BlackBerry intends to support legacy BBOS devices indefinitely

By Bla1ze on 2 Jan 2014 06:08 pm
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Chances are if you follow BlackBerry news, you caught some headlines regarding BlackBerry planning to drop support for legacy BlackBerry OS come 2015. The comments themselves stem from Managing Director of BlackBerry India, Sunil Lalvani, in a recent interview given to DNA India. We never reported on the news but it has been a hot topic in the forums so to better help get BlackBerry's actual message out there here's the official statement from BlackBerry on the matter.

BlackBerry intends to support the BlackBerry operating system indefinitely. Any comments to the contrary are not correct.

So that's that. With BlackBerry having sold more BlackBerry 7 devices in the last quarter than BlackBerry 10 devices, the statement of their indefinite support really shouldn't be all that surprising. Needless to say, a time will come when BBOS will no longer be relevant but it's certainly not going to be in 2015.

162 comments

Playbook007

They have to. It simply is a must!

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Bla1ze

Yup. Makes me wonder though, if something got lost in Sunil Lalwani's conversation. Not exactly the best message to put out there. :/

darkehawke

Makes me wonder if he was meaning that there is no plans to cut support for BlackBerry os.
That becomes a different message then

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route664

i agree and i'm floored.. this could be what's been talked about in a long time in the forums. blackberry controlled corporate communication.. the old blackberry staff would not had a follow up and all of the "analysts" out there would be touting the death of blackberry because they're getting going to lose service revenue. i sense a change in the air.. or maybe it's just the winter snow storm coming.

BCITMike

He probably meant that they will not develop new functionality. It's like XP having to extend support years past original date due to high customer adoption and for security fixes.

freddysrevng3

They will be making less expensive OS7 phones at Foxconn. This is, probably, part of a new strategy Argo the announcement. Should not be that surprising.

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RubberChicken76

In the earnings call, John Chen said the Jakarta is BlackBerry 10

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dansus

Nokia said at least 2016.

Over the last few months servers have been going dark, and as of now the app store is frozen.

Kobe Barksdale

Puts the rumors to rest

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birdman_38

Note to Chen: reign in your team.

550WHAT

I have a Z10, supported? duh.
I want to go back to using a Bold9930 as well, for some of the many awesome features of BBOS.
Thank you, BlackBerry, for the continued support.

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garrett lajoie

What are some features that BBOS has that BB10 doesn't?

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rat_time

Themes lol

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redlightblinking

Trackpad
Charging contacts
home screen background (themes like wx, calendar, etc like on Android)
Notification profiles per account
individual email account icons
envelope icons on banner...no need to "check" for it.
phone and home key
back button
Green network light blink
all apps "headless"
various text editing advantages
Wifi network name indicator
app for auto wifi on/off by location

mjdimer

Restart after every install, slow as anything, barely any memory for headless apps, buttons that wear out. The positives should be matched with the negatives - those negatives are more than enough to be on BB10.

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redlightblinking

Restart after every install? And this happens.....how often?

Yes, it's slower at some apps not designed for it. But nothing is faster than a 9900 at everyday communications.

Buttons that wear out? huh? My buttons are like the day it came out of the box. Even my old curve is like day one, minus the trackball that got dirty after 3 years.

Those "negatives" don't even move the needle.

tvst28

I can see about 3-4 points are about the trackpad or some buttons. Why would you put those on BB10 devices when the OS is built around gestures? And the gestures work really well at that.

Anubhav Nagpal

^^^^^THIS

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Bacon Munchers

Tit-for-Tat argument (no pun intended), is exactly why they need to have both systems.

The blur comes in where Android apps start to emerge on bb10. This is really cool, but not sure what the direction is here.

redlightblinking

Because gestures are more physically intensive.
Because gestures don't have anything to do with precise editing or even selecting a link on page.

tvst28

Editing is a snap on BB10. I'll admit it wasn't quite there yet when the platform launched but in the subsequent updates/leaks, they have made tremendous progress.

Also, gestures are not always more physically intensive. Almost always, I put in way less effort to accomplish tasks on my Z10. Depends on what you have to do the most everyday and your comfort level I guess, and that's why I agree with @Bacon Munchers above saying that there is a market for both. However, at some point in the not-so-distant future, it will not be financially viable to keep producing and selling legacy devices.

