Despite recent news, Waterloo community and RIM employees remain confident

RIM Waterloo
By Bla1ze on 29 Jun 2012 01:44 pm EDT

Digging around the internet today there are plenty of headlines proclaiming the death of RIM. Microsoft rumors, Android rumors, network sale rumors. You name it, someone probably wrote about it by now. However, despite all of those headlines and bad outlook there is still plenty of faith in RIM to be found. RIM employees are still proud of where they work, RIM's hometown of Waterloo still has faith in the company and I'm positive it doesn't stop there. As noted in The Record, many folks spoke about the recent job cuts, RIM's future and what it all means to Waterloo:

“We’d certainly prefer not to see the recent job cuts. However, we are still very confident in RIM’s ability to remain a major player in the global hand-held market place,” Accelerator Centre CEO Tim Ellis said in an email.

“My heart goes out to the employees that are going to be affected,We don’t know how many are going to be affected in our community, but it’s significant for people. It’s our friends and our families and our neighbours . . . I think it’s important that we’re supportive." said Waterloo Mayor Brenda Halloran.

“I think there’s a lot of resiliency in the community,” Regional Chair Ken Seiling said. “I’m optimistic that (RIM) will continue in one form or another.”

"All I can say is, I'm going to keep doing this until they tell me to stop." - Alex Kinsella, Senior Public Relations and Social Media Manager, RIM

At this point, there is no denying that RIM has some major hurdles to overcome. That's stating the obvious. I won't even bother pretending I have the solution for them, I'll leave that to the armchair critics. However; I will say that for a company proclaimed dead by the masses they sure seem to have a lot of fight left in them.

Via: The Record

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Despite recent news, Waterloo community and RIM employees remain confident


And I wish Syria would stop murdering it's citizens but both will have to take time if done right.

*** Also, nice post Bla1ze

Will I still wait for BB 10 to be launched? You bet. Why wouldn't I? IMO, BlackBerry produces the most reliable and best smartphones in the business. A few more months of waiting will not bother me in the slightest. All good things come to those who wait.


CarBob- I will be waiting right along side of you! I feel the same way about BlackBerry! I don't even want to consider another platform- if not BlackBerry- it will probably be a dumbphone.

Truthfully, I absolutely love my Bold 9900 and feel confident I can at least get 2 years out of it, thanks to its solid construction. So, yes, I'm bummed at the delay. But I'll survive waiting.

Sorry, but I think this article is pure BS. I live in Waterloo area - everyone is pissed and even die-hard RIM fans lost almost all optimism about RIM making a comeback. The people, like you, that are willing to wait a few more months (1 year total after all the delays) to get a new BB10 phone are few. RIM messed up big time this time.

I agree. I worked at RIM about a year ago before the layoffs started, and even then there were morale problems. The main bonus plan is structured such that you get nothing if the company does poorly, so many people have lost substantial income. And when you consider that you have a 30 percent chance of being laid off soon, I wonder who in their right mind would want to live this way.

I loved working at RIM, but it was really draining having friends and family constantly asking if I was worried about losing my job. It is not a fun place right now.

Well, here is another way of looking at RIM :

Trouble in Paradise !

The Blackberry sect is at the moment going through a devestating period. On the 28th of July the Supreme Guru of the Sect "His Holiness "Thorsten Heins made the announcement that the descent of the long awaited "Messiah" named "Blackberry 10" has been postponed !!!
This statement was made at at a sermon in the movement's hedquarters in Canada! The statement caused a heavy "STORM" among the Blackberry worshippers ! Some wanted to overthrough "His Holiness" accusing him of leading the worshippers on the wrong path. Others , weakened in their faith, expressed their desire to leave "the BB Sect" and join "forbidden" sects like The Apple or Android and take up the worship of " false idols " like the iPhone 4s or Samsung Galaxy SIII .
Just now there is great confusion in the assembly about what to do. Some "die hard Blackberry devotees "( probably employees at the Church) are trying desperately to stop parishioners from leaving and promising them that the "Messiah" will probably descend some time in the 1st quarter of 2013!
We will just have to wait and see what the future brings.
( Perjade reporting from inside the core of the Blackberry cult )

The reality is, for the vast, vast majority of the population, a three month delay in the introduction of BB10 is a significant as what I had for breakfast last week.

Really people? It seems that for many on this site, this delay ranks up there with the Hindenburg disaster (Oh the humanity!), or the day JFK was shot, ect. Many of the Crackberry community are reacting like children that have just been told Christmas has been delayed for a week.

In the grand scheme of things, what is 3 or even 4 months? I and my family have a great phone in the Blackberry. 3 months isn't going to change that.

It's all about perspective....

Unfortunately, you have the wrong perspective. RIM was basically already near life-support but with the delay and operating losses announced, they are basically brain dead.

I don't like saying these things but the reality is that your perspective was pervasive with the previous management and they did not react quickly enough. That lack of urgency has resulted in RIM going from being on top to nothing in a very short period of time.

Unfortunately, the new management seems to have the same perspective as you and previous management.

Totally agree, this company needs to get acquired by an offer to shareholders and let go the entire top management. What an incompetent bunch. Can't say who is more of a loser, the current CEO or previous ones.


What do you think new management will do? Bring out some whips? The Ball and chain? Turn the whole thing into a slave operation? There's a reason behind this delay and although we might not know EXACTLY what it is, I'm sure everyone involved in the decision making process at RIM weighed the pros and cons of this.

May be they should because with current pace, they are not getting any where Or may be they should look deep and hard before making any promises. Any project management delays shows lack of management skills. If stock price goes further down, things may not be in managements hand anymore, someone could come and make a good offer which shareholders can't refuse.

Answer: anytime someone in a position of authority says it. No matter what caveats they issue or how they insist that nothing is definite: if they say it and miss it you can BET that bloggers will start claiming they promised it.

This is especially common in gaming communities, but it happens here as well.

When it is made in whole or part to encourage customers not to purchase something else, or investors to purchase your stock. Then, when it proves not to be true it can be more than a broken promise, it can be fraud. The defense, of course, is that the company was not lying, only unreliable and stupid.


