Aug 21, 2008 at 10:45 am
Here's the problem...
you can clearly HEAR that the bold on the left, for some reason, kicked out of wifi and dropped down to EDGE..
You hear the ee.e.ee.e E. e. e./ .e ein the speakers....]
where's the Wifi Icon...
when I'm browsing on Wifi, it's clearly shown.. Wifi stays lit.
this phone is not on wifi, it's on 3G and has dropped down to edge
I'm gonna try and throw up a video in a bit
Aug 21, 2008 at 10:49 am
I don't believe it. Sorry, but just how can it be THAT much slower? Also, listen carefully to the noise of the Bold switching from 3G to EDGE and all the network connectivity - I wonder if it wasn't using WiFi in the first place...
Aug 21, 2008 at 10:55 am
This is NOT good news for me who is torn between the two and is not-so-patiently awaiting the arrival of the Bold to be 100% it is the right choice.
Or, do you suppose this is in part a cause for the AT&T release delay? Something AT&T is trying to correct before putting them on sale? Or is that not possible?
Aug 21, 2008 at 11:22 am
You CAN have the mobile network off and still use wi-fi on the bold. I did test the bold browser vs. my ipod touch, and I have the opposite conclusions.
It's definitely on the mobile network, that's for sure.
This video just lost its credibility for me.
Aug 21, 2008 at 11:49 am
I'm getting faster page loads on my CDMA 8330, what gives?
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:02 pm
You can clearly see in the video that the Bold is not on Wi-Fi, it starts out on 3G, then drops down to EDGE. The Bold shows a Wi-Fi icon in the browser title bar normally. If the reviewer had used the Wi-Fi Browser on the BlackBerry he would have had dramatically different results. Someone should contact the reviewer and clarify.
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I'm not even sure that the Wi-fi logo is pure Black & white at the beggining of the video... So Wi-Fi might be on, but never connected...
I may be wrong, but for sure the video has no credibility to me as soon as we all can hear the ttt-ttt-ttt bip of the edge network...
But for sure the iPhone screen and browser looks good, even better than any other phone, but come on, the bold should be just in second position, nothing to do with the performance on this vid
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:17 pm
sorry but my 8110 was loading faster than the bold... why must fanboys lie about the iphone.
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I hate to say it but it looks like the 1ST gen iPhone is faster then the BOLD..even if the WI-FI is on....sorry folks..I will always stay loyal to RIM but jees...Apple is making us look bad
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Im sorry to say it but it does look like the 1ST gen iPhone is faster then the BOLD..I hate to say it becasue I will always be loyal to RIM, Apple has done a good job...Sorry to say it
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:44 pm
How bout a FAIR rematch now? This video jut made me dislike EDGE even more now.
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:48 pm
It's the same guy that same that "RIM IS DEAD DEAD DEAD" because Apple has MobileME (which we all know failed on an epic scale) and even said similar when the first iPhone was released. He's a professed iPhone fanboy. I'm sure this video is purposely manipulated because most people that see it will not have spotted that he isn't even actually connected to Wi-Fi.
Aug 21, 2008 at 12:55 pm
The newly uploaded page loading test (thank you!) still shows the Bold lagging way behind the iPhone.
The original test was more than 1 minute on the Bold. The iPhone is roughly 37 seconds. The newly uploaded test still shows about 50 something seconds.
This makes me sad, but the Bold needs its web features worked on some more before I'll upgrade to it.
Aug 21, 2008 at 1:28 pm
My curve 8310 using opera mini loaded up the slashdot.org page just about as quickly as the iphone. it showed the main content of the page faster than the iphone but took a bit longer overall to get all the images finalized, etc. either way, i think it's a bit stupid people care so much about a few extra seconds of browser speed. HSBC was testing iphones to replace 200,000 execs BBs and came back with a terse "no way in hell," last week. goes to show there's more important features to a smartphone than just browser speed.
Aug 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm
iphone still seems faster after watching the second video.
Aug 21, 2008 at 2:24 pm
The BOLD was never connected to a WiFi spot, the WiFi was only turned on.