BagusTiko

And contact grouping. I missed them.
And for BBM i missed broadcast to BBM contacts group. Please BlackBerry, i need those features. Yes i am using application for that feature, but...

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Dave Bourque

Contact grouping is in 10.2.1 and so are many other legacy features.

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davehong

+1 text selection was so much easier with a trackpad!
With my Q10, it's a little more unwieldy. I wonder if there's a way to incorporate the Q10's keyboard to do finer selection, faster?

Prem WatsApp

WASD substitute arrow keys, been hoping for that since I got my Q10 in July.

Zzzzwiped from a Zedevice....

dpeters11

I can't remember which version it was in, maybe 10.1, but I have a different sound and vibrate settings for email compared to my work email.

Anilu7

I miss two - the trackpad and BIS email. I find the trackpad better than the BB10 circle for text selection and editing. Far more exact. I have needed push email on many occasions, and while Outlook.com says it is push, it is sometimes unreliable. If BlackBerry are reading this, I'd say offer BIS email for a fee to BB10 users as not all of us have BES.

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Puz_zled

Yes please!!! True push email with secure encrypted cloud storage of the archived emails. People would buy this as an add on service. My Yahoo email is brutal! Routinely 10 -15 min from other person's send to my receiving it and my Yahoo account was hacked twice. Bring back BBMail!

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joeldf

I wonder if another manager will be getting the boot soon because of this.

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jeffbenf

None of the phones in the market can replace my bold 9900...

camera531

Why wouldn't you go with a Q10?

YourMobileGuru

Have you actually used both devices ? The devices may look similar, but functionally they are quote different. There are many features of BB OS that haven't made it into BB 10 yet.

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camera531

I have both. Used the Verizon 9900 for over a year and now have the unlocked Q10 direct from BlackBerry (LTE on AT&T). I agree that some OS7 features haven't made it to BB10 (along with many apps, ironically), but overall, BB10 is far superior and the Q10 hardware (screen especially, along with ALL DAY battery life) is much better. I couldn't go back to the 9900 full time now that I've been using the Q10 for months.

mousii

Same for me here. Used 9900 for 2 years but now that I have a Q10 for sure I can't go back. The only thing that I miss is the trackpad for editing text (nothing else) but... what the heck, how much editing do I need to do?
For sure Q10 is really the best!

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camera531

The Q10 is the best phone I've ever used and I've used just about all of them. It's more than just apps and specs and ppi. It's the feel, the flow of the OS, the vibe. The overall experience that goes beyond spec sheets and blog reviews. The Q10 is like a vintage sports car - you either get it or you don't.

BagusTiko

Chen, please listen to this guy!

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stanislavski

Ditto! Best device ever

BerryRipe

I like my Q10 but I sometimes miss my 9930 because of the trackpad and BBOS features.

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LeroyP09

What's the point of a track pad with touch screen and qwery

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redlightblinking

9900 has a touch screen. Trackpads are another option, are more precise, and let you use the phone with gloves on! It's also much quicker since you don't have to stretch your thumb to select things, just hover thumb over trackpad and select what you want. I routine use both touch screen or trackpad, depending on how I'm holding the phone, etc.

cbvinh

Cursor placement precision. Text selection precision.

Currently, I'm tapping multiple times to place the cursor. For text selection, it takes multiple taps to get the selection, then dragging the "water drops" is cumbersome. Having the big circle and larger "water drops" helps, but it was easier/quicker with the trackpad.

mousii

I agree with this.. come on, how much editing do we need to do? And actually I got better at using these "drops" or the circle. Not as good as the trackpad but ok in the end.

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davehong

Agreed - I do tons of editing on my Q10, and wish it'd be faster.

Puz_zled

Conservation of thumb movement.

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FrankDLR1972

Sorry, I have a 9930 that I keep to play with on WiFi while my Z10 is charging. I have to say, that old thing should be put to rest. I can barely do twitter (IMHO, T4BB is one of the best made BlackBerry apps on BBOS) without it freezing or having to wait & wait for pictures to load. Yes, I'm sure there are features that BB10 needs to add to complete what BBOS has today, but let's be honest with ourselves, it should go away and soon. Let's move on people.

