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Posted by Garytheman03 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

I just may have to get a Bold then, when I can upgrade.

 
 
Posted by Shad0w26 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

You should RIP the Desktop Manager 6 CD and post the install file :)

 
 
Posted by sweetlittlehugs Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

"Sigh" where is the 9650 leak?

 
 
Posted by privax Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

I need a 9700-type device with a tad bit bigger screen that fills to the edge that's HD quality a 5 MP camera and this OS and my ideal dream phone would be complete.

 
 
Posted by cbble Wednesday, Aug 11, 2010 549 days ago

9780?

http://forums.crackberry.com/f219/9780-specs-505230/

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

"You need to remember, RIM's primary concern is pushing the performance and experience of new devices ahead so they keep selling more phones. Their second concern, is to bring these performance enhancements to in-market devices whenever possible"
So what this is saying is that RIM could give 2 sh1ts about previous customers that have had Blackberry's for many years and have upgraded to newer devices before and they only care about selling more phones. I had the 9530 and got screwed out of OS updates and then I upgraded to the 9550 and guess what? I got screwed again! F.U.C.K. RIM. Android here I come

 
 
Posted by MrWireless31 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

I couldn't agree with you more which is why after over 5 years of loyal service and over ten RIM devices, I bought the Droid X. RIM showed no concern for their customers, and after reading this article I obviously made the right choice. This phone destroys any Blackberry that exists today or in 2011. RIM is so behind the curve, it has become comical unless you're a shareholder. I predict RIM goes the way of Palm by the end of 2012 and if that happens, I couldn't be happier. Eat shlt RIM.

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

The very second I am available for an upgrade I am going straight to the Verizon store and buying an Android phone!!!!

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

But understandable. And in some ways I agree. I have a Storm 2 and it looks like no Blackberry 6 love for me. But here's my biggest beef with what Kevin has to say about it.

"With the BlackBerry Bold 9700 we hear RIM introduced some change-ups on the board which speeds up the way device memory interacts directly with the processor. The more intensive graphics and WebKit rendering engine deployed in BlackBerry 6 require this in order to maintain performance. Putting BlackBerry 6 on other devices would just slow them down."

Okay...correct me if I'm wrong here. The 9700 was released in September, 2009 I believe. If my memory is correct, the Storm 2 hit stores in November that same year. So why does a handset released TWO MONTHS after the 9700 NOT get Blackberry 6? Why didn't it also get 512 MB and the new board speeds?

RIM was into development of Blackberry 6 at that point, so it's not like they didn't know Blackberry 6 was coming. After all, "and yes, the Bold 9700 technically hit the market in 2009, but it was fairly late in 2009 when it hit so it's more of a 2010 phone" should also apply to the 9520/9550's.

RIM screwed the pooch on this one. Period. Something tells me that a whole lot of people who have the 9520/9550 feel like they are left holding the bag AGAIN, and just got the RIM-job. Backlash, anger and defections are inevitable.

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

The 9700 was a November release...

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Looks like my dates were a little off. The Storm2 released on October 28, 2009 while the 9700 was released on October 21, 2009. Which actually makes this worse.

Ever get the feeling sometimes like it would have been better not knowing something?

/: )

 
 
Posted by anastasiophan Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 550 days ago

Here is the real answer to your question.

RIM was working on BlackBerry OS 5.2 when the Storm 2 and 9700 were released (also the Tour probably). We know this because OS 5.2 was seen on the Clamshell not too long ago. Sometime around January/February when the Tour 2 was supposed to be released, RIM changed their plans on the new OS and realized it would require more RAM than they had previously thought. Because of this they delayed the Tour 2 and gave it 512MBs and changed the name to the Bold. This was probably right around the time that they scrapped 5.2 and decided they needed to make a bigger move and really make a splash with OS6, 5.2 just wasn't gonna cut it.

When the Storm 2, 9700, and Tour were released, RIM thought they would be able to handle the next OS without a problem. When RIM decided they needed to step up their game a bit more, they made a new OS that was too much for their newest phones to handle.

We know RIM screwed up by not planning ahead properly and I'm sure they know it too. Just ask yourself, would you rather RIM settled for 5.2 and supported your phone, or would you rather they step up to the plate and go all out, even if it meant your phone wouldn't be supported?

For me its a simple answer. I'd much rather have RIM make the best OS they can.

