CrackBerry Poll: How do you feel about RIM's Announcement to Support Android Apps on the BlackBerry PlayBook?

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By Kevin Michaluk on 25 Mar 2011 12:45 pm
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RIM's announcement yesterday regarding the expansion of the application ecosystem for the BlackBerry PlayBook brought with it the big news that Android Apps (specifically Android 2.3 apps for the time being) will be supported on the BlackBerry PlayBook. This doesn't mean that RIM is working with Google to bring Android marketplace to BlackBerry, but rather that developers who have made Android apps can sign up as BlackBerry App World developers (which is now free of charge) and distribute their apps to BlackBerry PlayBook owners via App World. Developers will have to repackage, code sign and submit their Android apps to BlackBerry App World, but the process should be pretty simple for any current Android app developer should they choose to. These android apps will then run on the BlackBerry PlayBook via an "App Player" in a "sandboxed" environment on the PlayBook. This is the same process that will also allow current BlackBerry Smartphone java apps to run on the PlayBook. The Android App Player will be demoed at BlackBerry World in May, and will become available this summer to PlayBook owners - so it won't be there on the April 19th launch date.

Because these Android Apps and BlackBerry Smartphone apps will be running in a sandboxed environment, to use RIM's vocabulary we can likely expect the experience to be more along the lines of simple open and use "apps" rather than the deeply integrated "super apps" that RIM often likes to talk about. The most compelling (deeply integrated and high performing) apps on the BlackBerry PlayBook are likely going to be built with the newly announced native SDK, but this announcement of Android app support definitely helps to drive a best of both worlds message to potential tablet consumers. If you buy a BlackBerry that support Android Apps, you won't feel like you're missing out on anything, which is one of RIM's current challenges in the marketplace. Of course the announcement is only the start -- Android developers will have to make the decision to want to put their apps on the PlayBook and take the time to go through the process -- so whether we ultimately have 10,000, 50,000 or 200,000+ Android apps available via App World will only be known in time. 

Following the announcement and tuning into RIM's Earnings Call where Co-CEO Jim Balsillie commented on the support of Android apps (for a breakdown of his commentary go here), I spent hours last night browsing the web to see everybody's opinions on the matter. As might be expected, they were quite mixed. Many in favor of the idea cited that it really showcases how powerful the platform is, that it allows RIM to now offer the best of both worlds, that it differentiates RIM from everybody else and that it should make anybody considering an Android tablet look much longer and harder at BlackBerry. Some against the idea thought it could stifle native app development for the BlackBerry PlayBook (meaning we'll see more so-so apps and not enough awesome apps), and that it just complicates things for RIM. With QNX ultimately becoming the future of BlackBerry Smartphones as well, the conversation extends beyond phones as well (Balsillie did say that QNX-based "super phones" will be hitting the BlackBerry portfolio in calendar 2012). 

So where do you weigh in on the debate? Yes? No? Not sure? Let us know your thoughts on the poll above, and give us your reasoning in the comments below. One thing is for sure... things are getting REALLY EXCITING AND INTERESTING again in the BlackBerry space.  

Kevin Michaluk Kevin Michaluk "Founder, Editor in Chief " 3921 (articles) 3285 (forum posts)
100 comments

Yousif Abdullah

It's a win-win.

Not only does the announcement make the BlackBerry PlayBook that much more attractive, but it also allows developers to target a larger audience with minimal work (i.e. both Android and BlackBerry ecosystems). This should leave a harsh scar on the iOS platform and can only benefit the consumer. What do you think?

Peace,
Yousif.

enzo07i

yeah! Win Win for us

glinc

Yea, I'll believe it when I see people making long lines around the world to get the Playbook.

RIM knows app support for BB OS is the worst, that's why they're doing this.

feldmen01

It's actually pretty good if you take the time to look. I have over 40 applications on my Blackberry and they all work perfectly. BB travel is an amazing application, so it BB podcasts, BB protect, Poynt, flixter, Shazam, ebay, Endomondo, Urban spoon, the score, etc.