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Rootbrian

You should try ubersocial, it is far better and no lag what-so-ever when loading pictures OR the timelines. ;)

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heyjohnnybravo

Many BBOS users simply will never give it up and just can not move on. They need their trackpad!

fschmeck

To me the Web browser alone makes it really hard to go back to BB7. That said, I do wish they had kept a track pad on BB10. Selecting text is a pain in all touch screen phones.

Ever since I first saw the virtual track pad on the Origami browser on the PlayBook I wondered why they haven't done something like that at least.

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BryantCarpio

This is good to hear, wonder if we will see production of new OS7 devices.

christoph77

They have to commit to bbos, they can't risk losing these clients + Enterprise customers are largely BBOS (for the moment being).

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YourMobileGuru

Exactly

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turfblade

OS7 is old news, worry about the future.

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LeroyP09

OS7 and BB10 must Co exist as the enterprise is mostly BBOS devises for now. As the BB10 gets older and more notice the QNX as a superior platform for its ability alone keeping both is a good idea. I miss my 9930 but love my Z30 and Z10 even more. Worst part is which devise to use each day in conjunction with my pebble

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mousii

Use a Q10 :) it think it is really the best from the line-up

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redlightblinking

They are worried about the future, which is why they aren't going to alienate the vast majority of the user base and the users buying BB's the most.

YourMobileGuru

Yet it significantly outsells BB 10. They can not afford to cut off their noses despite their faces and alienate their core customer base.

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mnhockeycoach99

You mean "to spite their face"? ;-)

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leejayh

What we need Blackberry to do is aggressively convert all BES serviced to the latest so that all of their devices are supported. Especially the ones from the big carriers.

Then add a new BIS-like security value prop back into consumer services

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Anilu7

And have BES 10 support BBOS devices. Get everyone off BES 5.

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DaSchwantz

Yeah I agree. At some point they should just push out a mandatory BES 10 upgrade as the only way to keep BBOS.

mousii

Consumers don't care about security... sad but true. all it is important for consumers is to have games :(

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Dave Bourque

If they didn't care about security. Snowden would not have been news.

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mar09

And then they go back On their words like how they go back on the playbook I bought one of the bb10 they better not disappoint me like how they disappointed me will the playbook.

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LeroyP09

The PB will be revived in one way or another.

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Playbook007

I believe we will see another update.

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StoicEngineer

Somehow, I agree. Just a feeling that there will be a dawning recognition that a tablet is a necessary BUSINESS tool.

Not necessarily a PlayBook update, but perhaps a larger standalone BB10 tablet. Not phablet, BTW - well, maybe bluetooth, but not hold-plank-to-head phablet. Pairing with another BB10 device will be a key feature.

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Spades1234

Lol, they're supported them cause they are selling so many of them still relative to BB10 devices.

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AWB70

Without raking over old ground how can the PlayBook be classed as eol when they still sell them yet they will support an os6 phone which they won't sell any of?

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iwasspartacus

It's bbry. They don't have their shit together.

Does that help?.

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coffee-turtle

I don't know all the business side of things, but it just doesn't feel right to abandon loyal consumers just because they can't continue to upgrade their older devices. It's great that just because something is a little old It isn't useless.

LeroyP09

Exactly just like all the old ginger bread and ICS androids out there. Have to keep the old with the new.

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BBMarnel

Soooo they should be implementing a trade in promotion to get those legacy users onto BB10. By doing this, you keep those legacy users from going to iOS, Android or even Windows. KEEPING legacy users and growing the BB10 user base should be the main focus. No one's gonna stay on legacy forever. Not when the focus on ALL platforms is apps. Something all BlackBerry users know is lacking vastly in both Legacy and BB10 devices.

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YourMobileGuru

That's a good idea but as hard as it is for some to believe there are a significant number of people who not only like BB 7 better but actually go back to it after trying BB10. They can't turn their backs on them.

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redlightblinking

Perhaps you're forgetting that those BBOS people are on BBOS for a reason, otherwise they would have switched to iOS or Android long ago. Yes, keeping legacy users should be the main focus....THUS this announcement for legacy users. No one's gonna stay on ANY OS forever, so what is the point? You don't think that legacy users realize....by now.....that they might not have as many apps as the teenage girls with iphones? You don't think that maybe there is another reason they still have the BBOS phone?

