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Posted by jfs101 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Night and day between Kevin's and Joseph's reviews...

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Well... I'd argue there's actually a LOT of overlap on a LOT of the points... especially in terms of hardware design, etc.  I loved a lot of things about the 9850/9860 as a device.

Our big difference is in user experience. Joseph's good with the touchscreen-only way of using the BBOS. I find it a bit difficult with touchscreen only (note - PlayBook OS I love... design from the ground up for touchscreen use vs. the BBOS which was adapted to work with a full touchscreen). 

It really depends on the person and their needs. Both me and Joseph are a bit at extreme ends of how we prefer to interact with the BBOS. Some will be more like me (keyboard needed), others more like Joseph (touchscreen only) and some in between (which is why there's a slider Torch too which gets you a keyboard and big screen!).

Comes down to what's the best device for YOU. Torch 9850/9860 is definitely leaps and bounds ahead of the Storms, that's FOR SURE.

 
 
Posted by jfs101 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

You are right Kevin, night and day taste in BlackBerry devices would had been more suitable... I've been around here long enough to know your honesty with any device, RIM or not, and to call it like it is.

I liked the 9800 because of the larger screen, didn't use much the virtual keyboard, and I can type fairly fast on the slider keyboard with my King Kong sized hands... After getting a PlayBook the screen size of the phone has become irrelevant as I use it most of the time for web browsing and videos.

If I had not gotten the PlayBook I would seriously had considered the 9810 over the 9900. Now that I have the PlayBook's larger screen my game has changed and it's all about the keyboard. But then again, I might just wait for the QNX phones and skip this generation altogether. Time, temptation and my pocket will have the last word with my next BlackBerry device.

 
 
Posted by Sgian_Dubh Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

"I might just wait for the QNX phones and skip this generation altogether. Time, temptation and my pocket will have the last word with my next BlackBerry device."

+1

 
 
Posted by visceralberry Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Spot on.... +1

 
 
Posted by feldmen01 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

I'm having a difficult time deciding between the 9860 and the 9900. I am a Storm2 user but I think I can convert back to a keyboard no problem.

I would love to see Joseph review the 9900 to get a touch screen enthusiast's opinion on a keyboard device. I think that would help by purchase decision a lot.

 
 
Posted by raskal1130 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

This is why I always tell fellow BlackBerry Smartphone users to come to this site. What is so unique about it is that you will not find only one opinion. You will find many others. It is not completely biased to one side. It has many different outlooks on everything about BlackBerry. Yes, I completely agree with Kevin here. All these new devices are to target what is best for you. There is something for everyone from the new devices. Come on at&t, release that Bold 9900 soon. Don't make me wait until November 20th :/.

 
 
Posted by gjbsource Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Someone liked Joe's review more than Kevin's. Kevin, face it, you were in a hurry and took a dump on the Torch because you are spellbound by the Bold. Fine. But don't whine and act like your review was fair to the device. As much as you think that the BB keyboard is the envy of all messaging smartphone users, it really isn't. You'd sound more credible if you'd accept the fact that consumers want more touch and more screen real estate. Even bona fide professional users. Hopefully you can follow RIM's footsteps, emerge from the proverbial basement of mom's house, and adapt to the real world.

 
 
Posted by crackcookie Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

this remark is so off the walls I am unable to tell if it is sarcastic

 
 
Posted by smarkow Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Kevin, as you mention, it definitely comes down to which device is right for YOU. Clearly, by your review, this device is not right for you.

I've watched the first five minutes of this 2nd review of the Torch 9850/60 and in my opinion, its night and day when compared to yours.

I felt like in your review you harped on every thing you didnt like about the device (volume buttons, typing, etc.). Specifically, you really harped on the typing and the difficulty you had, numerous times throughout your review. Whereas in this review, each of those things so far as been mentioned in a positive manner.