I bet if you take the amount of useful applications and divide it by the total number of applications available minus redundancies, Blackberry app world would be on top.

mkye86

Basically you are extremely right

zensen

Exactly! Also this announcement is also about sweetening the deal for those that prefer numbers.

also this is less of negative than what some would like you to believe. Just look at how apple made it easy to put windows on their computers. This is exactly the same kind of concept.

feldmen01

One simple concept makes this the best move for RIM:

Competition forces innovation

It's not the Android Catologue that users should be excited about, it's the competition it will bring, weeding out the useless redundant applications in place of higher quality ones.

Charles Darwin would be proud...and confused....

infinus

did you saw those queue for buying iPad2...
i am sure <55% of them don't know even about playbook
..
now most of them already have this iPad2....
who will buy it...
......
RIM it's too late...for tablet release...
sell RIM to microsoft or nokia..
you will make more money

BlogBerry.hk

"versatility of the platform" that is a win win for sure!

BBMAN2009

I don't see how it could be construed as a bad thing...?

Seems like it's all good to me.

tmelon

It's RIM's way of saying "We know that developers won't make PlayBook apps, so we'll just leech off another platform."

Vaman49

Somebody always has to pee in the pool....

tmelon

I'm just saying that BlackBerry users have been Anti-Android forever and now we're all wonderful friends.

Vaman49

It's a changing world I guess. I have BB, Android and iOS so I see it as a good thing.

feldmen01

No no no no.... We're not friends.... Thanks though!

jasperlin

no... i think crackberry users are anti-iOS. i was never anti-android.

personally, i'm not anti-widonws either, but i sure am anti-Nokia!

kelton

Not wanting to buy an android does not make us "anti" android. My significant other has an android. I must say that it is cool, but if I am in a rush and need to get something important done fast, I snag the blackberry.

mkye86

you are somewhat right. I think it more means. We are not going to have a plethora of apps available right at launch. So lets borrow from Android to get a good head start. I think its a great Idea. After all they are just apps. If the PB can run them, why not jump on it? Eventually the PB will have plenty good apps of its own.

Xecutioner88

No it isn't its RIM's way of attracting customers. People think that Apps are the most important thing when buying a tablet/smartphone, and the more the merrier.

Remember, QNX is a whole new platform,starting from scratch is not a very good idea, specially if you can include other platforms apps. It needs to compete with 2 app giants, android and ios, and both have many quality apps available.

I think its the best decision RIM has done.

Dezz01

Dude its business 101, in an competitive market there are times when Joint Ventures are necessary. Blackberry-Android-Customers. Win-Win-Win. What was the problem again?

zensen

Yeah totally the reason! /s

Just like how apple allowed users to install windows on their hardware. I bet a lot of people bought a mac for this reason alone. If anything, this is rim flattering android but there are many reasons to stay with rim's ecosystem and this is a bonus. Just cause were allowed options doesn't necessarily mean we want to swap over or even hate on a sytstem, we simply choose to use bb for our needs and we get to have dessert too ;)

I still don't rely on a thousands on apps. Just a few quality ones or else I would have looked elsewhere - fortunately rim is giving us choice. I see no problems with this nor would I have had a problem if this didn't eventuate. One things for sure, its out of the box and they now need to deliver a great user experience.

gregerator

In some cases, "Just because you can doesn't mean you should," is a very valid and missed point. In this case however, I think it's something BB needs to get back in the game. I'm looking forward to the PB and its abilities. I crashed an iPad2 running the Tron demo. *oops*.

shebmiller

It's a good and a bad thing.

It's good in the sense that more applications will be available at launch and over time for the device. It also attracts more people to the device: people who would preffer getting a "high end" tablet with android support, etc...

It's a bad thing for QNX development and the future of blackberry smartphone. I feel that since android apps will be available to the Playbook and since that environment will be available, less people will want to write code and programs in the device's native language. And that would ultimately hurt RIM if they want to go the QNX way with their phones.

All that to say, we won't be able to tell until at least 8-12 months after release.

That's just my 2 cents, I could be completely wrong and talking smack without knowing it. But hey, if you had a problem with my post, you could have stopped reading a while ago. ;)

edhoru

I think RIM is betting on a different future, at first yes there'll be more android apps, this will help with PB sales, in the future, once the developers see a market in PB apps, they'll start using the QNX SDK to've full integration with the PB.

gord888

I agree with you on this one. I'm sure the Android integration is meant to offer a "value-add" when purchasing the playbook over the other Android tablets... potentially stealing some sales.