Do you have a blog, twitter feed or any other place I can read your daily rantings? I have thoroughly enjoyed your responses in the series!

You can't in all fairness blame it all on Thor, there is not much they can do in the short term to right the ship-except be bought.

may b they should hire u as CEO and u can turn arround the company wonder boy!
The company is in trouble, the team are dedicated and focused to come out. give them a chance instead of crying like a baby. stupid trolls.

Grand scheme of things...3-4 months of delay...let's see....Iphone 5, Windows 8, other Android devices, newer technology...hundreds of thousands of contracts coming to an end, people's phones dying and needing to upgrade...yeah, that's the grand scheme of things. Oh, but it's nice to know the delay isn't going to affect your family. THat's good to know...


It sucks that it's delayed but I actually thought it was kind of good news... Makes sure we don't end up with a repeat (Storm, PlayBook)

This devise and it's OS is a HUGE change for RIM and the mobile space. People need to calm down or find better ways to rage (try exercise)

Have loved my PB from day one. QNX is compelling. In the real world, my OS6/PB combo outperforms all. Seriously. I do a lot of business travel and the combo is robust, adaptable and efficient. Excellent camera, hdmi, bridge, bbm, etc. Both devices compliment each other beautifully. What one lacks is made up for by the other. Perhaps RIM could sell "super combo" packs.

That said, however, both devices have room for improvement and I was definitely anticipating an October BB10/PB 2.1 release as a turning point. Yes, I'm disappointed but will continue to ride the BB pony for a while yet. I can wait until February.

In this world of instant grattitude, you are a welcome voice in the wilderness. Thank you. At my age the months go by faster than I'd like any more as it is. Next February will be here in a few minutes and in the meantime I'm happy as could be with my 9930. The only reason I want BB10 is so I can potentially have some friends return to BBM and of course so that RIM can succeed long term. Very interesting we are the only (or one of few) country in the world that seems goga over apps and media instead of wanting a device to get work done....

Correct, have the idiots commenting here don't own a blackberry and never did. RIM never gave an official date on anything now its all of a sudden dead/on life support. I hope they hurry up and buy the galaxy 3 or iphone5 its the same comments over and over. Just shows how many Users on this site with a brain the size of a pea.

You are right and the people saying that RIM is on life support are dumb. Last I recall life support was something external keeping you alive. RIM hasn't even started burning its cash (life force) and definitely has no loans takes out (life support) so yeah...

They may have something akin to cancer but I doubt you would go around saying people who have cancer are on life support. The problem is they keep delaying treatment. Lastly we do not know if treatment will be effective. Great analogy except the treatment has a good chance of being effective which is not ALWAYS true for cancer although I'm not sure if that is true because I am not familiar with treatment options and success rates.

Anyways... yeah...

People are simply worried that they are about to lose their personal favorite communication device. Not sure RIM has the minerals to keep what we all love going.

I am going to be one of the last people on earth to part with my Blackberry. I am sure most that post here are the same.

I live here. The waterloo region record always prints this kind of stuff to minimize the hysteria. In reality people are very scared that we will not have RIM around soon...the waterloo mayor is garbage anyway. Carl zehr eats her for breakfast.

Let's be honest here, I just wanted a reason to use Alex's quote lol. It wasn't even part of The Records post.

Yup, these people are higher up and are expected to say good things about RIM. Imagine if you were in their shoes and had the option to diss your employer in the face of 5000 impending layoffs. Yeah, you wouldn't. I mean I still want RIM to succeed but this is twisted just as bad as the anti RIM lies that the media loves.

I'm ready for something new. I might have to do my own device round robin until RIM comes out with the new BB10 phone. I'm starting to feel foolish trying to convice people that Blackberries are a viable option.

The bad news that BB10 is being delayed until next year is A LOT better than any of the rumors that Microsoft or Facebook or whoever else will buy them, or that the phones will run Windows Phone 8 or blah blah blah.

I think the worst part is that we had been led to believe that BB10 was coming later this year. No one had reported any rumors that BB10 was delayed. I kind of feel lied to, but I guess I understand that RIM didn't want to tell us earlier. I mean, imagine RIM telling us in March, "oh, BB10 won't be available for a whole year from now." That wouldn't have been very encouraging for developers.

It really hurts to wait for BB10, just like the wait for the 9900, when it was reported on in like March and didn't come until August. The night before I got it, it was seriously more exciting than the night before Christmas. And while the wait sucks, there's nothing I can do about it, and the only full touchscreen phone I want is the BB10 one. So I'll be waiting.

So LYING to everyone is better?

I don't believe RIM management has ever really intended to develop the BB10 hardware (at least in general sense for mass consumption). I think for a while now they've been trying to get someone else (Samsung) to license the OS and build the hardware.

These "delays" are nothing more than a way to buy time until they actually find a suitor.

Amazing how many get all bent when CEO stating early enough that he isnt confident of a Q4 release and pushes it back. I call it responsible and reasonable. Something went wrong and it was stated. Maybe they will deliver maybe they wont, only history will know.

Rather go back to a feature phone then get one of the other smart phone manufacturers. People are way too connected...

Well it ruins my plan to delay upgrading our company to BB7 with a few select waiting for BB10 in the fall including myself.
Instead I'll just be ordering 50 Bold 9900's to replace a mix of 9700 and 8350i relics. I'm sure the opportunity will come along for me to pass off my 9900 to a new employee for a BB10. :)'s not all bad, those 9900's are great phones... I would own one instead of my 9860 (also a great device) but the eyes aren't what they used to

BlackBerry Torch 9860
BlackBerry PlayBook O/S 2.xx.xxxx

RIM :'(
The share was today was a dramatic drop!! I hope they get everything together and still be in the mobile market. As a student of uWaterloo and to have RIM right beside the campus, it is sad to hear the news. Nevertheless, I'm still going to support them.

Shocker to find you out here again. Don't you get tired of trolling? Does is get your panties wet sitting on CrackBerry rubbing everyones' nose in the mess that RIM is in? Well, congrats bro. Your mother should be proud of the person you've become...a total douchebag.

Do you have a blog, twitter feed or any other place I can read your daily rantings? I have thoroughly enjoyed your responses in the series!

