New BlackBerry Device Outed: BlackBerry Curve 9300 (kepler) Shows Up in BlackBerry UAProf Document!

on 8 Apr 2010 07:03 PM

Click Image for the BlackBerry 9300 UAProf Document

We usually like to save our unsubstantiated rumormill stuff for Fridays, but in this case the rumor isn't unsubstantiated so it's going up on a Thursday night... as it's backed with a new UAProf document (created April 6th) on RIM's BlackBerry.net server which proves its existence as an in-the-works device. So what rumored device are we talking about? Well the BlackBerry Curve 9300 of course! At one point towards the end of our last CrackBerry Podcast I tossed out two words at random ... Kepler! Aries II! These words weren't just mumbo jumbo though, but rather BlackBerry device codenames I have been hearing for a while now, with Kepler believed to be the BlackBerry Curve 9300 and Aries II the sibling CDMA equivalent, the BlackBerry Curve 9330. It's interesting to note that the 9300 device model isn't totally new - google around and you'll see lots of mentions of it, as it was previously linked to the gemini which ultimately became javelin and the Curve 8900, gemini being the 8520. As devices have moved up into the 9000's now, it's looking like RIM will be using that 9300 device model, but rather for the next generation of entry level Curve.

I've been under the impression that the Curve 9300 and 9330 are the next generation of the BlackBerry Curve 85xx series devices, and the UAProf document definitely helps to collaborate that, with the BlackBerry 9300 being shown as having the old school 320x240 low resolution display. For the hardcore CrackBerry addicts out there it's not likely a device to get too excited about, but as RIM continues to grow and do especially well with these lower priced devices in emerging markets, odds are they'll sell boat loads of it. We don't really know much at this time - expect improved hardware and let's hope by the time it hits the market OS 6.0 and that WebKit browser are in full swing. From the UAProf document you can also gather the 9300 has a chip that supports WiFi 802.11n and also unlike the 8520, the 9300 has 3G. We'll let you know more as this one unfolds.

Filed Under: News & Rumors; Tags: aries II, kepler, prerelease hardware

68 Comments

Posted by SCrid2000 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

A 9xxx device with a 320 x 240 screen? Really?

Posted by JRSCCivic98 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

I swear, RIM makes less logical sense each day that goes by. All they care about is BB sales and nothing more. It's called inflating the market with useless products just to boost your bottom line figures.

Why the F would anyone want to buy a 9xxx BB with a 320x240 resolution? People are stupid and RIM knows they can sell them a poop posicle while calling it chocolate. :rolleyes:

Posted by infinus Friday, Apr 09, 2010 674 days ago

BB8520 is not very common device among middle class indian (referring developing nations also). Since BB gives a status shot in my country, and most of them buy it (without BIS/BES) to give serious profile to their work. Just for show off or status sign.

BB8520 is really most sold device here.
And the above leaked devices match the profile

So I guess RIM wants to cash with low end devices.
Rich multimedia, Chat apps, megapixels and some looks with cheap plastic casing.

Posted by shabbs Friday, Apr 09, 2010 674 days ago

Wasn't the 9300 rumoured to have a higher res screen than the 8900? As well as a faster processor and 3G+ data speeds? Assuming it will also have a track pad... this sucker should be what all Curve 8900 users have been waiting for... unless there's a Curve 9900 in the wings too.

Posted by tocadisco Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Pertamaxxx!

Posted by Valace2 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

I am so excited. another curve. yay. can you feel the excitement yet.

Posted by Valace2 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

what phone is that under the cloth. You have been using that image for awhile.

Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

good question.honestly, i forget. might have been a storm 9530 or else a curve 8900??? je ne sais pas. lol

Posted by Valace2 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

from the little bit of chrome trim on the bottom it looks like the 8900.

Posted by WhoolioPreludee Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Kylie Minogue! Hahaha that's funny......

Posted by abelmb Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Which one should I get...

Posted by freddymartinez9 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

The only difference I saw between this UAproof and the 9700 one was the screen resolution. the 9300 also has a chip to support draft n wireless.