Again, it all comes down to which device is right for you. if you really don't think you can get rid of the physical keyboard, then this device is not for you. However, not having a physical keyboard should never be a CON because the device was not meant to have one. If it was a "con", then my review of the Bold Touch would be that the CON is the fact that it HAS a physical keyboard.

Again, as you said, its all relative to which device is right for you. People need to make the decision for themselves by going to the store and trying the device out themselves, and not base their purchase on what you write in your review.

That said, you guys do a great job at crackberry. Keep up the good work.

 
 
Posted by Barredbard Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Yes, this review is astonishing. I have wanted a touchscreen phone for some time. I lusted after Verizon's Storm for years, and even defected to Droids for a wee bit as a result.

When I saw that the bold 9930 and the Torch 9850 were arriving on the Sprint network, I thought that at last I would get some satisfaction. I went to the Sprint store with the express intention of grabbing the Torch.

To my surprise, the Torch is an incredibly ugly phone, whereas in my humble opinion, the Storm form factor was beautiful, to say nothing of its software. It is obvious that RIM lavished quite a bit of love on the 9930, and seemed to have precious little left to spare on the Torch.

It felt cheap, plasticky; an unrelieved rectangular block of plastic and glass. I played with it, and it had a number of immediately apparent problems, including difficulty switching from landscape to portrait mode. I had no choice, I felt, but to get the 9930, even with its lack of screen real-estate. I am still considering heading back for a Droid, since the browsing experience on the 9930 remains abysmal.

And now, this review? Interesting . . .

 
 
Posted by camera531 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

I have the Sprint 9850 and it's the best BB I've ever had.

 
 
Posted by Pirks Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Same here. Got 9860 a few days ago and still pull it our of ma holster every 30 minutes and play with it, do some messaging, forum posting and web browsing and of course corporate email. Hehe, if RIM will keep upgrading their hardware and OS as fast as this one I gonna stop worrying about its so called "demise". This phone is THAT sweet! Really.

 
 
Posted by camera531 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

It rocks! I've waited 3 years (since the unfortunate storm) for this exact phone.

 
 
Posted by italirican2003 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Which BB did you have before?

 
 
Posted by camera531 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

I had the style before this, but many bb's before. I also had the 9930 on Verizon for a few days, but the 9850 won.

 
 
Posted by RoseBud68 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

This was a great review, Thank You. Hope to see this soon on AT&T.

 
 
Posted by lang007 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Much better review than Kevin's. ;-)

 
 
Posted by emirozmen Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

It's from another point of view, of course its going to be different. Kevin doesn't like only touchscreen phones, he wants the full qwerty physical keyboard. That's why his review was supporting that it's not a really good powerful phone, but Joseph stated in his video that he likes only touchscreen phones. That's why his review is showing this phone as a better phone than Kevin's look.

 
 
Posted by 123berryaddicted Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Well. I'm glad there are different personalities/users at crackberry. I for one like Kevin's review better, as I am a power-keyboard-user... Both reviews are good, and look at the phone from 2 DIFFERENT angles/point of views! Good work CB!

 
 
Posted by Robert22 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

You really thing, 11 hours battery life is good for Blackberry? Are you kidding? A need 2-3 days, this is what I am used to have on my 9780!!

 
 
Posted by 123berryaddicted Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Depends on how heavy you use it. My 9700 (comparable to 9780 in terms of bat life) wouldn't last me 11hrs... So don't take Joe's 11hrs as the gospel... That's for HIM... For you it could last a week, who knows....

 
 
Posted by Robert22 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

You should update your OS, to get out from the 9700 only 11 hours is crazy. I use my 9780 very heavy, 2 days are not a problem for anybody in my company.

 
 
Posted by SnoopTodd Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Excellent review Joseph! I largely think I am going to get the 9900 because it is the last 'iconic' BlackBerry before QNX arrives, but i will definitely check out a working model of the 9860 first! Great job!!

 
 
Posted by birdman_36 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Sorry but those raised buttons look dumb.

