QNX vs. webOS - inspiration or plagerism? lol

Its plagiarism, but what RIMM doesn't have that Amazon does have, is the ability to market their device and do a pretty damn good job.

Although I haven't seen any Kindle commercials as of late, apparently the Kindle family is coming to BestBuy and Amazon also has, well, Amazon. Good stuff.

I just sent an email to the paper about how the Fire is identical to the PB, and looks nothing like the iPad. Maybe others here can do the same? The link is at the bottom of the story after comments. Paste in the url of the story.

They had the same company design it didn't they?

I think that the Kindle Fire looks a lot more like the Barnes and Noble NookColor than the PlayBook...

kinda find the 8700 pretty sexy lining up with those devices.

If they sale more than 200,000 Kindle Fires, I'm gonna be pissed!

The RIMPIRE

Right...there are so many ways to make a 7" tablet look different from others. Let's see: rectangular form factor and 7" cutout measured on the diagonal. Stop the outrage. Amazon's flagrantly copying the PlayBook. Stop the presses. Must be a slow news day. Ridiculous and irritating post from our fearless leader.

I like my 64 GB PlayBook but I'd stop short of shrill cries of conspiracy even if it does get my site quoted by others. If you're looking for justification for this whole thread, there it is.

They shoulda work something out like a Blackberry x Amazon Tablet release togather..too bad amazon is a bigger market than RIM..

Blatant plagiarism.
RIM's legal counsel should have a heyday with this one.

Kevin,

Stop standing up for RIM and use your connections inside RIM to see why RIM is sitting still in this highly competitive market. Why is iOS and Android OS so much more intriguing to consumers? Yes this is a Pro-RIM forum, but maybe do something about it as the owner of CrackBerry instead of posting "pseudo-positive" articles.

Ever think that you may be out of a job in a year if RIM stops producing BlackBerries?

Blind RIM Fans: Don't tell me to stop reading the articles, I can read/post whatever I like

RIM is not doing shit with their hardware, might as well let Amazon use it.

My thought- RIM had contracted for way many more PBs than it ended up needing and sold the components to Amazon for the Fire. My .02.

Technically probably plagiarism, but it doesn't really upset me. There's really only so much that you can do to vary the design of a tablet. Some are more rounded, some are boxier like the PlayBook. Some are 7", some are 10". Other than that, what else are they really going to do to radically change from something that already exists?

I hate to be a spoilsport, but you all need to look up "plagiarism" in a good dictionary. The KindleFire may have copied, may have infringed patents, may have done any number of things, but plagiarism doesn't apply. Plagiarism about the unauthorized and unattributed use of words/ideas/themes, not a physical device.

and im sure no one will bitch about the size. lol amazon doing it is good but if its rim its crap. i love that.

Who cares!? Better to solve the battery and quality problems with actual devices like the 9900 and it´s wonderful battery life - THAT is a problem cause if RIM doesn't get all this little matters off... the black fruit will end in a fruit salad... without sugar;-)

Bold 9900 (yet)

7 inch Fire is dead on arrival.....now where did I hear that before.

You are spot on about that one.

Just think of all the cool holders etc. that are going to fit the playbook perfectly! yeah.

Put another way all those cases I bought for the PB will fit my Amazon Fire .... if 2.0 is a failure.

BTW does anyone know if the zinio app for Android will work with the Android player? Or is the zinio ap just for Honeycomb?

Screw the Fire..i think once 2.0 comes out the PlayBook will become much more appealing to the consumer's eye.

dramatic. over acting. its not plagiarism. stupid people.

I think that this is a perfect opportunity for RIM to advertise the PBs ability to run all of the content that companies like amazon offer (without the need of an app)

Not plagiarism in any event, and if RIM doesn't have a design patent on the PlayBook design, then there's probably no intellectual property violation, period.

This article lessens the credibility of this website.

The same logic used by the author would also label RIM as a plagiarist. Look at Android tablets that were released before the Playbook. It's not hard to find. It's not a unique design. Worse yet, how about the metal outer bezel copied from the iPhone?

You know, I walk into Best Buy and see a wall full of HD TVs. They look pretty much the same, big rectangles with big black screens when turned off. Ports and controlls about the same. Turn them on and the picture looks pretty darn the same. So is this plagarism? I don't know.

We can ask this question about PlayBook and fIRE and come up with clever entertaining questions based on our own opinions, feelings about RIM, and some general info from Wikipedia about ODMs.