Posted by BBThemes Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

if this is the latest to replace the 85xx (really? already?) what about a replacement for the 8900? or is the atlas closer to being that?

Posted by thankgod4sig Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Just another boring device that will fail.

Posted by freddymartinez9 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

How do you define the device failing? The 83XX is the best selling smartphone in most markets.

Posted by Rello Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

But damn........can we get a true high end BB smartphone. This is rediculous. 2010 and we are still on these low resolution screens. I mean, don't get me wrong. The 8900 and 9700 has nice screens but the competition have better ones. A low end curve with 3G??? Can I get a 8900 with 3G......can I have a BB wit a camera better than 3.2 mp? Can I have a BB wit 720p video recording capabilities, or at least something that's better than what all current BB's have now. Everyone says RIM is tryin to take over the consumer market but then why are we still so far behind the competition. If ya'll think about it.....most would be excited over a higher spec'd BB when other platforms have had these better specs for years.......

Posted by EGerhardt Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

I don't understand why people think high-end cameras are a must on a smartphone, and the same for high-def and all that crap.

Its still very inpractical to watch video on a phone, because of the amount of battery it chomps, and although it looks nice on an advert, its probably a looooong way down the list for most people who buy blackberries. I mean, if you want to watch video on the move, you buy something that does that.

This is clearly not a consumer oriented device, it is for enterprise and professional oriented users. It will be cheap enough for small companies to buy a bundle of them, and for non-geek professionals who may well otherwise just have bought a dumb phone. That's always been the point of the curve series.

As for RIM being behind on features... What do you want your blackberry to do that it doesn't do now ? I'm talking functionality, not games. You have navigation, social networking, the best email in the world, a keyboard you can hit 50 words per minute on, more different instant messengers than I can name, and what's more you can do all of that at the same time, moving quickly from app to app.

Sure we don't have great cameras or games, but then again if those are what decides which PHONE you buy you have the wrong priorities, because they aren't what a phone is designed does, they are just strapped on top.

You want high def video ? Go buy a high def video camera. You want to play awesome games, get a DS. Any time that you actually want to do those things, you take your camera or DS or ipod with you. You do not need them in your phone. Looks good on the poster, but they a massively underused features compared to productivity apps. That's why RIM doesn't bother updating them. The core consumers don't use them.

What you have in blackberry is a tool. It may not be cool and groovy, but it is amazing at what it does, and although its often compared to the other bits of plastic kiddy junk that are the rest of the smart phone world, they are not the same. A blackberry is a savile row suit. An iphone or droid is the jeans, t-shirt. They may be in the same market, but they sure as hell aren't for the same people.

Just FYI, a few days ago, I finished writing my masters thesis. All of it written on my blackberry. You should try writing twenty five thousand words on a shitty touchscreen keyboard. Let me know how that works out for you.

End rant.

Posted by RWWackoStu Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Standing and applauding!

Posted by rainor94 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

People want a HD camera on their phone so they don't have to carry a camera around. People want games on their phone because they don't want to carry a PSP around.

People also look at the competition and see stuff they wish their phone had. Also I hate posts like this saying people don't need any games, people don't need to watch movies on their phone. Really? Have you never been stuck on a plane for hours? Has there never been a point in your life where you wish you could be entertained by something (a phone)?

The BlackBerry is a tool, the Iphone is a tool, Android phones are also tools. All high end smart phones do the same thing in the end it's just which phone does the best for the buyers needs.

If your happy staying with BlackBerry, having absolutely no games, a joke of a browser, NO application development, carrying around an HD Camera, a DS, and a tablet to watch movies then you will continue being very happy with RIM.