 
 
Posted by 123berryaddicted Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

I agree with you here. I wonder if they were just trying to find a way to make it look as little like the storm as possible? - lol

 
 
Posted by camera531 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

I think I'm the only person on here that actually REALLY LIKES the raised buttons. I like both the look and feel.

 
 
Posted by feldmen01 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

you're not alone.. after a couple years with the buggy, sometimes hard to press buttons on my storm2 I am looking forward to actual buttons.

 
 
Posted by harits Saturday, Nov 26, 2011 179 days ago

I am very unhappy with these raised buttons. They are very hard to press. The joy of touch screen with liquid graphics is defeated by putting such hard buttons. Even the buttons on 9800/9810 are much better. Why did BB choose this. I scratched accidently with my nail on the button which removed the layer coating on the buttons.
Liguid Graphics.... Rocky Navigation.

 
 
Posted by Killaserpent Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Great review Joseph, sorry Kevin, I respect yours too but was a little bias but as you said it is a matter of preference. To me who love touchscreens, it appears to be the best full touchscreen BB to date.

 
 
Posted by Xavier666 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

And Joseph is admitedly bias towards touch screens. I really like Joseph (Best voice out of the entire Crackberry team!), but I've still some issues with the physical / virtual keyboard showdown

I suggest that the next Blackberry without a keyboard should be a joint review - both camps get their equal say.

Plus, two seperate reviews will be pretty confusing for some people.

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Yep, we already discussed going with more of a team concept for some of our future reviews... make sure we fully encompass the crack team, vs. members of the crack team.  Also think it would make sense to put emphasis on the usage case for the device up front... as in who is this device geared towards.

 
 
Posted by Xavier666 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Agreed!

Now can we get Joseph to do all the videos? His voice is like warm honey to my ears... :)

 
 
Posted by tnahumck Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

I know there is at least one post in the forums about the SureType keyboard. I use that keyboard almost exclusively on my Storm2, so it would be nice to know how how it compares. Any chance you can add that to the review Joe?

 
 
Posted by feldmen01 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

+1

 
 
Posted by rickbansal Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Thanks for the great write up. I cannot wait (too much longer) for VZN to get it in. Need to dump my S1 and may have to jump ship to Sprint.

 
 
Posted by lassie88 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

I agree completely! I have been waiting for Verizon to say they are releasing this phone. I check this site every morning like its, well crack lol. But I have ignored all the people trying to persuade me to leave Blackberry and join one of the other companies. My storm was my first Blackberry and I love RIM and I want this phone. Please Verizon make this announcement ASAP.

 
 
Posted by FranzJoseph Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Great review! I always thought that this BlackBerry had a very strikig appearance, it looks amazing. Alas, like Kevin I am a physical keyboard type of guy so I am happily rockigj my Bold 9900!

 
 
Posted by alexkinsella Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 272 days ago

Hi @FranzJoseph,

Alex from RIM here. I’m with you on the physical keyboard! While the Torch 9860’s 3.7-inch display is great for showing off web pages, videos, photos and games – I personally use the Bold 9900 because I love the larger keyboard and how it feels in my hand. It’s really all a matter of preference, and the great thing is that all of our new smartphones rock the BlackBerry 7 OS for a quicker and more fluid user experience.

We love hearing how BlackBerry owners are using their devices. When you have a chance, I’d love to hear a few examples – either here, on Twitter (@BlackBerry) or on Facebook (http://bbry.lv/bdmrXv).

Cheers,
Alex, RIM Social Media Team

 
 
Posted by EchoTango Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Great review and much more balanced from the virtual keyboard perspective.

Kevin also did a great job, but I got the feeling he did the review with "one arm twisted behind his back".... This one clearly comes from a fan of virtual keyboards and it shows.

Of course I'm going to find some fault.........sorry Joseph. Since this handset is designed to directly compete against the iPhone, so how does it stack up ?

