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Posted by blkbryadict Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

The SurePress is something that make the Storm unique. If it didn't have the SurePress it would be like all the other smartphones out there.

 
 
Posted by Revyrah Sunday, Sep 18, 2011 248 days ago

I had to go through the archives to find people's original thoughts on SurePress. I absolutely love and miss it. In a perfect world, the perfect phone for me would be the Torch 9860 (aka Storm3) with SurePress added.

Even on QNX, the alternative to a keyboard would definitely be SurePress. I welcome the tech, and pray for its immediate return.

 
 
Posted by ldcmobile Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

Surepress that could be turned off or on would be great or even app specific.

 
 
Posted by blackletter Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I was disappointed with the original Storm's SurePress technology, but I will say that the Storm 2 SurePress technology appears to be a significant improvement and asset for the device. I'm waiting impatiently to test out the Storm 2. The SurePress looks beautiful.

By the way, I thought RIM dispensed with the "SurePress" title and re-named it "ClickThru" for the Storm 2. Can anyone confirm this?

I currently have the Bold 9000 and love it, but when the Storm 2 is released, I'm poised to check it out IMMEDIATELY!

 
 
Posted by Dave12308 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

as basically, the technology appears to be different enough to warrant a different name. For some reason, I thought RIM was going for "TruePress", though. Which would make more sense (people who own S2s reprort the click is consistent, or true, across the whole screen) - no more difficult corner clicking.

Of course, that makes sense, with the single-button configuration of the S1, the corners have the least mechanical advantage when the screen is pressed, as they are furthest away from the physical button. The S2s design looks like it would be even better (although probably overengineered) if it also had a central button, or at least some sort of support. Compared to the corners, the center just looks really fragile.

 
 
Posted by scotsman88 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

Too bad SurePress is gone...lol...hello vClick....

 
 
Posted by blackletter Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

FYI, I also have the iPhone 3G and enjoy the touch interface, but I believe the Storm 2's touch interface will be superior. The video demonstrations of the Storm 2 SurePress looked incredibly easy to use & navigate.

 
 
Posted by warhed230 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

How about the Magnum. If it has the same technology as the storm2, wow! With surepress we know the RIM is moving in the right direction.

 
 
Posted by briankeith513 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

Surepress allowed me to type quickly and more accurate than I could ever type on the Iphone, or any other touch screen phone that I've ever used. The Surepress on Storm 2, seems to allow for even faster typing, so I'd definitely want it, or at least the option to turn it on/off. However, I prefer it over just a great capacitive touch screen.

 
 
Posted by Dave12308 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

While the mechanics of SurePress may slow down your physical typing speed, it makes up for it in accuracy. If you were told to type this post on a Storm, and on an iPhone; as quickly as you can and without stopping to correct mistakes, in absolute speed the iPhone would come out ahead. But you'd likely have several more mistakes on the iPhone, thus causing the Storm to come out ahead in corrected WPM.

(this theory is based on an informal experiment I just conducted on my Storm and my iPod Touch 2G [which is the fastest iTouch-family device aside from the 3GS])

 
 
Posted by plifebryan Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I like surepress - they should stick with it.

 
 
Posted by rocketjrb Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

SureType is great for the menus, but if my Storm had the option to be a traditional touchscreen when typing text(also with text bubble), it would have crushed all other phones.
The OS is proven, but a more touch friendly design couldn't have hurt.

 
 
Posted by Dave12308 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

something like you mention is most likely very possible. If the click can indeed be powered off and on at will, it would be very possible to turn off the click on the keyboard, but reenable it when the OS senses a UI element being used. See my comment further down that mentions a "SurePress Hybrid" option. It works just like you mention.

The S1 would likely never see an OS with the option to turn off clicking, as there is no physical way to stop it from clicking, and because of that an option like this would likely slow you down (as you end up typing slower trying not to accidentally click)

I can see the OS Forum threads right now:

"Turned off my screen click, and now I can't stop inadvertantly clicking: WTF?!?!?!?!?"

or:

"Turned off my screen click, but my screen still makes a click noise when I click it, WTF????????"

 
 
Posted by anthonyrizk Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

It's a design hack - a way to make the UI paradigm of the BlackBerry OS fit into a touchscreen device. All things considered, a creative way to fix the problem, though the implementation felt very cheap on the original Storm. Hopefully the multi-point SurePress screen will feel more solid.

 
 
Posted by Dave12308 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I can see the brainstorming session when they first decided to come out with a touch screen Berry....

"Hey guys, WTF can we do to make a touchscreen device work with our OS, without having to write a completely new OS?"

"We should, ya know, make the screen click in like on big button, eh? Eh? Like one big button. And then when people are typing on the virtual QWERTY, it'll click, just like an old IBM keyboard, eh? And the finger can be the trackball since you roll the trackball with your finger anyways. And the screen clicks, so chicks will always want to 'click' your screen! That will be cool huh huh huh, Eh?"