Posted by Rello Friday, Apr 09, 2010 674 days ago

I think the guy who responded to my original comment kind of misunderstood me. I'm very happy with my 8900. I've done whole papers typing on my BB. The. BB platform does a lot but its also missing a ton. Like rainor94 above me said, I want to be intertained by my BB and I feel like its missing many features that consumers are demandinging nowdays. If someone wants to carry around a nintendo DS and a HD camera......well be my guest lol, but I'm not carrying all that around with me when there are phones on that market that have all that in one device. As a huge fan of RIM, I feel I shouldn't have to wait many more years to have these features. Again, to the person who responded to my original post.....I respect your opinion, but I think that says a lot if us BB fans are content with these low end specs. If u ask me, there hasn't "truly" a high end BB yet. Some could argue the 9700 is, but it has a "nice" processor. Android is a new platform and has already produced phones that boo-boo on the 9700 specs. I am willing to wait for RIM to show their true potential!

Posted by grishamgang Monday, Apr 12, 2010 670 days ago

I think the Curves market is more for businesses that want to buy in bulk. It is their low end phone, so don't expect much with anything labeled a "Curve" execpt functionaility. On the other hand, The Bolds do need more "umph" to them to take over the high-end market. We buy and issue Curves so our people can be reached and work 24/7 (at least thats what they do to me). The Execs get the Bolds, the worker bees get Curves. Curves are the cheap ones and shouldn't be expected to hang with a Droid or iPhone. I really wish the Bolds and Storms could tho.

Posted by arctikphox Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

I have no idea why anyone would dream of doing 25,000 words on a BB. I like my 9700 keyboard - but not nearly that much. I'm sure there are circumstances or reasons but man - even a netbook would have been glorious compared to that. Surely RIM is presenting you with some sort of award - you deserve it!

With respect to your rant (which was a great read by the way - love the passion) I hear where your coming from. I too felt the same for a very long time. My issue with BB isn't so much the lack of the bells and whistles (apps, real camera,more internal memory or ability to store apps on SD Card) but the lack of a reliable OS.

I have constant issues with my phone. Certain productivity apps not working or constantly getting error messages. I also have constant issues (which I think I finally sorted out after hours in the forums) with Gmail and Google Sync.

I also get headset issues. Nothing with the headset itself but the phone will randomly think I plugged one in - this doesn't go over well with clients, who I hang up on, half way through a call.

I think the BB Platform is okay as long as you don't do much with them. This is in complete contrast to the App Store that is right on your phone of course. BB also works best when your mail is received from an exchange server rather than via pop3. I don't mean better in terms of features I mean better in that it is actually reliable.

One thing you mention is about all the people that want their phones to do everything. You say that if you want those things then go get that device. I hear you on that. Especially if you want to do something really well. With that said I hate carrying around all these stupid devices with me. If my Phone could take decent pics, shoot decent video, play some basic games etc etc - I'm good with that. I look for that and most people expect that. Hardcore users like ourselves will come around eventually to the concept (yourself excluded perhaps).

My wife owns a 3GS. Her keyboard is pretty good shockingly and some of the productivity apps are amazing. Many of them are available on the BB as well but the BB version is just so bad it isn't useable: Salesforce, Requall, Evernote, Highrise Mobile to name a few apps that are stunning on the iPhone and complete crap on the BB. The Highrise App is okay but it is free on the iPhone.

I don't like RIM's direction either. Even the way they stupidly name phones (Bold/Tour, Kepler/Aries II) is incredibly stupid and confusing. You point out that RIM is doing great in the emerging markets, and you are of course right - how exactly does that help us? They have so many models with so many resolutions and chip sets with so many slightly different versions of operating systems (fault of the carriers to a large extent I realize) it is all just a mess. Meanwhile we are waiting with baited breath for the mythical OS 6.0 and webkit browser (you probably don't care about the browser).

I feel like it is too little way too late. The only thing that is stopping me is my carrier doesn't carry an Android phone I like and if I grab an iPhone now it will be replaced almost immediately by the new OS 4 packing model to be released this summer. The fact that I am even considering an Apple product (I am not a fan of their cult) says just how frustrated I am with RIM as a whole.

My deadline for RIM is the event at the end of the month. If I am not truly blown away I am off to another company. Who knows maybe I'll even consider being a Windows 7 Series Phone beta tester.

