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Posted by zensen Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

this will definitely be my new phone. I really like the new interface and the fantastic new browser. the hybrid is just what i wanted with the bold after always wanting to touch the 9000 screen :)

bring out a form factor like the 9000 and I would consider that too!

I was a bit worried it would be top heavy like some certain slider phones but i big fan of slider phones in this form factor tho, since I've owned 2 already.

I'm disappointed that the cpu does not do open gl as I feel this could really explode the app world market in regards to casual gaming but alas isnt that what Nintendo DS and PSPs are for?

I like the in-depth review and certain parts really stand out. the inclusion of the cpu really does mean the blackberry os is quite a lot faster than android and the gut filling i0S 4. but that doesn't excuse them of using older tech but when you think about it, how far are you willing to sacrifice battery life with a faster cpu?

I'd love to know if the camera recording features allows for the led light to be on during the night. A little disappointed it wasn't able to keep up with the competition in regards to hd video, not a big deal esp if you have a pocketable hd camera but again having one means you could leave one at home :P

i love the images of how you can use the touch screen and photo comparisons and the fact they are bring the multimedia capabilities to the foreground. Would like to know if they are allowing us to save apps to the memory card?

i do like the storm surepress touchscreen features and they should bring out another. I can envison another torch update in a touch only form (without surepress) to appease other users.

This phone has been in the planning stage since 2008 apparently and so im sure they are kicking it to build the next one.

finally, like you said any slowdowns you experience may get quick update esp with certain apps apparently not performing as well as they should

 
 
Posted by gatorboi352 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Can't wait for the Storm 3 and it's Surepress to blow this AT&T crapfest out of the water.

 
 
Posted by PineappleUnderTheSea Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

I agree that the phone seems to be a better experience than my 9700,especially with the new touchscreen. I always thought the 9700 was a good phone, kinda got the job done--that is, until I finally got to play around with an iPhone and Android 2 weeks ago, and realized that the 9700 is just an email machine with a horrible slow browser and horrible apps. Never knew what I was missing.

If this new phone can breach the gap between Apple/Android, then it has already won in retaining business users. But I can tell you right now, based on video comparisons I am seeing all over the Internets, there's no way I would buy one of these for personal use, it's not quite ready for prime-time.

 
 
Posted by cblova Friday, Sep 03, 2010 628 days ago

I really like your review and I can't wait to get one myself!

Thanks!

 
 
Posted by cardu3851 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

How long were you working on that review for?! Great work!

 
 
Posted by SIRPEDRO83 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

I work the "magenta T" I want this phone really bad! Ill have to talk to my cousin and see if she loves me enough to add me as a second line to her account just so I can get it. ;) LOL! I'm very happy with my 9700 for now. Ill be looking forward to Tmo releasing 6.0 for it or at least get the 9780

 
 
Posted by datta72 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

It'd be nice if every other carrier released a statement to let people know if they are or are not getting something similar to this phone. I'm not switching to at&t for this nor do I wanna shell out $400+ for this on the 12th, just to find out TMO or Sprint is getting their version within 3 months

 
 
Posted by fabs109 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

hurry up and release the one for sprint!!

 
 
Posted by six4seven Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Great review!!

But I really hate this phone.

Bring on the 9900 already, RIM. Touch-screen bold with no track-pad.

 
 
Posted by hurricane89 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

I'm a Bold 9000 owner on AT&T...my first and only blackberry device. Before that was an iPhone3G. My two year contract expired on July 18th. I resisted an upgrade to the iPhone4 pending the launch of this phone. I was filled with childlike Christmas morning excitement in anticipation of this device. Sad to say I was so disappointed. Screen resolution/size and processor speed did it to me. Just to think I could've long been enjoying my iPhone4.

And upgrading to this phone would be $60 cheaper than an iPhone4 16GB. AT&T is giving me an extra $50 off and no upgrade fee on any handset except an iPhone.

 
 
Posted by JasW Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

The screen resolution and processor speed have been well known for a couple of months now. Just to think you could have been enjoying your iPhone 4 if only you had the wherewithal to do a modicum of reading here on CB.

 
 
Posted by surrealsounds Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Kevin, you've done a absolutely GREAT job on this review. This is quite possibly the most detailed and , MOST IMPORTANTLY, unbiased review I've seen running around the net. Engadget's review is PURE, fresh from the anus BULLSHIT. Their highly noticeable and apparent fanboy-ism shows greatly in both their first impressions and the review itself. The more I see crap like that, the least I want to spend my time on their site. And Gizmodo, who I could usually trust more for a honest opinion, had someone who wrote less like a tech analyst and more like a 14 year kid, was no better. It's a shame how true journalism is dying.

Either way, this phone may not be the "whatever"-killer, but it is leaps and bounds from what RIM have come from, and it's a sign of better things to come.

Now, about that Storm3....

 
 
Posted by onelowvoltage Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

When compared to any other Blackberry phones, this phone is good. When compared to an iphone or an android phone, it falls short. It all goes back to comparing apples to blackberries, one is primarly an entertainment device and one is primarly an information device. Kevin compared it more to communication devices, previous blackberries, whereas everybody else compares it to all smartphone devices. Bottom line, if you're a blackberry user, you will love it, if you're coming from an iphone or an android device, you will probably find it lacking and unable to give you that new tow orgasm that you're looking for.

 
 
Posted by surrealsounds Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

I never made any insinuation about it being better or worse than an iPhone/Android phone. Hell, I didn't even mention it in the initial post. Quite honesty, you just added on to the point that I made at the end of the post. I'm was talking more along the line of Engadget/Gizmodo seemingly ripping the phone a new asshole and reading the biased opinions that lie therein. All I asked for was more fair reviews. But seeing how this is the internet after all, maybe that's asking for too much.

 
 
Posted by onelowvoltage Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

That's kinda where I was coming from. Asking for a fair, unbiased opinion from somebody who is a fan of either iphone or android, (granted, I'm just assuming they are) is too much to ask. I think when I read their reviews, I have that thought in the back of my mind. Which. now that I think about it, kind of defeats the purpose of the whole review process. Ok, I'm on your side, why can't we get good, fair and balanced reviews? I saw on CNBC crawl on Tuesday "OS 6 Fails to Impress" I didn't hear any of the pundits though.

 
 
Posted by ShortStakz Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I disagree, I was a Bold 9000 then went to an Iphone 3GS and experienced nothing but agony with every click I made. The screen may be nicer and the device may be faster but I had tons of email and push issues, missed being able to listen to pandora while reading an email or playing games, and worse was their so called spell checking which didnt even come into play until their 4.0 update. Even with all their patches, I have never been more excited to drop a phone for this phone. I'll be a guinea pig and deal with the enevitable issues that are bound to arise with a new OS but i'll atleast be able to read my emails in a timely manner!

 
 
Posted by Twigs Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I've been a loyal blackberry user for over 4 years. I've had most of their "flagship" devices. The 8830, Storm 1 and Bold 9700.

However RIM has been failing as an innovator. Their phones used to be innovative. They pushed the market, but this Torch isn't even catch up. It can't even touch any of the top tier phones. I am a crazy Blackberry fanboy, but I couldn't sit around with their shitty browser, lackluster apps. I can't run out and spend $500 every 3 months for a new device that only matches the competition.

I stood in line for the iPhone 4 and I couldn't believe how many people there were switching from their BBs. I spoke to about 10-15 people around me and at least 10 were jumping ship.

Just look at the friggin video, how can a "flagship" phone have lag when scrolling?? How can you possibly not even get scrolling to work smoothly. Every other top tier phone has gotten that right.

The only thing that RIM does right, and I do miss it, is the messaging, but even then Engadget got it right when talking about the messed up inboxes. Sure Engadget is a pro apple site, but they make very very valid points.

While guy here on crackberry.com writes about how its fine because its so much better than the last OS, even though its still leaps and bounds behind the competition.

In this day and age when you have phones that can take HD video, act as wifi hubs, have video calling over 3g, and millions of apps. RIM has definitely failed. I'm glad I got rid of those stocks.

 
 
Posted by NoahFecks Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

"In this day and age when you have phones that can take HD video, act as wifi hubs, have video calling over 3g, and millions of apps. RIM has definitely failed."

It was SMART for RIM not to include all that extra garbage that the majority of people will NEVER use, it just makes it a more reliable PHONE.

 
 
Posted by Twigs Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

This would be a valid argument if the Torch was a reliable phone. However as you can clearly see in the videos posted on not only this site but multiple other sites, the Torch is clearly an unreliable phone. When you poke at the screen and nothing happens and need multiple touches to start something then that is called unreliability. When the OS loaded on the phone pushes the processing power of the phone doing the most basic tasks then that is also called unreliability.

I'm not saying the iPhone is scot free as well. It has antenna problems and whatnot, but even then it is more reliable than the Torch and it comes with nearly all those features that I listed in my last comment.

 
 
Posted by ShoshiOne Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 640 days ago

Same as you ShortStakz. I had a Curve then switched to an iPhone 3GS 32gig. While there are some amazing features on the iphone, there are just too many problems and frustrations that go with it. I am now back to Blackberry with the Torch and I love it!
My Rabbi also has an iphone 3GS and wishes he would have just stayed with his Palm Treo. The iPhone is not always king of the tech hill. :o)

 
 
Posted by b1gg134 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

LOL You did not just say unbiased review! Between that comment and saying you trust Jizzmodo made your whole post a laugh fest.

But its funny when an article is the opinion you want to hear it is an unbiased great article but when it isn't the opinion you want its biased and childlike.

 
 
Posted by b1gg134 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

double clicking on the post comment button for the fail

 
 
Posted by uf_gators Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

whoopdy freaking do ! only the s**ty carriers are getting this phone. What da H*ll ? att,sprint,tmobile, all suck ,as for data and signal dependancy wise. and RIM does not give verizon this phone . No we get some friggin clam shell that looks like, the revampt motorolla star tack.... WTF.....

 
 
Posted by khager Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Did you read this review or just watch the videos? it explains why the *cough* crappy... (i love at&T!) carrier got it.

Don't hate. Tell verizon to get creative and call RIM :)

 
 
Posted by paa79594 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Verizon got CREATIVE when it stopped giving a hoot about BlackBerry and started successfully pushing Android devices...

 
 
Posted by 318sugarhill Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I was a VZW bb Fanboy once. Loved ky curve but was annoyed when bold was out for other carriers and I was still rocking 2 or 3 year old technology. Then came the tour, which I loved compared to the 8330 but there is my point, compared to. My buddy got the MOTO Droid and I realized how behind my "new" phone was. Made the switch to Droid incredible and couldn't be happier. When I see and here about OS 6 all I can think about is how this needed be out last year. It's a shame to see how RIM ignored their users and focused on selling devices to 3rd world countries.

 
 
Posted by MADBRADNYC Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

"It's a shame to see how RIM ignored their users and focused on selling devices to 3rd world countries."

Now look how RIM is being treated by them now!!! These countries only seem to want to crack codes and want RIM to open the gates for them.

Too much time wasted trying to open up new markets that now want to shut them down...
$.02

 
 
Posted by BluCheze Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Read Giz's review and they completely trashed the 9800 and they had good arguments for it. I am sorry to say this but i will not be upgrading after reading their review. Kevin's review seems to be much more positive( hence, its crackberry) but i dont see any direct recommendations to RIM. This review seems to tip e toe around the real issues RIM faces. The screen is crap. really. slow processor omg, crap too. I really feel they shot themselves in the foot with this phone. Yeah corporate blah blah blah. Cant believe they put together recycled parts.
I really like RIM and i want them to do well, but they are not listening to us.
I think my next phone will be the Captivate.

 
 
Posted by shane579 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

I prefer the slightly slower rim that uses 1/3 less data as opposed to its competitors.

 
 
Posted by onelowvoltage Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

It just sucks that it's not on Verizon.

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

This phone is Blah...there is no wow factor. The palm Pre did the form factor and OS better.

Maybe the storm 3 will be the true second coming.

 
 
Posted by bb_forever Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

You obviously didn't own a Pre if you think their form factor was solid. Sure it's the same sliding position, but the build quality is far beyond that of Palm. Can't speak to the OS as I've yet to try it, and neither have you. Enjoy your 20 pound HTC and it's Samsung screen which will no doubt become less effective when you drop that thing a bazillion times...

 
 
Posted by b1gg134 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

You just ripped him for speaking about something he has no hands on knowledge of and you, go on to, admit you have no hands on knowledge of it either.