Over time, when app world grows, developers will need to differentiate themsevles from the pack. Code monkeys will start building "fully integrated" apps and marketing them as being better than the Android port.

Kiddo2050

I strongly suspect that most apps I run on Playbook will be native. This is good for RIM becuase it get's them past the "app count" mentality of the people with feable brains that call themselves the Tech media.

We all know that having 100 useful apps is a thousand times better than having a gazillion useless apps, but anyone in the media who would say that would be seen as a heretic because it would destroy the Apple is best model that the media is so consumed by.

Soon Android apps will surpass iOS apps and it's good for RIM that people will associate them more with the Android camp than in it's own third place camp, but I still feel when all is said and done the best apps, and the one's I'll pay the most for, will be those written specifically for the playbook.

Dezz01

I was thinking if you buy an Apple product, you would have to buy music from Apple, you have to have Apple change your battery, You have to have Apple clock your Apple computer, You have to use Apple software. That sounds pretty limited, however, with other products such as Blackberry and Android you have the opportunity to use other products, you can upgrade easily, you can change your battery on your own, etc. I guess we have been stuck on Apple for so long we forgot that there are other devices out there and they are interchangeable, and they are great. People are tired of the i this and i that, people want the flexibility of upgrading on their own without buying a new i-unit. Just my 3 cents. :)

pkcable

ANGRY BIRDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shebmiller

Why do they have to be angry?
Why can't they just be content?

Besides, everyone know Anger is a path to the dark side...
...
...
...
oMg! SiTH BIRDS!!!!!

diegonei

Behold Darth Feather, Red Lord of the Sith Birds!

enzo07i

preloaded apps like spreadsheet/presentation with full version of need for speed and tetris is enough because I'm more on web browsing, and office work

adding android apps is like RIM giving everything to its customers, and that is the best part of it,

djbtm

Why wouldnt you like having android apps on it? means that much more apps

sk8er_tor

What I hope doesn't happen is developers just make Android apps and port them to the PlayBook. We need to have apps made specifically for the PlayBook and ones that have actually been tested on the PlayBook. Hopefully this doesn't get in the way.

It's good that RIM has to approve the apps. I hope this means useless junk malware apps don't get in.

PostMortem

I don't see this so much as supporting Android apps, but RIM making it easy for developers to bring their existing software to another hardware device. Porting software for other hardware has always been around (I know this is less of a port and more of a re-submission of mostly existing code, but it's still a port).

I voted "YES", but I can really care less since most of the apps that I use are from RIM anyway. I won't hate on anything else because everyone uses what suits their needs/budget.

GolfnCPA

I am not hating on RIM when I make this comment, but the decision to support Android apps was almost a "have-to" for the Playbook to sell. I just don't see a ton of developers writing for the RIM platform.

Hopefully, when they get more comfortable with the QNX system, they will, but until then, this was a decision I felt like they had to do to get any traction for the Playbook at the launch date.

Zizzzzy

While this will be great for the playbook and future RIM smartphones, this will likely mean more businesses (Especially smaller ones) will prioritize development of the Andriod/Playbook app and in some cases may not even develop an app for the Blackberry phones which is already a hurting area.

GolfnCPA

They almost have to get QNX to the smartphone area quickly. Two separate OS for different mobile applications won't get the attention of the devs.

mkye86

Very good points. They should really just skip OS 6.1 and go straigt to QNX devices

feldmen01

Who's to say that 6.1 won't have QNX integration???? It could very well be the first step to a greater Blackberry future, after all, RIM is Sharting themselves in a huge way over this so-called "true revamp of the Blackberry phone OS".

Munx

Deutche Bank summed up my concerns concisely with their following comment:

"While RIM has grasped some of the important conceptual elements of a modern OS, it now appears that these lessons have not taken root. Instead of offering a single coherent OS strategy, they are fragmenting their own platform by offering multiple elements. In conjunction with their earnings release today, the provided an update on their OS strategy. This includes a Java VM for existing Blackberry apps, a separate Davlik JVM for running Android apps, the Adobe AIR platform, their webworks web-tools OS, and now an NDK. By our count, that is five separate platforms, and we believe this will confuse developers to the point of distraction. This is exactly the “appeal to everyone” strategy that first Motorola and then Nokia pursued which resulted in very low levels of developer interest."