Anyway just an alternate point of view. Great post on your part and a sincere congratulation on your thesis - that is a truly great accomplishment. I think if I completed a thesis on any phone I would probably feel strongly about that brand as well.

Sincerely,

Posted by Rello Friday, Apr 09, 2010 674 days ago

I also respected the rant the person above me did.....but when u say that your looking at other platforms, this is why I said in my original post that BB pretty much has to adapt. To carry around 5 different devices when its been proven that a smartphone can have all these features in 1 is ridiculous. I'm not saying the BB platorm needs to have the greatest video recording capabilities, camera, games, and whatever else.....all I was saying was that there is a hell of a lot of improvement that could be made. When/if u go to an iphone like u stated, I guarantee you're gonna enjoy the video recording it can do, the high res screen it has, and the games it can play yet our so called "highest end BB" doesn't even have Open GL support. That's a joke. But u know RIM, the Bold2 will have Open GL, support the wifi n routers, and they'll try to sell pretty much them 2 new features to u for another $199. RIM needs to recognize that people only have so much loyalty before before they realize that they can get more bang for their buck elsewhere and like u, if RIM doesn't impress me with WES coming up, or the Storm3......I'm gone

Posted by EGerhardt Friday, Apr 09, 2010 674 days ago

It appears that we a very different types of consumers.

I have never seen a phone that could shoot video that was worth ****. Doesn't matter how good the camera is in theory, you can't shoot anything other than 'LOL night out' clips on it, and I will never see why its so important to put that in HD. People use it because it is there, thats all.

Same for games. Some are better than others for sure, but they are just time wasters. When I commute, I read or surf or work, and its fine to me to waste time playing ATD and brickbreaker for 10 mins. The whole openGL thing is seriously over-rated to me.

The only reason companies started adding these extra features was so that they could say that they did, and get a momentary sales boost. Remember when they put copy and paste on the iPhone and it was blasted across they're adverts like they'd just invented it ?. Its just hype.

Now yes, you can enjoy the nebulous features that they cram into stuff, but how often do you REALLY use the video camera ? And how many of those videos are actually worth watching ? Could you do anything with them except facebook ?

That why I don't really understand why people are constantly talking about jumping to iPhone or droid or whatever. Because you aren't getting a better thing, just a few flourishes. Its like getting a new car because it has a spoiler and comes in 'speed red' with a go faster stripe.

Now, to most of you in america, most smartphones are quite close in cost, but outside of the states, the 'feature packed' phones you are talking about are hugely more expensive. The iPhone package that is equivalent to my berry's one (18 months, 600mins, unlimited text and data) costs a ten pounds more a month, and 180 down at the start against my free bold. So 360 pounds more... thats a LOT.

You can't even get most of the flashier droid phones without paying even more.

So when I look at features, I think of if they are worth that kind of money, which btw is enough to buy any of the other devices that I might need, and thats why I talk about buying the other devices if i want them.

Posted by Rello Friday, Apr 09, 2010 673 days ago

What I got is that you'd rather save your money and purchase just a simple blackberry and use the money u saved to buy other gadgets. If that's the case then that's fine :), to each his own, but I can't carry around all that. I used to have a curve 8300 and a ipod touch. Its was cool back then but after my ipod got stolen, and I upgraded to a curve 8900, the multimedia got much better (though still FAR from perfect) thus eliminating the need to buy another ipod touch and carry two devices. Why can't this apply to more features? Video recording on any BB is downright awful currently but if u look at some of the higher end android phones, even some of them have 720p video recording. Even the iphone has been said to have nice video recording capabilities. I'm not saying these features need to be perfect, but if RIM's goal is to continue into the consumer market, and all their competitors are adding all these extra capabilities into one device......then tell me how can RIM not start adding these features to our smartphones sooner or later. Plain and simple, I want my phone to do more for me. Security and push tech is only gonna take RIM so far. I personally think a lot of current RIM customers are very tempted buy the nice features of these other platforms.

