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Posted by zensen Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

this will definitely be my new phone. I really like the new interface and the fantastic new browser. the hybrid is just what i wanted with the bold after always wanting to touch the 9000 screen :)

bring out a form factor like the 9000 and I would consider that too!

I was a bit worried it would be top heavy like some certain slider phones but i big fan of slider phones in this form factor tho, since I've owned 2 already.

I'm disappointed that the cpu does not do open gl as I feel this could really explode the app world market in regards to casual gaming but alas isnt that what Nintendo DS and PSPs are for?

I like the in-depth review and certain parts really stand out. the inclusion of the cpu really does mean the blackberry os is quite a lot faster than android and the gut filling i0S 4. but that doesn't excuse them of using older tech but when you think about it, how far are you willing to sacrifice battery life with a faster cpu?

I'd love to know if the camera recording features allows for the led light to be on during the night. A little disappointed it wasn't able to keep up with the competition in regards to hd video, not a big deal esp if you have a pocketable hd camera but again having one means you could leave one at home :P

i love the images of how you can use the touch screen and photo comparisons and the fact they are bring the multimedia capabilities to the foreground. Would like to know if they are allowing us to save apps to the memory card?

i do like the storm surepress touchscreen features and they should bring out another. I can envison another torch update in a touch only form (without surepress) to appease other users.

This phone has been in the planning stage since 2008 apparently and so im sure they are kicking it to build the next one.

finally, like you said any slowdowns you experience may get quick update esp with certain apps apparently not performing as well as they should

 
 
Posted by gatorboi352 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

Can't wait for the Storm 3 and it's Surepress to blow this AT&T crapfest out of the water.

 
 
Posted by PineappleUnderTheSea Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

I agree that the phone seems to be a better experience than my 9700,especially with the new touchscreen. I always thought the 9700 was a good phone, kinda got the job done--that is, until I finally got to play around with an iPhone and Android 2 weeks ago, and realized that the 9700 is just an email machine with a horrible slow browser and horrible apps. Never knew what I was missing.

If this new phone can breach the gap between Apple/Android, then it has already won in retaining business users. But I can tell you right now, based on video comparisons I am seeing all over the Internets, there's no way I would buy one of these for personal use, it's not quite ready for prime-time.

 
 
Posted by cblova Friday, Sep 03, 2010 518 days ago

I really like your review and I can't wait to get one myself!

Thanks!

 
 
Posted by cardu3851 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

How long were you working on that review for?! Great work!

 
 
Posted by SIRPEDRO83 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

I work the "magenta T" I want this phone really bad! Ill have to talk to my cousin and see if she loves me enough to add me as a second line to her account just so I can get it. ;) LOL! I'm very happy with my 9700 for now. Ill be looking forward to Tmo releasing 6.0 for it or at least get the 9780

 
 
Posted by datta72 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

It'd be nice if every other carrier released a statement to let people know if they are or are not getting something similar to this phone. I'm not switching to at&t for this nor do I wanna shell out $400+ for this on the 12th, just to find out TMO or Sprint is getting their version within 3 months

 
 
Posted by fabs109 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

hurry up and release the one for sprint!!

 
 
Posted by six4seven Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Great review!!

But I really hate this phone.

Bring on the 9900 already, RIM. Touch-screen bold with no track-pad.

 
 
Posted by hurricane89 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

I'm a Bold 9000 owner on AT&T...my first and only blackberry device. Before that was an iPhone3G. My two year contract expired on July 18th. I resisted an upgrade to the iPhone4 pending the launch of this phone. I was filled with childlike Christmas morning excitement in anticipation of this device. Sad to say I was so disappointed. Screen resolution/size and processor speed did it to me. Just to think I could've long been enjoying my iPhone4.

And upgrading to this phone would be $60 cheaper than an iPhone4 16GB. AT&T is giving me an extra $50 off and no upgrade fee on any handset except an iPhone.

 
 
Posted by JasW Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

The screen resolution and processor speed have been well known for a couple of months now. Just to think you could have been enjoying your iPhone 4 if only you had the wherewithal to do a modicum of reading here on CB.

 
 
Posted by surrealsounds Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Kevin, you've done a absolutely GREAT job on this review. This is quite possibly the most detailed and , MOST IMPORTANTLY, unbiased review I've seen running around the net. Engadget's review is PURE, fresh from the anus BULLSHIT. Their highly noticeable and apparent fanboy-ism shows greatly in both their first impressions and the review itself. The more I see crap like that, the least I want to spend my time on their site. And Gizmodo, who I could usually trust more for a honest opinion, had someone who wrote less like a tech analyst and more like a 14 year kid, was no better. It's a shame how true journalism is dying.