Please just go upstairs, sit next to your mommy and watch iCarly or whatever disney show is on now.

 
 
Posted by Bigbusa1 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Well done review. It answered a lot of my questions that were roaming around in my head. This phone looks fantastic and I can't wait to try it out. I love BB and they had to do something good which I think they did. I can't wait till the 12th and again thank yoyou very much.

 
 
Posted by paa79594 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

"they had to do something good" You call this good? You've never owned an iPhone or Android device then, because this certainly isn't "good".

Unless, your definition of good is a lot worse than what I believe it is.

 
 
Posted by coaltowking Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

If you want to talk to someone who owned an iPhone, I bought a new iPhone and brought it back a few days later, because it is sh*t!!! I did the same thing with the orignal iPhone when it first came out, only to trade it for a motorola slider (it wasn't even a slider, but it was better than the iPhone) The iPhone may look pretty, but who needs HD on a phone's tiny screen. The iPhone and newer androids may have faster proccessors, but they need all that power to run their sluggish OSs. All in all, the iPhone is a toy that looks good because of numbers, whereas Blackberries are meant to be used not just shown off or displayed

 
 
Posted by serpico Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Reviews are so mixed on this device that it makes me not care. It's like a little too late for RIM to bring this out and OS6. I can only see this being a great upgrade for existing blackberry users who have no intention to leave the camp. Everything about this device and OS does not make me want to come back to the camp. Glad I left to Android and my Nexus One.

 
 
Posted by Mindo Saturday, Aug 07, 2010 655 days ago

How do you like the n1s crap touch sensitivity? Or crap soft butons? Or how about its slippy slidey fall out of your hand feel? Trackball sensitivity? What about scroll lag? You know its real, so dont bitch on a phone you haven't even tried yet when your precious n1 is no better and far less usable.

 
 
Posted by craigr127 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Will the screen go off if you slide into a case just like the 9700 and turn on when you pull it out like most other blackberries do?

 
 
Posted by jbalanski Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Kevin an absolutely first class review!!!

For those of you who are looking to purchase another manufacturers product...go comment in their sites.

I will be buying this phone!

Again good job!

 
 
Posted by kennyiceberry Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Indeed. Kevin proves himself as a class act as a journalist - did anyone look at the CNET review? That's good, but this one is a much bigger better and considered package with video and text. It enables me to make up my mind NOT to buy the phone. However it's not without a twinge of regret that I make that decision. RIM is a good [i.e., 'morally', relatively speaking] company and they make excellent communications tools for businesses. However I don't want to personally live without a decent, modern browsing experience - both in my personal and professional lives [and I'm in the business of communication too, professionally]. Nor do I want to deal with the risk of the modest processor not being able to keep up with any additions that I might want to make to the applications list during the couple of years that I and the device will have to co-exist. If I could combine the 'ready-for-anything' power of a high-end Android device, with the communications prowess of even a BlackBerry with moderate specs, I'd be happy. But I can't, so I'll just have to find a good deal on an Evo 3G and look at RIM's offering again in a couple of years.

 
 
Posted by hodad200 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

compared to bull$^%&. (quote from tenacious d). seriously RIM, i've been faithful. I love the email and messaging capabilities. but there is no excuse for a lackluster screen, processor, etc. and with the $200 price point offering heavy hitters, i don't see how you can convince people to re-up a contract for this?

i've held on to my bold 9000 for as long as possible, but unfortunately it looks like i'll be jumping ship. i am bummed.

 
 
Posted by The_Adventist Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Great points Kevin! You are so right that the 9800 is far superior to the 9700.

I am so glad you are happy with your new 9800.

Email me when you have all your stuff transfered over from your white 9700 to your 9800 and I'll take your white 9700 off your hands. You don't need it. I'll be doing you a favor.

Don't worry, I'll pay the shipping from Winnipeg to Ontario. It's the least I can do to help you out.

Thanks Kevin.

 
 
Posted by Jude526 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

I am with Verizon and just got my new Bold which I love.
But still, in awe of this device that will be on AT&T Impressive. I like the new OS and the webkit and I am excited to see it come to my device.

Your review was great. I know those who have AT&T will love this device just like I love mine. I am glad RIM has finally come to give us better browsing and OS. I love BB.

 
 
Posted by Pelvir Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Does anyone know what the holster is in the accessory picture?

 
 
Posted by dave0holla Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

i was thinking the same thing, and it's not in the CB store either!

 
 
Posted by ShortStakz Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

on BGR's website they displayed an otterbox for the 9800 in one of their pictures. Obviously thats not what this is but it would be more durable and has a belt attatchment for those who want it.

 
 
Posted by dave0holla Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I saw the picture you were referring to, and there is a sign for outterbox, but they also have the same holster in this case that was seen in this review. to be honest with you, i can barely make out how the otterbox case looks.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/?gallery=50&pid=737

 
 
Posted by imranz Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Great review, Kevin! I'm going to get this one soon ;)

 
 
Posted by Rockdog97 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Review you guys.. action packed with loads of great information and details, details, details..

Like most things new, well except when the 9000 was introduced, i'll wait till it goes through it's growing pains before jumping on the first issue.. but suffice it to say, this will most likely be my next phone.

 
 
Posted by mattvait Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

want the phone more then ever now, but i will not get stuck on the spotty at&t network let me tell ya. guess i'll just have to buy it off ebay! lol

 
 
Posted by ron87 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

The only people who like this phone are Blackberry loyalists. I've had Windows Mobile, Blackberry, and now Android and I can say this phone isnt up to par with what's already out there on the market. It's slow and doesnt have a wow factor. 9800=FAIL!

 
 
Posted by KiDPaul Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

Really dude? You read this entire article knowing that you hate Blackberry's and you love your Android just to tell us that "YOU" think this phone is a fail?
I'll tell you what YOUR A FAIL for posting here. Go to an Android site and post your thoughts there.

Have A Nice Day :D

 
 
Posted by Mrbrewsta Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

I must say I am disappointed also with the 9800 phone, all the hardware and software are very nice but just like anything its only as good as its brains, and the brains are a processor that was fast last year, video recording that is sub-par to a phone released 3 months before it, small on board memory, and screen resolution that's just as good as the last touch screen release, I think rim is releasing this phone to sell black berry 6 and not everything else, so they release their new software with the first blackberry slider, a very smart move looking from a business perspective. But a slap in the face to the loyal black berry customers who want to see blackberry on top again (especially after android took there stop in sales) and a kick in the ass to all of us who have been on the fence about switching over to android.... WE CAN ALWAYS DEPEND ON THE STORM 3 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 
 
Posted by ReccaKun Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

yes processor is at 624MHz, screen resolution is only at 480 x 360 and onboard memory is 512MB.... we lack in cpu power and screen resolution but interms of onboard memory its on par with every other phone out there including IPHONE4... i could really careless about screen resolution as long as what i'm seeing on my screen is nice and crisp.. even on my bold 9000 i have no complain on my screen res. watching play back on my bold 9000 is never really a problem as long as u know how to encode it properly... even if u have a 720p res thats been encoded incorrectly it won't come out crisp and clear.

 
 
Posted by Obmutescence Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Kevin, actually they did put Phone Options under Device Options underneath Call Management. I know they didn't put stuff like messages in there but thought I'd point it out.

 
 
Posted by D_March Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Kevin you really went all out to present a really extensive review. I'm impressed. No other site took this kind of time or detail. A really great job. I'm loving OS 6 as well.

 
 
Posted by shacknews Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

You did an excellent job at the review. If only RIM added a bit faster CPU and a higher resolution screen, and I would wait for this phone.

Its still a good phone, but with all the competition out there, its a loss for them.

Galaxy S For The Win. August 7, coming to Bell.

 
 
Posted by cicis Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Kevin, have you tried the threaded messages feature in BlackBerry 6? You can enable it from Messages Options -> Display style set to "Group by Subject".

 
 
Posted by josh05 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

This is the kind of blackberry I've been waiting for; A touch screen with a physical keyboard and a competitive browser to go with it. This device and software is a clear indication that Rim is trying to appeal to the consumer market and I must say, I'm appealed.

 
 
Posted by josh05 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

This is the kind of blackberry I've been waiting for; A touch screen with a physical keyboard and a competitive browser to go with it. This device and software is a clear indication that Rim is trying to appeal to the consumer market and I must say, I'm appealed.

 
 
Posted by josh05 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

This is the kind of blackberry I've been waiting for; A touch screen with a physical keyboard and a competitive browser to go with it. This device and software is a clear indication that Rim is trying to appeal to the consumer market and I must say, I'm appealed.

 
 
Posted by josh05 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

This is the kind of blackberry I've been waiting for; A touch screen with a physical keyboard and a competitive browser to go with it. This device and software is a clear indication that Rim is trying to appeal to the consumer market and I must say, I'm appealed.

 
 
Posted by chrism583 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

Your review mentioned one thing I've been curious about. Do the SD cards and built-in memory combine or do they lay seperate from each other?

 
 
Posted by That70sGAdawg Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

The speaker quality vs the 9700 (more Bold 9000 "like"). Great News!!
I might just have to get used to a smaller (sliding) keyboard....

 
 
Posted by malicenfz Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 657 days ago

I love blackberry but they are falling way behind against the iphone and android devices. I have been waiting for a better updated blackberry device and I'm sorry to say this torch just doesn't cut it. I'm glad I jumped over to android with the captivate but as soon as RIM updates their phones with a better processor, more apps, and a better display at the very least, I would be happy to come back to blackberry again.

 
 
Posted by BBB78 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

So its not as fast as the Iphone4 yet, but it probably will be within the next few OS releases....or with a Hybrid

 
 
Posted by Cap_172R Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

can someone confirm this... isn't UMTS rated at around 384kbps? i mean all other 3G BlackBerry's from the Bold 9000 to date are HSDPA and 3.6mbps. Kevin any ideas? or am i missing something here...

 
 
Posted by ShortStakz Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I'll be the first in line to receive this phone at my local AT&T store so I can throw my apple in the trash. I have had nothing but problems with it from day one and will be happy to be a BB user for good!!

 
 
Posted by jvictor77 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Awesome job on the review Kevin - the depth and detail is amazing! In December it will be 24 months since I got my 9000. I wish Rogers let me have the 9800 sooner!

 
 
Posted by ChuckH0308 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Great review Kevin, but will you send me the Captivate when you're done with it? :)

More of what I expected from the 9800. It's a nice phone, but falls on it's face in a few places it shouldn't. It's a step up, but not the premium level device we expect from RIM. More like a nice LG or something. You said it best when you mentioned that it may get some upgrades as a "refresh" later. That's the RIM way these days; give it the minimum specs, try to get people to buy it, and then screw them a few months later with something that is what they could have done in the first place.

I'm still giving RIM until December to come up with something that is more impressive, or at least some plans for something. OS 6 looks great to me though, it's just the hardware that needs to catch up, IMO.

 
 
Posted by mykey2k Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

"That's the RIM way these days; give it the minimum specs, try to get people to buy it, and then screw them a few months later with something that is what they could have done in the first place."

How memories fade quick...

iPhone 4GB and 8GB first went on sale 29 June 2007.
iPhone 4GB was discontinued 05 Sept 2007 -- 2.5 months.
iPhone 8GB price was slashed by 33% on the same day.

iPhone 16GB released 05 February 2008, not even 8 months after initial launches.

iPhone 32GB released 19 June 2009, 16 months after 16GB.

Here's a news flash... Apple, RIM, Samsung, HTC, LG... they're all in business to make money.

No one complains when Apple releases new products that people feel they need to rush out to buy, eh?

 
 
Posted by justlaxin13 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Ok, i must admit, this was a very well written and very thorough review of the new blackberry device and system software. However, even after taking full stock of the fact that this in a blackberry site, this review is far to positive. Ill admit, i have not yet used the Torch. I used to have a blackberry bold 9000 and more or less loved it. Now,i've moved on from blackberry but that doesnt mean ive forgotten when they do exceptionally well, and what they needed to improve on. It appears that this new device, while address some issues, half-asses it and ignore many others. It takes blackberry into the modern smartphone world for sure, but putting this things low-res screen and 600 some mhz processor in the pool with the iphone (which i hate) and the Captivate (not to mention the other modern droid phones) is like leaving a seal in the polar bear enclosure. That, and the myriad levels of apparent redundancy in the OS is somewhat baffling. All this is not quite as baffling as how you guys at crackberry, despite clearly (and for good reason) being pro-berry people, could right such a positive review. Again, i have not had hands on time with the phone, so i could be way off base, but so far every other review i've read of this phone (most being seemingly non-partisan such as gizmodo and engaget) have largely been underwhelmed with this phone. With that said, after my largely positive experience with the bold 9000, i wish RIM all the best, i hope the prognosticators of their impending doom are off base and above all, i hope RIM can put out a device that will again grab my attention in the suddenly crowded feeding frenzy of super-phones. But, for the time being, the Torch is clearly not that phone.