Posted by YuriYoko Saturday, Apr 10, 2010 673 days ago

Just get an iphone or whatever all in one device it is that you desire? What a lot of people are missing is that some of us still enjoy a device that performs business/utility functions above the grade while --- above all else. Sure - iphones and whatnot can do triple somersault backflips. But how good of a phone is it? How good is the email? How fast can you type on it? Can you actually type on it without looking at it? How efficient is the navigation? I'm a gamer - I'd can't stand gaming on a PSP even. If I was a true photographer I'd be appalled at the idea of giving up my SLR (or whatever) for a blackberry.

This whole "make my device like the other devices" culture is out of control. All it does is make every company sink toward the middle, and no companies actually focus on doing what they do best. Apple mobile devices are great for entertainment. Blackberries are great for business. If an iphone sends email - ok cool - if a blackberry plays a video - ok cool. If you want the best of all worlds in one device then you should perform a sincere reality check on how the world actually works. No offense.

And - to the people complaining about errors and whatnot - I feel you. Since my first bb (8700 - I'm young in the bb game by comparison to many here) I've contended that bb's are not plug n play friendly. Personally I prefer it that way. I prefer to be able to configure and manipulate my device to perform as I see fit. But I also understand the avg consumer's frustration when they purchase a device that they have to tinker with a bit before it magically works exactly as they wanted. PC games vs Console - same story. Different products. If you want your magical all in one HD video recording, NatGeo front page picture snapping, thesis writing, photoshop editing, xbox360 level gaming, blah blah blah device -- then go find that and get it. Otherwise hit the escape button on your silly complaint post and realize that you sound like a whining girlfriend that still sleeps in the same bed every night when clearly there are there are other options that she isn't embracing.

Posted by saukrateaz Friday, Apr 09, 2010 674 days ago

I use to agree with pretty much everything you have to say here, however, Blackberry USE to be "cool and groovy". RIM has fallen behind times.
I use to be a Blackberry fan boy, I was all about em but then I had to do some testing on Apple and Droid for the corporate environment. Aside from battery life, Blackberry doesn't have any advantages what so ever over iPhone, Droid and even a Palm device or two. No you don't need a high res camera, or high def video, but when you can have all features of a Blackberry AND a high res camera or high def video, thats a plus. People use their devices for pleasure AS WELL AS business. I hate what blackberry has become. I am currently testing windows mobile and droid for our environment, (which is solely Blackberry), and within a year will have the BES removed.

This statement is just my opinion.

Oh yeah, writing your entire master thesis on your Blackberry....im throwin a flag on that one. iPhone is much easier to type on than Blackberry (in my opinion), and to type twenty five thousand words on ANY smartphone is ridiculous. So I call BS on that sir, and I think you know as well that your are not being entirely honest there. Maybe you wrote some on your BB, but I doubt even 25%. IF, by some crazy, out of this world reason you did type your entire thesis on your Blackberry, how did the formatting look and what did you use to write it, edit, show changes made, draft? Just get a laptop, it would have been faster.

Posted by YuriYoko Saturday, Apr 10, 2010 673 days ago

So why sit here and complain?? GO. GET. ONE.

On a side note - why is it bs that someone typed 25k words on a blackberry? I think it's bs that u truly believe it's easier to type on a piece of smooth plastic than a real keyboard - but like yours - that's my opinion.

Typing 25k words on a phone designed to handle similar functions doesn't seem so odd. Demanding the ability to shoot HD video on a device that doesn't (and shouldn't) have a pod mount (therefore rendering the operator unable to shoot a shot without it looking like---theyre holding a cellphone) - is silliness defined, however. What are you going to do? Disable your radio and shoot video? Next we'll hear complaints about how there's no video editing capabilities in line with final cut pro

Posted by rainor94 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

It's a smart phone which was sold free.

Posted by canguler87 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

http://www.smartphonecool.com/2008/06/blackberry-javelin-blackberry-9300...

Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

that's an 8900. when the 8900 was first rumored, it was also thought to be a 9300.. originally rumored as gemini, but then the 8900 was javelin and 8520 was gemini with aries being the 8530.