I now have the feeling that RIM is going to blow this opportunity.

codemaker

There are multiple sides to having lots of development options; one that the analyst you quote supports and one which can be seen on web and PC platforms. On the PC, developers are presented with countless development options, same thing for developing applications for the web. Developers don't get confused by these options and decide that they aren't going to make their application. They take time to research them, pick what they feel is best for them and used it.

Offering options like AIR, WebWorks, and Android to develop against, lowers the barrier for entry for developers already familiar with developing in those environments. Additionally, RIM clearly defines the multiple development options. Developers don't look at them and ask, "so... how are these options different?". It is clear what each SDK provides.

Developers are not stupid (ok, some are, but bare with me). Offering developers choice will not "confuse them to the point of distraction". This analyst also clams that RIM is offering 5 separate platforms for the playbook. The platform is the playbook, they are offering 5 different ways to develop for the platform. A average developer's interest in a platform is a combination of that platform's capabilities, the ease or difficulty in developing for that platform, and possibly most importantly the size of the market on that platform. Offering multiple avenues to develop apps does not significantly affect any of those three areas.

TL;DR:
Multiple development options don't confuse web or pc developers and it won't confuse tablet developers.

Munx

All good points. While I agree with you that developers will not 'be confused', my concern lies with execution and integration. This is a huge scope of work they have added, and I am far from confident that they can get this all integrated and working well into one tight package. Especially considering the fact that they have already slipped on their original to-market date with their base product that does not include these additional SDKs.

feldmen01

Germans love to spread propaganda... or so I'm told...

Dezz01

Naw this doesn't sound like a problem for RIM. Its like buying a Ford and deciding on what kind of engine you want. This gives developers the opportunity to build modifications (Apps) for all of the engines across the board or just one engine(if they decide to). :) This is Business 101 folks for the changing economy. :)

thesign

RIM is playing it safe. Supporting android apps mean that there will be twice the more apps than the app world would have for the PB. Although this might discourage die hard BB fans, RIM made this move so that it connects to a wider audience so the PB will sell. As bad as this may soundn this will eventually be for the good. I'm sure the people at RIM had a good long talk about android coming onto the PBm

ignites

i think from 20k apps to 250k apps is more than twice ;)

Dezz01

yeah, even at that good apps and not a bunch of trash apps. ;)

enzo07i

here is the list of the apps that i want in my playbook,

office programs: Word, Excel, Presentation,acrobat reader and editor
adobe photoshop
media player
yahoo messenger capable of video chat
skype
outlook
games like need for speed and logic games,
thats all

I will use playbook more for web browsing, office works, video chat and watching movies.

enzo07i

i will start converting my movies now.....

4abetterworld

you really don't need to convert your movies...as long as they are avi or pretty much any other common format (besides native dvd) they should play nicely.

r0v3rT3N

I started 5 months ago.
;)

ryanlrobinson

As a user, I love it. More apps is always better than less apps.

As a developer, it hurts a bit. One of the beautiful things of developing for BlackBerry over Apple or Android is that there are a lot less apps to compete against. Do something for BlackBerry, you might be the only one doing it. Do something for Apple or Android, there's probably already ten of them. BB has less apps for more users = better sales opportunities for me.

ignites

on the other hand now u can develope for andriod and complete with andriod market. have u thought of that?

feldmen01

Competition forces innovation. innovation = better applications. You have summed up everything wrong with the Blackberry app world in one easy to read sentence; it's like a light bulb just switched on in my head.

I'm not trying to be snide but you're lazy mentality is good for you as you say, but not good for consumers for the very reason I pointed out above.

Bring on the android market, it's survival of the fittest in application form.

Kiddo2050

Honestly, App World will shape up or someone will find a way to get apps direclty from Android market and run them on the playbook.