Francois1988

A good idea overall. But one thing that I know still makes people buy BBOS phones is that in many third world countries data is STILL absurdly expensive. BIS is one thing that I do sometimes miss. My phone is fully a personal phone, so I can survive with my 250MB data allocation (yes, in SA that is the norm for a contract. A 1GB+ here costs both arms, both legs, and more).

What I don't get is why they don't implement some of the features people have been asking for. The app gap is the app gap. Until they get a way to get big name apps over as native, that won't change. But sites like CB seems to be made for that. Browse around here a bit, and actually look at what people want. For some the difference between BBOS and BB10 is a few "essential" features. Nothing more.

Sorry for the long essay.

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za_berry

Couldn't agree more Francois.

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nick canada

Once BlackBerry and Foxconn start pumping out properly priced BlackBerry 10's I think we will see some aggressive numbers coming in. I bought 2 Z10's at launch (one for the wife) and recently a Z30, I'm clearly ready to pay for a BlackBerry but not $400 for the Q5 if they couldn't sell it for $200.00 they should not have made it. (IMO)

To convince companies to get BES10 they need to be affordable, way cheaper than an apple option. Maybe make a deal for management when you buy so many Q5 like devices and management gets so many Z10 or Q10 devices at the same price.

The people I see with older BlackBerry devices usually don't care much about which phone they use or cannot afford an upgrade, retaining these people st their next upgrade is going to be key.

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erott

Why didn't BlackBerry come out and state this themselves in a press release or as official commentary. Instead, a BlackBerry employee says one thing, everyone is left wondering, and it takes CrackBerry to get the real scoop. This is a perfect example of part of their problem. Leaving people hanging seems to be their specialty.

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jic999

Now way to sub the Bold 9900 with the Q5 ?

My aunt a crusty old BlackBerry user says her Q5 is the best thing she had ever done for the price !

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milo53

Question.....are these, Legacy devices, still in production?

mousii

Loool, yes, and selling better than BB10s. Be more on Crackberry, they cover all this stuff :)

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BBMarnel

Expanding and updating BB10 should be the focus. Its great that they support Legacy devices but the future is BB10. They should be giving credits to Legacy user to UPGRADE to BB10. They don't know marketing at ALL!

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redlightblinking

If they already have a customer...(BBOS) they aren't doing any positive marketing by simply converting that customer to another one of their products. They need to get NEW customers. That's what marketing is for. If they want BBOS users to switch to BB10.....FIX IT. Bring all the features that BBOS has and then we'll think about it.

berries_good

Long transition from legacy to bb10..........................................

pastorbrad

Well whoop. Isn't that big of them?

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Tris77

I think blackberry know the transition to bb10 will be slow. Its essential that blackberry supports it's bread and butter for now. This is a move that will create stability and help to send a clear signal that they are strong and here to stay. This is how you gain trust. Well done blackberry.

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Shanerredflag

Nice quick response...that's "the winds of change" folks :)

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moriba73

This is really dumb, they need to stop supporting the legacy devices and force people into buying BB10 devices. BB10 is the future regardless of the sales figures for BB07 devices.

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redlightblinking

Why do they need to do this? Why would they force their precious customers that are dwindling in numbers....to make a decision between staying with Blackberry but losing their BBOS awesomeness, or going somewhere else? Why in the world would they do that? They KNOW the BBOS is their base, the strongest selling phone. Lots of products are "the future" of whatever market they serve....doesn't mean their manufacturers simply abondon all other products and HOPE all of their current customers make a new choice to stick with them. Crazy.

Pilot Prop

I think it's a good idea to still support the legacy OS. Some people are die hard BBOS fans.

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Francois1988

And price/data wise. In African countries they are still wildly popular. Those carriers are also partially to blame. Look at the South African data bundle prices...

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Tris77

You can't force people to buy something. All you can do is give them choice..... and then support them. As Kevin pointed out earlier, there is a lot of negativity. Sometimes reading these comments I struggle to see the support in people.

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Dj Teknision

They have to support, not many legacy BlackBerry users have moved on to BB10. Change makes folks uncomfortable.