Either way, this phone may not be the "whatever"-killer, but it is leaps and bounds from what RIM have come from, and it's a sign of better things to come.

Now, about that Storm3....

 
 
Posted by onelowvoltage Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

When compared to any other Blackberry phones, this phone is good. When compared to an iphone or an android phone, it falls short. It all goes back to comparing apples to blackberries, one is primarly an entertainment device and one is primarly an information device. Kevin compared it more to communication devices, previous blackberries, whereas everybody else compares it to all smartphone devices. Bottom line, if you're a blackberry user, you will love it, if you're coming from an iphone or an android device, you will probably find it lacking and unable to give you that new tow orgasm that you're looking for.

 
 
Posted by surrealsounds Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

I never made any insinuation about it being better or worse than an iPhone/Android phone. Hell, I didn't even mention it in the initial post. Quite honesty, you just added on to the point that I made at the end of the post. I'm was talking more along the line of Engadget/Gizmodo seemingly ripping the phone a new asshole and reading the biased opinions that lie therein. All I asked for was more fair reviews. But seeing how this is the internet after all, maybe that's asking for too much.

 
 
Posted by onelowvoltage Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

That's kinda where I was coming from. Asking for a fair, unbiased opinion from somebody who is a fan of either iphone or android, (granted, I'm just assuming they are) is too much to ask. I think when I read their reviews, I have that thought in the back of my mind. Which. now that I think about it, kind of defeats the purpose of the whole review process. Ok, I'm on your side, why can't we get good, fair and balanced reviews? I saw on CNBC crawl on Tuesday "OS 6 Fails to Impress" I didn't hear any of the pundits though.

 
 
Posted by ShortStakz Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

I disagree, I was a Bold 9000 then went to an Iphone 3GS and experienced nothing but agony with every click I made. The screen may be nicer and the device may be faster but I had tons of email and push issues, missed being able to listen to pandora while reading an email or playing games, and worse was their so called spell checking which didnt even come into play until their 4.0 update. Even with all their patches, I have never been more excited to drop a phone for this phone. I'll be a guinea pig and deal with the enevitable issues that are bound to arise with a new OS but i'll atleast be able to read my emails in a timely manner!

 
 
Posted by Twigs Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

I've been a loyal blackberry user for over 4 years. I've had most of their "flagship" devices. The 8830, Storm 1 and Bold 9700.

However RIM has been failing as an innovator. Their phones used to be innovative. They pushed the market, but this Torch isn't even catch up. It can't even touch any of the top tier phones. I am a crazy Blackberry fanboy, but I couldn't sit around with their shitty browser, lackluster apps. I can't run out and spend $500 every 3 months for a new device that only matches the competition.

I stood in line for the iPhone 4 and I couldn't believe how many people there were switching from their BBs. I spoke to about 10-15 people around me and at least 10 were jumping ship.

Just look at the friggin video, how can a "flagship" phone have lag when scrolling?? How can you possibly not even get scrolling to work smoothly. Every other top tier phone has gotten that right.

The only thing that RIM does right, and I do miss it, is the messaging, but even then Engadget got it right when talking about the messed up inboxes. Sure Engadget is a pro apple site, but they make very very valid points.

While guy here on crackberry.com writes about how its fine because its so much better than the last OS, even though its still leaps and bounds behind the competition.

In this day and age when you have phones that can take HD video, act as wifi hubs, have video calling over 3g, and millions of apps. RIM has definitely failed. I'm glad I got rid of those stocks.

 
 
Posted by NoahFecks Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

"In this day and age when you have phones that can take HD video, act as wifi hubs, have video calling over 3g, and millions of apps. RIM has definitely failed."

It was SMART for RIM not to include all that extra garbage that the majority of people will NEVER use, it just makes it a more reliable PHONE.

 
 
Posted by Twigs Friday, Aug 06, 2010 546 days ago

This would be a valid argument if the Torch was a reliable phone. However as you can clearly see in the videos posted on not only this site but multiple other sites, the Torch is clearly an unreliable phone. When you poke at the screen and nothing happens and need multiple touches to start something then that is called unreliability. When the OS loaded on the phone pushes the processing power of the phone doing the most basic tasks then that is also called unreliability.

I'm not saying the iPhone is scot free as well. It has antenna problems and whatnot, but even then it is more reliable than the Torch and it comes with nearly all those features that I listed in my last comment.