"Good idea there, LarryBob. We'll call it 'SurePress'"

And thus the Storm was born.........

 
 
Posted by jakeh0 Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

this is exactly what i always thought happened. it allowed them to keep the huge lists of texts instead of making buttons or intuitive menus

 
 
Posted by jonasrocker Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

Kist get rid of it! I wouldn't mind it if u could change it, but if u can't, then just get rid of it!!!

 
 
Posted by sliznut Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I have loved the surepress tech since the Storm first launched. My main gripe with touchscreens is the accidentally selected items when using them. This resolves that completely.

 
 
Posted by sefiroh Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

is what makes the storm what it is. as all new tech it hasn't been perfected. shameful that so many got bad phones and didn't give it a chance. it is the reason why i bought the storm and the reason why i will stick with this line of phones. it's very simple, if you want a simple touchscreen don't buy it. if you wanna try it out go to a store (or try it for the 30 day grace period). no need to go places and bash the phone because YOU don't like it. bottom line is if RIM focused on the OS and got that right first, with the hardware this phone would rule the smartphone market. everyone knows it's not due to the poor handling of the OS (mostly). RIM has to do something BIG to sway consumers to rebuy this or to get people on board......oh wait they did, they made it available to AT&T. lol

 
 
Posted by NDonline Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I commend RIM for creating the clickable screen technology and for further developing it. RIM tried something different and with the feedback they have received they improved it (TBD). That's how innovation happens. If Storm 2 is better than Storm 1, and RIM continues to improve upon its own technology, then imagine what could be possible down the line. If everyone created the same thing, technology and innovation would certainly suffer.

 
 
Posted by nafiz011 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

not really a fan of surepress.

 
 
Posted by BoldMeister Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

SurePress is what will transition the business user who is used to real keyboards into the realm of touch. With it properly implemented (it appears so this time), this should be enough to drive business users into the touch paradigm. You will notice that the penetration of Storms into offices is minimal to non-existent. Storm 2, with its better virtual keyboard, more memory and slicker user experience will hopefully make this happen.

Think about it, for most business purposes, touch screens are really not required - keyboards and trackballs do a fine job for contacts, calendaring and e-mail and editing documents.

I have a Bold now, and if Storm 2 implements SurePress well, I'm getting it for sure.

Personally, I despise touch screens for typing purposes, as do many people. Photocopiers and kiosks have them and there is something deeply unsatisfying by typing on a 2 x 4.

 
 
Posted by msles30 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

huh

 
 
Posted by dkmashino Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

how can a reasonable judgment of the technology be made by folks who have yet to try it? i mean, wouldn't this poll be based on the technology that is forthcoming, and not one that is scheduled to be phased-out? or am i missing something?

 
 
Posted by attack_rabbit Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

When I use Opera mini, I do NOT click to select. Tap or double tap triggers links.

Doesn't that indicate that surepress is already app-dependent?

 
 
Posted by avt123 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I'm pretty sure that's because the app doesn't support SurePress. The Storm as of right now cannot turn SurePress off.

 
 
Posted by rimbuk Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

the problem with this poll is that people are generally really dumb. Saying "Yes, I want both" is just not realistic, is it?

Having sure-press and not is like having 2 entirely different operating systems. Thinking that RIM should spend time developing their OS to accommodate those people who just want touch is silly. Its wasted time and effort that could easily be spent making their current OS's better

 
 
Posted by tommylouvon Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

The weight of the store is my biggest compliant. I actually moved back to the Curve since the phone was too heavy.

Storm 3 weighing 3 ounces....that would be a HOME RUN!!!

 
 
Posted by Dave12308 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

5.5OZ is HEAVY for a device with a large panel of glass covering it's large screen?

 
 
Posted by Mazda_Speed Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

Sure Press is what makes it a Blackberry. I do not want a another I phone copy cat I want a Blackberry.

 
 
Posted by mrcoyote Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I like it... BUT.. they have do something about the dust & crap that gets between the phone edge and the glass. I do work in a dusty environment and this isn't going to be good for 'long term use' out of the phone (right now I have it wrapped in an Otterbox though... hopefully that saves it)

 
 
Posted by johnolesen Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

i love my storm the way it is. seriously, it's awesome. couldnt be happier overall with the phone

 
 
Posted by alphatectz Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I have to see it to believe it. Yes I know there has been video leaks but I would like to have the S2 in my hands playing around with it. I currently have a 9000 & an iPhone 3gs. I like that my iPhone is just completely touch but then againthine S2 "surepress" looks like it has been improved so I might just try out the S2 once it drops for AT&T. What was it now the 9520 or something like that? Then again once the 9700 drops I'll give up the S2.....