The 3G icon is seen since the video starts showing that 3G is active and was the mode of connectivity.
Aug 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Also we don't know which software version was used on the BOLD, it could of been an old release that RIM could have fixed or not. You just gotta think about all the other possibilities.
Aug 21, 2008 at 2:53 pm
The second video is pointless. Ok, yes the BB BOLD is loading the video quicker but who knows what kind of WiFi connections we are talking about. The first guy could be on lets say a 1.5MB pipe while the second video the guy could be running off of a 6MB pipe. Unless the second video has another iphone to compare it to its the most scientifically asinine comparison ever. I am just upset that they decided to get rid of the leather trimmings from my BOLD. BB please don't release the BOLD until everything is perfect. You don't want another retarded lady suing you since your WiFi won't connect underwater.
Aug 21, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Did you not read the posts before you? Did you not see the video? You can tell in the first video that the Bold dropped the wifi signal few seconds into it. He was running on EDGE the entire time.
Aug 21, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Yikes, the Bold clearly wasn't on WiFi in that first video. Sucks that this bad information is being spread around now.
Aug 21, 2008 at 3:58 pm
This comparison is not fair...use Mini Opera on the Bold and compare that to the iPhone...that's fair, because the requesting scripts and loading scripts take forever...and I don't think the iPhone loads any of that.
Aug 23, 2008 at 8:44 pm
I COMPLETLY AGREE! They should compare Opera Mini on the Bold vs. the iPhone...
Bold T-Mobile Germany
Aug 21, 2008 at 5:00 pm
i got a Bold from T-Mobile Germany and the Browser is really slow my Girlfriend has an iPhone and almost every Website loads faster. Even my Curve on Edge loads Websites faster than the Bold on WiFi. The worst thing is that the Bold needs about two to three minutes to load the Crackberry Website!
Aug 21, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I love how this website will never admit defeat without having some excuse. i love BBs! but when it's out performed by another phone then so be it. Don't be such fanboys!
Aug 21, 2008 at 6:15 pm
No issue there. I have an iPhone 3G sitting here, just waiting to get a Rogers BlackBerry Bold (should have had one already), and will do up another test.
Over WiFi, Over Rogers 3G (where I'm located).
iPhone may win, Bold may hold it's own. We'll see. But it will be a fair/even-handed test with full release devices on the same carrier. And if you're gonna knock, don't be so anonymous! :)
Aug 21, 2008 at 5:40 pm
It's not a network speed issue. It's the stupid BBBrowser technology. It blows and everyone knows it. Hopefully if the Thunder releases with a webkit engined browser this won't be a problem anymore. Everyone knows the iPhone browser puts all other mobile browsers to shame. No surprise there... anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming.
Aug 21, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Please try this
I cleaned my all of my cache. I tried the first website on my 8310 curve using the EDGE network of AT&T. My phone showed the text faster that the bold shown in Mobile Computing via Gizmodo. By the time bold in the video starts showing something I see the loading images indication on the botton of my screen and only about 2 seconds later it was done. I can not believe that a bold on WIFI would take longer than my ATT curve on EDGE. Whatever this is, it's not a bold on WIFI.
Aug 21, 2008 at 6:38 pm
i averaged 16 seconds to load the same exact page no problem and that is on sprint cdma reva in oklahoma city - pfft, stupid test,stupid video, and stupid conclusion - i guess i don't need an iphone, or wifi -
Aug 21, 2008 at 6:41 pm
i'm gonna video it tonight on youtube and put up the link - and you can time it with my casio watch right next to it- :D
Aug 21, 2008 at 6:43 pm
i meant 26 seconds which is a clean 10 seconds faster than crapple
Aug 21, 2008 at 7:10 pm
My ancient 7520 loads pages faster than the bold does in that demonstration. He clearly has no idea what he's doing when setting up the Bold on WiFi, or, more likely, he's pandering to the iPhonites.
Aug 21, 2008 at 8:16 pm
check it out
Aug 21, 2008 at 8:53 pm
on engadget.com they posted how the Bold was using EDGE and 3G in the video,...which if you think about it...actually blows the Iphone out of the water...since the Bold's EDGE load time is almost the same as the Iphone wifi load time...Geez, Iphone sucks!