As I recall however RIM purchased a company in California less than a year ago who's business it was to run platforms like App World. So I woldn't give up on it just yet.

anthonybaker

Its a good way to intice developers. they will see there is a market within the playbook and maybe then develop native apps. its good for the "general consumer" who thinks apps apps apps but dont want to get an ipad. And if you dont want the droid apps you dont have to download the optional "app player". or at least thats what it sounds like from the press release. It boils down to having the option and thats why most of us like RIM over apple. now we have the option of flash, now the option of droid apps, and now the option of a powerful tablet without apple restrictions. i cant wait for the playbook it keeps getting better and better !

Dent4DA08

I, for one, welcome our new Android overlords.

livejam

As long as security stays solid then its a great move.
Having all the options on PlayBook just makes it so much more versatile and appealing!

BlackBerry4Lyfe

IF YOU CANT BEAT THEM, JOIN THEM. i commend RIM for doing this. Awhile back itw as announced that Android had made the number 1 spot in operating Styem followed by Blackberry. I will admit i thought twice about switching over to androd device buy soon came to my senses and kept my blackberry.

AGAIN....SAY IT WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!

if you cant beat them, join them!!!!!!!!!!!!

StormJH1

As a consumer, you have to love this. For all the bad news that's associated the launch of this device (and the suspicions we still have about how it will actually work), at least now we can have some confidence that there will be some legitimate 3rd party app support. RIM simply is a nightmare to develop for, and if it were just this one device, I don't know how many app developers would realistically line up for a one-off tablet that nobody could be talking about in a year.

As a business decision for RIM, my initial reaction is that it's risky for RIM, but they have so much invested in the success of this one product (since their new phone development is stagnant) that they needed a shot in the arm. Android is open-source and will continue to be supported. The only RIM app anyone REALLY cares about is BBM, anyway - let's be honest.

TinCanFury

I'd be happier if it had an SDHC slot...

WillieLee

I think it's a good way to bring over Android developers who have never bothered with RIM because of the idea that application development is too difficult. It won't stifle native development as you don't get the same performance on the PlayBook using Gingerbread.

Once a developer gets into the App World and has experience using the new APIs for the PlayBook they are more likely to develop for the platform.

CharlieV#AC

Sorry but I think it is a capitulation. RIM's slow and steady strategy is outdated, and has been since they first had any competition in the smartphone market, and the months and months it has taken releasing details about the PB and, ultimately, releasing the device is really foreshadowing doom. I agree that PB has to run either Android or IOS apps, because that is where the developers are. However, to maintain its course, RIM needs to bring developers to QNX, not Android. The better course would be to pack the device with baseline useful apps out of the box, get people to fall in love with it, then get developers interested in making money on other QNX apps. Why would I want to run Android Apps on a QNX platform when an Android device would do the trick and is already out or approaching second generation? Every heard of Moore's Law? Epic fail, RIM.

mkye86

See that's the thing. There already is going to be so many features on the PB that will eliminate the need for a bunch of apps. We have been saying this since day one! Just like OS 6 did. Social Feeds, Universal Search, Application management, etc..

I will argue that AppWorld has some of the BEST productivity/useful apps on the Market. We just don't have any "FUN" consumer apps. This is where Android comes in. Until RIM can get enough Developers to want to develop for them.

Think about it. RIM has very useful apps out that are free. BB Traffic, BB Travel, FB 2.0 (Awesome FB Chat). BB protect. i'm sure one way or another all of these will come to the PB or be usable on the PB. Still to this day I have not found an app that allows me to do what BB Traffic does in the Android Market. I get extremely impatient browsing, DL and deleting the numerous useless traffic apps on there. And everybody's reviews on there are extremely useless!

The PB has now shown it will have a native Weather APP. Calculator, Multiple Clock App. TAT has shown a lot of Awesome apps that I'm sure will be available in AppWorld. I'm pretty sure people will love this Tablet.

zegra

Link is to a ZD Net mock up image of my conflicted emotions. This could be very, very cool or very, very bad. I just do not know which. But I do know that Jason Perlow and the ZDNet staff got this right. Now where can I get this shirt.

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/alternate-universe-android.jpg

pmich

Assuming the android apps run fine on the playbook, i view this to be a positive for sure. App makers for android will see this as an opportunity to expand their revenues and will jump at the chance.