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redlightblinking

Change makes folks uncomfortable with the change takes away a long list of power-user features. Why make that change? This is the exact reason why BBOS users are slow to migrate.

quickinstinct

This is great news. Refreshing in the face of companies like Apple that drop support rapidly for devices and OSes. And good to see Blackberry's core market is still strong.

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SparkyBC

Wtf are you talking about apple pretty much supports every device still with os7 unless you got some old crappy 2/3gen touch

1roguecanuck

Haven't we received false information from BlackBerry India in the past? I could be mistaken on this.

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YTDW2000

BB10 will eventually catch fire, but for now this is a great strategy keeping Enterprise happy with what they know and trust until enough time to repair the goodwill has passed.

This lynch mob mentality the world suddenly took towards BlackBerry has got to end sometime.

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pgg101

OS7 is a POS. I have a Z30 for personal use, and eagerly waiting for my work Bold to be upgraded to Z10....should be any day now. It's so hard to go from BB10 to 7.

Bbry may support it but no doubt more and more app developers will stop as the customer base shrinks. I'd give it 3 years after the last Bold is shipped out before it's done.

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jayemmbee

Just get rid of bbos already. If people wanna hang on to dead os let them but do at the risk of no support. , bb10 is the future

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Lostonline

So glad you have no position of importance @ BlackBerry!

If they abandon support for hardware in use, the people with those legacy devices will abandon BB and adopt an Android or iPhone.

CDN BB

redchilli88

They had too, but in reality I don't think a company can support any of its products "indefinitely".

ikalinin

Yes, it does not say os7. It just say BB OS. which may mean 7 and/or 10. Right now, they are staying safe with a "vague" response. Even if they say OS7, today it may be indefinitely, but next month, it may be cut. Right now, they need all the positive PR they can get...

Jet Mijares

So can i still buy a blackberry 7.1 device? Is it still ok to buy one? Planning to buy either a blackberry 9320 or a 9360 as my secondary device .. im using a Q5 as my primary phone..

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Whyareallthegoodnamestaken

Support is one thing, they should definitely support it, but I really hope they don't launch another new OS7 phone.

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nt300

+1
That would be sending the wrong message.
Despite BB7 outselling BB10 for obvious reasons, one being they messed up marketing and device prices, but at the same time BB7 devices have gone way down in sales also.

Had they not tried to sell the company, BB10 along with strong marketing, working with carriers and pricing BB10 devices properly and not overprice them, BB10 would have sold 100x more phones IMO.
BlackBerry's previous management team really dropped the ball on BB10 sales, and they put absolutely no effort in it.
Just look at how many changes Chen has done to BBRY to date? He's moving forward, and with him he brings fire and brimstone. Equating fire to BB10 hardware and brimstone to the people that will buy them and love them ;)

acovey

I'm glad BB is supporting BBOS, I have one year on my existing contract and I WANT a slider like my 9810 so I will waite even without any upgrades.

lnichols

Good to see BlackBerry communications is still a disaster. Maybe one day they will learn to manage the message.

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cartoon2007

Q10 vs 9900 blah blah blah...the Q and BB10 is still relatively new

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kjpeigan

I rock the Z30...legacy still has many uses, especially with business communications environment...productivity vs playtime (haha)...good job BlackBerry...don't bite the hand that feeds you...I have a nexus 7, but it's been collecting dust on the shelf since I started full time on the Z30...

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stackberry369

But Google still got your money.....sooo

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VR6

Smart move

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raino

What is it with BlackBerry India's MDs making idiotic at worst, incorrect at best statements? First Sunil Dutt, now this guy.

chicofehr

I wish the Q10 had home screen application shortcuts. Never use the universal search. On the 9900 I just pressed S if I wanted that which I don't. I got a Q10 for this exact reason and now It seems it will never happen :( Also for the typing of course. I can still type without looking.
Also I hope the Leave It On app comes to BB10 now that it supports headless.

mousii

All this will be available right in the next upgrade. Patience... maybe a couple of month or less?

I bought the Q10 for the same reason (one of the main ones), the ability to have shortcuts on the keyboard.

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MarkyZ10

BlackBerry 10 is fantastic but I think they lost there identity wit thus os. I think the transition should gave been more gradual. Maybe incorporating both os's just to start off with.