Aug 21, 2008 at 11:08 pm
i got the bold and my budy came over with a curve.
tested the browser on wifi vs edge
the curve was faster!
Aug 21, 2008 at 9:34 pm
im on both ends of the spectrum now.. i had a 8320 curve for a good few months, last month or so of having it i updated to the 4.5.52 software. i must say the browser looks to be the same as the bolds and it just lacks.. i picked up an iphone and the browser on it blows anything out of the water that the blackberry has.. dont get me wrong though, i actually miss my curve, a lot. thats why i kept it in the family lol.. my little sister has it.. but as a multimedia phone the iphone is awesome, better browser and media player, two of the main things i needed.
Aug 21, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Aug 22, 2008 at 3:17 am
I just have to ask how can you compare the communications of both devices without consideration of reception. If you look at the top right of the bold theres barely two bars up where the reception on the Iphone is much stronger (top left bars). Were these tested on that same carrier?
Aug 22, 2008 at 5:37 am
Just tested it on my Curve 8310. Full EDGE in the middle of London on O2. For mobilecomputermag.co.uk the first text appeared in 21 seconds and the page was fully loaded within 30 seconds. It looked crap mind you, the Curve's browser isn't going to break any records in the accurate rendering department :)
Aug 22, 2008 at 5:49 am
They should not be compared side by side on the same wireless network either.
The test should be done by timing each device on its own, with the other powered off.
Ideally nothing else should be using that wireless access point that the phones are connected to either.
As others have pointed out its a pre-release bold on edge most of the time, no comparison.
Aug 22, 2008 at 6:33 am
Engadget posted a story about this on there website, siting the video from the crackberry member as well.
Aug 22, 2008 at 2:26 pm
I honestly did not have time to read through the entire Engadget article, as I am heading out the door to run some errands.
But here is the link : http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/21/debunk-blackberry-bolds-browser-on-wi...
Aug 22, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Aug 22, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Here is a comparison done with a iPhone 3g running on EDGE vs Treatz video here on Crackberry.
Aug 24, 2008 at 12:15 am
I have an 8330 curve with Verizon as a carrier and I just ran the same test and my phone beat the bold connected to wi-fi. How is that possible since wi-fi is suppose to be so much faster? My phone doesn't even have wi-fi capability.
Aug 24, 2008 at 12:18 am
Aug 25, 2008 at 11:22 am
The iPhone has is the way you browse the web. Using the trackball is too time consuming and it takes more thumb strikes compared to the touchscreen. Still love my Bold though!
Sep 2, 2008 at 9:58 pm
As a Mac user, I was rather ambivalent at first about the "buttonless" factor of the iPhone. As time went on and the nonsense of standing in line (Pt. 1) faded into obscurity, I was gifted an iPhone by an alcoholic family member. Children, here is what we call FORESHADOWING in the story.
I am 7 months into my iPhone usage and I have had it replaced once so far, by Apple-no questions asked. The snazzy UI is soon overshadowed by lagging touch-reaction time, over 89 missed calls (yes I am keeping a tally) that are not recorded as missed calls but as the iPhone sits patiently next to me while I am __________ (fill in blank), all of a sudden the voicemail notifier notifies me of new voicemail. Phone is on full ring and it has not made a peep in over 6 hours.
This leads me to the only logical solution...back to blackberry. I was so satisfied with the 8700c. It was such a good little machine. Don't get me wrong, I've had wet dreams about the Bold just as you have, but I just reconnected with the 8700c through at&t's 50.00 upgrade program (and although the 8700c is way older than the iPhone, I do consider this to be an upgrade). I will wait out all the pre-post release non-sense that is being hashed out and once the hoopla dies down, I may just sell the 8700c, which will have a higher resale value in a year than my iPhone has 7 months after launch date. Speaking of launch, I will free my iPhone into the briny depths of the East River at some point this week simply because the sheer joy of chucking it is worth more to me than the measly 100.00 I might get for it on ebay. Just my 2 cents.
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