Ideally the following will happen.

They develop an android app and submit it.
Repackage it as an app for BB Appworld.
Get comfortable developing for BB and realize the revenue potential.
Redesign the app using the QNX/BB Dev Tools to fully integrate with the QNX OS --> super app!

Skezza

pity my 9800 couldn't run android apps as well

abdul

It will show how much more advanced QNX is compared to the other platforms.

enots27

Having the playbook running android apps is good get sales on the playbook but I fear that it may stop some developers from making apps for the native blackkberry.
After all rim originally tried to get more developers onboard but basically say you can just create apps for android instead.

MrPie

This is a great move. Android apps bring the games and volume of apps that people seem to want to the BB platform. This helps increase the "mind-share" of the BB platform which will attract more customers, which will draw attention for developers to produce products specifically for BB.

The ability to run apps from multiple development platforms (Air, Webworks, Java, C+, Native SDK etc) increases the developer pool which again makes the BB products more attractive to both developers and consumers.

Business developers and enterprise customers hardly have to be convinced about the BB platform(s), but they are making forward changes in that space as well. Cloud services, BB Protect, BB Bridge etc..

All that's really happening is that they are making it very easy for Android products to be moderately re-coded and submitted as BB apps. They are running a virtual machine to host the Android programs as well as the legacy BB Java apps. This is done in web server space all the time (Citrix, VMWare etc). Native SDK products will have the most features and horsepower on the QNX platform but all that's really happening here are virtual machines to port over existing apps from other platforms.

This is likely not as part of an agreement with Google, but more reaching out to Android developers to look at the porting tools to get their products to the BB users very quickly and easily, yet via the BB App World, so they will still be BB App World products and not really "Android" products.

This capability highlights the power and flexibility of the QNX system. This is a great marketing play by Blackberry. They are responding to the demand that people want all the consumer features available, even on a "business first" platform. BB has answered with a resounding, "here you go."

Ainen

Where's my 'Don't care' option?

Alphard_Alshua

If i were google, i would take googles apps support off the IOS tablet OS, like google maps, detect ios os and block them from using google web, mail etc. :D

Seriously BB and android play on the same thing, in this case tablets. It's not like comparing plane and car and don't see it as if the software for car is being ported to plane or vice verse. Now that then we can call concerning, not using the most of the hardware, not maximal, etc.
It's the same like game developer develop for xbox or ps3, same area, same line of hardware, same design of system (proc, ram, internal storage, ext storage if its supported, camera, display, GPS, etc)

For example, why gameloft isn't interested developing or porting to RIM OS? Because the user population isn't appetizing. But by RIM going this way, they can start looking to develop for RIM, plus save some time and resource with just modified a bit from android to QNX or vice versa.
And by doing this, we should see more very competitive hardware showdown especially between RIM and android base, in this case of course on tablets only.

Just my 2 cents.

whickie

I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad thing... It has some pros and some cons.

I'm speaking both as a veteran developer in the mobile space (WICKSoft), and as a heavy smartphone user who has a BB, an iPhone 4, and a Dell Streak (Android).

The pros:
1. We will be able to run apps written for Android 2.3. There are lots of fun and cool applications available already and that gives RIM a nice boost coming out of the gate. Angry Birds, PocketLegends, Fring... Provided the apps are available for the PlayBook everyone is a winner. :D

The cons...
1. Price war: Anyone who isn't a BlackBerry diehard will have to ask: If I want to run Android apps, do I pay $XXX for a RIM tablet or $XXX for any other tablet? RIM enters in to a pricing debate with the consumer and will need to do some serious marketing to make their case.

2. Spec war: As soon as there is a new Android tablet on the market RIMs latest and greatest instantly becomes old-news. This wouldn't be the case if it were strickly BB OS, since only RIM products run BB OS. :)

3. Updates: What happens when there is an update from Google? Will RIM be constantly updating the Android OS, or are they going to lock in at Gingerbread? RIM will need some very serious QA in place in order to keep the PlayBook running well with its many interoperating software components.

4. Developer Blahs: RIM has been pounding the Super Apps drum for some time now. By saying 'go ahead and write for Android' they're sending a totally conflicting message. By being generic, and foregoing RIM specific 'super'ness the developer will have access to a much wider audience.

