option of choosing a 'screen name' for iMessage instead of using Apple ID. As you know your Apple ID is essentially your e-mail address and not everyone wants their e-mail addy out there.
As it is now, iMessage = to SMS texting+sent/read notifications+ability to send pictures, contacts, documents. But hardly a BBM-killer yet.

 
 
Posted by Blacklac Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

How could you?! You were easy on them. :(

We can integrate SMS into BBM.
We can check ALL our messages in the "Message" folder.
You watched him pull down his notification bar and never mentioned we can do the exact same thing.
We have customizable LED's! You should have been like "Oh hey, white LED (yeah, needs an App) here's a BBM!"

Man. :(

 
 
Posted by XP7051V3 Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

UNFAIR TEST!!!! The iPhone was using WIFI and the BB was on 3G!

 
 
Posted by spoddar751 Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

agree! need a redo.

 
 
Posted by haadah Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

+1

Furthermore, the test should be done using the same cellular network to get the most accurate comparison.

 
 
Posted by tda_tda Thursday, Jun 09, 2011 350 days ago

what's the difference with crunch sms then? for apple users, it's almost the same like ol' sms with new UI and WIFI?!

 
 
Posted by herrbremerhaven Friday, Jun 10, 2011 350 days ago

Is there a way to figure out the data usage differences?

 
 
Posted by nasigorengpete Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

I prefer a separate app between SMS and iMessage/BBM
That way i know exactly what I am sending to my family and friends abroad.

I merged the SMS and BBM before and I always forgot that I was replying to SMS but i typed it like it's a BBM... phone bill got bigger. haha.

Never again.

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

He he, I was the same and kept looking at the D waiting to change to R and was wondering why it never did lol.

 
 
Posted by xtremez Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

You can integrate Text Messages with BBM Contacts no?

 
 
Posted by The Gift Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

Jee wiz!.. you BB users will never be happy no matter the outcome... I'm sure Kevin and Rene know how to conduct a fair comparison test.

 
 
Posted by BlackB_G Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

Whats funny about all this is Text messaging on BB also show msg delivered just like BBM... only thing u don't get is the "Read" notification. That's like some 15 year old feature called "delivery status" in case ya'll forgot. Gosh..

Also.. BBM is integrated with text messaging. You can link your contacts with their BBM profile if they are on BBM but it will not detect it automatically but thats only because BBM gives you the option of choosing to add or decline a BBM contact unlike Imessage. Don't forget BBM started as a tool for office free messaging instead of using email before it went out to all everyday users. Your PIN is personal and you choose to give it out thats why BB does not work like Imessage. All imessage does is it has taken what Whatsapp does with your phone number i.e automatically adds them to your favourites list because the telephone numbers are used as the ID.

Having said that.. no idea why you are all moaning. Imessage will only make BB up their game thus improving on BBM even more meaning at the end of the day we all win.

Tired of ya'll acting like lil fruits going gaga over some device that you'd be tired of and look to upgrade in about 6 months or so. Last time i checked the only people getting rich of your arguments was Apple and Blackberry shareholders.

Give it a rest and just appreciate the competition.. u ultimately benefit from better products in the long run.

Smfh..

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

You're right, now that the dust has settled imessage is making BBM look even better.

 
 
Posted by reeneebob Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

I guess I'm the only former Berry user (well and my husband) who didn't like nor use BBM. Mostly because I HATED the R and D thing - sorry, if I read your message and don't feel like responding, I don't need to be harassed by you sending me messages saying "I know you read it".

Sorry, still think it's over rated.

 
 
Posted by emirozmen Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

Only plus iMessage has is you don't have to worry about if the person has iMessage or not it detects automatically. I have tried iMessage between iphone-ipad-ipod touch it is fine. Wish bbm was integrated into text messaging

 
 
Posted by csantoss Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

It would be interesting for CB to compare Live Profile to BBM...

 
 
Posted by Revyrah Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

LiveProfile is still in beta, and last I checked, it doesn't even have file transfers in their BB version yet. Plus the don't is too small. The app isn't customizable enough. It has a ton of clutter that you can't clear out in the friend's status. Right now, its a mess. The only thing going for it is that its fast.

 
 
Posted by eBud Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

1. If your keypad is set up to take commands, pressing N will put you right into BBM - no need to search for an icon. Anything like that on iMessage?
2. BBM still works well on my wife's old AT&T 8310 - without WiFi or 3g...iMessage has gotta have at least one of them to work.
3. It's been convenient to email and resend an entire BBM conversation to a 3rd party - right from the BBM menu. iMessage does that, too?

 
 
Posted by nighthawks Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

I hope RIM can integrate SMS in BB OS to BBM . I know we can send SMS from BBM but
still we have separate SMS icon.
after that, make sending and receiving TXT free , not just between BBM to BBM , but to
any phones , to any platforms.
now, I don't know if that is possible , please excuse my ignorance.

 
 
Posted by mkye86 Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

your universal inbox already does this. And unless you have unlimited texts, it will never be free. You can get email, SMS, BBM, WhatsApp, and any other notification in just your Universal inbox. Then if you want you can hide the Txt Icon, or even the BBM Icon. and just have the 1 Inbox icon.

 
 
Posted by gregerator Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

Question- can iMessage be installed on iOS4 devices, cause BBM is on every device. And Point- Kevin did everything one handed while Rene use 2 hands to accomplish his tasks- that is a BBM win to me.

 
 
Posted by shboy Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

what's new here iMessage diff from already existing apps like kik, whatsapp etc on iOS? BBM 4ever period

 
 
Posted by steve2172 Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

Will Jobs let iMess users transfer ANY type of files? I regularly share mp3 files up to 6 mb in size with my BBM contacts.

 
 
Posted by mavricxx Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

Does anyone know if the messages sent thru iMessage internationally are free? Or do you get charged international charges?

 
 
Posted by ianbordas Friday, Jun 10, 2011 349 days ago

not impressed... also Kevin, u kinda let us down on this head to head, lousy job on pointing out so many features bbm can do just like im and maybe better! i added my fav text contacts to bbm and therefore only use 1 app for that. iM is just an improved version of whatsapp for iOS...

 
 
Posted by corrieg Saturday, Jun 11, 2011 348 days ago

I am with Rogers, with unlimited text and MMS. Reason why I said that is with the menu option to invite a contact to BBM, they have "Add a text messaging contact".

So with my unlimited use I can still send videos and pictures, and get the response in my BBM.

 
 
Posted by psyry Monday, Jun 13, 2011 346 days ago

I wish BBM would stay exclusive for Blackberry. I'm sad to see it pimped out cross-platform.