Hey, folks, three months is nothing. Why, it was three months ago today that the promised PlayBook keyboard shipped, and now anybody who wants one . . . oops, bad example. Yes, all is well in Waterloo, where reality has not taken a holiday but instead up and moved away entirely.


I want RIM to succeed but you are so right. Reality has taken a permanent vacation. While all my friends and co-workers have moved on to either the iPhone or Android, I have stuck to the blackberry waiting and waiting. And it is NOT a three-month wait, it is much longer. I will be moving on to the iPhone 5 in October and, when - and if - the BB 10 comes out I might come back. If only Android could adopt/buy the BBM. Well it's only a dream....

I like BlackBerry, too, and would like to see them part from tradition and do the things necessary to succeed. I have used BlackBerry products for nearly a decade. But I would already be gone but for the $99 phone I got from Virgin Mobile which gives me unlimited data and 400 minutes for $35/month, no contract, and which bridges nicely to my PlayBook. (They don't offer the BB anymore, sorry, unless you happen to find one at a low-traffic Radio Shack.)

That having been said -- look at the PlayBook case-keyboard, "released" March 29, with a handful of actual product dribbled out since. This is a high markup item for which there is apparently substantial demand. Compared to a smartphone, it is also easy to produce. A company interested in staying in business would jump to meet that demand. But not RIM, oblivious to reality as always. RIM displays every behavior of a doomed company and *no* evidence of the slightest plan to avert the now-certain disaster.


Dude...let it go already!! Nothing like continuing to be a whiney a_s b_tch about a f_cking keyboard. There are bigger things in life to worry about...

+1 He promised to stop once he got his keyboard. Looks like he is no better than the liars he complains about. Chucking stones from his glass house for sure.

And once I get my keyboard I shall stop posting here. This presupposes that there is a here at that time, which seems decreasingly likely.

Thanks for asking, though. Do you help the other fellow watch little boys play with their sticks or do you merely suck up to that sorry semiliterate fellow online only?


"However; I will say that for a company proclaimed dead by the masses they sure seem to have a lot of fight left in them." Those are mourners that have life in them. RIM is that thing in the box in the hole.


It's great that some of the employees and members of the surrounding community are supportive and somewhat optimistic, but that doesn't really mean anything. Their optimism will not stop the inevitable.

Also, I wouldn't say the comment by RIM's social media manager is exactly optimistic. He's just saying he'll keep working until he loses his job.

They said "late 2012", nothing specific.
Now it's first quarter 2013.
Big deal.
Thor is being brutally honest.
This is not a new OS.
This is new "everything ".
Dan Dodge is Chief Software Designer.
He'll know when it is ready.
His track record speaks for itself.
This is not about being ready for the X-mas rush
This is about being ready for the 10 years after that.
Prem Watsa said "3-5 years ", for a complete turnaround.
I believe they are ready and able to follow through on that.
Perhaps you've been disappointed in the past...
This is not the past.
This is the future...

Ok, now go tell that to those 5K souls that are about to lose their jobs (not to mention to the hundreds or thousands that have lost while investing their hard earn money on $RIMM)

But don't worry... This is the future...

Okay. And I'll tell it to the thousands more who get to keep their jobs and the thousands who will be hired in the future, and the shareholders who make out like bandits when (not if) it all turns around.
But you would just pull the plug and burn everybody?
I'll see you in the future.
Mine's better.

"not to mention to the hundreds or thousands that have lost while investing their hard earn money on $RIMM" That's a risk they knew they were taking. Anyone who goes into the market thinking it's risk free is an idiot

Shocker to find you out here again. Don't you get tired of trolling? Does is get your panties wet sitting on CrackBerry rubbing everyones' nose in the mess that RIM is in? Well, congrats bro. Your mother should be proud of the person you've become...a total douchebag.

And you are hallucinating, just like the management or may be you are representing them. In reality, three months is a lot in mobile space. It's not just about die hard BB fans, those people who move to other OSs, may never come back. Also, it's about trusting the management. Last quarter, they said fall. Now they are saying first quarter of 2013. What's guarantee that they will not push the release date of BB10 further. IMO, once they make a promise, they should deliver on that promise. They could have curtailed some of the features but still deliver the phone on time. No phone is perfect but they need to come up with a phone closing the gap with their competition as soon as they can. And KEEP YOUR PROMISE, BECAUSE ONCE TRUST IS LOST EVERYTHING IS LOST.

This management sucks. Fire them all yesterday.

That's the same thing. Then why even say anything. If they are not sure about anything then they should just keep quite because now the company is getting hammered not just because they can't deliver on time but also because no one is trusting them. First Quarter, 2013 is also projected date, that's no guarantee either. I will stick to opinion, management is lazy and incompetent and are also bunch of liars.

Look at it this way, Heins and management got the deal of a lifetime with their 3.2 million shares of RIM!! They have more incentive than all of us to do the right thing once those shares are priced in on July 10th 2012!! Don't you wish you were them? If you could get your hands on 3.2 million shares down here, wouldn't you want the company to succeed? Of course, you have to hand it to them! Bad news and all, their timing is perfect!!! Who says they can't deliver!

(I'm a little ticked off ............)

The Company and its leadership are brain-dead. Maybe it's time to pull the plug and let them go softly into the night?

Troll much loser? If you are so f_cking smart, why aren't you the CEO, COO, or CFO? My guess is you are some lowly IT dipsh_t that thinks he knows it all.

No doubt.. most of the people bashing RIM out here probably can barely balance their checkbook, much less run a multinational, multibillion dollar corporation... yet, they THINK they have ALL THE ANSWERS.

Karma's a bitch dude.. You'll get yours. Hopefully soon you find yourself unemployed as well. Please let me know so I can proceed to laugh, point my finger at you, and rub your nose in it... F_CKING LOSER!!

None of the above quotes have anything to do with reality. All of the people qutoed have a vested or financial interest in trying to minimize the impact of the BB10 delay. Not one of the them is one of the laid off people. The people being quoted are a Mayor, a CEO, a Regional Chair, and the Senior PR and Social Media Manager at RIM. Did you think any one of them would say that the future is bleak or that RIM is on it way down?