Posted by lklmail Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

unlike the 85xx, the 93xx has 3G

Huh? My 8530 is 3G.

Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

lol. i dont count cdma 3g. was referring the gsm 8520 being edge only and the 9300 now having 3g. clarified the post.

Posted by vx1 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

RDF file no worky in basic browser

http://www.blackberry.net/go/mobile/profiles/uaprof/9300/5.0.0.rdf

what do you open it with

Posted by prlarkin Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

View in Firefox on computer

Posted by rizzzzoooo Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Another new device already....really RIM?

Posted by Rello Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

I think they are going to slow. Its like they release a device every 6 months. Have u checked the rumored devices in the forums. Its been pretty much bone dry until recently. 2 devices (9100, 9650) we pretty much know all there is to know and we've known about them for 4 to 6 months. This leaves only the BB slider and since we know that's going to have OS 6.0, that pretty much says it won't be out for many more months. Come on with the heat RIM!

Posted by HoZi24 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Instead of making all these phones how about updating the web browser and adding more cool apps. I want to auto tune too

Posted by mtkalimey Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

I even saw the 802.11N on that list!
Wireless N gotta love it!

Posted by papped Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Yay another round of people saying 320x240 device = fail, even when the article itself states it obviously isn't marketing to those people and is going to sell like crazy...

It's like commenting on an article without understanding or half reading the article is the thing to do...

Posted by jeho Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Kevin! Its Kepler, as in Johannes Kepler or the Kepler space probe etc.

Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

dohhhhh... brain fart. was typing fast. not sure why i tossed in the extra p. fixed. kepler. KEPLER. kepler. kepler kepler kepler. got it. i think it just looks funny maybe with the one p, hence the second, but kepler it is. :)

Posted by FTWrath Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

As with all RIM products it will fit a niche market, that which the current 83XX occupy. They're basically just updating that Niche market.
Kevin, I know this is off topic but have you considered any of the new forum restructuring suggestions you had asked for a while back?
http://forums.crackberry.com/f36/off-topic-sub-forums-post-your-ideas-20...

Posted by LoverFace Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Well clearly, none of the future curves so far, will continue to have a better screen res like the 8900 or have any major updates like the bold did :/

This is sad, and slightly pathetic on rims part. They really do need to get their act together this year, or I really don't see them surviving too long, with all the other competitors out there.

Posted by rayman21186 Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Where is the new forum for this one at?

Posted by Kevin Michaluk Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

no new forum until there's legit photos of the real device. that's our policy.

Posted by nolhayes Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

3G curve? I'm pretty sure that is what it will be. Logically that's the next smartest move. I have a Bold, but hopefully RIM at least gives the curve users a flash with this one.

Posted by kstagg Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

Come on people. The Curve 8520 is one of the best selling BlackBerry phones out there and was the first model to have the cajones to have the optical mouse placed on it. It is a groundbreaking model to say the very least.

I mean damn - it has a ton of features and when I compare it to my wife's 8900 I really don't see a ton of differences between the two. OK, so one is 3G and one isn't. Big deal. I really can't tell the difference to be honest. I have OS 5.0, the free WiFi and have great reception.

The MP3 player control placement at the top are fantastic and once I put a black "barely there" casemate case on it, the fingerprints on the device aren't really a problem anymore.

The phone rocks. But I will tell you - I'd be lying if I said that the Windows 7 Phone wasn't tempting me. C'mon RIM - let's see OS 6 or another BB device out that doesn't look like the rest of the BB model line (and no - not necessarily the "slider" we've all heard so much about).

Posted by o_ssie Thursday, Apr 08, 2010 674 days ago

there is no need for a 9300.. like HONESLTY PPL

you have 8520 for the poor ppl, u have 8900 for the blah ppl and u have the 9700 for the high end .. there is no space/need for another device..

start working on the OS and not the same formfactor +1 new feature.. its stupid and a wast of time

3 levels of BB is enough - dont need a 4th