Again, great review and kudos to Crackberry for "manning-up" and re-loading this review.

 
 
Posted by djdonnyk Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Great 2nd review Joe, I would also like to see another review head to head with the I-Phone. After reading the specs there not to much different. My 9850 is on the UPS truck as I type, sitting here patiently waiting on it's arrival.

 
 
Posted by swiedom Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

This is killing me... I need Verizon to release this!

 
 
Posted by falconeight Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Its a great phone and should compete very well against the iPhone 3g and 1st gen mytouch.

 
 
Posted by chiefbroski Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

That's a pretty backhanded compliment considering this phone is HSPA+, has higher resolution, faster processor, magnetometer, better camera, better RAM, has autofocus, better bluetooth, better video, better battery life, better wifi, better browser than the iphone 3G...

And almost all those features better than the mytouch.

Come on man...its comments like those that make you sound like the biggest troll in the world.

 
 
Posted by falconeight Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Its garbage and doesn't compete. The OS is old, the screen is plastic, the LCD is garbage, the battery won't last a full day, the buttons are stupid, its screen is to long. Like I said it will do good against year old phones and with rimbots who will buy a cardboard box as long as it has a rim symbol on it. Its junk plain and simple period.

 
 
Posted by Robert22 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

I fully agree with you. The forum here must be full of RIM employees ;-)

 
 
Posted by feldmen01 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Very informative! I especially like your review on the buttons...

I concur, they are rather, what was the descriptor you used again? Oh yes, "stupid".

Writing reviews must be your full time job, otherwise it should be!

I would also like to thank you for pointing out that the screen is rather long. You have done everyone a great service and you should be given a medal. We should not sit back idly while these companies release phones with elongated screens! We must come together!

Short stubby screens justice league unite!

 
 
Posted by jope28 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Damn you!
You made me laugh and spit out my Corn Pops with milk.

 
 
Posted by chiefbroski Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

"Bahahahahahaha..."

Sincerely,
Crackberry

 
 
Posted by babyspeeks Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

I'm sorry, I couldn't keep up with your poor grammar. You lost me at "Its."

 
 
Posted by shuabert Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

The screen is plastic? No shit. Because having a glass screen has worked so well on the iPhone, which breaks the first time it gets dropped.

 
 
Posted by iDefected Thursday, Oct 06, 2011 229 days ago

I saw broken iPhone screens constantly at my previous job, they don't fall well.

 
 
Posted by danimalchil Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

You're a fool. What are you doing here again?

 
 
Posted by chiefbroski Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

+1 bro

 
 
Posted by synthmole Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Why would anyone want this over the iPhone?

A touchscreen device from RIM made sense when the category was new and RIM had a chance to compete with the first and 3G iPhone. Now, it's just hard to find a use for this.

Other than YouTube, you have to rip DVDs or download torrents to watch anything on this. Who would do something like this except for nerds? It's too late for a touch screen from RIM and it takes away from the brand.

 
 
Posted by chiefbroski Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Maybe because some people need to get their work email securely on a Blackberry and want a touchscreen? Or want to use BBM's awesome groups, notifications, lists, and calendar syncing.

Jeez.

Just because you don't want it doesn't mean everybody else doesn't.

 
 
Posted by camera531 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Just because you want a touchscreen doesn't necessarily mean you want angry birds and a half million apps. I really like the BB OS and the unique benefits it brings, but I also like using a full touchscreen for web browsing, Facebook, videos, etc. It brings these two things together, without trying to be an iPhone. I honestly don't think this is an iPhone wannabe, it's a different concept for a different user.

 
 
Posted by synthmole Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Sure, but how significant is that market of people who want a secure messaging but also a touchscreen device? Any phone will find buyers but is it worth it to make one?

RIM is making a statement with this, and it simply cannot compete with the iPhone at this point. RIM offers nothing that would cause a touchscreen device user to take a look. RIM should stay true to what it does best, just like Apple does, uncompromisingly.