RIM is not Palm. RIM is Nortel.


Yes, it is. And it closed today -- a day of record gains in the broader market -- at $7.39 per share.


The bigger picture is that RIM is dying, by suicide, just as fast as it can. Here is the conference call in a different context:

    A customer enters a pet shop.

     Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

     (The owner does not respond.)

     Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?

     Owner: What do you mean "miss"?

     Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

     Owner: We're closin' for lunch.

     Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

     Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?

     Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

     Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

     Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

     Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

     Mr. Praline: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

     Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!

     Mr. Praline: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Polly Parrot! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if you

     (owner hits the cage)

     Owner: There, he moved!

     Mr. Praline: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage!

     Owner: I never!!

     Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!

     Owner: I never, never did anything...

     Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

     (Takes parrot out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

     Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead parrot.

     Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!

     Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!?

     Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Norwegian Blues stun easily, major.

     Mr. Praline: look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour
     ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.

     Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords.

     Mr. Praline: PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?

     Owner: The Norwegian Blue prefers keepin' on it's back! Remarkable bird, id'nit, squire? Lovely plumage!

     Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the
     first place was that it had been NAILED there.


     Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that bird down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and
     VOOM! Feeweeweewee!

     Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!

     Owner: No no! 'E's pining!

     Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
     rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the
     bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!


This just in: BlackBerry fanboi claims ability to count to 20, fails "Monty Python" recognition test.


This just in: Douchey RIM troll spends all day b_tching about a f_cking bluetooth keyboard and leaving a novel for a pointless comment that put me to sleep after the first 5 sentences. The special needs kid down the street is more exciting to listen to than that sh_t you posted about. Now go grab a tissue and play with the bluetooth keyboard you keep incessantly b_tching about.

First of all it was a copy and past from some online source. Secondly it is actually a funny skit. Third, a total A-hole can give me something I want and I wouldn't take it because of the A-hole delivering it. Lastly...

Do you have a blog, twitter feed or any other place I can read your daily rantings? I have thoroughly enjoyed your responses in the series!

Yup except bb10 or bbx was promised 1st quarter then got delayed till q3 because of lte chips or something like that. Pretty tough to have confidence in this company that fails to meet deadlines. Playbook was already delayed if anybody forgotten and look how that launched.

Once I hear from the Rank-In-File about their confidence I'll believe it. If it's from "White Shirts" then I'm skeptical since at times they tell you what you want to hear. Front line staff, if given the opportunity and anonymity, will tell you straight up what's going on. I'm fairly certain a majority of the people who have already been laid off or the 5,000 who are about to be laid off aren't quite so positive.

I have been loyal and will remain so. But there's no way to make this latest setback sound like an achievement. Pushing the release out a quarter adds another disastrous earning call, and another round of hugely critical press which, however you view it, doesn't help sell units. It's not cool to appear to be on the brink of collapse. I can hang tough with what I have but I will see another round of new releases from Apple and now Windows, probably before RIM even has an official release date. I have a relatively small number of people running Blackberry. If RIM were other than elephantine in getting its stuff to market, I would have ten times that number using their devices. I can not, in good conscience, rely on my sense of personal loyalty and commit others and the place I work to RIM while it remains in such a high-risk and precarious condition. It's even going to be an increasingly tough call to hold off until the releases and then make a decision. As much loyalty as I have, I also have to now have a real contingency in place. On an individual basis, its not a big deal -- you can switch phones and platforms in minutes. But when you use those things in business, you invest more than a few minutes and slight resources.

And it's pouring salt in the wounds to have been treated, as a run-up, to this cratering earnings call, to a series of intriguing leaks about BB10. RIM still hasn't learned how to manage expectations and the press, and let's be honest, they haven't gotten faster-to-market. Of course, they need to get it right instead of now. But they have to be really RIGHT this time, because now is so far off. RIGHT this time and RIGHT and QUICK next time.

But I'm not jumping ship. My blood still stirs when I read that, since the first release is pushed back, the qwerty release of BB10 will now follow soon after, which should make no sense to me, but I can't help it!

This all makes me so angry to see such a great company inflict this on themselves. As far as I am concerned YES RIM have made a huge mistake by announcing the delay of the BB10 devices. The response from the stockmarket and your long term fans like myself goes to show that the support will only last for so long.

Please, please, please do us all a favour and produce the best damn device ever. Commit all resources to it now and hit that October release that you promised with all of the bells and whistles thrown in and do it well like we know you can. If ever I wanted a company to turn things around and be at the top of their game once more it's RIM so go and do it every last one of you and be tech leaders not followers. BE BRAVE, BE BOLD.

Job done.

The huge mistake was in announcing BB10 at all until they actually had a handle on it. When Apple launches a product they say it will be available Friday. RIM not only has epically failed at identifying the day, they cannot even reliably specify the year. Over and over.


What a bunch of f_cking armchair quarterbacks out here. You f_cking idiots think you can do better, all you troll morons get together and start up your own f_cking phone company. I can see the talent pool.. a janitor, a fry cook, an IT guy that doesn't speak a lick of english and an unemployed "author". Guess which one you are? I give you 5 chances to get the right answer.



Yeah, stocks understandably got pummeled after that announcement. Well, I wish RIM the best of luck, to say that was a bit of a disappointment is an understatement. I'll cheer them on and will certainly support them when the new BB 10 phones come out. Wish all those who lost their jobs find quick re-employment.

Certains à Waterloo doivent lire le français, alors j'aimerai qu'ils disent à leurs collègues et amis que même chez les cousins d'outre-atlantique, on ne peut qu'espérer qu'un nombre important d'entre-eux retrouve rapidement une situation sereine.
Ici aussi, on pense a vous et on fait de notre mieux pour vous soutenir.

Paris, France.

Merci pour ton intérêt et ton support. Les américains oublient souvent que RIM et BlackBerry sont très biens aimés ailleurs.

Some of you in Waterloo may read French, I'd ask them to tell their colleagues and friends that their overseas' "cousins" whish they can promptly find a serene position/situation.
Here too, we think of you and we do our best to support.
Hang on.

Sorry, I believed a significant portion where able to read French and didn't mean to make publicity with this post.

