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Posted by datta72 Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

I'm confused on why you didn't fire up Desktop Manager and do everything in 1 shot

 
 
Posted by Joseph Holder Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Well, like I said, I wanted to write an article about how you could switch without using BB Desktop Software. I try to do everything first-hand before I write about it. If I had just tried to research the answer, I never would have discovered these problems. 

 
 
Posted by diegonei Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Joseph, could you write a piece on the Tasks app (specially the mysterious recurrency option)?

 
 
Posted by sk8er_tor Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

You mention BlackBerry ID. I don't think pre-OS7 devices linked your email accounts to your BlackBerry ID but perhaps I'm wrong. I believe GSM SIM-based devices are simpler to switch over. I remember when I switched devices a while back, as soon as I put in my old SIM in the new phone, it automatically detected that I was switching devices. I don't remember the details though.

 
 
Posted by shabbs Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

Looks like you were asking for BlackBerry Protect to do far more than it can. Lesson to be learned for sure.

;)

 
 
Posted by Bla1ze Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Because doing things the easy way doesn't test the supposedly more "convenient" ways offered. In either case, both methods are a dreadful experience. BBDM is one of the worst pieces of software out there, pretty much on par with iTunes so any chance to try something else is welcomed.

 
 
Posted by datta72 Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Makes sense. I'm not longer confused. Thanks Guys!

 
 
Posted by shabbs Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

I don't recall RIM every saying to use BlackBerry Protect as a means to switch devices. It's limited to only a few items.

I've used the DM Switch Device wizard a number of times and it has been flawless in migrating all my stuff from one berry to another.

 
 
Posted by maxb1ack Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Contacts are not backed up by BBprotect if you have them synced with your email address.. found that out yesterday with similar scenario as yours... Gmail/Hotmail contact lists returned later once I reactivated the emails... : ) pretty good... I dont want to endup with duplicates of my contacts everywhere..

but the lame part is.. BBM contacts... what the hell RIM? Why do I need to back up my BBM contacts separately? Why BBprotect cant grab those with the rest of my data?

Had an angry twitter post last night about that.

 
 
Posted by 3Dee Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Bad luck Joseph, that sucks. For the record I've recently done two device switches (to a 9900 and a 9860) and both were v smooth using BB Protect, so it can have the desired effect. Enjoy the 9860, agree that it's a really nice phone.

 
 
Posted by elvin1983 Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

The last paragraph is classic. Well written.
I have never actually used the device switch wizard on DM, I simply make a backup of my previous device and load that on the new one. Maybe next time I'll give the wizard a try.

 
 
Posted by Thewaxedworm Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

great article!
ive alway found that some of the joy of getting a new phone is setting everything up, but i know when i bought my new 9810 it took me close to 2 days to get it just right... talk about a pain in the butt. i know im planning on staying with bb for a long time to come (i came back from apple) and i think that bbds is the way to go when my upgrade comes in a few years.

 
 
Posted by psarhj Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

This is something RIM really ought to be able to do. They own much, if not all, of the ecosystem---like Apple, they should be able to do this.

And right now, you can, but it's slightly harder than it should be.

It's a pity, too, since Apple just rolled out a product that does pretty much this and does it flawlessly.

 
 
Posted by guerllamo7 Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

The right tool for the right job.
Use BB DM to do weekly back-up and this will never be a problem. Also, using DM you can just do a device switch and it all works fine. No additional steps and all security maintained.

 
 
Posted by Elric_Edward Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

I did the Blackberry Protect device switch between a 9530 and a 9860 everything went well and all my data was transfered without hiccups...

I wonder why do we blog when things go wrong and not when things go right.....

 
 
Posted by Joseph Holder Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

When things go right, we call it a BlackBerry 101 (which indeed was the article I had planned to write).  :) 

 
 
Posted by ayekon Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

I was under the impression that BBDM was there for device switching and BB Protect was there for lost equipment... Nice article though... Thanks for the heads up =)

Style + Playbook 64gb

 
 
Posted by feldmen01 Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

I recently had to get a swap 9860 after the first one bricked itself, and went through a very similar situation.

I tried restoring my phone through BB Protect, and same as you, I got three or four contacts in my contact list. I decided to try and restore it through Blackberry desktop software, only tom find out that my contact list was shaded out in the list of items available to restore. According to Desktop manager, it was read only and could not be restored.