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katiepea

Couldn't get away from it fast enough, now can't get away from it at all

Rootbrian

I'll still be rocking my bold 9900 and Q10. Bold when Q10 is charging, Q10 when bold is off and Q10 is fully charged. Bold always comes with me regardless. Lol

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amit_rao90

I reached that article...what surprised me was when he said the Z10 & Q5 were mid tier devices and the Z30 & Q10 were high end devices. While the Z30 is the flagship, how can the Q10 be the same too? I mean, both the Z & Q have the same specs and the Q5 has lower specs than the Z10. It sounds silly, but still..

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Playbook007

The business world moves cautiously when it comes to upgrades. Individuals leap at new tech! We can step back easy if it goes wrong or play with leaks, work arounds. Smaller businesses are next. Usually the owner can make a single decision to leap. However, large corporations want to save capital expenditures, and cannot afford to be sidelined from their core business as their employees struggle with new and unproven tech. Bb10 is only 1 year old. They are not biting yet, and I wouldn't suspect they will for at least 2 or more years. If BlackBerry were to not support BBOS, then certain death is assured. No one should be surprised. No one. It's a no brainer.

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qwerty4ever

BlackBerry needs to phase-out BlackBerry 4/5/6/7 smartphones within a year and provide a trade-in programme to move users to BlackBerry 10 smartphones. If enterprise clients aren't prepared to migrate too bad when BlackBerry ends support for the legacy smartphones.

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redlightblinking

Too bad for whom? For Blackberry? Because that's who will be losing out....not the customer. Making sense yet? The customer....if forced away from OS7.... may NOT choose BB10. Why in the world would BB force their loyal customers hand and risk losing the majority of their user base? Business 101.

foobu2

Simply amazing news for all legacy user.

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yokogeri374

Great news love my 9900 typing on this device is heaven

SparkyBC

Till bbos7 is put to bed bb10 will continue to be a failure. Pretty pathetic the old devices easily outsell the next gen os easily 10 to 1. Till blackberry can get a dirt cheap phone out to these cheap markets bb10 will never gain traction overseas.

redlightblinking

Why? What does one's existence have to do with the others success? If BB10 was awesome, more people would buy it. Until then BBOS keeps the lights on.

Yes, pretty pathetic that BBOS out sells BB10. Pathetic for BB10 that is. Until their "don't worry, it will be in the next release" beta test is over, and they bother to hire a marketing department, and they get direct access to google play, nothing will change for BB10.

sigint99

BBOS still has a large installed base and to ignore this reality would be foolish. I'm pleased to see BlackBerry's commitment to their legacy platform as I just bought a new 9900 instead of a Q5 :)

StoicEngineer

"There will be support for all BB 7 devices till December 2015…then we will discontinue sales of older BB devices, and provide exchange offers and upgrade offers for existing BB 7 users, to move to BB 10 platform."

Funny after all of the discussion, I read the original statement as SALES of legacy devices will end in 2015 (really, January 2016).

Naturally, an upgrade path will be provided.

The clarifying statement from BlackBerry HQ doesn't contradict this.

(Anyone who has ever given an interview to a Journalist will understand how much is lost in transcription. Everyone listens through their personal filter. I am certain that Journalists do their best, but they don't always get it right.)

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DaSchwantz

Yep. That's a different statement completely.

BlackberryCanada

Wow!

My Z10 kills anything Apple. Period.

BlackberryCanada

Super!

My Z10 kills anything Apple. Period.

togarika

I believe it will be a big mistake, the should drop support of BBOS in 2015 as originally said by the Managing director of India. BBOS just brings in unnecessary competition for BB10 platform and added expense of maintaining two platforms. They sholud just choose one OS and stick to it. I think they should stick with BB10 because it still has room for improvements

redlightblinking

When you say "BOS just brings in unnecessary competition for BB10 platform", did you really mean to say "BOS just brings in MONEY"? Because that's why BB is keeping it. They know where their bread is buttered. BB10 adoption has been horrible for a long list of reasons. Until they address them, BBOS keeps them in business.

parthokarki

I was not sure so instead got a q10.

This keyboard love is really addicting.

:- posted from a real physical and the most advanced keyboard in the planet.

