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Posted by ranbal Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

...this device is no Bold.

 
 
Posted by lccurtis1 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I don't think so. when companies do this all it does is really confuse the customer. The device should be kept within the BOLD family as it shows a constant progression with the device.

 
 
Posted by anastasiophan Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

It isn't a consistant progression with the device though. They will be releasing a Bold 9700a soon with the non slider form factor and then I'm sure they will have another Bold that will be with the built in keyboard and then upgrade the Slider again and name it another Bold name. To me, that is confusing as shit!

 
 
Posted by lccurtis1 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I guess you do have a point. But its not fancy enough to be called a "Torch" its functions seem to be way behind some of the sleeker Android devices. This name will grab the attention of a few and if it does not live up to it, then RIM will have to face the music.

 
 
Posted by tnewton3 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

And your true opinion comes through, you don't really have any true insight into why the name should or shouldn't be changed. You just happen to be a android lover. You know they have a blog you can post on somewhere right??

I like the change. Something BBRY has never done as far as model goes, and I think it fits to change the name. Not a huge fan of "Torch" but the idea is good.

 
 
Posted by anastasiophan Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I don't like that everything is being called a Curve, Pearl, or Bold now. Each phone is difference with similar insides. The Bold 9700 is not the same as the Bold 9650. And the Slider isn't even close to the same. Give these difference form factors difference names to make things easier. When someone asks me for help on their phone, they don't know the number associated with it (9105, 9550, 9700, etc) they know the name. Its hard to help someone with their Bold 9650 when they have the Bold Slider.

 
 
Posted by netposer Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Where is the "Doesn't matter as long as they release it" option in the poll?

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

haha. i wrote that statement into the final paragraph. i know LOTS of us think that. i'm more curious to see the straight decision of Bold vs. Torch. it's an either or type of reponse on this one. :)

 
 
Posted by Brandon 8ch Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Hi Kevin. I was just wondering why you're never on BBM. Is it my phone or yours? It keeps saying that you're unavailable 24/7 and I don't know why. =S

 
 
Posted by jlb21 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I would rather see just calling it "Bold
Slider"

 
 
Posted by google123 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Who the hell cares what they call it just release the damn thing already.

 
 
Posted by anastasiophan Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Anyone that ever has to help someone with their blackberry over the phone and needs to know what phone they have. Its not the biggest deal, but I just had to experience it yesterday with the Curve (which there are too many of).

 
 
Posted by netposer Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Yeah. Too many Bold's already. 9000, 9700 and now the 9650.

There should be something across all devices that determines the family name. To me the slider is an entirely different form-factor thus should be named something other than "Bold".

Storm is a good name since you know that's a non-kb BB.

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

a month or two before the 9650 released. What I didn't (still don't) understand is why a seemingly better phone (the 9650) has a lower model number than my 9700.

And, I'm not a hater....I don't care that I JUST got it and it is already dated relative to the 9650 and soon to be Slider and Flip and even the Pearl 3g or whatever....electronics are always out of date within six months of purchase.

 
 
Posted by duane534 Wednesday, Jun 16, 2010 617 days ago

All the memory in the world doesn't make up for a lack of simultaneous voice and data.

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Q:I have the BlackBerry Curve. Do you support that?
A:Maybe...

 
 
Posted by tnewton3 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

If you are helping someone over the phone and work in technical support the phone model number shows on the account. Giving the imei does the same thing.

 
 
Posted by eahinrichsen Wednesday, Jun 16, 2010 616 days ago

True if you're working in tech support. Not so true if you're helping Uncle Steve. Not that it's that hard to figure out which model it is by just asking a couple questions about the phone, though.

 
 
Posted by tnewton3 Wednesday, Jun 16, 2010 616 days ago

Absolutely... but what's the first thing you are going to tell your uncle to do when troubleshooting his Blackberry? Battery pull, "and while you pull the battery go ahead and tell me the model number" says I to uncle Steve.

 
 
Posted by BBICON Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

This is a different type of Blackberry and it deserves a different name.

 
 
Posted by BerryGuy25 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

They need to save "Blackberry Torch" for the real device that totally changes the Blackberry universe. Using it on the 9800 would be a complete waste.

I voted for "Keep it as Bold" but really, I say neither due to my statements above on the Torch name and also I think the 9800 doesn't fit in the Bold family. It needs a name though, just can't think of one at the moment.

 
 
Posted by natedeezy Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Different name for a different form factor nut "Torch" is not good.

 
 
Posted by natedeezy Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

delete

 
 
Posted by coolguy78240 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I really think they need to keep things simple right now, they tried to introduce the tour as a new product family and that failed. i would understand needing a new family name, especially because this is a completely new form factor for them. i guess a new product line would be good if they keep the silders comming out. we will have to wait and see.

 
 
Posted by gregerator Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Pearl, Bold and Storm all had to be introduced. As long as they continue the line. Storm has made a better name for itself in the second round. Possibly even better with S3. If the Torch can hit the ground running and running well, it'll be fine.

 
 
Posted by thornburg24 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I do believe they need a new family name for this line of devices. IHowever personally I don't care for the name Torch at all.

 
 
Posted by anastasiophan Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Blackberry Slide would be the most fitting name, imo.