I ended up inputting every single contact in by hand, which took forever, the only saving grace is I deleted many contacts that were only in there because I never delete a contact once they go in my phone.

Very irritating to say the least!

 
 
Posted by vishalsheth83 Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

On the plus side...with the OS7 devices you can make a backup of all your info onto your memory card, and then pop the memory card into the new phone and restore all your data again. It takes everything that the DM option backsup/restores and it's pretty convenient.

I get that it only works with OS7-OS7 switch, but i mean going forward for you in case you decide to switch to a 9900 or something.

 
 
Posted by Techno-Emigre Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

I feel for you! Who has the time to take forever to move into a new device?

The bad news is, DM is a drag. It has bricked my 9850 twice. Trust is forever broken. I now only use it to sync with Outlook. For software updates I will only use Apploader.

The worst news is ... you and I aren't average users! Honestly ... I love my Berries. But if it wasn't for CB I wouldn't know how to use half of the features and would have ended up flushing my BB over what seemed like unsolvable problems. Noboday can expect complex devices to be as easy as an idevice. However, they had better get a lot more user friendly in order for RIM to survive. I can't even guess how many DAYS of my life have been wasted doodling around with my phones.

What does it mean when my trust is so low that I have to wait to do software updates until I have time to deal with a disaster?

 
 
Posted by robertyhn Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Try to download the apps that you have purchased on your 9800 see if you got the same "purchase service error. (error id 30220)" that i'm getting!

 
 
Posted by fabster Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

The problem restoring contacts is about Contact Lists... For example, I really don't know why but I have 13 contacts in the Default list and 256 contacts in the Unknown list... When I tried to switch device using BBProtect I just got back the 13 contacts from the Default list....
There's an option under Options---> Device ------> Advanced ------> Default services where u can choose wich is the default Contact list for sync.... So choosing unknown list now I'm just losing 13 contacs and restoring 256...
To "move" contacts from one list to another (very important if u'r using vlingo cause u can call only contacts listed in the Default list u choose under Default services) it's a different and hard story... and u need your device, the desktop software and another clean device as listed here...
http://goo.gl/oKP9e

Finally please excuse me for my really bad english.
Fabio - Italy

 
 
Posted by dimm0k Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

I had similar issues with restoring my BBM contacts, which was very weird. I had added a contact in BBM to my first 9930. Switching that for my second 9930, I was not able to restore my contacts so I was forced to restore via an old backup that did not have this new added contact. Figuring that I'll get this contact at a later time I left it out and proceeded to have BBM backup m contacts. Well moving onto my third and current 9930 I went back to restore my BBM contacts thinking it would restore the previous backup with that missing contact, but instead of doing that it restored everything including the missing one. Not sure what happened, but it's because of things like this that I'm skeptical of BBProtect and will only rely on it if that's the last option.

 
 
Posted by EchoTango Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

All this says to me that RIM's "cloud services" are still not fully baked. Apple is touting its "content anywhere" products and this is clearly the direction the market is headed. If RIM wants to be around in the near future, it needs to get stuff like this right.

Think about the day when we no longer have desktops and we all rely on the smartphone/tablet combination to do our work and communications. These devices will be totally dependent on the "cloud" to be materially useful. As RIM discovered with BBX, device data aggregation is one of the complexities and necessary requirements for this market trend.

All that said....thanks Joe for sharing this experience. Let's hope some RIM folks are "listening".

 
 
Posted by bldshd Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Sorry to hear about your trouble with BLACKBERRY protct and BLACKBERRY I'd.. Mine worked flawlessly when I did it.

 
 
Posted by RippleRex Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

Personally, I think that it's pretty reasonable to bring over your settings and ask that you re-enter your password to get your email flowing again. Otherwise, someone could get access to all of your email accounts if they figured out your BBID password. And I really don't think that it's fair to blame RIM because you forgot your own email account passwords. Your passwords, your responsibility.

 
 
Posted by Steven Solomon Friday, Nov 18, 2011 188 days ago

I can't even get to the Blackberry Protect home page, their email sent me an auto-reply and their twitter "help" account never responded to me.

Thankfully all I am trying to do is set this up as a backup. Remote wipe is what I really want.

For contacts, Google Sync has served me best between platforms.

Oh well.

 
 
Posted by drumzalicious Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

Strange it didn't work for you. Worked seamlessly for me when I got my 9930. Also for a friend of mine who switched torches.