P.S: merci à ceux qui ont répondu dans la langue de Molière.

Paris, France.

Shouldn't that headline read, Despite recent news, the Waterloo community and the few remaining RIM employees aren't admitting they're shitting their pants.

Good article. Nice to hear people in the community showing some sincere concern and optimism. Can't say the same for some of the crybabys who are whining about the delay in BB10, worse than a 4 year old being told they won't get toys at Christmas.

It's one thing to be disappointed with RIM's performance and the delay, but all these fanatical comments bashing RIM are something else entirely.

Regarding the folks who consistently bash and troll RIM, especially the ones who are Canadian citizens. When you are that obsessed about making multiple posts on multiple forums, feeling great joy in people losing their jobs and the company going under, then it's a very good sign you are sick in the head and need help.

You need a reality check. If it was only about 4 year olds, things could be bit different. Unfortunately, RIM is behaving like a public sector company when in fact it's competing in the most dynamic mobile environment. May be that's what happens in a country where most people work for public sector companies.

I might and almost 100% sure can do a better jobs than the current management. In fact, I think you can do a better job too unless you are already part of it.

Sadly, this blog is starting to become symbolic with RIM.

Out of touch to what is really going on.

I know it's your job, and you're about to be really sad to see the company you report get canned, which means you guys will be looking for work.

Take the hint of Kevin, start to tour your other options incase the need new editors.

At some point these confident RIM employees will find themselves standing on the deck of the modern day Titanic.

Thor and his group of cronies need to go out in the woods and drop hits of lsd and figure out a way to reinvent themselves. Worked for Steve Jobs.


Optimism is a powerful thing. Have a great long weekend then back to work on Tuesday. There are many who still believe in what you are doing.

I'm not surprised. RIM still has the money to support their losses. I'm glad thor honestly said and made it clear of the delay of BB10. It is a good move despite all of these. He wnts to make sure, we will get a full good and competative devices. RIM is in the process of transitions. And transitions, sometimes takes times. I feel bad for RIM, but @ the same time I feel good & relieved. BB10 will deliver it, I still think its worth the wait..

You realize how fast that cash will burn with an unprofitable company the size as RIM starts using it up.

They can maybe make it to the end of next year.

I'm not sure why you guys think bb10 is going to be some savior of rim, or they're going to have some hardware break through. What indications do you have that the market has room for 3 major phone OSes? What are you going on that RIM will be able to launch new hardware that competes with the likes of top end androids and the iPhone.

Android has made the phone space as much about specs and numbers, as the PC is in to benchmarking.

What has RIM's marketing department shown themselves capable of in the last 18 months (a lifetime in this industry). Did you answer absolutely nothing... you are correct.


Ask Nokia how they're doing, and while RIM is on its way out, wave hello to Palm and WebOS for us please.

BB10 is already behind and with this delay, the race is almost lost. I know that lot of people here say that BB10 is going to be awesome etc. but I think that's not enough. IMO, playbook is awesome, even better than IPAD but I was shocked to see that they only sold 250,000 units in the quarter reported. That is a joke in comparison to Ipad. I am not sure what's going on at RIMM but they sure suck in executing stuff. There is no buzz for playbook. This is an awesome product. Why no one knows about it? I made atleast 3-4 people buy this product. There is nothing like it in the market. IMO, even latest Google tablet is not as good as playbook. At this point it seems BB fans are more passionate about the products than this impotent management. BUNCH OF LOSERS. Sorry guys for losing it but I don't have words to describe this incompetent management. If they had any morals left, they would be working for free until the turnaround. They can learn something from steve jobs.

Only thing that bugs me more than trolls is fanboys. (We have two 9900's & a PB.)

BB10 is mythware. It doesn't work and will never launch.

RIM gone by end-Q1. Or worse - Windows 8/Android.

Hey everyone...I claim to have two 9900s and a PlayBook so I can talk sh_t about RIM. I say trolls bug me...yet I'm trolling pretty hard with my statement above.

Signed rfkuehn

I have worked at a company where there were lots of layoffs - it's tuff but it also motivated me to work harder as I didn't want to be in the next round of layoffs if there was another. I also wanted the company to do better. I hope RIM employees feel the same way.

RIP RIM...called it from day ONE. Its time to sell and bow down to Apple/Android.

HTC_droid_evo banned for speaking the truth, came back and now I can see what I said some true.


Crackberry writers please stop drinking the RIM coolaid! You guys are the ONLY ones that have their eyes clsd. All we want from CB is honest reporting. Not just some wishful thinking.

mnhockeycoach99 -

Hysterical posts like yours only add to the sense of denial & desparation by the fanboys.

I was at BBWC (as a fan) and can comment on Thorsten's change of tone between that event and yesterday's call. We're you in Orlando, or perhaps serving as target practice for errant hockey pucks on an ice rink? With that demonstration of such acute intellectual skills, you probably took too many head shots. You'd actually fit right in as an iDrone.

Sad to say, they're done.

Your posts are riddled with intellect. You f_cking ooooze intellect out of your pores. /end sarcasm. You have no idea what my intellectual level is or what degrees I hold so I suggest you shut your pie hole.

Now on to the facts..why is it that 1. You and all of the other trolls on this site think CrackBerry readers are oblivious to what is going on at RIM? 2. Even if we are in "denial", who appointed you and your troll butt buddies to the council of truth? 3. You think we honestly give a sh_t what you say? Personally, I could care less what knobs like you think of RIM and the so called RIM products you own. My 9900 works FABULOUS and will last for the next 1 1/2 years... Plenty of time to pick up a BOLD B10 while you are busy unwedging that iToy for your rectum. Now move along troll.

Not sure who you are trying to fool here, most of the people I know that are working at RIM are under a lot of stress and are extremely worried about their jobs and the company they work for. Not to mention the unrealistic expectations they are being put under.

Confidence is very low, morale is even lower.

I can't wait for BB10. I don't like Apple's consumer dictatorship style and I don't like Google raping my uniqueness and I love RIM. So the platform decision is easy for me. And I am torn between Qwerty or all touch so I may have waited to see the qwerty in 2013 anyways

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RIM should strike a deal with Microsoft. Make some Windows phones with the wonderful RIM QWERTY that we know and love, Continue development on BB10. When BB10 is finally complete, it can release it as well as a shiny new Windows Phone 12 model.