 
 
Posted by Lindersss Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Hi!! Could you do a side-by-side comparison of all the blackberry devices? Bold's, Torch, Curves, Pearl, etc! It would be really nice to see how they shape all new to eachother. Physical-wise.

Thanks!

 
 
Posted by Timelessblur Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Man this makes me torn between getting the touch for my next phone or a Android phone. This might be something to keep me from leaving the crackberry world.

 
 
Posted by B_Eazy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

By the way, to everybody bashing on BB's, remember blackberry is still the number 1 phone in America and the number 2 world wide after Nokia! Yes iphone is rising and yes Android is rising fast! But let me know when they'll be number 1! Until than SHUT THE HELL UP!! Thank you.

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Adsoid is not really rising fast, is just a case of manufacturers changing to the android OS.

Example:

Let's say Samsung/Motorola/HTC were making 10 million devices one year with their own OS, the next year they switch to Android OS, all of the sudden you have 10 million "Android" devices being built and on the market. I wouldn't call that rising fast.

Android is "rising" faster only cuz it replaces previous OSes manufacturers were using.

 
 
Posted by ALpHa.Q.RoUgH Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

You do realize Android just past Blackberry as number 1 in the USA right?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/npd-android-is-now-top-selling-os-in-...

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Yes but only as OS, after you split that between all the manufacturers, Rim and Apple are still on top by far.

As I said, it's a matter of manufacturers simply choosing an ready made OS for their devices instead of developing their own.

And android phones are more advanced in hardware cuz that's all they have to compete against each other if they use the same software. Otherwise how would you differentiate them?

The manufacturers android devices are selling lots but what about their overall sales, have they increased?

 
 
Posted by DavidNC Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

The fact is there are 200,000 androids being activated a day now worldwide. Who cares if different carriers use the android OS it is awesum. Pffft ....Wait!! thats why RIM is the only one using its own OS and no one else is.Its so terrible it couldnt even win in the comp. not to mention the lousy resolution too. , hahahahaha you blackberry fan boy Didnt you watch the vids and read the review ,

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Lol, you really are clueless, can't even tell the difference between manufacturers and carriers. Next you're gonna tell me Microsoft sells more computers the Apple.

 
 
Posted by 318sugarhill Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Yes the manufacturers are using Android instead of their own OS, what you really mean is instead of Windows mobile. No manufacturers used their own OS for a smartphone other than Nokia and palm. So your argument holds no water. They wouldn't be selling that many devices without the Android OS. When people choose a smartphone, your choices are iPhone, blackberry, Android, palm, Nokia, or windows mobile. The fact that Android outsold blackberry is a big deal and shows how fast it is growing. It also shows how bb is losing marketshare as a third of all new Android users are for bb users. Me included. I loved my bb and bbm but overall device was lacking so I left. I continue to see outdated technology be released as new and is clear why more and more are jumping ship.

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

You're kidding right? All these manufacturers existed before android and they were selling phones. Do you think they still make all the basic phones but now a lot of androids on top of that? Most have changed to smartphones now.

Android is just OS, how long do you think before they'll run out of new hardware to invent at this rate and become exactly the same as each other?

Out of all one or two will come out winners, the rest will drop.

 
 
Posted by synthmole Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Epic review Kevin, you outdid yourself.

I hope you can try and explain a little on how easy it is to use the device only with the trackpad. This would give an indication for how OS6 works on non-touch devices.

Again, thanks for the awesome review!

 
 
Posted by LyndellKell Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

This is death I'm so disappointed you can't even take joy in the OS and all the huge ups because they release a phone that can't handel it they NEED to put out the STORM 3 way erly with; one ghz processor, N receiver, HD screen, 1 gig ram(for us to feel safe), 4 gigs on board and a 4 gb micro sd and I'm sorry but leather back. Or else one one will pay 200 bucks and be locked down for 2 years. this phone is crap that slide show almost made me sick to I saw it after all the reviews and they make it look like it runs it like its supposed to... But wow what could a company be thinking o we have the EVO, Iphone 4 and the torch... slider... :( wow wow wow I know Kevin you are trying to save BB but my god this is sick how could you hold a press conference, put big black and blue roman columns in at&t stores all for an OS and release a slider... Again slider... That can't even run it what's wrong with this company? They want apple to buy them they obviously can't keep up... Because they don't think ahead they relase 50 devices all missing some kind of piece... Apple releases one powerhouse every year rim needs to ditch this CURVE and Torch bull and go with only the Bold, Pearl and Storm drop them all at the same time every year "([WITH THE SAME SPECS!!!])" If the wanna compete they can't beat droid on the always new always different front they need to seem smart and organized with the fastest most efficient phones but right now they just look like a company trying to stay afloat by cheating people out of there money by putting a phone on sale with other 200 dollar phones with less then half the hardware capabilities

 
 
Posted by ReccaKun Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

we may not have it all together... but together we have it all.

 
 
Posted by dbowe4415 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

This is definitely one of the best phone reviews I've ever read, it's very fitting for the best BlackBerry to release. You know, even though the Torch might not have the best processor or screen, it does have a pretty smooth and functional OS, which is what I definitely look for in a phone. While I won't be getting the Torch now, I'm anticipating it's probable release on T-Mobile in the future.

While many BB users are jumping ship to Android-powered phones, I'll definitely be staying put with BB. This new phone, along with BlackBerry OS6, will keep me loyal to BB for a while to come.

Ultimately, the Torch 9800 is an amazing phone, and it'll definitely be a huge seller for RIM, continuing to make it relevant in the smartphone market.

 
 
Posted by LyndellKell Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Ok and it dosent have good battery too?? OMG wow this phone show be 99 dollars max this is a bad phone. I mean I'm getting mad at my 9700 lately for being so slow I can't help but reach my girlfirends iphone 4 I'm all about the right medium I mean how could you fall so flat on byour faces right after apple dose and you have a chance to blow minds and you fail... they need to sell there OS to HTC and stop trying to make phones because there obviously retarded

 
 
Posted by ReccaKun Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

do a spell check before posting retard.

 
 
Posted by STR8WESTCOAST Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

It took 2 yrs to build this slow crap. Looks like a storm with a slider. Nobody is making sliders. Rim is way behind with everything. Their stock is even dropping. They have nothing new to offer. Latest selling gimmick is the bbm. U can't be on the phone to use it unless u r connected to wi-fi. Might as well text me. Lol. I'm gone

 
 
Posted by Ryoohk Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 654 days ago

UMMMMMMMMMM yes you can if your phone supports 3G. i do it all the time.

 
 
Posted by KiDPaul Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

i'm surprised anyone even replied to that idiots statement. But thank you for saving most of us the trouble.

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I guess some of you guys missed the point that this device has built at AT&T specification. I'm sure they didn't want a device in direct competition with the iphone4 and also I'm sure they wanted a device easier and cheaper to fix.

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I guess some of you guys missed the point that this device has built at AT&T specification. I'm sure they didn't want a device in direct competition with the iphone4 and also I'm sure they wanted a device easier and cheaper to fix.

I am curious how fast is the Opera or Bolt browser on the Torch, can you please test it?

 
 
Posted by The_Engine Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

The fact that Kevin even mentions a refresh coming sooner than later for the 9800 should disgust everyone! This device is not even out, and he is talking refresh!?

That is horrible..

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Dude, don't you get it? This device was built at AT&T request. It's not the best it can do. Once the new shape is out they can improve on it.

There's a new Android device just around the corner at all times, things are moving faster now days.

 
 
Posted by mykey2k Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Referring to my previous comment above...

iPhone 4GB and 8GB first went on sale 29 June 2007.
iPhone 4GB was discontinued 05 Sept 2007 -- 2.5 months.

A phone not even one quarter old, discontinued or obsolete.

iPhone 8GB price was slashed by 33% on that same day. Caused quite the outrage, remember? People got $100 in Apple Credit.

iPhone 16GB released 05 February 2008, not even 8 months after initial launches.

Refresh Happens.

 
 
Posted by DavidNC Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

"blackberry couldn't win one" , oh well it tried just like the little caboose :)

not to mention the very poor resolution , haha looks like its already outdated , but nice review Kevin very detailed , the mods at AC sent me btw ha

 
 
Posted by F-16 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I'm such a fan of slider phones - but why did RIM have to release a vertical slider? It's so narrow and "long" ... I would've preferred a horizontal slider - there is till now no better* slider/flipper out than the T-Mo Sidekick ...

*better in the sense of typing/messaging experience - other than that it has no chance compared to the RIM BB products

 
 
Posted by scalemaster34 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Because RIM is still behind the times...
Kevin even said that RIM had the "original" idea for the vertical slider back in 2008... and that is where it belonged.

Think RIM wanted to keep the one handed experience that most Blackberry users are familiar with. But if you ask most people who do a lot of texting and messaging these days, you will find that a horizontal slider with a full keyboard is what they all want - which is why you see even "dumb" phones with horizontal sliders these days.

 
 
Posted by ReccaKun Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

i personally don't like horizontal slider.

 
 
Posted by salesj Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

nice

 
 
Posted by crigga84 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Thanks to you, my left-side convenience key is now to launch Twitter. Why didn't I think of that? :D

 
 
Posted by tonusso Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

It's another piece of the finest junk of rim.. that's all. we sould call it, PalmBerry..

My questions. are.. how many times a day we have to pull the batterry from this one..?

How many times it's gonna froze per day..?

How many apps, can we put in this junk?

I had 9 blackberrys in 1 yeaar. i regret change my iphone, 3g. for this name brand. honestly i regret it.. i don't know why i have to move to the dark side.. i say this because my use was limited with this kind of junk. but we are humans we make mistakes. and a i got my iphone 4g. and i'm so happy.

I never ever again go back to crapberry. damn i hate them they are so limited.. so slow. even play game always was impossible. the only good about this junks. us the bbm and that set.

so you guys stay in the darkness, with blackberry, or i should call it, PalmBerry..

Im'm up and running with my new iphone.. and guys you want and advice don't buy any blackberry, there better phones.. later i will post a pic of my blackberry after i trough it to the wall...

 
 
Posted by khager Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

"I had 9 blackberrys in 1 yeaar"

That seems more like a user issue than a device issue.

If you won't ever go back to "crapberry", why are you on a forum site for people who LIKE them?

take your iSuck and go somewhere else.

 
 
Posted by Timothinho Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

at least the iSUck has 1Ghz processor, 720p recording, and retina display. The iSuck will hv a lasting impact on the way people actually communicate.

What if they release BBOS7 that needs 1ghz to run properly smooth and fast? they expect you to buy another phone?

Imagine Apple released Iphone 4 with 624 MHZ Arm cortex chip while the iphone 3gs has 600mhz arm cortex chip. The world would again blame apple for that mistake x10 just like the antenna problem.

I'm a huge fan of blackberry, i love my 9700, but i gotta say the 9800 is a just a dry joke.

 
 
Posted by tonusso Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

you are another blind that think blackberry is the best shit in world. have you try the iphone, the motorola droid, my touch or htc evo. go ahead and try them..

like i said blackberrys they are a piece of junk, by the way how many times did you pull your battery out today..

and also i'm here because this is a free web say, and i believe in freedom of speech. so i can say whatever a wanna say.. and i'm just sharing my experience with everybody..

i'm still lol with this iPhone killer.. junk..

ps. go to hell boy..

 
 
Posted by khager Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

I've had an iPhone AND an android.

I didn't like either of them. So I'm not "blind". Thanks though.

:)

 
 
Posted by Robert22 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

US exclusivity for ATT? A can only say - f**k you, RIM :((((

 
 
Posted by khager Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

struggling with the fact that AT&T got the phone because THEY requested it?

like hey! AT&T requested and was involved in the process of designing this phone, but let's give it to Verizon. Silly people.