I know I listed more cons than pros, but the truth is that the PlayBook might be compelling enough on its own to gain considerable market share-- a little boost from existing Android apps might be just the thing it needs to attract new tablet buyers.

br14

"some legitimate 3rd party app support"

How many of the legitimate 200,000 Android apps have you downloaded and used? How many have you purchased?

There are some 25,000 BlackBerry apps, and lots more coming for Playbook, not to mention the millions of Flash based websites out there. Apart from the desperately necessary "Angry Birds" is there any other pressing need for an app you can't realise at BlackBerry App World?

As Jim Balisillie intimated, the thirst for apps is completely ridiculous. The crazy demand for more apps or your dead just demonstrates how unbelievably stupid most humans are.

You all want apps but arent prepared to pay for them. How long do you think developers will carry on wasting their time?

It's true, many developers are as stupid as the people that download their pointless apps, but even they need to eat occasionally.

The support for Android is great news, if only because idiot analysts won't be able to use it as a rod to beat RIM over the head with.

louieluis

Isn't this the same thing Apple pc's did with windows pc's....hasn't hurt them one bit. And it did draw more people to them.

bbsanks

Apples and oranges (no pun intended). There was no Windows functionality on Macs until third parties starting making virtual PC software for it. Apple themselves didn't create a solution (Boot Camp) until they switched to Intel architecture, around 2006 if memory serves.

Had Apple done this from day one there would be no Mac OS as you know it. People simply would not have purchased a more expensive PC to do what could easily be accomplished on a (likely cheaper) Windows PC.

louieluis

You just repeated what I said except, you gave everybody the long boring version.....

Zizzzzy

Actually no not really, your points are the exact opposite.

bbsanks

Well, considering this is 'Crackberry' I'm not at all surprised the majority voted in favor of this move.

Even as a Blackberry fan, I have to admit, I think the Playbook is going to flop. Here's why:

-RIM already had a tall order on its hands going up against the iPad juggernaut. And despite it having almost a full year jump on the iPad 2 it still failed miserably to capitalize. Right now today, there are still lines out of the door for the iPad 2, while the Playbook is just now getting around to accepting preorders.

Strike one.

-It costs too much. If you can't beat them with brand power, you sure as hell better beat them on price (Motorola Xoom anyone?).

The Playbook should have been at least $100 cheaper.

Strike two.

-Introducing what's currently a larger brand (Android) to your still-newborn tablet OS is a huge mistake. I think this move would have made more sense if it was introduced later, after the QNX ecosystem had more time to cook.

Doing this from the jump makes the Playbook essentially look like a really expensive Android tablet. Consumers are largely unaware of what QNX is, let alone what apps it will have at launch. And with this announcement, all they'll care to know is it can run Android apps (God forbid RIM actually mention this in any advertisements).

So RIM just shot itself in the foot by giving people one LESS reason to care about QNX, and helped promote one of their biggest competitors, Android. All at the same time.

And let's not forget that you'll still need a Blackberry handset to exploit the Playbook's full potential.

Strike three (and four, if you're still counting).

br14

Just a thought on the Android vs QNX argument (and iOS come to that).

QNX wins. Hands down. Android can't hope to compete performance wise because it's not a real time operating system.

nikkisharif

I think its great but I just wish they'd stop talking about everything it can do & release the darn thing already...GEEZ!!!!!

r0v3rT3N

Now Apple and Android Fan-boys say "You have no apps so your tablet sucks"...

blackcaneaddict

Looks like RiM really wants to control their on destiny. With their new set of phones, the PB, and opening up BBM I think their going in the right direction.
I'd say...
Go RIM!

esbuenodun

I will take these droid fan boy app and love it!

Taxi2base

Imagine Smart Phones or Tablets, that can use any apps it wants to.
Instead of RIM investing in developers to make apps, they should make an OS that can use IOS apps, Android apps, Symbian apps, Window phone 7 apps and Rim apps. What do you guys think?

reginald_1986

I would definitely say a good move. For me, RIM has always been great but they are losing out in apps wise. Considering there is android and iphone around, this is definitely a good move to bring RIM to the next level. Well and good planned move I would say!