I worked at telus for a long time, during that time i lost my position with the company when the shares dropped down to six dollars. Now look at telus, unstoppable.

I went to school, then went directly back to telus for another tech job, because i knew the entire time how successful they were going to be regardless of the "transition" they went through.

Loss of jobs sucks, hope for the best.

RIM will make it. I love the this playbook and bb7.1 9810, like - what the hell? Lmao, peace, i'm busy mixing beats using pacemaker, haha


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Here's something that may make us feel better...

Which company lost money in all of 1994, 95, 96, and 97, with their stock hitting a 12-year low of $4 in Q1 of '97, while they reported a $708 million loss?

Answer....Apple Computer Inc.

Keep hope alive!

Matter fact, that same "senior analyst" guy who's name i have forgotten - who suggested everybody buy apple shares in 1997, also suggested people buy

Shares this year or 2013, hmmmm, interesting


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The delay is unfortunate but you can't put the entire blame on the new RIM management team and Heins, since they stepped up to the plate only a short while ago (not years ago). BB10 was already late coming and there is very little they can do to speed up an already late train.

However, it was truly surprising that Heins withheld the fact that BB10 production will not be achieved this year. I'm sure he realized that this outcome will hurt BB quite a bit. But his decision to delay BB10 is actually the correct decision, I believe. They learned what happened with the release of an incomplete PB, and to not repeat such a disasterous event again. A delay will certainly hurt but not as much as releasing an incomplete system. Moreover, his decision to delay the release of BB10 means that RIM is determined to release a worthwhile product this time around and not half a$$ like they did with PB.

As for all this talk about "new" iPhone5, Android, and Windows 8 Phone coming this fall, I will reserve judgement until I see what truly comes this fall. Will it truly be innovative and new as many claim these releases will be or will there only be incremental improvements as Apple had so far unveiled at their conference.

This is why devs hate to code for the blackberry platform to much critizism. All these comments with nothing constructive to say towards the company everything is negative.

Where to begin...

1) Q1 earnings report...the financial update was not material for 2 reasons: 1) The market already knew RIM was going to report negative earnings reflected in the stock price of roughly 2/3 of book value. This was foretold by Thor back in May; yesterday's news. 2) The company has a spotless balance sheet. You can afford to stumble, a lot, when you have $0 debt and cash of $2.2 billion. Enough said, get over it.

2) BB10 delay...this was simply devastating and there's no denying that. It will not impact the long-term success of the company (more on that below), but it was exactly what the media and Wall Street did not need to hear. The company will now have to endure months of being crucified by uninformed reporters and excel monkeys whose forward projections rarely look any different than hockey sticks, and even more rarely are accurate in hindsight. It also deeply saddened me that I will now have to use my S II for 3 more months (more on that below).

3) Looking forward...RIM will stagnate in the coming quarters as it is largely relegated to selling its devices to developing countries, which interestingly enough, swear by BB. The traction of BB around the globe is quite impressive and will help RIM continue to expand its 78 million subscription base helping to buoy the company during this bridge period. The media will continue to pump article after article outlining RIM's decline and ultimate slow death, making it as dramatic as possible in true naive reporting narrative. Mean while, reports of Apple's dominance will be forced down the throats of the muppet American consumers. On the topic of Apple, and not to over-promote banking analyst's opinions, Jefferies was recently the latest to publicly criticize Siri for, well, its uselessness. Apple has already been sued for false advertising with respect to Siri's ability to accurately interpret and answer questions.

4) Misunderstanding the smart phone market...evidently the majority of the 7 billion people on the planet currently do not own smart phones. I think this would imply we are no where near maturity or saturation. Yet one theme I continue to read and hear is the number of users who will be rolling over their contracts in the next 2-6 months that BB10 will miss forever - as if the smart phone market is a fixed, finite user base. Are Apple, Samsung, and Blackberry really fighting for a percentage of a fixed pie? Or more logically, is that pie going to grow exponentially over the next 5-10 years? Oh yeah, and the growing trend of Americans carrying 2 or more devices actually puts our saturation rate at something greater than 100%.

5) Fickle and forgetful market...oh how quickly the market forgets, or selectively remembers. Since everybody seems to have an acute knowledge of Apple's current brilliance I thought it might be useful to rewind all the way back to...1994. Most banking analysts won't/can't remember this time period, but it wasn't a kind year to the mighty AAPL. As I recall, the company was printing negative operating income, negative FCF, had about $900 million of debt, and a share price trading under $5. At that time, banking analysts and the media alike were calling for the inevitable chapter 11 filing. We all know how the story ends (I have to give credit where credit is due), but I just mention it to offer a bit of perspective to those seriously doubting a RIM-revival.

6) Closing thoughts...this is where I admit that, like many of you, I ditched my BB Tour a year ago to pick up the Galaxy S II. I simply got tired of a phone that didn't double as a computer while Samsung and Apple had offerings that could. I've always despised Apple for making every necessary part to its products completely proprietary (power cords, for example) while the rest of the market adopted a more open source style of hardware (micro USB, for example). Staying true to my anti-Apple MO, I jumped on the S II and have loved it ever since, but do tire of the glitchy OS. I still have a company-issued BB Bold for work though and love being able to crank out reply emails as fast as I receive them (it makes me miss BBM). But the point is, BB10 promises to not only put BB back on a level playing field with the big boys, but appears to be the platform to surpass them. The carriers and developers echo this sentiment and are chomping at the bit to see a phone dethrone the iPhone. And whenever BB10 finally makes it to market I will willingly say goodbye to the S II for the opportunity to get back on an award winning OS with market-leading capabilities, including the ability to double as a computer. And I am the statistic that analysts either can't or refuse to acknowledge: The vast number of BB devotees that will migrate back to their roots just as soon as RIM gives them a reason to. And so, provided that you have a long enough time horizon (and don't have to worry about redemptions) RIM may prove to be, in hindsight, one of the greatest value plays as value investing knows it. If the market wants to continue to value the company at something far less than its tangible book value I will continue to gladly snatch those shares up.