 
 
Posted by ItsaRaid Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 535 days ago

Hey Mr. Wireless

How do you like the Droid X

 
 
Posted by r0cketman22 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Do you really believe all Android phones will receive Froyo (Android OS 2.2)?

The answer is; no, they won't. Only the higher end models will receive the update.

By the way, no one cares that you're going Android. You're not hurting our feeling, nor making a statement that's worth anything.

I have nothing against Android. They're doing great things. I love it. It pushes everyone else to do great things.

However, there's just something I love more about my BlackBerry. I feel more connected to the world than with any other device.

pin:22155915

 
 
Posted by shv580 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Amen!

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Well by the time I can upgrade to an Android phone they will all have 2.2 or better and why would I want to keep getting f.ucked by RIM when I can go to Android phones where the sh1ttiest Android phone is going to be 10x better than the new 9800 Torch coming out??? Answer that and you get a free cookie :)

 
 
Posted by zensen Friday, Aug 06, 2010 554 days ago

cool. androidcentral ---> is that a way!

No doubt android is doing good things; there's a huge amount of phones now carrying 1.6 + the community has grown in leaps and bounds. this is fortunate for users who still use phones like the htc magic - its a phone that wasn't guaranteed 2.0+ but luckily for my mate 'rooting' his phone he can get some of those features...

In saying that, I don't know why you even bother trying to provoke other users esp on a blackberry fansite.

Enjoy your phone while we continue to enjoy our blackberry's for what they are - communication devices that work.

 
 
Posted by JoelTruckerDude Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Well, lets see, considering they just released it for the Moto Droid, which released same time as the Storm 2, then I wouldn't necessarily say that its "high end" models only. If your gonna trash talk Android, at least get your facts straight. I just left my S2 after having since release date, S1 prior to that since release date and was "patiently" waiting for 6 to release so I could update, imagine my "joy" when I found that once AGAIN, RISM has FAILED to bring anything current to the table, still setting 2 years behind the competition. It's all good though, my DX arrived 2 days ago and I don't know why I waited so long to switch, night and day difference and also a piece of hardware that'll be "OS Upgradeable" for a while to come.

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

My fiancé got an Eris that was running 1.6, and even AFTER Verizon had it hit it's end of life she got to 2.1. 2.2 probably won't make it to that model, but the fact they updated to 2.1 is a hell of a sight better support than what RIM's handing out to a handset 9 months old.

 
 
Posted by jeepzilla Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

im sorry i had the curve... Storm 1..Tour... and the free Bold (replaced my tour)... im sorry i was Hooked on Blackberry but i figured let me check out the Droid X.
Best phone i have ever had... sorry RIM your waaaaay too late... No HD video 5mp cam come on, its 2010 not 2001..
Bye Blackberry :(

 
 
Posted by Big Dawg 23 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 555 days ago

You appear to know nothing about Android. 2.2 will run on any phone Android phone just depends on the carrier pushing it. The nice thing about Android is Open Source. There are many developers creating 2.2 Roms for all the phones. G1, the first Android phone to launch in November 2008 has 2.2 ported to it by Cyanogen.

So as I stated you have no clue. 2.2 will run on every Android device made not just the new ones. Carriers wont push them so it will entice people to purchase newer phones. Rooting a Android device and flashing ROMS is just as easy at BB. I flashed many leaked roms to my Storm and Tour. Android allows for more customization than BB.

Froyo 2.2 has Just in Time compiler that makes all phones speed greatly improved.

Not sure what BB offers that Android doesn't. Well I guess BB Messenger. But my Google talk replaces that.

 
 
Posted by zensen Friday, Aug 06, 2010 554 days ago

Unlike google, RIM has a vested interest in their phones and how they perform. Google on the other hand may have the nexus one branded after them using HTC but they are a software company and carriers/manufacturers will have that final say (tho being open source that final say may differ in some community forums :P)

you do realise 3.0 when that is released will have certain minimum standards laid out that will single-handedly stop most pre 2010 models from actually receiving this update. sure many older phones were updated to 2.0+ but did you ever try 1.6 (that wasn't great at all) and being dependant on a carrier really isn't something worth cheering about. it took my mates HTC hero almost a year to get to 2.0 after 1.6 because of carrier issues etc.

