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Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

I get it. Zeis. Like Carl Zeiss Lenses. Clever. Very Clever. Who thought that one up??

 
 
Posted by Adam Zeis Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

I did :)

Go back in your cage. 

 
 
Posted by johnmarki Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

HHAHHAHAAHAH. Yes. +1000. Gotta love banter. Oh, and by the way, pretty interesting article ;)

 
 
Posted by Status45 Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

Great job in completely leaving out the PEARL 3G which was more then 365 days!

 
 
Posted by Adam Zeis Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

The Pearl 3G was announced on April 26th and released in Canada in June. Thats only 2 months.

http://crackberry.com/rim-introduces-new-blackberry-pearl-3g-smartphone

http://crackberry.com/blackberry-pearl-3g-now-available-ordering-rogers-...

Granted AT&T was longer (as always) and didn't release until October. 

 
 
Posted by Status45 Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

The spy shots were on CB a year before it was ever announced anywhere. It was fully done and manufactured there was no difference from leaked one to the one that was released where was the hold up? I'm sick of waiting around for RIM to release a slightly better version of my phone.

 
 
Posted by Adam Zeis Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

Well this has nothing to do with leaks or "spy shots". If you get into that then you're running down a totally different road where timelines go all over the place. Here I was only looking into actual RIM announcements and official releases.

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

The Pearl 3G was announced at WES 2010 and was released about a month later.

 
 
Posted by mohawk rcer Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

Good one,bring that touch bold on ;-)

 
 
Posted by Chaviv Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

Very nice article, Adam. Very interesting.

 
 
Posted by JAGWIRE Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

nice post :)

 
 
Posted by iammehran Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

quick question guys, will the torch prices drop once the torch 2 is released?

 
 
Posted by nashstruck Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

It'll probably go for free on a cheaper contract. Everyone usually wants the latest and greatest.

 
 
Posted by iammehran Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

but will the pay as you go prices drop or will they stay the same?

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

I believe Mr. Lazaridis said that the new devices will be rolling out at the same time once they are finally launched.

 
 
Posted by fnguyen Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

so we re not even close to the original bold numbers yet. since the 9000 was such a success we can only hope for the same of the 9900 except that the competition was maybe less harsh

 
 
Posted by BlackBerryRulesTheWorld Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

Adam. Do you have any idea about how the other companies do it? Apple proposes a product and they clearly say 90 days and sometimes it has not even hit the FCC before the anouncement. Sony releases the S1 and we see teasers with no specs and no release dates. Get off the Negative Nancy wagon that your entire office seems to be on and start motivating this world to be buying BlackBerry's and talking up what the current models will do because in a few weeks when you have finished playing with your 4 new toys, will you be back to complaining about how long RIM is taking to deliver new products again. Start showing a strong business who supports its business partners and you will increase your readership and strengthen of your own company in time for RIM to increase with you. Open your eyes and look outside North America for a change.

 
 
Posted by nashstruck Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

"Outside North America" only reflects a time lag of approximately 6 months. Trust me, I'm outside the Americas and I feel the frustration of picking a RIM device.

And what Adam is doing is being true to its viewers. "Partnering" with RIM isn't what Crackberry is all about. Its about being true to the fans, no matter how hard the truth is to swallow. It isn't always about the money, son.

 
 
Posted by Adam Zeis Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

Don't think this is really all that negative. It's not meant as a complaint or rant but merely an examination of the biggest devices for RIM in recent history. Just stating facts and expressing my thoughts on the subject. Sure it may sound negative, but if we aren't being honest when we write posts then what's the point? No one wants a 100% happy go lucky fanboy site that hides behind the truth right?

We're always all about buying BlackBerry too. This doesn't really have anything to do with owning or not owning a BlackBerry, just highlighting issues with releases. I'm by no means telling anyone to jump ship and go with another platform. We're all BlackBerry lovers and its our job to write about the good, bad and ugly. So this piece is just part of the flow so take it as you will.

 
 
Posted by 1canuck2 Friday, Jul 08, 2011 321 days ago

I don't think this was overly negative! First, it was interesting. Second, I filed it as "I can't wait for the new devices, lets analyze how long other things have taken cos Adam is excited" not "Adam is whining".

Also, you said Apple proposes and then there's 90 days? In recent times, haven't all Apple "official" product announcements been a mere week or less before product availability?

 
 
Posted by mustangboy88 Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

I think 2 phones that should be added to this blog would be the Storm and the Style. The only reason I bring this up is because the Torch was an exclusive to ATT, as the other devices I mentioned were also exclusives. The Storm for sure should be on that list for the anticipation and hype that device made up to it's release.

 
 
Posted by nashstruck Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

"That would be a bad thing for rim" ?? I highly doubt that it's much of a problem. Or at least it isn't for Samsung, Apple or Motorola, just to name a few.

RIM's customer policy leaves much to be desired,most ppl are already aware of products that are in the pipeline. We all have access to the w w w.

Question is however, why do they take so long to push it through? I think it's all logistical. Having 2 CEOs instead of one is a prime example of the communication inefficiency that RIM faces.

Cut red tape. Streamline the whole experience. Just the number of different software versions from different carriers is sucha headache.

 
 
Posted by mmcpher Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 322 days ago

I tend to think of the duration of the announcement-to-launch period is a function of RIM's marketing needs at the time of the announcement, rather than as necessarily being indicative of some dysfunction on RIM's part. The Playbook was a whole new market for RIM and one already heavily dominated by its rivals. The decision to announce 200 days before launch was to get RIM in the tablet conversation and to hold onto RIM consumers who might have opted to by a rival's tablet in the absence of an official launch date. So it isn't a case of RIM thinking he Playbook would be ready in 60 days and it taking 200 (and for all those extra days, it still launched incomplete).

With the Torch, the rumors were so persistent and widespread that the official announcement was a formality. It was, IIRC, almost 6 months after the first photos of the Torch were circulating that the Torch finally released, not the 9 days as appears in the chart. The Torch buzz was building then, without the official announcement, and RIM was in a comfortable enough position to sit on the news. When they are confident of demand, I expect the company limes to hold its own counsel and play its cards close to the vest.

But with the next slew of releases, there are obvious pressures for RIM to make announcements ahead of their comfort zone -- the stock price, the terrible press, RIM needed to get the narrative back toward the positive. Of course, once they'd announced, every day that passes without a launch is held against RIM. Regardless of what the cause of the delay is, if delay it is. I wonder how big an impact the wait will have. The duration I am interested in is how long between the 9900 and the Torch 2 for my carrier. I am a Bold and Torch user, so I know these devices will be worth the wait and I'm not going to panic and buy a Droid or Iphone if it takes a few extra weeks.

 
 
Posted by raskal1130 Thursday, Jul 07, 2011 321 days ago

Great article Adam. I agree. Some think leaks count as "official announcements" of phones. If that was the case, the Bold 9900 was announced for 2+ years :D.

Hopefully RIM can get their act together and learn from their recent mistakes and start getting back on top.

 
 
Posted by rlhammon Friday, Jul 08, 2011 321 days ago

I guess I miss the point of the article, yet so many people say "great article".

The development cycle has NOTHING to do with announcement to on sale date timing. For the story to carry any true comparison, one would need to know with certainty that each product was announced at the same point in development. There are most certainly toll gates for reviews and stages of testing, if the announcement came at the same tollgate / review point and they differed from there, that means *something*, but what that means to the end customer depends on what caused the variation in timing until on sale.

mmcpher is the only person that seems to get this. RIM announcements come based on marketing needs, not some tollgates indicating progress in the development cycle, and that's why nothing is being made official yet... it's still too far out until release for sale.