 
 
Posted by Agent00J Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I don't mind giving it a new name, but it doesn't strike me as deserving of the "Torch" title. Maybe save that name for something really ground breaking.

Would be easier if they just called this thing the Slide and eventually make a landscape version, and maybe call it the Slide L... or something along those lines.

 
 
Posted by Kaptain75329 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I could live with Torch. But the name just seems vague. It fits in that a torch is a tool - a light in the darkness to show you the way - but for this device it doesn't seem unique enough. All BlackBerrys are torches in a sense.

Something more specific to the identity of device would be more fitting. I like the idea of going with "BlackBerry Shift".. as you can shift from touch to type, this BB has the best of virtual and physical navigation. I think the name should reflect that, seeing as the melding of the two was a major point of conceptualizing the slider form factor in the first place.

Either way, I care not in the end -- this is my next mobile.

 
 
Posted by eahinrichsen Wednesday, Jun 16, 2010 616 days ago

We have a winner! Get this man a cigar.

 
 
Posted by pinkfloyd7777 Monday, Jun 21, 2010 612 days ago

I agree this man needs a cigar. Blackberry "Shift" has a better ring to it and more logical meaning. They definatly need a new name. The Torch is just not it.

 
 
Posted by d3c509b Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Call it the Tour!

give everyone a good laugh

 
 
Posted by webmastir Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

they want people to buy it. not laugh at it

oh wait
(/current tour owner)

 
 
Posted by mxwill Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Couple quick questions, didn't get a chance to do too much research on this phone but I like the way it looks here.

Will this (Torch/Bold) be 4G capable?

Will it have a virtual SureType keyboard to use in addition to the physical qwerty?

Thanks

 
 
Posted by saukrateaz Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

the device is already gay enough, might as well give it a flaming name as well...seriously RIM, keep the downward spiral moving.

 
 
Posted by robr21 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I definitely think a new product line is necessary. However, I also think RIM needs to define their product lines more clearly. The merging of the Tour with the Bold was confusing. I work with a lot of people who formerly used the World Edition. Most of them don't know that the Tour is a replacement of this phone (ie. CDMA and GSM capabilities). The merging of the Tour with the Bold further confused this distinction.

It looks like this is what they are doing. So it makes sense to have the slider in a new category and stick to these lines.
1. Pearl - intro, affordable, entry-level
2. Curve - full keyboard, affordable, moderate power
3. Bold - full keyboard, high-end, full powered
4. Storm - full powered, touchscreen
5. Torch - slide-out keyboard, full powered touchscreen.

 
 
Posted by webmastir Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

good point man. that'd definitely help clear things up for a LOT of people, imo

 
 
Posted by xtrmemtnmn Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I would like to see Rim define the product lines for the consumers..just like above. Each product line would and can be used for different users and what there needs and wants are. I have to say I'm not crazy about the Torch name, but ..its not about the name...just that the product works and does what it is intended for. I can see having the touch screen and the slide out keyboard. Me coming from a curve to the storm. I can see best of both worlds with that. So if I can have best of both worlds then and it works for me...then I'll take the Torch name.

 
 
Posted by The Consigliere Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

This makes a lot of sense & like what's already been said would definitely clear some things up. The only thing is, I don't know if I'd classify the new Pearl as "entry-level" with it basically being the 9700 in a smaller package, other than that, the breakdown seems accurate.

 
 
Posted by abolds4397 Monday, Jun 21, 2010 611 days ago

Your categories are outstanding! RIM can't go wrong if they use your format! That way RIM can either add to the categories or, make a new one (but not too many, they will lose control).

 
 
Posted by rrrebo Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

If RIM releases this as the "Torch", will they call it the "Flashlight" in the UK?

 
 
Posted by MarketRide Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Then it could be a light in the darkness. Something that assists and helps people.

 
 
Posted by juju705 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Of course! Don't want to confuse them! Especially since England'll probably still be fretting over that draw.

;-)

 
 
Posted by WillieLee Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

It does seem like an odd idea since they killed the Tour line, but the Bold line is getting pretty crowded and the new form factor would seem to require a separate line.

 
 
Posted by millyblick Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I like the name change, I mean I own a Bold 9700 and I don't think the Torch will be similiar to the Bold family. But then again the phone itself looks kinda long and slim. Maybe a Blackberry Slide 9800 is the most suited name for it. Just don't call a Bold... And one quick question?... What's new on this phone?

 
 
Posted by mkurz12 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

I say keep it in the Bold family. I think it would fit with the Storm family (being a touch screen) a bit better but we know that name is enough to turn some off to it.

Only way I could see them starting another name/device line would be if they include the Slider, flip and at least another 2 devices that "open" in some way or another.

If not then I say keep it in the Bold line up.

Pearl, Curve, Bold, Storm is plenty. Just add to those existing line ups.

 
 
Posted by vx1 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

yes, Torch is good - go with it. :)

 
 
Posted by KuDdL3z Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

It should be in the storm familly in my opinion

 
 
Posted by young519 Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

no surepress = NO STORM!

 
 
Posted by crisrobiou Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 617 days ago

Doesn't really have a Bold feel? I've always thought of the Bold line as the traditional, powerhouse, corporate phone. The 9800 doesn't give me that impression.