Luckily for android users, there are people like cyanogen creating roms and certain features to allow people to "root" their phones but whether or not it provides the experience/performance they would want out of a phone is another matter.

the problem i see with blackberry and its frustrations are people who recently bought bb phones 1-10 months. the 9700 WILL get the upgrade but why do people think that OS 5.0 will stop being upgraded or become useless? why do people expect more when considering that they bought the phone (hopefully) knowing full well what it came with. People expect so much from updates now like its something they demand. I expect updates to fix speed and programming issues though I do hope RIM does at least bring the Webkit browser to 5.0 users as that is really what is letting it down in a lot of areas.

Yeh Gtalk somewhat replaces BB Messenger and yeh so? Gtalk isn't exclusive to BB's either. there's a reason why so many businesses still use RIM as their go to business phone.

in closing, not everyone wants to flash roms and "root" their phones but it is definitely one of the main reasons to get an android because the community is there to maintain it.
You seem quite happy with android and like i said earlier. androidcentral is that a way ---> :)

 
 
Posted by freebird0022 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 550 days ago

My sister just bought an Android phone and it shuts down on her constently. It even calls random people, and when I call her it doesn't even register that I call, only if I leave a voice mail does she know I called. Through her experience and being woken up at 3 am by her phone mysteriously calling me, I'm DEFINATELY going to stick with my blackberry!!! So glad this phone comes out the day before my contracts up!!!

 
 
Posted by Brons2 Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 527 days ago

Definitely, read the reviews before getting an Android phone. There are some great ones and there are some duds as well.

 
 
Posted by Ryoohk Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 555 days ago

I agree.

i say if you want to go to Andriod then go dont have to sit here and look like an ass and go "f bb in going driod" or "bye rim. driod here i come" if thats what you like then go dont make your self look like a 3yr old crying over a blue lolly pop.

Me i like BBs does what i need it to do, the screen rez so what as long as i can see the screen im happy and 512 of memory yes that low but doesnt bother me because i dont have my phone loaded down with app i might use a total of 3.

to me it looks like a good phone and i am getting it even if its over the "crappy att network" or how people say when i have had att phone for years and have had no problems with it at all.

 
 
Posted by phabriss Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 552 days ago

PREACH ON!!!!
LMAO

 
 
Posted by MattDub22 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 555 days ago

Do you get mad when the car you've driven for years, or even months, comes out with a new model and bigger engine for the same price? Do you expect FORD, HONDA, CHEVY etc... to just swap it out for you to keep your business? Or do you live with the decision YOU made and look forward to owning the newer model when the time is right for you? I know we are all tight on money, or I am at least, so we WANT the new stuff for free, but come on, is that really feasible? And if it does make good sense to you to give it out for free, then please tell me what kind of car you drive because i would love to own the brand that keeps on giving..... FOR FREE!!!

**Not trying to be an ass, just trying to open your eyes to the world of retail, phones are no different. ****

 
 
Posted by vqc61 Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 529 days ago

That's not a good analogy. Most people here are not asking for a new phone. Just an update to OS 6.0. A better analogy would be if Microsoft says you have to have one of the latest quad-core CPU in order to upgrade to Windows 7. I can understand it if you have a 2005 computer and you can't upgrade. But my Tour is barely 1 year old. In fact, it was only about 3 months old when RIM announced OS 6.0. RIM will not retain customer loyalty this way.

 
 
Posted by 1magine Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

would make my parents happy. same phone application - teeny tiny picture id, and alerts and ring tones don't play through headsets.

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

This whole 6.0 is only a big deal if you are on At&t...and even then you have the Iphone, sorry rim wayyy too little too late.

 
 
Posted by r0cketman22 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

WebKit + Social Feeds + Enhanced Media

WANT. NOW.

Haha, hopefully the upgrade for the 9700 comes soon. Or the Bold 9780.

pin:22155915

 
 
Posted by cliro Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

I want details of how it will be on the 9700, most these talked about features are how it will be on touch devices

 
 
Posted by ron87 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

This phone is mediocre at best.

 
 
Posted by MacCB Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

It makes perfect sense for RIM to put the new OS6 on the newer devices to increase sales. After all, they are a business, and at the end of the day, it's all about money; not matter who you are or what business it is.
Now, if they don't plan to update the web browser to as many phones as possible, I think most of us will jump ship, including myself. For most of use this is one of the biggest complaints. At least give this to us!!!
I have a Storm2 and don't have any of the problems that I read about within the forums, (i.e.) freezing up, constant errors, etc. I've had my S2 for a year and it has only rebooted about 3 times on me. I bought it because I like the full screen; so, switching to anything but a full screen it worthless to me. Although it's nice looking, I don't like the Torch. Maybe if they made it slide up in landscape mood, I would by it.