 
 
Posted by ShoshiOne Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 530 days ago

Same as you ShortStakz. I had a Curve then switched to an iPhone 3GS 32gig. While there are some amazing features on the iphone, there are just too many problems and frustrations that go with it. I am now back to Blackberry with the Torch and I love it!
My Rabbi also has an iphone 3GS and wishes he would have just stayed with his Palm Treo. The iPhone is not always king of the tech hill. :o)

 
 
Posted by b1gg134 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

LOL You did not just say unbiased review! Between that comment and saying you trust Jizzmodo made your whole post a laugh fest.

But its funny when an article is the opinion you want to hear it is an unbiased great article but when it isn't the opinion you want its biased and childlike.

 
 
Posted by b1gg134 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

double clicking on the post comment button for the fail

 
 
Posted by uf_gators Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

whoopdy freaking do ! only the s**ty carriers are getting this phone. What da H*ll ? att,sprint,tmobile, all suck ,as for data and signal dependancy wise. and RIM does not give verizon this phone . No we get some friggin clam shell that looks like, the revampt motorolla star tack.... WTF.....

 
 
Posted by khager Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Did you read this review or just watch the videos? it explains why the *cough* crappy... (i love at&T!) carrier got it.

Don't hate. Tell verizon to get creative and call RIM :)

 
 
Posted by paa79594 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

Verizon got CREATIVE when it stopped giving a hoot about BlackBerry and started successfully pushing Android devices...

 
 
Posted by 318sugarhill Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

I was a VZW bb Fanboy once. Loved ky curve but was annoyed when bold was out for other carriers and I was still rocking 2 or 3 year old technology. Then came the tour, which I loved compared to the 8330 but there is my point, compared to. My buddy got the MOTO Droid and I realized how behind my "new" phone was. Made the switch to Droid incredible and couldn't be happier. When I see and here about OS 6 all I can think about is how this needed be out last year. It's a shame to see how RIM ignored their users and focused on selling devices to 3rd world countries.

 
 
Posted by MADBRADNYC Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

"It's a shame to see how RIM ignored their users and focused on selling devices to 3rd world countries."

Now look how RIM is being treated by them now!!! These countries only seem to want to crack codes and want RIM to open the gates for them.

Too much time wasted trying to open up new markets that now want to shut them down...
$.02

 
 
Posted by BluCheze Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Read Giz's review and they completely trashed the 9800 and they had good arguments for it. I am sorry to say this but i will not be upgrading after reading their review. Kevin's review seems to be much more positive( hence, its crackberry) but i dont see any direct recommendations to RIM. This review seems to tip e toe around the real issues RIM faces. The screen is crap. really. slow processor omg, crap too. I really feel they shot themselves in the foot with this phone. Yeah corporate blah blah blah. Cant believe they put together recycled parts.
I really like RIM and i want them to do well, but they are not listening to us.
I think my next phone will be the Captivate.

 
 
Posted by shane579 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

I prefer the slightly slower rim that uses 1/3 less data as opposed to its competitors.

 
 
Posted by onelowvoltage Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

It just sucks that it's not on Verizon.

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

This phone is Blah...there is no wow factor. The palm Pre did the form factor and OS better.

Maybe the storm 3 will be the true second coming.

 
 
Posted by bb_forever Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

You obviously didn't own a Pre if you think their form factor was solid. Sure it's the same sliding position, but the build quality is far beyond that of Palm. Can't speak to the OS as I've yet to try it, and neither have you. Enjoy your 20 pound HTC and it's Samsung screen which will no doubt become less effective when you drop that thing a bazillion times...

 
 
Posted by b1gg134 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

You just ripped him for speaking about something he has no hands on knowledge of and you, go on to, admit you have no hands on knowledge of it either.

Please just go upstairs, sit next to your mommy and watch iCarly or whatever disney show is on now.

 
 
Posted by Bigbusa1 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Well done review. It answered a lot of my questions that were roaming around in my head. This phone looks fantastic and I can't wait to try it out. I love BB and they had to do something good which I think they did. I can't wait till the 12th and again thank yoyou very much.

 
 
Posted by paa79594 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

"they had to do something good" You call this good? You've never owned an iPhone or Android device then, because this certainly isn't "good".

Unless, your definition of good is a lot worse than what I believe it is.