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wavemotion

Well I"m not surprised. Its a no brainer. Lets hope they can get BB10 adoption up so that the old devices can be phased out quickly.

smoothrunnings

Blaze1 - Sorry but can you provide us with the actual official public statement from BBRY that says they will be supporting their old OS indefinitely? Your statement without there being any official public statement from BBRY is simply just hearsay!

barbarianthemadserb

I hate my Q10, like my Z10, Love my legacy 9900,9930,9780,9790 (last 2 have UMA on TMO). BBos7 does me excellent! But, it is my choice and my preference. I have Android phones too but they are just toys. My daily driver is the BB9900 and BB9790. I am relieved and glad to see that Blackberry support is gonna be indefinate!

Jim Reilly1

"Indefinitely"??? How is this a good business plan. This means they'll have to keep innovating on the legacy technology...By 2015 BB7 will look so ridiculously out of date. I can't imagine developers are going to continue to develop apps for it. I realize BB10 hasn't been hugely successful in terms of sales but at least it's a modern OS that has a chance (albeit small) to compete with the other modern OSes. Divide and conquer is usually a strategy devised by opponents...not self inflicted.

redlightblinking

Ford plans to make cars "indefinitely". Is that a bad business plan?
Why would they have to keep "nnovating on the legacy technology"? It already works...thus higher sales.
How will it look "ridiculously" out of date in 12 months? Will all phones move away from being thin slabs of metal and glass with touch screens that let you touch pages of icons to open apps? Because that's exactly what BBOS....and all other smart phones .....are.
How are they "dividing and conquering themselves"? Last I checked, Ford sells more than one car. And trucks. With different engines. Sizes. Even different brands (Lincoln). GM does this too.

Jim Reilly1

I'm failing to understand your point...Ford does continue to put out new cars but I'm pretty sure they no longer support or carry parts for the Model "T".

When I pick up a BB7 device (Torch, Bold, etc) the GUI already feels prehistoric and I'm pretty confident I'm not one with this opinion. And there is good reason it feels prehistoric...BB7 is already 2+ years old. That's like a decade in technology and millennium in mobile technology...Thus by 2015, BB7 will look (even more) ridiculous. The only way to avoid this is to continue innovating and evolving BB7. Do you think BlackBerry has the resources to innovate BB7 (legacy) and BB10? I do not. BB10 is a modern and elegant OS. Granted it should have come out 2 years ago but that cannot be changed at this point.

I want BlackBerry to not only survive but to flourish. But when I read news stories like this I just lose hope.

redlightblinking

You're comparing a one hundred year old car to a phone that's only a few years old and responsible for the majority of the companies sales and user base?

Please explain how the GUI is "historic". Is it the icons that you touch? That's just art.

2 years old? iOS hasn't changed since it came out other than.....wait for it.......the icons and the functions that rip off BB. Other than that, same basic home button with icons that you slide across the screen.

What will happen in the next 12 months in other phones (that haven't changed their basic functions since the dawn of the smart phone) that will make BBOS "even more ridiculous". Will they do things by just your thoughts? I doubt it. You'll still have to hold a piece of glass and touch an icon to launch some app and then touch and slide and pitch to make it work. Just like you do now on nearly all phones, including a BBOS.

You keep asking about "innovating and evolving" BB7, but don't say why this is even a requirement? Why would they need to do this? They are simply supporting it. Selling it. That doesn't mean they promise to make it read your mind in the next 12 months.

Sure, BB10 is elegant. Modern....well....I guess that's subjective. (Personally, I think leaving behind key features make it less than modern, but I digress.) But, what does this have to do with supporting your other products? Ford/Lincoln sell modern and elegant cars, yet they still sell very popular cars too that have been around for much longer.