Last summer I heard all the BS about the new OS for BlackBerry. I was ending my torture chamber contract with Verizon and the total POS Storm 2 I was tricked into buying by BLACKBERRY'S propaganda. I finally got fed up waiting for a BlackBerry that was on iPhone's level of perfection and decided waiting for Q1 2012 (lmfao) for the new BB. What a joke. Thank GOD I went Apple. It's the most amazing piece of hardware ever put into a phone. I get emails instantly. Skype is flawless. All my sports apps are fantastic and speedy. My text messages never freeze my phone. If I do need to reboot for whatever reason, I'm back to square 1 in less than 35 seconds. BlackBerry is SO behind they have no chance to recover the people they lost. They'e done!

It is more than extremely important that RIM does something. Delaying their long awaited Blackberry 10 was a huge mistake. This only enforced more insecurity about the future of the company. Delaying the model 10 until 2013 will make them lose their sales revenue for the holiday season. They will lose more users to other phone manufactures.

Making another large layoff is a bad sign for public relations and demonstrating security in their operations. If people are insecure about the future existence of a phone manufacture they will be reluctant to purchase that product. Support for these types if devices is very important.

Blackberry makes an excellent phone that is very secure and works very well for what it was designed to do. I am going to wait to have the new 10.

Jerry G.

These articles are now just propaganda fueling a smear campaign geared towards keeping customers optimistic so they continue to visit this site buying from the crackberry store. RIP RIM. I will buy your product from whoever you license it too.

Well, yeah. This IS a fan site after all. I don't understand what you were expecting. If everyone gave up when times got tough, life would be a lot more boring.

kevin, chris, blaize or any crackberries, please confirm if this rumor is true or false. google's design chief matias duarte said he want to make android qwerty smartphone based on RIM's bb. if it's true, what's his real intention other than what he said? so android can take away bb's qwerty market share and really put RIM out of bussiness? or force RIM only to do software?

Apologies but these kind of news (from a corner newspaper, by the way) will not change the reality.
I am now eagerly waiting for the news about a RIM takeover.

voicing opinion from and actually makes sense. they are infact running a poll:

Why not launch a phone with playbook 2.1 software running like on the Dev alpha whch can be upgraded to BB10 anyway, just like the playbook. the average consumer, who is not a fan boy, will have some thing to play arround till Bb10 hits the market.

This is funny "In April 2011, Jim Balsillie actually predicted the demise of RIM, in a roundabout way. His comment about companies switching platforms getting ready to die would now apply to...RIM. "No other technology company other than Apple has successfully transitioned their platform. It's almost never done, and it's way harder than you realize. This transition is where tech companies go to die."-Jim Balsillie, April 2011."

I have been, and will remain a loyal BB user since buying the flawed Storm 1 at launch. But it seems to me that RIM have made every mistake in the marketing book, including:

a) Too many models
b) Confusing model names and nomenclature; Lesson One, don't give two fundamentally different form factors the same name (Torch); Lesson Two -NOBODY REMEMBERS NUMBERS. I haven't a clue what the difference is between a 9900, 9930, 9860, etc..... and I'm a BB fan. How the hell is the general public going to know -or care? There are more Bolds, Curves and Torches than I've had hot dinners. But only ONE iPhone. And the Style? What's that all about then? As for the all-touch Torch, that appears to have died a death in the UK and it's barely been out a year.
c) Lack of a uniform sales message. Over here in the UK, I saw an ad at the cinema along the lines of "Some people do, others don't". Do what FFS? Only at the very last screen do we see the word Blackberry. Meanwhile the audience is sitting there thinking "what is this all about then? What brand am I watching?"
d) Too many faults and glitches in the phones, and slowness in rolling out updates to fix them. I hardly need remind you of the Storm 1 debacle; one fault is fixed, only for another to appear. OK, so the carriers appear to have had RIM over a barrel in rolling out updates, but why couldn't they update the OS remotely the same as the Playbook?

Amazingly, I still have my Storm 1. I've weathered the storm and I'm firmly in the BB camp now, for better or worse, and I love my Playbook. I've found all sorts of ways that my Blackberrys enhance my social and working life. With QNX/BB10 there is a lot of exciting stuff to look forward to. I don't want to have to decamp to a completely new Apple or Android ecosystem and start all over again. But if after another year BB haven't come out with some stunning new and RELIABLE BB10 models I will have to jump ship and join the rest of the world in what are clearly becoming the new de-facto smartphone standards, Android and iPhone.

It appears a lot of comments have been removed. I went to bed with close to 200 posts in this thread and now mine makes 157. What gives? Too many people moaning and complaining? That's the nature of the beast but damn sure doesn't call for censorship.


You (like all of us), got bambozzled, snookered, and dazzled by Waterloo. Thor has flopped by missing his deadline. R&D is still stuck in the 1990s.

Its pretty sobering to know that we are witnessing the Death Rattle of RIM as we know it today. No sugarcoating, no bs, just simple a Death Rattle.

To think they had to a chance to save themselves.

Actually Mr Heins is doing a pretty good job all things considered.

RIM continued to expand its workforce rapidly, even though they were suffering competitive pressure and revenues were leveling off. A huge mistake and very sad for those folk that invested their careers in RIM.

The previous CEO's had no idea how to run a company in a competitive environment and squandered money on huge office buildings and apparently pointless corporate acquisitions.

Heins is cutting back to manageable levels, and making sure everything is right before launching BB10.

Delaying BB10 a few months may be tough, but it would be a lot worse if they launched the device with half baked software. Many of you whining about the delayed launch would be on here threating to move to iPhone or Android because it didn't work.

I need a device with a keyboard, decent communications, good messaging, and internet access. My 9900 is great and I'll probably upgrade to BB10 when it's launched. If I want to play games I'll buy myself another device, but I'd probably still carry the BB because it's still the best text and voice based communication device there is.

And to add insult to injury some websites are reporting BBM is down. Can this get any worse? It seems like a sabotage.

Engadget - owned by an ex Google employee I believe.