 
 
Posted by chiefbroski Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

To me, the iPhone is a compromising experience for many reasons I won't mention here. To others, a bb is compromising. To each his own.

 
 
Posted by DaedalusIcarusHelios Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

There are plenty of people who fit that description. Obviously that doesn't include you. Take off your blinders and realize not everyone loves the iPhone. I got the 3G and then the 4 for my wife, and I've played with them previously and since, but there are certain things I can't stand about the iPhone. Sure, as a media consumption device its great, but I find it severely lacking in its messaging functionality, especially in regards to my work email. I'm a sys admin and I utilize rules for email to go into folders, and there are some I don't want to go to my BB. I can implement Level 1 alerts for messages that I deem necessary, and have the alerts I don't care about not forwarded to my phone. Plus I get the emails almost always BEFORE my outlook client on my laptop gets them. I also utilize wireless syncing of notes and tasks from exchange.

That's just one area where I find the BlackBerry OS superior (there are many more). Obviously if the strengths of the platform don't benefit you, then that's not a plus in your experience, but realize the iPhone is NOT the best device in all aspects to all people.

The 9850 will be my next phone. I've been using BB for years now and took advantage of its smartphone features well before the iPhone. Sure, some of those features may have been limited to what the iPhone and Droid devices bring to the table, but RIM is catching up in those areas.

I am sure this device will do well. No, its not an iPhone killer and realize that nothing will be, because many people that like the iPhone are obsessed with the image and marketing of the device, and its strengths have been played up to be the things that everyone should want. Most people don't even realize that competing platforms the same functionality, with a different user experience (in some ways better, in others not as good).

Apple compromises all the time, but they tell you its something you don't need. They lack certain features and functionality that they implement later with great fanfare, but prior to that their fans are mostly convinced that those lacking features and functionality are extraneous.

You go ahead and enjoy your iPhone, and I'll enjoy the 9850 as soon as Verizon gets off its butt and releases it.

 
 
Posted by shuabert Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

+100

 
 
Posted by chiefbroski Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 274 days ago

Thanks Mr. Holder! Great stuff! Exactly what I was looking for. I believe all my primary concerns regarding the crapiness of the Storm 1 were rectified in this BB.

Although I disagree with saying that physical keyboards are superior in messaging. I write 500 word emails with my Storm in a few minutes no problem. It's pure preference. Its OK to HATE physical keyboards.

This is for all the Storm users (representin' yo, deez peeps be frontin da touch BB) that can message like BEASTS without a physical keyboard.

Maybe a 9 is a little high, but I haven't used one yet so what do I know...

Come on Telus, start selling this thing!

 
 
Posted by SCPanther13 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Very nice review, really whets my appetite to try one in my hand. Still is a bit silly to list lack of keyboard as a negative on a touchscreen-only device. Please go back to your Bold review and edit the Bad section to read, "If you like touchscreen only devices, the fact that there's a keyboard taking up half the screen may dissuade you."

:p

 
 
Posted by mickeyboat Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Wow, after the earlier review I was ready to wait for the Colt. Now I am ready to purchase the 9850 if and when Verizon sells it. Great review. My usage is similar to the reviewer and the 9850 should fit my needs perfect. I may have missed it but did you try it bridged to a PB?

 
 
Posted by El Cid Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Nice post/review, I prefer the physical keyboards, however, I have had no issues whatsoever with the PlayBook's virtual keyboard as it is a device perfectly designed for average sized guys hands, I will wait until the arrival of the QNX phone to decide what new BB shall replace my current one.

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Thank you, Joe. I needed this!!! The first review was disappointing and I didn't give it much credit because it was from a physical keyboard perspective. Not everyone wants a physical keyboard -- some value screen space more.

Nevertheless, with my Storm, I have written pages and pages of text in a short stint with no grief or worry. Without SurePress, I don't know how realistic this will be on the 50/60. I like the feedback the Samsung Galaxy S II has when typing. It's a single vibrate. It's nice and reassuring. Wish RIM could at least provide some sort of feedback like that!!!