 
 
Posted by ranpha2882 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

It's been working nicely IMO, and later when RIM finally give us a smoother OS, it's going to be even better..
.151 is good, but I'm sure RIM can do better..

 
 
Posted by moss92g Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

I think it would be fine if it popped up the letters with sensing instead of turning the key blue. I don't see why you have to press the screen. It can obviously sense without being pressed.

Terry

 
 
Posted by snowindec9 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

im a fan of uniqueness. the surepress is unique. keep it but make it more advanced.

 
 
Posted by SkullCrack Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

Its so much more tangable. Wouldn't want another touchscreen w/o it.

 
 
Posted by Dave12308 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

However, if this "piezo" technology (or whatever S2 uses) allows the click to be variable, then a simple setting in the Screen/Keyboard to enable/disable it would probably not be hard to implement, and would give the user some choice (much as Windows allows either a single-click or double-click to select icons)

Perhaps the settings should be as follows:

SurePress Enabled - phone would work like S1

SurePress Disabled - single tap would highlight/drag/etc, and double-tap would select

SurePress Hybrid - OS would smartly determine whether user
was typing, or using the interface elements of the OS. While typing, click would be disabled and device would work like the iPhone. When using the interface, click would be re-enabled.

Having a mode where the screen doesn't have to be clicked would be good for those with "BlackBerry Thumb", a form of RSI caused by using a joint not designed for typing motions (i.e. the thumb) for typing.

 
 
Posted by Dave12308 Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

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Posted by BoldMeister Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 1001 days ago

Look, touch screens are a dime a dozen now. Even the cheapest crap phones have them and they all feel basically the same - dead, dull, unresponsive, and gives you limited options (no right-click, no hover, one action only).

What makes a BlackBerry a BlackBerry ? Attention to detail. That's why BlackBerrys have done so well. Just look at their keyboards and compare them to other phone's keyboards, like HTC Dream and even the Palm Pre. No comparison whatsoever.

If RIM can create this kind of quality feel and experience for a touch screen (as it does with its keyboards) which sets it apart from all the rest (it will literally be in a class of it's own), then keep up the good work.

RIM's bigger challenge will be to include hardware video acceleration and OpenGL in their phone and FAST, in order to truly unlock the potential of SurePress and take full advantage of what it has to offer.

 
 
Posted by MrB123 Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1001 days ago

surepress is great

 
 
Posted by runlcc Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1001 days ago

I love the SurePress a lot.

Having said that, just having the option to turn it off will make the phone even better! I'll probably never turn the SurePress off, but knowing that we have a choice makes us feel great, right? :)

 
 
Posted by grayzweb Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1001 days ago

Storm 2's screen will improve the surepress. I have been with it since it came out and have learned to like it. With the new screen I think I'll be able to type even faster because (I think) you'll be able to hit the next letter even before the screen is done with the first click.
Iphone users will be in envy of our new speed :)

 
 
Posted by Kolbe Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1001 days ago

I hate SurePress with a passion. I would love my Storm to be solid glass like the iPhone, or at the very very least I should be able to turn the stupid feature off.

 
 
Posted by klgreen1979 Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1001 days ago

The storm 1 was my first venture into the touch screen world (not including my ipod) and surepress was the reason I decided to go with it. I like idea around it but can admit that some improvements are needed. Being able to disable it when I want would be a great improvement.

 
 
Posted by rwmoyer Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1001 days ago

I've used both the Iphone and BB storm. The IPhone is clear superior in my view to good typists if that makes any sense. If I had to make a choice, therefore, I'd choose the Iphone type of keyboard - no question. However, the best option would be the choice of either keyboard.

 
 
Posted by _X_ Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1001 days ago

Which is why RIM is not giving up in the surepress technology. For me I don't feel the need for such a response. I dislike artificial feedback mechanisms like the surepress or HTC/Samsung vibrate, or the false shutter click on a phone camera. They don't add any value.

However there are many folks that do want this kind of feedback mechanism offering them is a great solution so long as they can be enablbed/disabled.

Also the one thing I like about Surepress is that it offers another form of interacting with the Storm. Not only does it respond to a touch but it also clicks.

 
 
Posted by cletis Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1001 days ago

SurePress was intended to address two issues: First, the obvious fact that touchscreens have no tactile feedback while typing, and second, to allow two dimensions of input control from the otherwise one-dimensional touchscreen: touch versus click. As anthonyrizk implied above with his remark vis a vis the UI paradigm, the BB UI requires a distinction between *select* versus *execute*; without this distinction in the touchscreen, no apps written for thumbwheel/trackball/touchpad devices would work on the Storm, and RIM would have essentially forked the BB into two distinct devices, which would have been a nightmare for everybody. The need for this distinction means that RIM's only choices are either the track they're on now; differentiating the amount of pressure being applied to the screen, or else choosing to go with single versus double taps or some other way of differentiating touches in time. (Sorry. "Touches in time" sounds like a sappy 70s soft rock love ballad.)