But until or unless we can get our hands on the RIM agreement for the PB, we will just have to wait until RIM decides to react. Depends on what specifications they gave Quanta to design with, and what specific rights each party holds, based on their actual agreement. This will guide RIM on how to react. Or guide their improvements provided in OS2 or PB2.

Will the Kindle fire have an app for making Smores? Those things are delicious.

You say that obviously the WSJ hasn't seen a Playbook. I don't think I know anyone that's seen a Playbook. Did they ever release it? LOL

I LOVE the new Kindle Fire. I have zero interest in buying one, but it has already brought the price of better tablets (HTC Flyer as the first) into perspective and has resulted in serious cuts in price (already! only days later). Oh yeah... it's getting interesting.

Does anyone know if the Kindle will use the same swipe interface as the Playbook? Or if the charging hub and usb port are the same?

too bad playbook doesn't have lots of fun security holes :p
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/10/security-hole-in-htc-phones-...

No camera, no mic, no micro HDMI, 8GB of storage. I also can't see any visible speakers. You are getting what you pay for: 199$
Playbook: Dual cam, dual mic, dual speakers, micro HDMI 16gb: 400$

Although you only have 8GB on it, I saw in a video that your information is stored in the Amazon cloud, so storage space is apparently never an issue.

I'm from Canada but we're speaking USA here because the Kindle Fire isn't featured on the Canada site. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure it will be on its way.

I will say it's smoother than the Playbook and pages load very fast. I read some information, however if you are a Blackberry Owner, I don't think you'll find the Fire a better idea. I still find that the Playbook gives you more power: The bezel swipe and sliding to another opened application.

After reading about it, the tablet seems limiting to me. Personally, I find the interface very crowded and the reason why it is more smooth is because the interface seems simpler. I did a CTRL+F of the word multitasking and found nothing (same with micro HDMI). Then again I read on another source that it has multitasking just like other androids.

Can someone with more knowledge correct me on these issues?

As someone who has spent quite a bit of time looking at the intellectual property issues behind appropriation art (thinking mostly about the aesthetic implications of judgments like Prince v. Cariou; link below), I think this comes down to the contractual obligations agreed to by the respective companies rather than something that is handled as a part of patent law.

The bottom line is that it is not illegal to blatantly copy a "design." This is why upscale fashions have been plastered with logos for the past few years; those can be protected by trademark and copyright law, but a certain cut and use of fabric is not (which is why knock-offs or blatantly similar designs show up almost immediately). I haven't been paying much attention to the Apple v. Samsung case, but my understanding is that most of the actual litigation pertains to patents, materials, and code that do fall under enforceable law, rather than superficial similarities in design (which amount to window dressing).

I will say that I'm not a lawyer, but right now it seems like people are trying to enforce a standard of law to the behavior of companies and corporations that isn't supported outside of grade-school notions of "copying."

I wrote 4 things over the summer about appropriation art and copyright; you can find it here starting with "What Appropriation Means to Me and Mine" and going through 3 "On Copyright" essays: http://briandupont.wordpress.com/

Please, the Playbook was stillborn, will be gone very shortly. Regardless of where the inspiration came from, all vendors look to competiton to see what to include in their own units. Blackberry store trying to compete with Apple Store maybe????? Regardless, both units have severe limitations, and whilst an iPAD is a big iPhone with the phone, the Playbook is not a big Blackberry. It needed so much more work to hit the ground running as opposed to pushing it out. RIP playbook, RIM, focus on getting a QNX BB out before I retire, that is where you bread and butter will be. The iPad is simply unbeatable now, and the streets are littered with also rans.

So, didn't Steve Jobs say that the 7" form factor would fail? Well, if that is the case, then why is a content delivery outfit like Amazon launching a 7" tablet?

As for the low sales of PB. I can tell you that sales people get 5x the commission to sell you a Motorola Xoom with 3G service. That is why everyone that has gone to a store has found sales people that try to get you to go from a Playbook to anything else.

No matter that you can save $50.00 a month with you BlackBerry. The sales guy wants his commission.

While the Fire does look a lot like the PB, let's look at the positives.

The Fire is real vote of confidence for the 7" form factor as they could have made it any size they wanted. The Fire is a pure media content player and will always underwhelm those that want....just that one more thing. It will never replace any other device, such as a laptop, because it's too purpose-built. It also will be largely useless without the paid content as the real purpose of the device is to connect customers to the Amazon eco-system and therefore other non-content related features will be ignored.

I have no doubt Amazon will sell tons in the first few months, but once the list "can't do's" is known (and grows) and with the similar form factor fully-functional PB only $100 more.......

I wonder if they copied the power button....

Jonathan Kopycinski
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its a cheap.shot at rim