STR8WESTCOAST

It's amazing at how when android burst on the scene you fanboys was hating. Now you realized that app world and the bb apps suck you guys have opened your arms. Amazing at how people flip the script. The grass is greener on the other side. Whats funny is how you guys are excited and it's not even out yet. Someone said it in a post earlier. If you can't beat them join them. Number one selling app for bb is a damn disco light. Another thing about bb apps is when u download them you gotta set the permission then you gotta do a battery pull. If you upgrade your device the apps don't work.

tkwolf

multimillion win for us because now, we wouldnt have to suffer on the lack of apps or at least not get jealous of the droid zombies brag about how much free and awesome apps they have against blackberry!

jamesbyjr

I have just ordered my Blackberry Playbook (32GB) from Staples... And, I cannot wait to get my hands on this machine! I think this is going to be a great product with a lot to offer to the user. I believe everyone who purchases it will be well pleased. I have read a lot of articles about the Blackberry Playbook, and most of the articles have been very positive. I was going to buy an Apple iPad2; however, I decided not to because, in my opinion, the iPad is lacking one important feature - Adobe flash. I know there are a lot of people on the Apple side who are arguing that Adobe Flash is not an important feature any longer because HTML5 has taken over. However, when I went in the Apple store to give the new iPad2 a "test drive", I was not able to play videos on some of the websites that I searched. Therefore, I don't understand how Adobe Flash has become antiquated in Apples' mind!! Adobe Flash is on their computers. I know because I have an iMac with Adobe Flash and Reader on it.

By the way, I have a Blackberry Torch. I purchased the Torch because I had read that I would be able to wirelessly connect my Blackberry smartphone for real time access to: email, calendar, address book, task list and BBM..., which I do not think you can do with the iPhone and iPad2!

And, now I will have Blackberry and Android apps... Can things get any better... I am in dream world right now...

omgitsalive

Don't forget that you can take this with you in your jacket pocket and when back home, plug it into your HD TV and bring the Power to the Big screen:)

STR8WESTCOAST

@ James, obviously you have never looked at am iPhone or an iPad. Yes I have real time email, calendar, task, and contacts. Who cares about bbm when I have SMS which is the same as bbm except for I can SMS any phone. I'm not limited to bb losers only. First rim wanna expand bbm which nobody cares about and now beg android to make apps for them. Gusss bb app world just don't cut it

BlogBerry.hk

Android doesn't make apps dude.....the developers do.
Why hate RIM for providing their users with an even greater choice of apps and will also showcase the versatility of the platform?

BABSIK

Hurray, BB is back as the real deal. It is all about innovation. Period.

sam_b77

I voted for the last option.
On the one hand it feels as if RIM has chosen a short cut to make up the numbers for the app freaks out there. Like a huge marketing blitz to wean the iSheep. But this might impact development of specific PB applications which could use the strengths of the QNX OS and do a lot more than the simple android apps. I hope PB buyers don't get caught up in the entire thing and have only a huge library of dumb android apps (basically media and games) after 8-12 months.
However, on the other hand why shouldn't RIM allow maximum developers to use their platform. If RIM decides to focus on platform development and its integration with communication and leaving the applications open to the largest developer base, then there is nothing wrong with it.
After all Microsoft makes Windows and lets a lot of other companies develop applications and software for the windows platform. Free Market...if a developer wants to market his apps to Android and PB so be it, and if someone makes a much better program by exclusively using the QNX OS's abilities and then sells to the consumers by charging a premium then that works as well.
So I'm kind of divided over my own two arguments on the matter.

Gamesdmc3

cant wait 2 see what else the playbook has up their sleve

Ross Mathis

Seems almost too good to be true. There's no way anybody in their right mind could not find this appealing. BlackBerry has always been a major competitor in the mobile industry. Their only weakness has been the lack of major apps, and with this announcement things should only get better. Can't wait to see how this pans out.

Diegito6

This came too late for me, I already bought an iPad.

nolan.b

It's a MUST.

Tablet is definitely more geared towards a multimedia environment, and this product needs a solid base for apps and games.

Not to sound all negative, but without it, have you seen the apps we already have on our BB phones? :D

Cheers!