I LOVE the control that this distinction gives me; I'm not married to anything I incidentally tap like on the iPhone (as I understand it). And I THOUGHT I would love the keyboard action with the tactile feedback of SurePress, but I was wrong. For me, nothing can match physical buttons, and I want them back.

The only reason I might stay with the Storm when the S2 comes out is the screen size. I don't fit in with what appears to be the mass market's desire for smaller and smaller devices; I'd rather have a screen the size of the Storm's (or larger) and a keyboard the size of my trusty old 7250. In fact, I would have switched back to my 7250 if not for its depressingly faint and colorless screen and of course its slower network capabilities.

Besides, if smaller phone size was really so prized by the market, then wouldn't the best-selling BBs be Pearls? And we'd all walk around with designer dogs in our designer handbags that match our designer small-format smartphones? Well, since we're not a planet of Paris Hiltons, smarten up, RIM, and put the wide back into your QWERTY devices so that we can aim for one button at a time again!

So what do I want in the Storm 2? Keep the touchscreen, but give me a slide-out QWERTY keyboard. (Keep smaller on-screen keyboards for portrait-only apps like the phone.) I know it will be thicker than the iPhone then -- horrors!! -- and weigh more than 3 whole ounces (I cannot believe that somebody actually posted that the Storm as it is is too heavy! Dude: Do you live on Jupiter or something? How is 5.5 ounces heavy?), and you'd obviously always be in landscape mode when typing, but it would absolutely be the best. phone. ever.

 
 
Posted by Solo Hunt Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

I think it still needs a trackball for improved
typing and web browsing. Kinda like point and Click

 
 
Posted by jamesmullen75 Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

I think the perfect solution is to leave the click through function in place for everything except typing on the keyboard. Typing on the keyboard should incorporate a user selectable on/off feature which would allow the user to interact with the keyboard much like the iphone keyboard. If you prefer the click through functionality then simply toggle that feature back to "enabled" and away you go. I can't imagine this functionality would be difficult to program into the OS.

 
 
Posted by Sayersj629 Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

The absolute best option would be some kind of a sliding qwerty keyboard with a nice capacitive touch screen on top.

 
 
Posted by ozzi1965 Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

I definitely love SurePress technology on my Storm and I want to have it on my next device Storm II. I do have a huge expirience typing on iPhone while I'm driving my big rig and I can tell ya - it sucks:-))

 
 
Posted by DeborahRWallace Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

From a female perspective I usally type pretty fast on a qwerty keyboard on the blackberry's I've had. My husband has recently purchased the Storm, which I have tested on. Let's just say if you have your nails done the storm is not very user friendly when it comes to the surepress. It seems I spend most of my time hitting the screen multiple times trying to type. Since the surepress requires your actually finger hitting the screen vs nails, my typing has slowed. So all you ladies out there that do maintain your nails test drive any surepress device before hand if your interested in what it has to offer!

 
 
Posted by Bilbs85 Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

Screw an iphone. If I wanted a hard piece of glass I would have gotten an iphone. If the storm or whatever touchscreen blackberry is released like an iphone I'll go right back to keyboard. I hated touch screen phones until RIM released the storm. Touch and click is genius, how can anyone argue? The Storm 2 technology looks sweet, hopefully they do the same or improve with the next generation touch screen cuz my contract ain't up for a while. Anyways, RIM should not go to a fixed touch screen, I love being able to slide my finger accross the screen and not ending up somewhere else in the phone.

 
 
Posted by lainieb1 Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

SurePress is fine, but the Storm would be a better phone if you could see the letter you are typing like the iphone. The blue screen below the letter is hidden with your finger or thumb. I love the phone in general. It did take a great deal of time to get use to since I had a curve prior to purchasing the storm. I am up for a new phone in December, was considering the Tour only because of the ease of typing with a tracker ball and not the storms touch screen. Now that I have seen the information on the storm 2 I might change my mind. Change the display and I for sure getting the storm 2.

 
 
Posted by firegrove Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 1000 days ago

My wife used to have a Samsung Instinct. While we got rid of it for more than a few problems, I did like the touch feedback it had. You could move your finger across the screen, but the phone actually vibrated a little when you selected something to let you know that you had. I hate the SurePress option on the original Storm. I thought it was a neat idea until using it for a while. Given that option, I would much rather have just a plain screen.

 
 
Posted by pittsy12 Friday, Aug 28, 2009 1000 days ago

I can now fly with the surepress, but the biggest problem is the fact that you can no longer see what the alternate character is like the old keyboards. Bring that back so you don't have to memorize where the '/' character is.