 
 
Posted by Robert22 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

OMG, such an uncritical comments. I understand, this is a server for RIM freaks, but everything should have its limit. Really, nobody wants see the weak battery and the crapy camera? I like RIM, I have the Bold 9780, but the last generation of Blackberries cannot be compared with the neweste phones on the market. In my opinion, RIM made a big mistake, they had to build a real Bold 9000 successor, not hunting the most thin phone....

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

I partially agree with you! While THIN is nice, long battery life is nicer. I'd ALWAYS go for a slightly bigger battery to avoid having to charge in mid-stream. Just not acceptable! This is why I'll never go Android as most Android phones won't go past 6 hours. Last time I checked, a full day at the office is often 12 hours.

Regarding the "crappy camera", I don't see how 5 MP is crappy. Camera quality has much more to do with lens quality and image processing than the sensitivity of the sensor. Too many folks look at the sensor and forget that the lens matters much more. I'm not saying the BlackBerry lenses are better, but you just can't look at the number of megapixels as a gauge of quality -- never.

Finally, the 9900/9930 is indeed a very worthy successor to the 9000. It definitely out performs the 9000 in every way possible, except perhaps battery life... and this is where I'll agree with you a bit.

Nevertheless, many people have told RIM that they cannot be excessively concerned about battery life when folks want a "sleek and thin" smartphone. I think these guys really want Androids, so go get an Android phone. RIM should continue to lead in battery life. After all, business DEMANDS it! Business will never wait for a phone to charge.

 
 
Posted by netviper Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Just tried it at the sprint store and i LOVE it. The KB is much easier to type on than the Storm 2. I had no problem typing in portrait mode either. The phones is very fast.. though the 9900 scrolls side to side much faster. I like the raised buttons also because my crappy storm 2 buttons rarely work properly. Go RIm!

 
 
Posted by TommyBB Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Thank you Joseph! Finally a proper review from a true full touchscreen head!

 
 
Posted by mtnspokes Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Thanks for the re-review, but please take "lack of keyboard" out of the Cons list. It would be a negative if it had a keyboard but it didn't work correctly. You don't see "Lack of full touchscreen" in the cons list of the 9900. As your review indicated, they are two different devices with different purposes that will appeal to different users.

I'd like to see a camera comparison between the three new devices.

Do physical buttons make anyone else nervous?? I'm wondering if dirt and lint can get in and foul them up over time like it did with the trackball or are they sealed better?

 
 
Posted by The_Engine Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Any chance we would see tge SureType keyboard avail in portrait mode. That was the best keyboard in portrait once you got used to it.

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

SureType was never accurate enough for me. I suppose if you are writing common words it works well, since those words are in the dictionary. If you're into technology like me, then most words won't be in the dictionary and it would suck. If you also abbreviate and use acronyms a lot, SureType gets confused. After you go over and over trying to type what you need, you eventually have to switch keyboards. Not fun!

It took me 3 weeks with my Storm fighting with it before I had to just ditch SureType and TRUST the full portrait keyboard. I never looked back!

SureType has no future since it is tied to a dictionary of common words.

 
 
Posted by tsunkai Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 263 days ago

I thought you could add words to your custom dictionary?

 
 
Posted by tsunkai Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 263 days ago

Yes - that is an option on my Torch 9850. Under keyboard options, choose "reduced" keyboard in portrait mode, and you get the sure-type keyboard. I use it and love it!

 
 
Posted by paunngaq Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Great review! For Kevin too.

I would really love to have the 9850. Anyone know if Bell is going to carry it? I'm with Bell for a couple more years and where I live at the moment is CDMA only (sucks!) so I'd need to upgrade to the 9850.

Please Bell offer the Torch 9850!