If you want them to survive and flourish, why do you want them to tell the vast majority of their user base to GO AWAY? Makes no sense. If BB users wanted to switch to BB10, they would have done it. If you force them to.....they just might LEAVE. Basic, basic, business. Just ask many windows 7 users, that were forced to windows 8, if decided to just buy a mac instead instead of being force fed something else. Same thing happened when Netflix forced people to a new pricing structure....massive cancellations to (at the time) their direct competitor. Basic stuff.

dzdncnfsd7373

by 2015 the old style blackberry`s be so ridiculously out of date by then wont even be funny and the z30 is best phone out there. Blackberry`s problem isn`t the product its they don`t advertize like the others and maybe bring the price down on the phones to be more competitive. Soo many i know love the new os and they will drop blackberry if this happens and i would keep my Z30 untill im a dinosaur with it lmfao <3 blackberry get more commercials and advertizing please so you can make money, costs money to make money ..............

redlightblinking

How is an "old style blackberry" ridiculously out of date? Let's see.....Latest Andriod or Iphone vs. a 9900...
Both a thin slabs of metal and glass.
Both have touch screens
Both have pitch to zoom
Both have icons on a page that you touch to launch an app and pages of them you can slide across.
Both make phone calls, texts, emails, and have internet access.
Both do wifi, bluetooth, etc
Both have a home button

So.....how are they "ridiculously out of date" again?

If you showed all three mentioned phones to someone who has never, ever seen a smart phone before, with the exception of a keyboard, they wouldn't notice any obvious difference in how they look or operate.

Jim Reilly1

@redlightblinking you are just messing with us...I'm convinced. to compare a BB7 device (take your pick) to an iPhone 4+ or a recent Android is just silly. No doubt it is this very way of thinking that has BlackBerry where they are today...on life support.

redlightblinking

I'm not "just messing". You didn't actually say how they are ridiculously out of date. Can you name any basic operational function that is "ridiculously out of date? The touch screen...the icons a sliding pages....the size? The battery life?
They are on life support because they have the worst marketing company on the planet....and got to the app game too late. That's it. Nothing else. Before iphone and it's apps...BB dominated. Apps changed everything. Beyond that, the phones do basically the same things in the same ways. And in some ways, BB does it better, even BBOS.

hastings101

That's cool. My three year old Torch 9800's trackpad is starting to not respond sometimes and I've not found a fix for it. Been afraid to upgrade to a Torch 9810 because I assumed Blackberry would drop support for the older operating system pretty soon since it's been a while since the last BBOS device and I'd be out of a couple hundred dollars. Not ready to move to a q5/10 yet, the new OS looks really confusing (also heard there is no more Gmail push e-mail?).

Oilers24

Had a Tour only thing I miss is mass deleting of email. Wish I my Q10 could do that.

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xuantruong123

wonderful! Blackberry 9900 white, it is my dream about. trackpad very nice and exactly to selection link.

agarwal.apar

They will continue to support until BlackBerry 10 penetrates completely just like legacy platform!!

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bdguru

I'm very happy to read this. I will buy a qwerty BB10 at some point. Until I have COMPLETE bridge support with BB10......I'm keeping my 9930.

Cardcleaner

If they put 4G in the Bold it would never die!

lmart

Any word on what's going on with Playbook? I would like to see continued support on that more than anything else.

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adonesc

I think that BlackBerry should focus on its new OS and how they can grow it and expand it, as well as developing a new slate of devices.

As I have witnessed here in this thread there have been reasonable postings both in favour and against legacy devices. I guess both the pros and the cons have some valid points but...

All know is that I boxed my BlackBerry Curve 9360 after less than one year of use in favour of a Z10, and I never looked back. So that is that and my two cents on legacy devices...

I want the Z10 to be supported! Besides it is a bit strange that BlackBerry is prepared to support legacy devices and their users, but does not do the same for PlayBook owners. I haven't heard a peep out of BlackBerry about any further software updates for the PlayBook, or if they ever intend to put out another tablet...

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redlightblinking

I share your view about Playbook, but the reality here is that legacy phones, and their potential for future income and retaining customers is far more important than PB. They had to make a tough decision, and PB drew the short straw.

I think the Z10 will be supported for quite a while.

I think legacy users are dying to upgrade, but only when BB finally brings along some of the key features that make BB their choice to begin with. Otherwise, if forced to choose, why stay with BB? Just go to Iphone (rolls eyes) or Android (ugh) or WP (sigh).

fast666

Good to know that.

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j jam

Soon as I come across another Bold 9930, im done with this Q10.

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acupblackberries

If anything were to happen to my z and I couldn't afford another bb10 device I would purchase a torch 9810 as my backup and be happy camper

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