 
 
Posted by BB-Bmore Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

I just back up my BBM contacts on my memory card. Its like 33KB off the memory card and it works flawlessly. If you for any reasons forget your email password;it is probably a good idea to use the"text password reset to phone"option that all three email clients I use have.For my contacts I always have a backup done once a week through DM because its a solid choice for contact back-up but I also use a 3rd party app for o.t.a convience. Contacts warrant having a few back ups. I mean I couldn't imagine having to type back in everyone's emails,phone numbers,ringtones,picture,pin etc.Anyway its been smooth for me everytime I've switched but thanks for the article it was ..enlightining.

 
 
Posted by JTWJ Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

I switched carriers and phones, going from a Curve 8350 to a Torch 9860, and also used BlackBerry Protect to back up my data and download it to the new unit. My experience was flawless and seamless. BB Protect did exactly what it was supposed to do. I was so impressed with it that I turned all of my friends that use BlackBerry phones on to it.

 
 
Posted by rapsball4 Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

I had trouble with the BBM contact backup as well the last couple of times I tried it. I did use Protect for everything else not running through my Google account, though, and it worked quickly and easily.

 
 
Posted by 1CrackBerriz Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

Hm, weird one that. I backed up using protect from my 9700 and set up my 9900 ota perfectly fine ._.

 
 
Posted by sillydragon Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

I want to stick up for BBDM: the old version (5 or whatever I had) always did a great job of backing up my device, contacts, email etc. I didn't particularly admire the interface and let v5(or whatever languish on my desktop for far too long). I couldn't image that the upgrade was going to be much better and never thought the upgrade to be worth the time. V6.1.0.35, to which I upgraded on a whim, was a delightful surprise. Much cleaner interface, much more intuitive more media-savvy, etc. I've restored my device several times after trying various updates to OSs', etc. Couldn't be happier with this thing.

And can I please caution everyone: please, please!!! Don't back ANYTHING up to the CLOUD!!!
PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES.

This isn't about conspiracy theories, this is about temptation and about keeping people honest. This isn't about adult sites or anything dirty or whatever. This is about the value of your list of contacts. This is about the value of the experience that YOU have accumulated.

In sales, your customer list is probably your greatest asset. And this is just a phonebook in an phone somewhere. When you put that on a cloud you are creating a huge temptation for people who manage that could. THey want to do the right thing, but then they've got this INCREDIBLY valuable asset (the phonebooks of 1000s of people) sitting right there, staring them in the face. It's only a matter of time (think Ren & Stimpy and the "Jolly Candy-like button").

If your contacts are important to you keep them important to you and KEEP THEM PRIVATE.

Not trying to preach, just trying to present a different side to this argument. Your privacy isn't about "well, if you're not doing wrong, you've got nothing to hide."

This is about, "If you're doing something RIGHT you've got a lot to hide! If you're building a good business, if you're building a list of friends and colleagues who are knowledgeable and helpful that's worth something. Don't go just handing this s**t over to people YOU DON'T KNOW and WILL NEVER MEET."

 
 
Posted by niss63 Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

Even using BBDS, switching phones is not for the faint of heart. I've done the whole jail break thing on a couple of Windows phones, so I felt pretty comfortable switching phones myself, when my 9780 began acting up a week ago.

New phone in hand, I started the process yesterday morning. Really, the switching wasn't that bad. I do have BB Protect, but I didn't bother with it, since I had the desktop backups, as well as all of my calendar and contacts saved in Outlook. After a couple of hours, I was all switched over to the new device and the old device was in the box ready to go back. That's when I attempted to open my first app...

To be fair, most of the apps are fairly user friendly, most simply requiring an email to support to get a new code. Worth mentioning is Vlingo and Buzzoff - they worked flawlessly and no contact to support was required. Unfortunately, a couple of apps don't work and the support is slow - we'll see what happens over the next couple of days (are you listening Timeme?)

The thing that hacked me off was my own stupidity at being such a BB noob. This morning I noticed the new phone needed an OS upgrade, so I upgraded it - and had the joy of verifying email services and all of the apps again.

But it is all done now and is working well. Sorry about your experience. If I truly lost my contacts and/or calendar, I would be devastated.