Cheers,
Paunngaq

 
 
Posted by Beakman Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

It's a shame politics prevents the 9860 being compared with it's demographic predecessor, the Storm 2, which I happen to like more than my Torch1. I would like to know how typing on those two screens compare as well as balance and feel. Unfortunately, dare not speak the name.

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Darn it, what's so wrong about the Storm name????

It was a great device, a physical marvel in engineering! It actually won several awards and RIM has several patents against it. I LOVE MY STORM.

I HATE THE STORM's BBOS 5.0.

I HATED THE STORM's BBOS 4.7 EVEN MORE!!!!

It is the OS that SUCKED not the phone! My Storm is 3 years old and I just wished I got a more updated OS to run on it. Perhaps this was why RIM was considering the Storm 2 refresh! While I hated that concept because I needed a Storm 3, I can see why RIM entertained that idea!

 
 
Posted by kmonarq7 Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Joseph, as a long time Storm user, thanks for giving this the second run through. I've lived and died with my Storm (both 1&2), and have been waiting forever for this device. I think that the touchscreen devices don't get much of a run in the blogosphere with the competition from iOS or Android.

Keep rockin' it!!!!

 
 
Posted by gjbsource Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Now I get it, why would I think that the 9850/9860 would have even been developed? I mean, with everyone falling all over themselves apologizing for the absence of a physical keyboard, why was the device made? Virtual keyboards are totally inept for communication after all. In fact, 90 the 2 leading OSes don't have a physical kb and their phones are useless, right?
Puleez, no wonder RIM has slowly but surely been getting buried. No, not RIM, just the enlightened egos on CB that can't figure out how to operate a touch screen keyboard without whining like little 2 year olds.

 
 
Posted by Jimcmf Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Joseph ...... you have a great radio voice.
Do you do radio at all?

 
 
Posted by KOOLWATER Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 273 days ago

Great job CRACKBERRY TEAM!!!! Love the professionalism and the average JOE characteristics you guys possess.

 
 
Posted by JTWJ Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Just ordered my 9850 from Sprint this morning. I am so excited.

 
 
Posted by shuabert Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Joseph, what are your thoughts on this phone for former Storm users? I'm not a huge fan of touchscreen typing, but I found the tactile feedback on the Storm's SurePress technology to be a big help. I'm trying to decide between this and the 9810 (which, now that I've used the physical keyboard, is really appealing), but I'm hesitant about embracing a touchscreen without any tactile response while typing. I just really love the look and the larger screen of this device.

 
 
Posted by shuabert Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Joseph, what are your thoughts on this phone for former Storm users? I'm not a huge fan of touchscreen typing, but I found the tactile feedback on the Storm's SurePress technology to be a big help. I'm trying to decide between this and the 9810 (which, now that I've used the physical keyboard, is really appealing), but I'm hesitant about embracing a touchscreen without any tactile response while typing. I just really love the look and the larger screen of this device.

 
 
Posted by shuabert Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Joseph, what are your thoughts on this phone for former Storm users? I'm not a huge fan of touchscreen typing, but I found the tactile feedback on the Storm's SurePress technology to be a big help. I'm trying to decide between this and the 9810 (which, now that I've used the physical keyboard, is really appealing), but I'm hesitant about embracing a touchscreen without any tactile response while typing. I just really love the look and the larger screen of this device.

 
 
Posted by shuabert Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

Joseph, what are your thoughts on this phone for former Storm users? I'm not a huge fan of touchscreen typing, but I found the tactile feedback on the Storm's SurePress technology to be a big help. I'm trying to decide between this and the 9810 (which, now that I've used the physical keyboard, is really appealing), but I'm hesitant about embracing a touchscreen without any tactile response while typing. I just really love the look and the larger screen of this device.

 
 
Posted by farooes Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

hey i live in saudi arabia and i'm just wondering if anyone knows when does this phone come out there? if you know plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz reply

 
 
Posted by fastcivic416 Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 272 days ago

amazing review! thanks for putting in the time and effort into this!