Not like them to try and further knock RIM when its down eh?

if bb10 phones don't come with a front camera for facetime via wifi
then you RIM have failed me.

the 9800 should have been the 9810 with a front facetime camera...

and RIM stop making so many phones,cause noone is buying them...

Regardless of what happens to Rim, I will be sticking with them ALL THE WAY. Ever since I switched to blackberry yrs ago I will never go back. I have used all forms of tech for the past 25 yrs and traveled overseas extensively over the yrs. I think the combination between my 9900 and playbook is one of the best innovative to come out in yrs. That alone shows that Rim has the capacity to look outside the box. We forget that amidst the turmoil of what's been happening to Rim lately. I am only a user and don't pretend to know precisely what is truly going on inside Rim. It was only when I switched yrs ago to blackberry did I begin to know this company. I'm a Canadian and despite what's been going on im always going to use blackberry.

Even if, Go forbids, that this company dissolves my 9900 and playbook will always going with me everywhere. The combination really defines truly what mobility is. And this is why is makes absolutely no sense to me why this company is continually bashed by the general public and the media. I fully understand the mobile industry is very competitive and that is necessary to drive innovation but what's been happening lately to Rim goes beyond reason. I understand the annoyance with these delays and continual letdowns, but why such strong hatred. I also have shares albeit a small one, but this whole ugly mess that's Rim is in makes almost no sense. Apple and Google are behemoth compared to Rim. It's a classic David and Golithe situation. This whole mess smells of a modern day lynching.

I hope Rim survives, and I know they will, because despite what the negatives say Rim must survive. Not because I have stake in it but because their are those all over the globe that depend on this unique device. I have used all forms of communication devices in different parts of the world and I can tell you confidently that Rim and it's infrastructure is truly unique. My only regret is that I never used it in yrs past. There was only 2 major mistakes Rim really did to put itself in this present position. It's arrogance to ignore and dismiss Apple. Secondly, to change the primary focus of the blackberry into a multimedia device as a primary function instead of making it secondary. It's all moot now cus they now have to climb out of the hole they dug for themselves. By trying to satisfy both they are now being lynched at both ends ends.

I believe qnx is their holy grail but it's also their acheilles heel. They have to put a square block into a round hole, and I suspect that's how they created this unique combination between blackberry and playbook. And I also believe it's this unique combination that has got the attention of some major players. And I also believe it's they who are influential and instrumental in devaluing Rim. Factor all this in and combine it with the declining world economy, and we got Rim's neck in a tight noose. Rim cannot be allowed to dissolve or break apart and be sold off for parts for short term gains. There are too many people around the world especially in third world countries depend on this unique device.


Just traded in my 7 month old 9360 for £103.. paid £142 cash and picked up a 9810. Now I got a new phone so I'm content to wait for BB10 now.

Loving this 9810 by the way.. can't beat touch + physical keys + autofocus camera. Best of both worlds no doubt!

This is really interesting, the BB faithful say release it now, then when it is pushed back another quarter they say better to release a fully ready product, I'll wait. Come on you can't have it both ways. BTW, when a CEO announces that a product is being targeted for Q4 of 2012, spin it any way you like that is a promise. Thor is in a bad situation, he inherited a mess and cannot be blamed totally for this.

Some say that people are crying about the delay that there should be patience, well one year past the original target date is patient. People are coming to the end of contracts, have been saving money, and been defending RIM all for oh wait now it looks like Q1 of 2013 (maybe?) People have a right to be angry and want to leave. The other players rarely have delays and never a year. Sorry, this is a highly competitive market with new updated products rolling out yearly or quarterly and delays will kill the consumer end. I love my Blackberry's but if I wait until Q1 of 2013 I loose my last annual update, so RIM has lost one of my phones.

BTW, in house we have 2- 9930's, 1- 9810, 1- 9850 and a PB, plus in the past an 8830, 9670, and 9800 so yes we have been and are BlackBerry users

Trouble in Paradise !

The Blackberry sect is at the moment going through a devestating period. On the 28th of July the Supreme Guru of the Sect "His Holiness "Thorsten Heins made the announcement that the descent of the long awaited "Messiah" named "Blackberry 10" has been postponed !!!
This statement was made at at a sermon in the movement's hedquarters in Canada! The statement caused a heavy "STORM" among the Blackberry worshippers ! Some wanted to overthrough "His Holiness" accusing him of leading the worshippers on the wrong path. Others , weakened in their faith, expressed their desire to leave "the BB Sect" and join "forbidden" sects like The Apple or Android and take up the worship of " false idols " like the iPhone 4s or Samsung Galaxy SIII .
Just now there is great confusion in the assembly about what to do. Some "die hard Blackberry devotees "( probably employees at the Church) are trying desperately to stop parishioners from leaving and promising them that the "Messiah" will probably descend some time in the 1st quarter of 2013!
We will just have to wait and see what the future brings.
( Perjade reporting from inside the core of the Blackberry cult )

come monday the market, reality --hellooooo, will show its ugly head... all you wannabe fanbois can jump up and down and pray for the next coming of the next jesus phone!!, but unless you can buy enough of the stock to change the blood letting .... we'll you saw what happened to palm

have a nice day .... (_x_) the voice of reason

this is not about cheap fuckin technology that rich assholes could have made a difference, it's to those who will loose their jobs. those who busted their butts and got shit and about to get shafted. to those who have familys that will be greatly impacted, thats what the company should have been able to sell, the talent!!! not some piece of crap plastic that you cant even give away on ebay.

i hope for all of the 5000 for a brighter future and success then to sone failing ceo with broken promises.

I am truly gutted. I was so looking forward to bb10.... However, I will wait! Been to HTC and iphone and am convinced bb is the best phone for me. My use is mostly communication and social media, I don't do hardly any media stuff on my phone. There is no doubt the HTC and iphone are much better products if you needs are media driven. For now, I have no choice but to have faith, and believe Thor, I understand this is whole new platform, It had better be worth the wait Thor!!!! Make fucking sure you have future proofed this thing.

I can't express how disappointed I am, I believed Thor and hoped for a different RIM with him at the helm. Down but not out, come on RIM, please astound me!!!