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Posted by BB_Lover_19 Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Go get em RIM

 
 
Posted by crwblyth Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

+1

 
 
Posted by Rootbrian Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

RIM can compete with mighty will! :)

 
 
Posted by sk8er_tor Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Typical Apple.

 
 
Posted by Derwent Graphite Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Either you 1) did not read the article, 2) read but did not understand the article, or 3) you're a typical hater.

 
 
Posted by mss-ca Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

I agree... typical Apple!! Samsung and Asus manufacture more than half of the parts in Apple products, but yet Apple sued Samsung over their Galaxy Tab. Apple have disputes with Adobe, Sony, Blue-ray, and the list go on!

 
 
Posted by Emu the Foo Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

And the beetles for a while

 
 
Posted by walnuts1024 Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

could rim be firing a shot in the patent war?

 
 
Posted by codemaker Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

No, this is a trademark dispute not a patent dispute.

 
 
Posted by dentynefire Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

This is exactly how the IP laws work. Application then Public review then Decision

 
 
Posted by rolexconfuse Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

I'm not a BB hater but really? For Real? Apple files to trademark in 2010 and now RIM wants to oppose it after 1 year later?

That's like having an accident then waiting 1 year later to sue the person for damages..

 
 
Posted by MrFuts Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Check the article again...it wasn't made public until recent that Apple filed this patent. There are a number of stages before it is made knowledge to the public.

Apple also won't tell all their 'friends' 'hey look what we did', as they will just try to make it slip by so that when it's finalized they start reaping in money for infringement. So it was up to RIM to find this patent request, and there's obviously not someone sitting at a desk hitting the refresh button on the thousands of patents that go through weekly.

Good on RIM for calling Apple on it, hopefully the iPhone 5 will be banned in Canada (see Apple trying to ban various competitors in other markets).

 
 
Posted by codemaker Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

It's not a patent thing, it is a trademark thing.

 
 
Posted by XPEH Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Give Apple the taste of their own medicine, RIM!

 
 
Posted by CL8Baller Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Fun. Can't wait to see this in the news.

 
 
Posted by trsbbs Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

If Apple coined the phrase, as the article says, what chance does RIM have in succeeding here?
Why did RIM use a term Apple has used for years?
Is it wise to spend the cash on this right now?

Hope they win, if they continue this.

But....

Tim

 
 
Posted by ofutur Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

I don't think RIM stands a chance...
WebKit is the name Apple gave to their fork of KHTML in 2002...

 
 
Posted by frifred Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Isn't the word webkit pretty much a generic term by now? Lots of people/companies use it, don't they?

 
 
Posted by ChibiBlackSheep Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

That's probably the point for this...

 
 
Posted by breakmedown Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

You guys missed where they said it was Open Source when Torch Mobile started with it. When RIM bought Torch Mobile they took a product Torch Mobile already had and was using, and put it on a BB.

What I don't get, is how Apple can say "Oh, everyone can have this" then decide years later "Wait, no, I want to own this so people pay me for it." I think if they do get this copyright, it should only apply to any company not already using a previously Open Source product.

 
 
Posted by thepinkcurve Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Go rim!!!

 
 
Posted by paunngaq Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but, shouldn't it be illegal to patent something that was made open? Apple makes webkit open source so the open source community takes it and further develops it. I would imagine there are dozens upon dozens of company's with some form of webkit. Is this a strategy by Apple to gain the upper hand in IP litigation? Pretty crafty and sneaky if it is true. I mean, making something open source so the masses adopt it then applying for a patent on the name only to have the right to sue all those company's that are using "webkit" just does not sit well with me.
Maybe I'm wrong.

Cheers,
Paunngaq

 
 
Posted by dentynefire Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

RIM was the first to use webkit in commerce, it was on the Torch. The law says "by being the first to use the mark in commerce" I'm sure they used webkit somehow in marketing

That being said below is what the PB browser identifies itself as:
Mozilla/5.0 (PlayBook; U; RIM Tablet OS 1.0.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.11+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/7.1.0.7 Safari/534.11+

Right there it says AppleWebkit. So what up wit dat?

 
 
Posted by honsoloswookie Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

This reminds me of what Rambus did with DDR ram, joined a standards group and had input to DDR ram designs all the while patenting the designs for the very standard they were helping to create.

Rambus sued all the memory makers after the standard was created and pressure them to pay up, and this has carried on till now and this was back in 1999...

Looks like Apple is doing the same for copyrights now......

 
 
Posted by ofutur Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

It seems some people are mixing things up. Apple is filing for a trademark, it has nothing to do with the project being Open Source or not. It wouldn't change anything.

 
 
Posted by dentynefire Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

it would prevent another company from using the term "webkit". so a company could USE webkit tech but would be unable to call it that. effectively shutting down the ability to market webkit without a license...from Apple
RIM bought the company that started webkit and im officially confused

 
 
Posted by lepermime Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 266 days ago

Don't both the GPL, and BSD Licenses allow for trademarked names? Usually it is up to the company to decide how those names can be used, but nice open source community members generally allow the use of a trademarked name or image as long as it still holds true to the source released by the license holder, and appropriate references are in place. I don't see how there is anything conflicting here. I think Webkit is released under the BSD license which already clearly notes attribution rules, and the rest of the code is released under GPL which allows for similar actions. Add to that RIM to that RIM already denotes that it uses a derivitive of Webkit Apple as previously mentioned in a comment, and I don't really see what the big deal is here.

Of course given that this is a complex issue I may have completely missed the mark. :)