 
 
Posted by guavaberry Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

I recently used Blackberry Protect to help a friend switch phones with no problems. For me my PIM data (contacts, calendar, tasks and notes) are important. I sync my PIM data to Outlook daily just in case my DM backup or Blackberry Protect backup doesn't restore correctly. I'm not too concerned with apps as I can always download them again.

 
 
Posted by xtremez Friday, Nov 18, 2011 187 days ago

Recently I helped a friend switch his trusty Bold 9000 to the new Bold 9900 via Blackberry Protect. The gap between the two was night and day. OS 4.6 to OS 7.0. He never updated his Bold 9000.

Of course, this is in my opinion not the best way to perform a device switch. My ideal method is to use desktop manager, perform a full backup of all the old device. Then plug in the new device and just restore and wait for completion.

However, he wanted only a few things like his contacts and email accounts working. The other stuff were secondary, so my focus was to get those stuff in. So performed the backup on Blackberry Protect, and it was done. I shut off the old device, took out the sim card.

Fired up the new device with the sim card inside. Once it detected BIS and push Blackberry Protect, I just like proceeded like (when reinstalled a newer version of Blackberry Protect) normal.

Then it asked for him to key-in, his Blackberry ID. (This part is abit blur in my memory) After picking restore, it will show a list of previous backup made with this ID, and just hit restore (or whatever the word is) and wait. If i'm not mistaken, Blackberry Protect also shows the date and size of the file you selected, so you can tell if it's the right one or not. (Not just by file name which can be rather confusing)

Later will need to verify some of the emails and it will start receiving emails and loading up BBM contacts after that. (Though my advice is always make a local backup, i.e. saving on Media Card when it comes to BBM contacts)

I think he has been using the device since that upgrade without complains. So i guess everything is working fine. :)

 
 
Posted by z_scorpio_z Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 187 days ago

I guess you were looking for what you can do with BES? The process is much less painless if you are on BES. Once bes admin updates your pin, you can sync the device ota with all contacts/emails/memo/tasks/calendar (all contacts created on BB are saved in outlook/exchange and vice-versa). As far as I remember, BES also knows the BIS email address tied to the account and it pushed all the BIS accounts automatically as well (or might have to update pin on bis website). BES restores lot of more crazy stuff like bookmarks, browser history, call logs, etc. I think it restored BBM or I might have used the restore inside BBM for that. Did not need to use DM.

 
 
Posted by Mel25 Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 187 days ago

i switched devices twice and i still habent be able to get my emails.

 
 
Posted by joehack Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 187 days ago

BBProtect is typical RIM software product. Not fully thought through, carelessly implemented and not tested. A good management could handle such things. So Mike, when will you give RIM the much needed releave and step down???

 
 
Posted by shupor Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 187 days ago

Protect worked flawlessly for me but maybe because it was between OS6 devices. Perhaps it had something to do with your backup settings on the old device.

 
 
Posted by w1z4rd Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 187 days ago

Nah, it worked flawlessly for me going from a bold 9650 on verizon to a torch 9810 on att, same phone switch for my wife, and a curve with os5 to a torch 9860 for our son. I think a whole lot of rims "problems" lie between the chair and the keyboard...if you catch my drift.

 
 
Posted by hackson Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 186 days ago

I'm on my first BB and I've never switched devices. I used to use Nokia's bluetooth feature to switch phones and although it was slow it worked all the time.

 
 
Posted by Mungoflea89 Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 186 days ago

I did switch from a torch 9800 to a curve 9360 without any problem using only BB Protect. I don't think it's generalized.

 
 
Posted by Taxi2base Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 186 days ago

I made my switch using BlackBerry Protec. Did not work for me. Had to use Google Sync.

 
 
Posted by rav813 Sunday, Nov 20, 2011 185 days ago

BlackBerry ID was the bane of.my existence a few weeks ago. I remember the days when I could swap SIM cards as i travelled across borders without any thought or worry....then they made OS7. I switched providers a few weeks ago...no big deal I thought. It's RIM, it's all good; take one SIM out and put the other in. INCORRECT. As soon as I put the new SIM in my 9900, BBID shows up to login. Unfortunately, I need a data connection for it to verify my login. I can't get a data connection UNTIL i login in and my phone registers itself on the network. Nice endless loop. Solution? Put my old deactivated SIM in the phone, backup, put new SIM in, wipe phone, restore. Conclusion? I miss OS6...so I bought a Curve 9300 to travel with.