 
 
Posted by corymcnutt Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I am VERY disappointed in your ONE-SIDED, personal preference concerning the SurePress screen on the Storm2 ("So long SurePress!!"). You mentioned SEVERAL times throughout your review with the 9800, "...I'm happy to say BlackBerry finally has a proper touchscreen experience." It is well-known that you never could embrace the Storm series because of the SurePress, and how you preferred the physical keyboard. Now you say that you don't know if you could leave the touchscreen! Well, I am glad for you, but as the "head" of the CrackBerry Nation, you may not have to like a particular feature, but you should still embrace it as a BlackBerry and not put a feature down JUST because you don't like it. MANY of us LOVE it and hate the "tap on glass" experience a normal touchscreen requires. I'm just saying, express you personal likes or dislikes, but don't pronounce that BlackBerry now has a "proper touchscreen experience," as a King decrees a execution!

 
 
Posted by belfastdispatcher Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I have a question, can the touch screen be turned off to be used in trackpad mode only?

 
 
Posted by gschoelles Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Yea, RIM that poor excuse of a CPU has lost me unless you can do better before my current contract is up.

I AM DISAPPOINTED!

 
 
Posted by cvaria Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

the little circle above and to the right of the "blackberry" branding at the top of the phone... is it a camera?

 
 
Posted by i7guy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Homerun for RIM.

It's amazing to me that even though RIM has hit a solid home run, there are still complaints about it's perceived weaknesses.

iphone up until recently didn't even have a flash or MMS or cut and paste. Droid to me is just a confusing mess.

Blackberry has always scored a homerun with a tight integration of form and function.

Way to go RIM.

 
 
Posted by experiment626 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

If only RIM put as much effort into the Torch as Kevin did in it's review. One of the most thorough reviews I've ever read.Die,SurePress,Die...................

 
 
Posted by collide.six Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

It's seems to me as if when RIM set out to build OS 6 and the Torch that they used their previous OS and devices to improve upon. Instead they should have been looking at the competition and saying let's use them as a benchmark and build something equal to or better than what they will have. So having said that rim built a better blackberry but the competition is moving ahead at a fast and furious pace leaving them to play catch up. Its gotta sting to see your stock value drop 2% - 4% on the day your brand new OS and flagship device are released.
Also if theres one thing I've learned about RIM is that when they release a new device it's typically has the bare specs to run it and is expected to be replaced within a year. So when you buy a device from them don't expect it to last long. RIM makes most of their money on hardware so the cheaper they can build it (low CPU, screen etc) the more profit they can make. Apple primarily makes money from their app store so they have more incentive to build longer lasting higher quality devices that can run all kinds of apps including 3D and are more future proof. Same with android google is making money from the mobile searches so they don't care about hardware so the different manufactures are putting out the hardware and they are savvy enough to know that there hardware needs killer specs in order to compete.

 
 
Posted by dannyboy75 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

If this phone comes to Verizon than I would get rid of my Droid X for this phone. But if it stays on AT&T then its no good!!!

 
 
Posted by Hdesign3 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I have become a big fan of Blackberry for the fact that I can communicate with my family and friends in south America without incurring xtra charges thru the BB messenger app. However I previously had the Palm Pre and this Torch is basically A Palm Pre with BB messenger on it. No real breakthrough for RIM. However it looks like a good marriage. I cant wait to see it on Sprint so I can get the best of both worlds between my Palm Pre and Blackberry!

 
 
Posted by sqadan Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I just bought my first BlackBerry (Bold 9700 on ATT) about a month ago to use for work since we can no longer use exchange active sync and must now use BES... I have to say - for messaging and keeping in touch with work, calendar, etc... it's the best phone I've ever used - and I've owned probably every smartphone OS / Hardware combination on the market. Honestly - who cares about specs aas long as the darn thing does what it was designed to do without issue? It's a messaging device, not a TV, Xbox, or desktop computer. And from the messaging standpoint - the BB device I own now is peerless. The new slider looks like a great phone - I would buy one if I did not already have my Bold. And my god - all the bitching about AT&T... I've been on AT&T for about 7 Years in the Philly metro area and have never had any service issues worth complaining about. I think there is a lot of "me too" complaining going on around here.

 
 
Posted by doob Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Seems CB is being their normal biased selves again. Deleted my last post huh?

Why on earth would BB decide to make this exclusive to 1 carrier in the USA? Doesn't really make sense to have such a in demand phone with a much needed os upgrade, and only allow a certain person to use it.

This put the nail in the coffin for me, as I now tend to jump ship to android and try something different. I was waiting to do so to see how the 9800 was. I figured if os 6 was worth it, I would stay with BB. Guess even BB don't allow me to stay with them unless I pay a outrageous monthly fee to AT&T.

I know RIM is losing market share to Android and Iphone. So if they want to lose even more users, they can continue this crap. Ever wonder why there's plenty of android phones on all carriers RIM? Yup, you guessed it. So it can dominate. Ever wonder why Google sold the nexus 1 unlocked for anybody to buy? Yup, you guessed it. So it can dominate the market.

Good luck losing more market share and data fees to people leaving this platform Rim. As phone manufactures dig their own graves, just look at Nokia. Rim will be in Nokias boat soon enough.

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

When did that ever equal complaining?

These are current BB users who are not happy with what they got, these are your fellow users and abusers who dont accept just anything and you blind loyal berry-sheep bash them and say "YES RIM" low res screen, low memory "YES RIM" even Kevin said he wished it was there...get a life nerds

 
 
Posted by sqadan Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

But it is complaining... come on "Get a life nerds"? I think the people who need to get a life are the people who spend so much time moaning about the specs on a PHONE. Most people who buy these things don't frequent tech blogs - and probably don't even know what the screen resolution an a particular device is... they just know the phone does what they need it to do or does not.

So let's see... The iPhone 4 can't make phone calls because they screwed up the design, it's made of GLASS (Yeah I want to put that in my pocket)... but it's a better phone?? Come on.

 
 
Posted by wetherb67 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

"You can finally enjoy browsing webpages on a BlackBerry."

Yeah, if you have AT&T.

ADIOS Blackberry. Thanks for screwing all the eagerly waiting people like me on Verizon that would have immediately bought this phone. But no, you have to pull your exclusive B.S.

When will phone companies learn they can make so much more money if they just release their phones to everyone?

 
 
Posted by mxwill Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

You talk about the touchscreen keyboards but you didn't mention if the Storm and Storm 2 SureType keyboard with 2 letters per square carried over. Is this still an option or did they get rid of it? I really hope they kept it. I find it really easy to type with.

 
 
Posted by tonusso Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

3.2 millions of iphone sales in 3 week, please this piece of junk wanna be the iPhone killer, ha ha ha ha ha.

Thank god i got out of the dark side, i went back to my iPhone, i regret switch my 3g for the storm 1 and 2. omg what a mistake, but we are humans and we make mistakes.

I never will buy another blackberry and this PalmBerry don't impress me at all. look for me another simple blackberry. with slow ass processor, limited memory, for apps.. etc etc etc.

junk junk junk. whoever got a blackberry know i'm not lying. just the simple fact that we have to pull the battery so many times a day, is F. ridiculous and aggravated.

 
 
Posted by the brother Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

anyone got the canadian pricing yet? $599.99 outright? $199.99 on a 3-yr? bueller???

 
 
Posted by nicbkuvs Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I had high hopes for this phone, but the call of Android has been getting louder and louder in my ear. In my area, VZW is the only viable carrier option. I've been a blackberry user for a few years now, but I think I'm going to jump ship to the Droid X since there appears to be no chance of a VZW version of this slider anytime soon. I'm no apple fanboy, but I recently got an iPod Touch, and the web browsing experience blows my Tour 9630 out of the water. Can't wait for RIM to catch up any longer. Sorry, fellas.

 
 
Posted by HisNameIsOpenSource Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

if you do a lot of browsing on your phone, don't torture yourself using BB get another phone, i was the same way and when i picked up a decent phone with a decent browser and apps i dropped my BB as fast as i could. I really had no idea how horrible the apps for BB are. take a look if you ever can at the weather channel app or pandora app for other phones, you will be seriously ticked at how gorgeous they are on other phones and how smoothly they operate.

 
 
Posted by HisNameIsOpenSource Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

if you do a lot of browsing on your phone, don't torture yourself using BB get another phone, i was the same way and when i picked up a decent phone with a decent browser and apps i dropped my BB as fast as i could. I really had no idea how horrible the apps for BB are. take a look if you ever can at the weather channel app or pandora app for other phones, you will be seriously ticked at how gorgeous they are on other phones and how smoothly they operate.

 
 
Posted by tonusso Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

yeah, man, get out of the darkness, trust me. i had 3 of the 4 generations of the iphone, and let me tell you i was a mistake go crapberry, i only used for the bbm, and that's it. i couldn't play games, or do what i do with my iphones.. now i got my iphone 4g. and still i say iphone is iphone..

and this iphone killer wanna be. won't be a match for iphone. just check the specs, and then check de app market.. please... this is another junkberry y new chassis. but same S.

Whoever buy it, will regret it. trust me..

 
 
Posted by johntkong Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

So crackberry lovers, users and abusers, what do we think? I have the Bold 9650, and I love this phone more than my mother but the Torch with its touchscreen and portrait slide keyboard is very tempting with all the lookalike Android devices out there (a la big screen, four buttons, etc).

Is the Torch tempting enough to jump ship for AT&T? Why RIM would you give AT&T exclusivity?

 
 
Posted by slab0meat Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

You ask a question that could have been answered if you could read.

 
 
Posted by donefsky Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Did At&T buy your website? Why don't you devote another 50 pages to this thing? What's the big deal? Another same ole' same ole BB device with the toy sized qwerty and another 2" of screen size real estate?

This is either a push by AT&T or desperation by RIM. It is not the second coming of the Lord. Nice phone if vertical sliders are your thing. The OS is great if you socialize all day long. I kind of appreciate browsing the web on something other than my 3" Storm2. Its a bit easier to view a desk top as opposed to going blind.

Just thought this review, to the expense of all previous reviews, went a bit over board for a device whose provisions are all not that earth shattering

 
 
Posted by 25433 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Is there a proximity sensor on this thing?

 
 
Posted by jlb21 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Lower capacity battery......what's up with that?

 
 
Posted by Theneil Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

When the original Storm came out, I was one of the first on my block, so to speak, to get one. I have big hands. Regular Blackberry keyboards didn't work for me. I found the Storm worked okay with the ability to use it in a landscape mode. I have always thought this made more sense. How may monitors and TVs are taller than wide. It appears that the screen gets shrunk so much on portrait mode, I wonder what the point is. I worked through the software issues. Put up with them waiting for the updates is more actual.
I don't see this as much of an improvement. Perhaps OS6 is worth it but I see no other reason to drop my money on this when it becomes available. Is no one else tired of small computer like gadgets? I got so tired of slow performance, tiny graphics, little keys, I bought an iPad. It has relegated my storm to being used as a phone and the odd BBM machine. Other than telling me when I have email as it happens, I don't really use it for many of the features that I now use the iPad for. What is the 9800 going to do to change my mind?

 
 
Posted by jlb21 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

The pic of the 4 of your standing in a circle...playing with your ....torches.......LOL!

 
 
Posted by tai888 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

i'm guessing the low res screen is an attempt to save battery life. hey if it means i'm not charging my phone and the day is half done than i'm ok with that.

 
 
Posted by HisNameIsOpenSource Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I have read reviews from engadget, gizmodo and the one here and have skimmed through a couple other blogs. This phone is getting panned, i haven't seen anyone other than crackberry give it a good review. At most this phone is state of the art for mid to late 2008. Sure some blogs agree it is the best blackberry out to date, but even then it is the worst smartphone out there on the worst OS out there even with 6.0 This phone is the reason behind the stigma behind blackberry users being only business types who only want a few specialized tasks, and to be honest RIM seems to think so as well. I feel bad for anyone who is so rampant about their loyalty that they have not tried another phone, i myself use a Palm Pre Plus and BB, it blows this thing out of the water and it is approaching on two years of being out. They really need to think about starting a completely new wing of their business to cater to a decent smart phone, not this antiquated slap in the face garbage.

 
 
Posted by vlleano Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Great review crackberry! Unless im missing some rumour out there, but I thought it was likely that the Blackberry Shield would have come with this product. Maybe in the future.

The bottom line for me with the torch is, if iphone 5 or any of the top android products came out with a slider, its going to be back to sqaure one for RIM. If the torch proves successful because of the presence of a physical keyboard, it wont take long for apple and android to join the wagon. Sure, the palm pre had a keyboard but it nothing compared to a BB keyboard.