 
 
Posted by mjkep Sunday, Aug 28, 2011 268 days ago

I began my BB journey with the 8330 Curve, then the 9650 Bold and now I have had this phone since 7-24-11. The learning curve to the touch keyboard was quick and as each day passes I find myself more and more pleased with my decision. Very quick responsiveness, fast internet load and manipulation, incredible images captured on the 5mp cam and the HD video rivals my Flip. I'm certain there are a plethora of attributes still to discover. Very pleased indeed.

 
 
Posted by tsunkai Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 263 days ago

One thing I haven't seen mentioned on any of the reviews is the option to use the sure-type keyboard in portrait mode. As a former Pearl owner, I loved the sure-type keyboard and the phone's ability to predict the words you were typing. I found the touchscreen version on my Torch 9850 is even better than the physical keyboard on my old Pearl because it's so sensitive. I can really fly through messages, often completing words before the phone can even predict them (you may never have to physically type a word longer than 5 or 6 letters again as the phone will predict it). So I have to disagree that this phone is not good for heavy message typers - I think it's actually better - it's certainly a lot quieter. I can whip out a message in complete silence while the guy with the physical keyboard is clickity clacking away!

 
 
Posted by tkong Friday, Sep 09, 2011 256 days ago

I didn't know the screen is plastic either. I'm intrigued. I'm looking forward to it arriving tomorrow.

 
 
Posted by TPS_Report Monday, Sep 19, 2011 246 days ago

3G/4G is not correct.... this phone is 3G only. Which I was pretty surprised (and a bit dissapointed) to find out.
But the 3G is VERY damn fast - especially since I have an Airave in my house.

 
 
Posted by rmsdds52 Tuesday, Sep 20, 2011 246 days ago

After reading the post from "WHY would you prefer the BB over the iPhone?" :

My daughter strayed from BB out of sheer curiousity and got an iPhone. In less than a month, she was back to BB. I bought the iPhone from her, again, out of sheer curiousity, and in a WEEK, I ordered the Torch 9850...

There is just something about BB. It is a useful tool not loaded down with "stuff".
The iPhone seemed more like a toy. The BB seems more like a tool.
I don't need another toy.

There is a simplicity and a basicness to Blackberry that I just am comfortable with.

But I will say this: the week I spent with an iPhone really seems to have prepared me for OS7. For that I am grateful!

 
 
Posted by TIMSHULL Friday, Sep 30, 2011 236 days ago

Nice review Joseph,now If only at&t would release this !

 
 
Posted by Alexandra 1111 Monday, Oct 10, 2011 226 days ago

ist one of the best phones i had.. my best friend's mom makes $77 an hour on the computer. She has been out of job for 9 months but last month her check was $7487 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read about it here MakeCash9.com

 
 
Posted by Yamcha Thursday, Oct 13, 2011 222 days ago

You know I'm not a big fan of Blackberry phones, and I could say the same about this one.. It just looks clunky, too many plastic parts for my liking.. They should've made the look more like the Playbook.. And sure plastic screens may be more durable, but glass has more of a quality feel..

 
 
Posted by bastonimacaroni Friday, Nov 04, 2011 200 days ago

I have been using a physical key pad from my first smartphone, a Palm Treo 280 12 years ago thru to a Treo Pro. switched to a BB curve two years ago and got my Torch 9850 a week ago. The virtual keyboard was a bit tricky...the review is very fair on that point. But guess what...either i am getting better or the learning curve of the phones software is incredible. But I am now typing faster with less errors than with the physical keyboard. the predictive text, just seems to get it right more and more often. And it sure is easier on the fingers as I don't have to press. RIM just needs to ween the rest of y'all off the keyboard over time.

 
 
Posted by rashad82 Monday, Nov 07, 2011 197 days ago

can anybody tell me how to load HD movies/videos to the blackberry 9850? like the guy did with the Dr. Who clip. thanks