 
 
Posted by coaltowking Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

If you want to talk to someone who owned an iPhone, I bought a new iPhone and brought it back a few days later, because it is sh*t!!! I did the same thing with the orignal iPhone when it first came out, only to trade it for a motorola slider (it wasn't even a slider, but it was better than the iPhone) The iPhone may look pretty, but who needs HD on a phone's tiny screen. The iPhone and newer androids may have faster proccessors, but they need all that power to run their sluggish OSs. All in all, the iPhone is a toy that looks good because of numbers, whereas Blackberries are meant to be used not just shown off or displayed

 
 
Posted by serpico Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Reviews are so mixed on this device that it makes me not care. It's like a little too late for RIM to bring this out and OS6. I can only see this being a great upgrade for existing blackberry users who have no intention to leave the camp. Everything about this device and OS does not make me want to come back to the camp. Glad I left to Android and my Nexus One.

 
 
Posted by Mindo Saturday, Aug 07, 2010 545 days ago

How do you like the n1s crap touch sensitivity? Or crap soft butons? Or how about its slippy slidey fall out of your hand feel? Trackball sensitivity? What about scroll lag? You know its real, so dont bitch on a phone you haven't even tried yet when your precious n1 is no better and far less usable.

 
 
Posted by craigr127 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Will the screen go off if you slide into a case just like the 9700 and turn on when you pull it out like most other blackberries do?

 
 
Posted by jbalanski Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Kevin an absolutely first class review!!!

For those of you who are looking to purchase another manufacturers product...go comment in their sites.

I will be buying this phone!

Again good job!

 
 
Posted by kennyiceberry Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

Indeed. Kevin proves himself as a class act as a journalist - did anyone look at the CNET review? That's good, but this one is a much bigger better and considered package with video and text. It enables me to make up my mind NOT to buy the phone. However it's not without a twinge of regret that I make that decision. RIM is a good [i.e., 'morally', relatively speaking] company and they make excellent communications tools for businesses. However I don't want to personally live without a decent, modern browsing experience - both in my personal and professional lives [and I'm in the business of communication too, professionally]. Nor do I want to deal with the risk of the modest processor not being able to keep up with any additions that I might want to make to the applications list during the couple of years that I and the device will have to co-exist. If I could combine the 'ready-for-anything' power of a high-end Android device, with the communications prowess of even a BlackBerry with moderate specs, I'd be happy. But I can't, so I'll just have to find a good deal on an Evo 3G and look at RIM's offering again in a couple of years.

 
 
Posted by hodad200 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

compared to bull$^%&. (quote from tenacious d). seriously RIM, i've been faithful. I love the email and messaging capabilities. but there is no excuse for a lackluster screen, processor, etc. and with the $200 price point offering heavy hitters, i don't see how you can convince people to re-up a contract for this?

i've held on to my bold 9000 for as long as possible, but unfortunately it looks like i'll be jumping ship. i am bummed.

 
 
Posted by The_Adventist Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Great points Kevin! You are so right that the 9800 is far superior to the 9700.

I am so glad you are happy with your new 9800.

Email me when you have all your stuff transfered over from your white 9700 to your 9800 and I'll take your white 9700 off your hands. You don't need it. I'll be doing you a favor.

Don't worry, I'll pay the shipping from Winnipeg to Ontario. It's the least I can do to help you out.

Thanks Kevin.

 
 
Posted by Jude526 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

I am with Verizon and just got my new Bold which I love.
But still, in awe of this device that will be on AT&T Impressive. I like the new OS and the webkit and I am excited to see it come to my device.

Your review was great. I know those who have AT&T will love this device just like I love mine. I am glad RIM has finally come to give us better browsing and OS. I love BB.

 
 
Posted by Pelvir Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Does anyone know what the holster is in the accessory picture?

 
 
Posted by dave0holla Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

i was thinking the same thing, and it's not in the CB store either!

 
 
Posted by ShortStakz Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

on BGR's website they displayed an otterbox for the 9800 in one of their pictures. Obviously thats not what this is but it would be more durable and has a belt attatchment for those who want it.

 
 
Posted by dave0holla Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 547 days ago

I saw the picture you were referring to, and there is a sign for outterbox, but they also have the same holster in this case that was seen in this review. to be honest with you, i can barely make out how the otterbox case looks.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/?gallery=50&pid=737

 
 
Posted by imranz Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Great review, Kevin! I'm going to get this one soon ;)

 
 
Posted by Rockdog97 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 548 days ago

Review you guys.. action packed with loads of great information and details, details, details..

Like most things new, well except when the 9000 was introduced, i'll wait till it goes through it's growing pains before jumping on the first issue.. but suffice it to say, this will most likely be my next phone.