 
 
Posted by G229 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Hey, its a keeper of a phone. Sounds like a much better construction than the Palm Pre.
Not crazy about sliders, but if the keyboard will work with my big butcher hands...I am sold!

They will probably bring out a better screen, better processor, battery life with the next model.

*CA*

 
 
Posted by SupaBlackB Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

I have no problems with the Torch. I was a little skeptical about it being a slider and all, but looking at the pics & vid, its not bad. I'ma a die hard physical qwerty person, but I like having a touchscreen on there as well. It reminds me of when I had my Palm Treo. I do kinda wish the CPU was 1GHz, but i'm not complaining, i dont need my phone to be a freaking workstation. all this talk about screen rez, and how its not 720p is kinda stupid. I dont plan to watch tv on my phone. I dont even watch vidz on my phone often enough to care. One thing i do want RIM to work out is, being able to run apps from expandable memory, that would be great. But overall, I have no major problems with the Torch, except its on AT&T...smh

 
 
Posted by mcangeli Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

As and AT&T wireless customer since the days of Bellsouth Mobility, I think people are giving both RIM and AT&T a bunch of crap they do not deserve.

First on the service, every single carrier out there has issues with their service. It just appears that things are better if you're on another network.

Now, to the Torch. I've setup iphones (of all generations) for users here at work, and I've played with AT&T's weak android devices and I've been under impressed by both.

Yes, the iphone is pretty (Apple has the design down) and android has the abundance of apps readily available, however EVERY SINGLE one of the Android Devices and the iPhone have a problem that Blackberry doesn't.

The blackberry is an Enterprise device. Plain and simple. From a business stand point, neither iOS or Android can do the things that Blackberry can with BES. For business users, BB is the device.

I've tried using android for work and while its fun to play with (and it is fun, my 4 year old loves to play poke a zombie) the active sync features for android are severely lacking. It takes a $20 app to get anywhere close to what BB does with BES. The iPhone isn't much better.

I realize that to stay competitive, RIM needs to branch out a bit more and try to gain some of the general smartphone population, but their target should remain the business user.

From what I've seen of the Torch, its a good attempt and it will only get better.

I would rather have a phone with a slower processor that can do everything I need it to and do it correctly on one good charge than have a device that I have to rely on 3rd party apps and have it plugged in most of the day.

All of you android and iphone users, how often during the day are you killing apps (which you can't do on android with out a third party app) and plugging your phone in?

 
 
Posted by Moonbaseone Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

Have you even used a iPhone 4 and some of the newer Androids?

In my experience with the iP4 atleast, the battery life was pretty good and lasted all day, so if I were to get a iP4 as my main phone, battery life would not be an issue.

Maybe I just got lucky and got a special battery but the battery lasted just as long as my BB with the same amount of use and with heavy web browsing it still lasted a pretty long time.

P.S., I am not a Rim, Google, or Apple fanboy.

 
 
Posted by sqadan Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

The BlackBerry is a tool... and it does what it does exactly the way it's supposed to. And the people that need that tool will be satisfied and won't give a crap what resolution the screen is.

The iPhone and most Android devices are consumer oriented TOYS. They do not compete for the same user base for their core markets.

 
 
Posted by xaroc Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

in my Phone carrier i have owned 3 BlackBerries (curve, bold, storm) 2 old HTCs
and now 7 iPhones. That being said
Looking at the Torch at first glance it looks really nice, then i noticed the keyboard doesnt slide out landscape, only portrait. Sliding out Portrait seems it would be uncomfortable to hold and type with. Examining the picture above with 4 people each holding a torch, i can see the positioning of their hands, i could see a weight load problem with the device sticking so far out. Natural gravity would make that phone feel heavier then it really was. im very sceptical

Well thats my word, i look forward to holding one myself. Although i would never trade up my iphone4 to rejoin the blackberry world, i am still interested.

 
 
Posted by Dabrador Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

This review is like asking a parent what they think about their newborn. "Isn't he the most beautiful baby you've ever seen???"

For a more balanced review, read this:
http://gizmodo.com/5604747/blackberry-torch-review

Goodbye RIM...

 
 
Posted by 1jaxstate1 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 657 days ago

What speeds are suppored, is it:
HSDPA 7.2
HSUP

 
 
Posted by Sweet-tea Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Love the comments. Personally, I thought this was a great and fair review...not having touched a Torch myself.

I don't understand the "haters" of the slide? The Droid (with a type of slide) ate almost everyone's lunch and the Droid II appears to keep that design alive....

The Storm1 was my first BB and is still my current phone for personal use. When asked, I've commented that it was a good first BB for me but suspected power users who are used to the physical keyboard might not like the touch as much (IMHO). I tried a Tour when it first came out and found myself reaching up to depress the screen to confirm a number of actions. While this might not be a 'perfect' phone, it seems like it provides the best of both worlds for those that like their BB's.

As long as it's on AT&T, it's not an option for me. I certainly don't think I'd rule it out of consideration in December if it were to find its way over to VZW (along with the iPhone).

 
 
Posted by SENSfreak_03 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Did anyone read the First paragraph of the article? If AT&T was involved in the development and idea of the phone, it was never meant to be the "iPhone or droid Killer." Why would AT&T want a phone that would try and kill it's best selling phone? AT&T saw a hole in the market and wanted to try and fill it. I think this phone will do it's job, RIM and AT&T will be happy. I'm sure RIM is cooking up something to compete, but this phone was never to be it, it just got hyped that way by everyone, except those actually involved.

 
 
Posted by nbjsl2000 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Even if this is Blackberry fan site, we need to see the reality....no one can deny that this phone is underpowered and looks really dated compared to other competitor's offerings.
If I can get this phone under $79 with contract then I will think about purchasing, but there are way too many better options at that price point. Does people at RIM still think this is year 2008?

 
 
Posted by House seller Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Love what I see. Do you think AT&T will treat us BB owners the same as they treated iphone owners, with an early upgrade? It would show that they don't consider us second class customers!

 
 
Posted by sandra17 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

I like the slider part... no need to lock the keyboard!

 
 
Posted by nashstruck Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Yes im sure u've heard it b4!

 
 
Posted by Fudd9700 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

That was a great review of the device and I must admit, it does look like a great piece of kit, but the fact it is a slider is making me wary.
Sliders were til recently, old hat and I wouldn't have expected a slider to be the way for Blackberry. What with the sucess of the 9000 and 9700, I would have thought an up date of that would be the next obvious move.
I really hope they keep the long term Design going ala Curve and 9700 i.e. a simple keyboard and a screen, sure the size of the screen may be a pain, but it's nice and simple to use.
I'm trying to resist the iPhone upgrade at work and am now the only employe running a Blackberry, because my current 9700 is a good work horse and always reliable.
Also the Torch looks top heavy with the screen up, could imagine that would take some getting used to if you used the old school keyboard.
Don't get me wrong, once I have this in my hand (when it comes to the UK) I may find it great, but for now I'm sitting on the fence. Come on RIM, update the 9700!

 
 
Posted by LayzieBone075 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Basically all I wanted to know about the 9800! Looks REALLY good! So wish I had this phone! Any news on T-Mobile getting this phone? Haha

 
 
Posted by Robert22 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

No other 3G US operator will get it, so forget T-Mobile etc. I am angry about it as well. Bad job from RIM. I am switching to Android, my final decision.

 
 
Posted by squire366 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

I've read reviews on the 9800 from several sites including a review posted on GIZMODO. The reviewer summed it up best when he wrote.......

"BlackBerry isn't good enough anymore if you're comparing it to other smartphones. What does it do better than the rest? That's the fundamental question. And the answer is that for most people, in most situations, compared to Android and iPhone, not a whole lot."

That is one reason why I switched to a HTC HD2 on T-Mobile. Another reason is that I had a feeling T-Mobile would not get the Torch 9800 anytime soon and I would be UBBER pissed if I passed up on other smartphones only to find out T-Mobile will not get the 9800.

This review posted here on Crackberry was well thought out and well written but as one person posted "It is too positive." The 9800 is a nice phone, the touchscreen and WebKit browser are a step in the right direction but the 9800 still looks too "Blackberryish" and performance wise I just don't see it competing with devices like the iPhone4, EVO, HD2, Galaxy S........ect.

RIM has a LLLOOONNNGGG way to go to catch up!

 
 
Posted by Chris money Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Storm 3!

 
 
Posted by KevvyKev Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

All I'm asking is if and when will the other carriers have something better than this from blackberry? This phone is without question way way way over due and only going to AT&T in the US . . . . . Great technology, seems that blackberry can do so much more. . . . Seems . . . .

 
 
Posted by cjmjmm2006 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Nice looking device, and you will get the "Usual" bag of tricks that RIM provides.... and that is why I left, so tired of a "warn out your welcome" UI. I mean really, I have been on this site for years hoping to be impressed, I used to buy all the hype Kevin was selling, I even listened to just about every podcast from CB.com, but I needed to make a change after 8830, 8330, 9630.. it got stale. Went to droid because I used linux since the early 2000's and I love the flexibility for people that know recognize the environment. Do CB'ers really think that Google is going to let RIM steal it's thunder with this pre-Jurrasic era hardware? Do you think the programmers working at RIM are half as good as the guys Google got? Lets be serious there will always, always be a market for RIM in the corporate world, but end users that are hobbiest or casual smart phone users will throw up the peace sign. I loved BB for what it was, but Android is open and has a much brighter future as far as personal consumers are concerned.

 
 
Posted by valueman Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 656 days ago

Kevin - Awesome review. One of the most comprehensive I have ever read. Bravo Zulu.

RIM - update you calender, it is now 2010. If you want to put out something like that then put enough horses under the hood.

I went to the local store today and played with one of these for about an hour. I left very disappointed. I loaded the Crackberry site. The mobile site loaded fast, but even the mobile site was laggy when scrolling. Then I tried to load the full site. It took forever to render. I pulled out the Captivate, went to the browser, loaded Crackberry.com, and still waited almost a minute before the Torch rendered the page.

I tried several sites, and none of them loaded well.

I have been a crackhead through two curves and two bolds. About 10 days ago I picked up a Captivate just to try it out. I figured that would give me time to adjust to the Android OS and make a fair comparison when this came out.

To me, the Captivate blows this out of the water. Its tough when a phone seems dated when its released. I know several of the folks at the local store well, and the reaction ot the Torch is pretty much universal - underwhelmed.

To be fair, it is the slickest BB yet on AT&T. And if you live only in the BB world, this may be the new king. But in the universe of smartphones, this one is waaay under spec'ed, IMO.

I really was hoping that I would pick this up and immediately feel the need to return the Captivate and rejoin BB nation. Instead, I am off to Android Central.

 
 
Posted by SergBB Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

Coming from a several-years-old BB user, long-time gadget-lover and avid-reader I would like to express my opinion here about this phone (took the liberty to read all 155 posts).

First thing, I must say this is a great review. After reading such a lacking one coming from Apple-loving Engadget, this is a very complete review, with details that nobody has touched, and expressing a different, non-hating opinion, albeit quite positive. As I haven't played with the 9800 so far, I cannot say first hand about it, but after reading all over the web about it, it does seem to be the best BB so far.

Something that needs to be mentioned, RIM is known to be "evolutionary" rather than "revolutionary" in the smartphone market nowadays. So expecting RIM with some "magical" solution is somewhat pointless.

I would love to point out that although the 9800 is rocking a 624MHz CPU (Marvell PXA300) compared to the iPhone's A4 1GHz and the Captivate's Hummingbird (both of which are faster than Snapdragon), the results on performance were not that far away. Which leads me to think how optimized BB6 really is. I mean, for Froyo (and Gingerbread) the minimum specs are high-end already, and for the iPhone to get multi-tasking it required a complete hardware overhaul (while we have been multi-tasking with 512MHz and slower processors). I think you see my point, where indeed the new app-phones are getting better specs, it is impressive to see BB6 still holding its ground with a considerable slower CPU (and architecture altogether).

Next up to mention is the Webkit browser. It does yield impressive results. Again, we are talking much slower hardware rendering webpages and dealing with everything at the same time. Sure, the browser is miles ahead the older BB browser, it seems to be (as pointed out in the review) being held back by the chipset/CPU. I am quite certain that the same browser on the Galaxy S's hardware would blow Android out of the water.

For those complaining on the form factor, there is a little detail that has to be accounted. One of RIM's best features is the hardware keyboard. We all know that in order to have a hardware keyboard and a touchscreen together, many problems must have appeared, and this form-factor was the best indeed. For example, I find myself using the phone with one hand many times, and in landscape mode it would be impossible to BBM someone with only one hand.

Although not all is positive from my POV. I do think this 9800 is going to be like the Storm 1 to Storm 2 story, being the Torch more a of a test and then releasing a "fixed" version later on, what it should have been. I do not agree with this policy, therefore I am holding my purchase not to get an obsolete device.

My only gripes, as the tech-addict I am, are hardware-wise. I do prefer a faster CPU (I'd settle with the PXA310 at 806MHz) but rather prefer a Hummingbird inside with GPU alongside the always reliable connectivity options available. The higher res screen is a must nowadays, even in such a "small" screen (for today's standards on touchscreens) and a slight bump on memory, as said "to be on the safe side" would make the BB platform a killer. Industrial design-wise, I find the outer shell quite pleasing and attractive IMHO, with some unique-yet-familiar features we all know and recognize on a Blackberry. One thing, though, the smaller battery is a failure, considering how phones today eat up those 1400mAh batteries, and having the 9700 a 1500mAh, why choosing something smaller?

Lastly, I am happy to see more integration from the BB platform. I have grown accustomed to BBM'img people, and the all-around early-integration found on BBOS4.6, more of this is even better. This is me hoping for more functionality out of the advanced searching features and fully integrated apps.

Off-topic. I had a headache trying to understand some posts. Please use the auto-correct options on your browser...

 
 
Posted by jdowdy10 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

I here people complaining about a phone having a slow processor, low res screen, and pretty much any other thing they can think of not to give a phone a chance. Can this really be true?

Listen, the fans here at Crackberry understand your need to justify your purchase for your shiny new toy that can play 3D games and watch HD movies...for two hours before you have to charge it.

You people (yeah, that is right...I did it) obviously have no idea about the reasons why you would use a less powerful processor or heaven forbid underclock your processor on your super cool 1Ghz Snapdragon processor...so you can make it through the day without a charge. I don't think it is a plausible trade off is being able to watch an HD video while tethered to a wall jack or even a computer. That is not freedom and I can get that from my desktop. It just doesn't make sense.

For God's sake fix your brains and stop being amazed by something that is shiny and appreciate things for what they can do well...especially for what a device like a PHONE is made to do. It is not a game console, video player, music player, etc. A phone should not have these as FEATURES that end up hurting their performance as a PHONE, but everybody goes crazy over them for some reason. It seems like this device is a trade off of what the technology is capable of now. RIM in my opinion is not trying to make a phone with three hour battery life that all the kiddies can pick up and charge on their MacBooks while sitting in class.

In closing, get over yourself and your idea of what is worthy and isn't because you wouldn't appreciate someone looking at your pointing out things that are wrong even if you have many great qualities. That is how you sound when you nitpick every thing you can.

Good job on the review Kevin. Too bad this phone won't end up on Verizon. Really want one but I have no reason to leave them and even though I would miss SurePress, I would probably still get one.

 
 
Posted by npc_caseym Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

"...It is not a game console, video player, music player, etc. A phone should not have these as FEATURES that end up hurting their performance as a PHONE..."

So why is RIM pushing the media so much on this phone and BB6? Truth is, a smartphone is not just a "phone" anymore, as you are implying. It's a mobile device. I personally do A LOT more messaging, viewing, browsing, texting, and media stuff than I talk on my phone...that's why I have a SMARTphone...so that I can do all of those things. If I have to charge it every night (which I do and have always done, even when I had a BB) and then have to charge for another 60 minutes or so later in the day, who cares? It doesn't bother me one bit. And we're not "nitpicking" (us "people" that is)...this is a phone REVIEW blog, which means you give your impression of the device, good and bad. People want to know the downsides of the device just as much as they want to know the upsides. Nuff said...

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

I have an old Motorola V3 Razr laying around the house somewhere...should be right up your alley.

 
 
Posted by cjmjmm2006 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

The post that said "Evolutionary" instead of "Revolutionary" hit the nail right on the head. The Pros of this device are no different than any other BlackBerry unit, long battery life, push email, familiar UI etc. I just wanted something to be excited about. Kevin I will always read this site because I think you have an interesting point of view on BB, although bias, I enjoy reading it. I know BB will never move into a sector of the market in which total geeks will drool over them, but I truly feel, with no offense to anyone that is part of the CB community, that this device and even the new BB6 OS has gone stale. There is no creativity in what RIM develops and that makes me sad. All my Canadian friends are "think outside the box" type people, RIM hasn't even looked outside the box's windows. Wish they would there is a whole other world out there...

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

Yes, it's a low end screen. Yes, it appears to be sluggish. Yes, BlackBerry 6 seems to push the hardware to the limit. Yes, the hardware still reeks of 2008, which is sad.

But, it does address a lot of the things we complained about in OS 5. So, this kind of depends on how you look at things. Some call it a home run, some call it a complete fail.

I call it a push.

When you compare it to the Androids and iPhones, it doesn't impress. It’s not going to have anyone with a ‘Droid or iPhone wanting to get a Torch in favor of those handsets. But a lot of current BlackBerry users will love it.

This has more to do with RIM trying to stop the bleeding of it’s base rather than it is to go head to head with Apple or any Android manufacturer. Now, with the lack of BlackBerry 6 support for older handsets, we'll see if RIM can do that. They have alienated a lot of people (especially Storm2 users), and I'm not sure they can stem that tide. But I see this as more of a stop-gap for RIM while they work on the hardware in the next series (hopefully).

I wouldn't get one, but I can understand why someone would.

 
 
Posted by npc_caseym Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

"When you compare it to the Androids and iPhones, it doesn't impress. It’s not going to have anyone with a ‘Droid or iPhone wanting to get a Torch in favor of those handsets. But a lot of current BlackBerry users will love it. "

Agreed and well said. Good post! And maybe that's what RIM is shooting for...

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

That's the new policy here at Crackberry

So if your sentence starts off with "it may not have a hi res screen or a fast processors but...."

Kill yourself. :)

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

That's what RIM should have been saying all along. It's a "meh" phone, at best...not stellar, doesn't deveate much from what we've seen before. Familiar is a good word for it, I suppose.

The sad part is that, if what Kevin says is true...that this is the best BlackBarry to date, it only shows how far RIM has fallen behind.

Also, I'm seperating my view on the Torch as a whole from my views on BlackBerry 6....so take it for what it's worth (which probably 'aint much).

/: )

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

It's not bias but honest...I was making a general statement for how we should move forward and push RIM. The consumers can make a diffrence, any good company will listen.

 
 
Posted by jhby Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

....model back in 2004, I think. To go from that to my Storm2 in 6 years is quite a leap. RIM is doing a fine job. Do I want more from my phone? Who doesn't, but to come from where they were to where they are is quite an accomplishment. The best thing ever to happen to RIM is Apple.

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

But honestly, that's like saying an Intel iCore 7-975 is a quantum leap from a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition. Of course it is, and no one is saying it isn't when compared to 2004 technology. What we are saying, and a lot of people are alarmed about, is that RIM is holding to 2008 hardware in 2010. That 'aint good.

I know what your trying to say, I just think it's a bad analogy.

 
 
Posted by npc_caseym Friday, Aug 06, 2010 656 days ago

"...it's not about MHz but rather it's about user experience..."

I totally disagree with this statement. MHz is one of the BIGGEST factors that affects user experience. I was a BB user for a long time and never once had a phone that was not sluggish. With each new OS leak that comes available, everyone likes to say "it's snappy" or "it runs faster" but when push comes to shove, in everyday use, every device I owned (Pearl 8130, Curve 8330, Storm 1, Tour 9630, Storm 2) was sluggish quite often. I can't understand why RIM wouldn't want to just go over and above on the Torch (a beautiful device) and go 1 GHz on it...not so that everyone can say "my phone has a gig proc..." who cares! But to enhance the user experience to an even higher degree. Honestly I could care less about what speed or what proc a device has...I care about what happens when I'm using the thing on a daily (more like minute-ly) basis. According to Engadget's review of the Torch (http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/), it could have definitely benefited from a faster 1 GHz processor.

Overall, this is a definitely a great review and this is a great product coming from RIM. But having switched over to Android a little over a month ago, the Torch still doesn't hold a candle (no pun intended) to the high-end Android devices (Incredible, X, Nexus One). But that's just my opinion. If I was still a BB user, I would definitely want this phone as it is a huge step forward over every other BB device out there.

 
 
Posted by SnoopTodd Friday, Aug 06, 2010 655 days ago

That was the best review ever!!! I truly cannot wait for this phone!!!!

 
 
Posted by sliksoncrackberry Friday, Aug 06, 2010 655 days ago

does anyone know if sprint would ever get a version of th torch?

 
 
Posted by CamGleaton Saturday, Aug 07, 2010 655 days ago

Does anyone know when Newegg.com will carry this phone? Also, is it just me or does the video capture on the Blackberry seem much better than the Iphone? Awesome!

PS Awesome review by the way!

 
 
Posted by macharp Saturday, Aug 07, 2010 654 days ago

Hi does anyone know the estimated full retail price of the torch if bought without a contract?

 
 
Posted by wize00 Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 654 days ago

I bet the next Storm 3 will be renamed Torch 9xxx, It will be a Torch without the sliding keyboard and surepress, so RIM can uss the same components and have a new addition to the Torch family....

 
 
Posted by berryaddict47 Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 654 days ago

Most likely the Torch 9800 with follow what happened with the Bold 9000. It will be exclusive on AT&T but when the update (Torch 2) is released, it will launch on other carriers, like what happened with the Bold 9700.

 
 
Posted by harrison8588 Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 653 days ago

i think i need this phone, storm 2 is great but i dont like having to click the screen and typing on it is a pain, though ive gotten much better..

gonna guess about 500$ to buy it so i can unlock it for verizon

 
 
Posted by bryanfs Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 653 days ago

Over all this bb is great, like many people say , it has outdated hardware.... yet it IS compared to phones with all the new stuff. COME ON!! dont you think that maybe this is a very good phone if it has what it has and does almost the same as a phone with way better stuff?!?!!?!?!?! i say thumbs up ! :D

 
 
Posted by fireman47960 Monday, Aug 09, 2010 653 days ago

This review says all the apps from BB App World work. How you do reconcile it this this "unbiased" review (See Below). Endgadget reviewer says some of the apps don't work including all the Google apps. So how do you Mr. "I have a vested interest in providing a good review" Reviewer explain the discrepancy? Look, all I want is an honest review telling me what is right and what is wrong so I can make an informed decision. Your review glosses over the shortfalls, snail like processor speed, low resolution for screen, camera that produces poor video. I use my BB for work but I would like a chance to improve it. My 8830 works not bad, even in the Russian Federation. But I will not be getting the 9800. It is not even close to an iphone 4 or Droid. It is a real disappointment. And to give it to AT&T is a crime.
Quote from Endgadget review.
"but you can expect your favorite apps to not work with the Torch out of the box. RIM's new OS doesn't seem to permit much in the way of backwards compatibility, so we found ourselves high and dry for a few must-have applications (in particular, the entire suite of Google apps... and their web counterparts don't recognize the browser properly, either). We had quite a few issues with apps not working (or not working properly) on the new platform, and even though RIM has improved the App World experience, there's no differentiation in the store to tell you if what you're about to buy will function with the device."
Thank you

 
 
Posted by Bronco2K Monday, Aug 09, 2010 653 days ago

WOW...I need this phone. Should I win i will donate my current 8520 Curve to a deserving future CB.com addict in some poor third world country (minus the SIM of course)!

 
 
Posted by markccs Monday, Aug 09, 2010 653 days ago

This has to be one of the best reviews I've read so far!!
Great work to the Crackberry people and specially to Kevin!!

I'm definitively jumping from my 8900 to the 9800 (So I'll stick with the same numbers but in different order :) )

Since I live in Vzla and we're not alow to purchase thru the internet I'll have to make a trip to the states to buy that phone and some other goods... But it will be worthwhile!!

 
 
Posted by elche1988 Monday, Aug 09, 2010 653 days ago

I have to say that I used many cellphones (BlackBerry, HTC with WM and Android, iPhone...) and this BlackBerry will be my next phone that's for sure! Im using an unlocked Tour now and I love it! I will miss the trackball that's for sure!

P.S: Really nice Review!

 
 
Posted by ChicagOkie Monday, Aug 09, 2010 653 days ago

If you want a touch screen and you are smart enough to be patient and wait for BB to do it right this sounds like a great phone.

BB seems to have addressed the quality issue of most slide phones. I look forward to a personal test of the touch screen. I personally do not like touch screens except in very few applications, I am a keyboard person on the computer also.

The camera not being able to do HD video is a let down. I work in TV and it is nice when viewers send in there personal videos of events and they are 720. Hopefully RIM will upgrade the video recording.

I just bought a Bold 9000 because I was disappointed with the trimming down of the 9700. The 9800 looks to taken back the real estate and more. Wish the 9000 could get an official OS update from ATT, but that is another post.

A touch screen is a personal choice and I think most BB users will have to head to ATT and see if the 9800 is right for them.

 
 
Posted by elche1988 Monday, Aug 09, 2010 652 days ago

Will be my next device for sure!

 
 
Posted by shw2010 Monday, Aug 09, 2010 652 days ago

Finally a phone that makes me happy to be an AT&T customer. I must get one

 
 
Posted by keke3542 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 652 days ago

I want someone to give me this phone for free

 
 
Posted by sol8823 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 652 days ago

looks pretty good want. I want to check it out.

 
 
Posted by justtjo Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 652 days ago

I have just read the slightly negative review in our newspaper THE AUSTRALIAN today, and personally, love the look and even though he said it fails against the IPhone and other Androids, for every plus he gave it ,he came back with two negatives to most of its features!! So i would love to win it to make my own mind up!! Would rather believe the review of an expert, than a mere mortal!!
At the moment i have a first and only Bold 9000 which i bought on EBAY for myself and my daughter, so we will have to timeshare this.

 
 
Posted by niaherawati Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 652 days ago

I want have a special present for my husband birthday in 15 august, I hope CB can give this torch for me. Cause this present will be Special

 
 
Posted by moldy_96 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 652 days ago

Im in love wioth this phone but no way am i getting stuck with At&T

 
 
Posted by titan44 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 651 days ago

I could take the older model 624 MHz processor, but they blew it with the 360x480 screen.
Granted the display is overall larger than traditional half QWERTY designs. But due to physical keyboard, the primary orientation is portrait. For me it would be too much of a sacrifice to go down to a 360 pixel at 1.920" width (by my calculations) from the 480 pixel at 2.163" width on the Bold 9000.

I don't even need the higher resolution of the competitive products. Just a portrait slider with 480x640 (full VGA)resolution and size eqivalent to 2 adjacent Bold 9000 screens would be perfect form factor for a portrait slider.

 
 
Posted by Haykal Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 651 days ago

I am not a blackberry lover but I have been using blackberry for the past 5 years and I am happy with all devices I've used.(never used a touch one before though) I have used the iphone 3GS for 3 or 4 months but it didnt rock my boat, so I sold it. In support to Noah's comments, how often will you actually record video on it? or use the viedo calling? or browse the internet for hours? or read books on it? or or or or or.. it's supposed to be a phone for goodness sake not a 007 gadget. not to forget,its battery isn't the best around.
If the OS makes GPS a better sat nav tool on the torch, I dont care about the fast browser or the super quality screen colours...

 
 
Posted by b4k3d Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 651 days ago

I finally had the opportunity to read and watch this review and I must say that I am truly impressed with OS6's progress vs OS5. Finally RIM is catching up with whats already out there. That being said, hardware and memory are still not impressive but I would definitely consider getting this phone solely because of OS6...the one killer reason that I wouldn't get this phone would be because its AT&T exclusivity. This should be available on other carriers.

 
 
Posted by sdemo86 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 651 days ago

I love my torch got rid of my iphone for this great piece of technology. I now have the best of both worlds a great touchscreen and this perfect keyboard.

 
 
Posted by shugginsiii Wednesday, Aug 11, 2010 650 days ago

It looks like RIM took a little of the competition's phones and made the Torch. I cannot wait to use one in my hands. People want the Droid, but not for the same functions as a Blackberry. I had a HTC Tilt and the Torch is the first phone that reminds me of it.

 
 
Posted by jeepzilla Wednesday, Aug 11, 2010 650 days ago

Crash and burn :( this was RIM's chance to hit it out of the ballpark.. But like always Rim is 3yrs behind
everyone else.... Im sorry i had the Curve, the storm, the Tour, and the Bold... I just jumped ship to the Droid X and I have to say I should have left aft the Storm... I do miss the BB sometimes but its night and day with Android... RIM i would love to come back but I think your the nxt Palm... Dont get me wrong people, I loved Blackberrys but all i did was waittttttttttttttttt Hell The Tour Just got os 5 3mos ago...I would come back in a heart beat to a BB but the time to step up has pasted i think...
Let the flames begin

 
 
Posted by vx1 Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 650 days ago

just fantastic Through and Through Review. Kick Ass all over the place :)

Torch Looks badass :)

 
 
Posted by fireman47960 Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 650 days ago

I left a comment when the comments numbered 181. They now number 199. But that ludicrous comment praising the review is still the first comment a person see. And I did not find any comment after 5 August. If the reviewer is going to seek comments he needs to put them in the comments section, even if they are not to his liking. The review sucks, it is inaccurate and the reviewer did not answer my question about why he says all the apps work on the 9800 w OS6 while cnet or engadget says many don't work, especially the Google ones. Crackberry is perhaps more like its name than it realizes. It is cracked. It is a silly site and a waste of time. I know this will not be printed but maybe the idiot reviewer will read this and know what the common people think of him. BS is still BS.

 
 
Posted by KiDPaul Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

Okay so if this site is so silly to you...why the hell you still here? Why are you wasting your time if you don't like this site?
Please exit the room sir, no one wants you here more than you wanna be here.

Have A Nice Day :D.

 
 
Posted by KiDPaul Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

Thanks Kevin for a great review.
Very detailed and didn't feel biased at all. It seems across the board most sites are giving this phone 4/5.
I appreciate the fact you guys did take the time out to show us a internet showdown between the torch/iphone4/samsung.
But for me surfing the web on my phone isn't something that I do more than maybe once or twice every 4 or 5 months.
I have a laptop for that lol and a netbook so no real worries about that.
One thing that is really pissing me off though is all the people who are on this site saying:
"BB sucks, Iphone/Android is awesome etc.."
No one is asking for your advice or opinion. This site is called Crackberry.com turd sniffers.
So please take your Iphone loving Android tit sucking ass' and gtfo.

Thanks again Kevin can't wait for this phone to drop in Canada.
Though I don't know if I can wait another 2-3 weeks for this thing to drop lol.

 
 
Posted by whozethere Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

Does it really only have 8 mb of internal memory? That's not enough for any dedicated smart phone user.

 
 
Posted by KiDPaul Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 648 days ago

no its 4gb internal memory and it comes with a 4gb microsd card.
So 8gb total.

 
 
Posted by Saanich Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

We got to play with the new Torch all day today. Our overall feeling is that we are VERY disappointed. The buttons are sluggish and the with the actual keyboard being slightly recessed it is hard to use. However, the main objection is actually using it as a telephone. The tabs in the phone (on the screen) are totally unresponsive. We had to hit - tap them repeatedly to get them to respond and even then they only responded randomly. We tried this on four different phones all with the same results. Our feeling is that if you really want one of these, is to wait a while till they can fix some of these issues. Very disappointed.

 
 
Posted by curvezzz Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

Absolutely love it!!! haven't even played with it yet syncing right now, can't wait! :D

 
 
Posted by leejayh Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

Great review. I just killed my BB by dropping it in water - so had to get a new one anyway. Wish this had a real processor in it - but I guess it will have to do. I get the whole battery life thing - but hey - i would rather carry extra batteries...

 
 
Posted by wharris18 Thursday, Aug 12, 2010 649 days ago

I talked to a Verizon rep and he said they were getting the Torch but no release date has ever been set. It's a flat out universal device so it is coming to Verizon, calm down people!

 
 
Posted by soogriffin Friday, Aug 13, 2010 649 days ago

Had it for a day. Love it. Great messaging and social media device. Slacker radio works pretty good on it. Haven't tried to download any music on it or yet. Still not sure if it will sync to my iTunes without any issues. Only complaint is that every now and then during a call, I get that metallic tinny sound (is that how you describe it?) The people I'm talking to say that I sound just fine. and they sound fine to me. But I hear it when I'm talking. Only happens every now and then. Nothing I'm going to lose sleep over. Anyway, that's all I have so far. Oh and the battery life is pretty good. I was trying to kill my battery all night long and it only went down halfway. That's better than my iPhone battery life.

 
 
Posted by free00byrd Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 647 days ago

Couldn't wait for the Torch to become available. Having gone through the Curve and the Bold, I was ready for touch screen. My phone is my office and a necessity to my day. It has to be reliable and a pleasure to use.

1st phone was a lemon, had to take it back tothe store. 2nd Torch is pretty good but I really miss the case - and none of the stores carry the case with the sleeper magnets. Battery died before 5 pm with moderate use.

The verdict is still out. Great new features but so far, I'm withholding my final decision...

 
 
Posted by tateberry Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 646 days ago

Great phone, but wish I could use this with tmobile..got mine unlocked but can't solve the browser config problem...apparently new software is not supported by anyone except AT&T

 
 
Posted by Hyperplex Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 646 days ago

What else do you expect on a BlackBerry site but a positive BlackBerry review? Biased.....

This phone is an abysmal failure and this is the ONLY positive review I have seen anywhere on the web. I can't believe there was actually an argument made that a faster processor would have been a detriment. There is a reason every single other smartphone maker out there is pushing for GHz+ CPU clock speeds: it's what the software, and the consumer, is demanding.

Every other review of this phone I've read has complained vehemently about the lack of power under the hood. Gripes about sluggish browser rendering speeds and responsiveness abound. I can't actually believe the screen only received a "HoHum" rating. The screen is physically larger than most other BlackBerry screens, yet the resolution has remained the same; there's no excuse for not upping the resolution, especially on a flagship device.

RIM has never skimped on build quality (save for the damn battery doors on the Verizon Tours) so I'm not surprised at all by its solid build. That said, OS 6 has been likened to a jumbled mess of a company scrambling to adapt their platform to a touchsreen interface. As it is, the OS has been seen chugging on the Torch; what happens when it's loaded onto a Pearl 3G which has half the onboard RAM?

I used to be an avid BalckBerry supporter and loved all of my previous phone, but I am now and Android user. A year ago I would have nothing else but a Berry, but now that is not the case. RIM's development has stagnated. They've JUST released a Webkit browser capable of a real display of the web? Something that the iPhone and Android have had for a long time? Oh, and it won't even be available for older handsets? Still stuffing a 600MHz chip into the device to run your "next-gen" OS? You'll get the same results putting a go-cart engine in a Cadillac Escalade.

Wake up, RIM. You have to do a lot better than this for everyone else to not eat your lunch. If this truly is the best BlackBerry yet, and the best you have to offer, you've got a lot of explaining to do.

 
 
Posted by bakron1 Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 645 days ago

I bought a brand new Torch on Sunday at the AT&T store and right out of the box when trying to set up my email account on GMail, I kept getting "Invalid User name or Password" I tried everything and could not get it to work.

I am an IPhone user and setting up GMail using and exchange server was a breeze. This is a bunch of BS. I was so excited on going back to Blackberry to get away from push email on the IPhone 4 and this really let me down. I am a pretty Tech savoy person and have never had that much of a problem getting my GMail account set up on ANY other device.

To make matters worse, I took the device back to get a refund and they charged me a 35.00 restocking fee for something they new did not work when I was at the store the previous day. I changed my plan back to the IPhone 4 and now I least have a working device to access my GMail account.

Well RIM , you let me down

 
 
Posted by zygote12 Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 644 days ago

When I was in the software industry, we would never rely on the first release of anything From Microsoft Office, through Modzilla Firefox. I should have brought that tenure to the purchase of the Torch.

There is a lot of potential to this product, however, the first go round is full of bugs! This is not unexpected and hopefully they will get enough feedback to release a new firmware update soon.

Sound - the sound on events or contacts or even playing an MP3 will stop. When you go to play an MP3, it tells you it cannot. A reset fixes this.

Facebook - There will be times that it cannot connect to the Facebook server. Again a reset fixes this.

Email - There will be times when my personal email will not come down. It's very intermittent. Again, a rebook fixes this.

The GUI interface - When you open the slider to put in your password, one has to hit the track pad twice to have it enter. This is constant. In addition to that, the track pad will not navigate over the screen for a delay of up to 3 seconds. Once this period has expired, it will work fluidly. However, there are bumps once in a while.

I have also, yet to post a picture to facebook taken from the torch. I can post status and what not, but not pictures.

Hopefully, RIM will get an update out to address these issues.

Jeff

 
 
Posted by hummer010 Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 642 days ago

This phone looks like the perfect upgrade to my old Tour! I love the hybrid approach!

 
 
Posted by bschoed Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 642 days ago

I hope they bring this or something similar to Verizon soon.

 
 
Posted by simzie03 Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 642 days ago

It's sad that this device is only on AT&T. I think an ebay purchase to get an unlocked one is risky.

 
 
Posted by spades101 Friday, Aug 20, 2010 641 days ago

I think it looks great and the slider is a obviously a unique feature for blackberry. I have never owned a slider cell phone, however, this WILL be my first!

 
 
Posted by ccb4life Tuesday, Aug 24, 2010 638 days ago

is a huge let down. I went to an AT&T store yesterday to physically test out a Blackberry Torch. My intent was to test it out and then buy it.

RIM totally messed this one up. How can you come out with a next-generation cell phone and not have at least a 1Ghz processor and a better resolution screen? I could have dealt with some of the lagging from the web brower because I know that software updates can improve performance. The screen resolution was average at best. What I cannot deal with is comparing current cell phone screens to this one. What I cannot deal with is an operating system that can only get marginally better because of limited processor power.

OS6 is a winner for me and so is the slider keyboard. I like how OS6 incorporates a lot of good features. I could use the keyboard just as easily as I could with every other blackberry I have owned, including my 8530 for work.

Lastly, if this is a next-generation business phone, why not consider a front-facing camera? This is not just for "toy" cell phones.

I use a blackberry for work but I wanted one for my personal use again. I wanted the freedom to load and modify a blackberry the way I wanted to. I have owned a 8330, 8530, 9000, 9630 and 9700 (AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint). I ended up buying an iphone for now because of the way it shows folders for Yahoo, Gmail, and Mobile Me.

RIM, you get an "F" for trying to catch up to the rest of the cell phone world. Get a clue and do not make yourself obsolete. Business is a steady flow of cash, but don't miss out on those of us who are business customers who eagerly want to be personal customers as well.

 
 
Posted by raameen Monday, Aug 23, 2010 639 days ago

I think the OS 6 is making all the action in torch, beside OS 6 its just another BB, I agree though on some hardware upgrades though, but this PS6 really rocks, cant wait to get it on my 8330 . I know it wont happen soon lol
thanks for the video CB team, you guys are awesome.

 
 
Posted by LoneWolf15 Monday, Aug 23, 2010 638 days ago

A lot of this phone is really cool. But the lack of innovation in display technology, faster processor, or better battery life is really disappointing. Lock-in to AT&T also kills it.

I'd really like to see a groundbreaking BlackBerry, but the 9650, 9780, and 9800 aren't huge improvements over previous models.

 
 
Posted by linmar29 Monday, Aug 23, 2010 638 days ago

when will the BB touch be available in the UK? replies asap please

 
 
Posted by Skinnygirl Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 636 days ago

After reading all the comments from iphone, droid, BB users. I did just switch to the Torch from my Bold 9000.

I will say this: IF YOU ARE A LOYAL BB LOVER, YOU WILL ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT, LOVE THE TORCH.

If you're thinking of switching from iphone or Droid to BB. Don't do it!

Loyal BB users love the RIM/BB only features and the NO BullSh!t email capabilities. And those of us who work or play with other BB users, love sending pics, voice notes, contacts via BBM and wouldn't know what to do without it. THAT'S ME!

"I", just like some others have tried the iphone. Used it for 29 days (which felt like 500) and couldn't wait to go back to my, Spellchecking, Cut- n- Paste, Add To Contacts, reliable Blackberry.

That's the plain truth! Blackberry is for the business person first. iphone and droid is more for play. All are great phones depending on what you want to do with it.

Look how far we've come from the Startac?

 
 
Posted by renovator Thursday, Aug 26, 2010 636 days ago

...between waiting for the Pearl 9100 and this. agh! i think i'll wait it out. my 8900 can soldier on for now.

 
 
Posted by diZm4L Friday, Aug 27, 2010 634 days ago

hate the 9800 with a passion, after having it for a couple of days.

a heavy flimsy brick that dreams of being an iphone and bb at the same time, achieves neither.

really have no clue what all the rave was about.
my respect for RIM is ruined.

(back to my 9700, wish it had more memory and faster processor).

What they SHOULD HAVE DONE: put some decent proc/memory into 9700 and tweak the OS a bit. would've had a winner. me sad.

 
 
Posted by dcwine Wednesday, Sep 01, 2010 629 days ago

The phone looks awesome! But it sucks that its on AT&T. So I wont be getting one as long as that's the case

 
 
Posted by ms_lady_bb Wednesday, Sep 08, 2010 623 days ago

i recently got my torch about 2 weeks ago i would say and i switched from verizon's bold 9650 which is awesome and i can say i find myself wanting it back sometimes due to the silent and soft keys and not having to slide it up but then again OS 6 is awesome i can get on more sites without it asking me for java script and the browser is alot faster which was never a problem unless i was in a hurry lol but i have come to love my torch plus i cant wait to buy the white housing oh white is so sexy on a bb i almost got the 9700 when i switched to at&t but thought let me try this new one and im glad i did (some days lol) but then again no one has created the perfect phone maybe in the future they will do a personality test to see what phone fits u best. If blackberry would let me custom build my phone i would so pick the torch but w a sure press touch screen bc i miss the compact qwerty board even though its on here too but sure press is awesome, keep the pinch zoom i love it but have the bold 9650 soft silent keys def would keep the trackpad put the left convenience key back bc i need voice command when driving but i need my camera button too but i could compromise and would widen it a little bit lk the bold 9000 then it would be perfect and the option to have a sure press screen, or a glass lk screen or a screen u can use ur nails on would suit so many ppl! so blackberry if you decide to create 3 diff models or my exact model w the sure press i better get some credit and one free lol no..im serious though and pls make one of white and black :) but ne ways i do love my torch and its getting better everyday so if ur wondering whether or not 2 get it go for it!

 
 
Posted by ms_lady_bb Wednesday, Sep 08, 2010 623 days ago

I have had the droids and tried the iphone but blackberry does it for me it all depends on what u want out of a phone i need my emails asap and i love bbm i get facebook just the same as any android phone or iphone and RIM may be a bit behind w speed of the net but the torch is a big improvement if u have no business then go w android for social and shopping and all the little tricks it can do. i run my biz perfectly w my bb and android would send me my emails a day late and that made me some dollars short if ya feel me on that! overall its all about what u need in a phone. So if ur not sure what u want write a list of the options u want then go to the store and try it out and whichever phone gets the most check marks is the one you should go with that would be the easy thing to do instead of stressing yourself about being stuck w a phone u hate for 2 yrs or forking out the extra cash to switch phones. Good luck to everyone deciding on what suits u best for me its blackberry baby!!!

 
 
Posted by Intouchu Thursday, Sep 09, 2010 621 days ago

I love BB Phones would love too have an unlocked version other than ATT

 
 
Posted by eiermann831 Friday, Sep 10, 2010 621 days ago

I will definitely get the torch, very nice looking phone and the 5.0 mega-pixel is awsome.
What kind of zoom does this have and can you do a sports type picture where it takes 4 pictures in a second?
Also can you zoom with the video?

Very nice!

 
 
Posted by House seller Saturday, Sep 11, 2010 620 days ago

Great review Kevin. Having owned a Curve 8310 and Bold 9700, and now the Torch, I can say that the Torch is awesome! It's the best of both worlds, touch screen and still physical keyboard. I enjoy mine more every day as I get more and more used to it. I use it mostly for business, but love surfing the web on the touch screen when not working. Good Job RIM!

 
 
Posted by Strawberry632 Sunday, Sep 12, 2010 619 days ago

I'm so interested by this phone!! especially by the physical keyboard and the Touchscreen keyboard!
Is that mean that i'll be able to text with the touchscreen keyboard (landscape)?

Sorry for my bad english!

 
 
Posted by ms_lady_bb Monday, Sep 13, 2010 618 days ago

yes hun it has the landscape touch keyboard when u turn it sideways either way. upside right you have 3 choices of touch keypads you want compact qwerty or full qwerty and the dial pad keypad. you'll love it.

 
 
Posted by aphrodaisy Thursday, Oct 07, 2010 594 days ago

for the longest time i was debating switching over to iphone, just because i have the macbookpro, the ipad, the ipod touch... i wanted to streamline my syncing of information. when i lost my 8900 curve this past weekend, i said i'd try the torch. i had it for 2 days and i am completely in love with my new phone so much that the thought of switching over to iphone has completely been pushed out of the picture.

the torch has everything i love about the iphone AND all the superior functions of the blackberry. the only thing that kind of sucks is that some of the apps i'm used to haven't caught up and released updates compatible with the 6.0 OS yet. oh well, the new functions that Torch has totally outweighs the slight inconveniences that incompatiblity has caused. the #1 thing that is noticibly improved is the browser load speed. that, and the torch is PRETTY. XD

 
 
Posted by awong9 Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010 589 days ago

I'm using the Torch now, it's great! So much faster than other bbs I had (9000,8100,8900). OS and touch screen is amazing, not as smooth as iphone, but still amazing.
Pros: Best BB out right now, love the design and solid feel. screen, photos, speed is great.
Cons: I wish it had a click (like iphone) when typing on the touch screen, so I know that pressed hard enough. Batt-Pull restart is super fast sometimes, but has froze during restart a couple times for me. Battery last only a day, 1.5 days max :(
I rate this phone 5/5!

 
 
Posted by sarapolly Wednesday, Oct 27, 2010 574 days ago

It seems that BlackBerry Torch receive best control over the thoughts discussed, Just like my caretaker gives a good pest control. I like this story

 
 
Posted by lowrider144 Friday, Jan 21, 2011 488 days ago

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Posted by Bsaah Wednesday, Dec 01, 2010 539 days ago

Another Great review! Im a kinda expert when it comes to these things! The Palm Pre's build qaulity is horrible, it cracks when theres alot of use of it, I tested this out at a att store and the build qaulity is very good!, the camera was ok, the Apple Iphone 4 camera is horrible and the attena issue is horrible too! please note that we are comparing Apple and Blackberry, Different Brands!!

 
 
Posted by kieln13 Wednesday, Dec 08, 2010 532 days ago

So i just re read the torch review after reading the bold 9780 and getting to the open GL part. Well i have to say i'm not too happy after i realized that my new so called latest and greatest torch didnt even receive open GL chipset. I think thats BS when the torch is supposed to be there flagship super great blah blah. Anyways i really hope RIM really puts some thought and with there new team members the start kicking some apple ass !!

 
 
Posted by ccacw Thursday, Dec 09, 2010 531 days ago

What a great review! Thanks for all of the detailed information!

 
 
Posted by anticool Saturday, Dec 18, 2010 521 days ago

blackberry torch 9800 buy this cheap. http://blackberrytorch9800.go2store.com/

 
 
Posted by Don57 Sunday, Dec 26, 2010 513 days ago

Hi guys, I own(ed) - stolen - a 9520. My telephone company (Vodafone in Italy) does not provide anymore the 9520, it provides the 9800 instead.
I was happy with the 9520 (I owned previously a 9500), given that my primary use was an heavy use of email and phone/notes.
Yes I realized the web browsing was a pain and I read that it is now improved.

Can any of you make a comparison 9520 vs. 9800 as a user? Thanks!

 
 
Posted by siddo_d Wednesday, Aug 03, 2011 294 days ago

I LOVE BLACKBERRY TORCH!

 
 
Posted by BlackberryMadMeatho13 Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 273 days ago

I want a Torch soooooooo bad but I don't have the money for one. It sucks. Love you Crackberry

 
 
Posted by wilshany Saturday, Oct 01, 2011 234 days ago

omg i love that phone its gorgeous i really really really hope i get one of those

 
 
Posted by coptrdr.pierre Friday, Oct 14, 2011 221 days ago

Nice phone, I find the slide out keyboard a bit awkward to use because of the raised rim around the outside. It keeps you from getting your fingers on the alt button when using it to activate the numbers when typing.

Other than that it is easily the best BB yet!