 
 
Posted by SmooveLai Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

as much as i love blackberry im going to have to call it quits, not being able to get blackberry 6 is a problem for me knowing its there and settling for 5 on my curve 8530 so im going to be switching to android i got a couple offers on craigslist and ebay, i dont have the money to buy a new bold on verizon and i wont be receiving an upgrade for another 15 months so why settle when i can upgrade get the better browser and apps

farewell blackberry you were my greatest ally =[

 
 
Posted by Smell_Dawg Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

Even if "the rest of us" only got the webkit browser, I would be much happier.

Blackberry software may be (well, IS) behind the times, but I've never had any hardware issues at all with either of mine. I cannot say the same for Motorola phones, which I've had issues with each time I've purchased their products (hence my big hesitation to abandon ship and go with a droid). My 9350 works just as well as it did when I got it 20 months ago!

 
 
Posted by doob Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

Why on earth would RIM do a exclusive with such a phone? They could've made this phone on their own and released it to t-mobile along with at&t.

I know rim is worried about losing to android and iphone. This exclusive crap just made my mind up. Guess I need to make the switch to droid now. Sorry rim. In order to gain more users and market share, you need to release this to all people. Not just one carrier.

 
 
Posted by r0cketman22 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Because you can the Droid on all carriers...

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

The Droid doesn't work on T-mobile either.

(and unlike iPhone I don't think the Torch will be AT&T only for too long)

 
 
Posted by Brons2 Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 527 days ago

Droid is a trademark of LucasFilms (the star wars people) which Verizon licensed to use as a brand name on their phones running the Android operating system.

Both Verizon and T-Mobile have Android phones, they just have different names for them such as Droid and MyTouch 3G.

For that matter, AT&T and Sprint also have Android phones.

 
 
Posted by RHChan84 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 556 days ago

I like my 9550 but hate the browser. I want webkit but since its not getting OS6...no webkit. RIM should of realized touch screen phone's OS is more memory but they failed to put 512 but instead put 256 device memory. I have lost the little faith I had in RIM. Once the droid2 comes out, I'm dumping the S2. I use my phone a lot for the web and OM5 is good but droid browser is so much better. And can't forget...Droid is has mobile FLASH 10.1 which is a plus for me.

 
 
Posted by Pootermobile Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Am I the only one that's bummed that OS6 won't be able to run 3rd party themes like on current Blackberrys?! :( 3rd party themes is a BIG part of why I love my Blackberry. I am really bummed I thought OS6 was going to be a big step in the themeing community but I guess not.

 
 
Posted by B_Eazy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

They didnt say it wont run 3rd party themes! They said they will be limited on what they can change due to the new UI! Do people know how to read or what??? Then they start rumors about BB cant do this! BB cant do that! Please READ CAREFULLY the details!

 
 
Posted by RHaneyjr Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 545 days ago

yeah what easy said

 
 
Posted by B_Eazy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Hey guys, we dont care about you dumb F**ks switching phone!! go with Android that dont know how to make a solid phone that wont brake when you drop it or dont know how to manage emails properly or go with iPhone which dont know how to make no engineering mistake on their antenna! That was a HUGE one!!
One thing I have to admit, I'm REALLY excited for this phone and I will get it for sure! But RIM NEEDS to do something about specs in their phones!! Seriously!! I feel like I have no more ammos to fight the wars against the other duch bags out there owning there stupid toys in their hand! One thing for sure, BB`s are for serious people and not kids! So if you want to have a toy for a phone, get an Android or iPhone! If you want to be all about business and efficiency, get a BB!! Get it!

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

yeah the phone that cracks anytime you drop it is the "Motorola Droid" not all Android OS phones. and fuc.k the Storm 3 because you will get f.ucked by RIM again. I'm done with RIM not caring about loyal customers, I understand they want to make more money but if you want to keep your current customers show them some love. It took Microsoft almost 10 years to stop giving technical support and updates for Windows XP so I think RIM can support at least the 9550 for more than a couple of months. SO F.U.C.K. RIM

 
 
Posted by SilverSurfR Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Perhaps you are misinformed. Android is the OS, created by Google. Android doesn't make hardware, or do you blame the fuel when your car breaks after hitting a tree?

Could you elaborate on Android email management? I haven't noticed any issues here, but I am a gmail user, so you could be referring to the "other" email app.

"One thing for sure, BB`s are for serious people and not kids!"
Now about that... Have you looked around? Most of the "kids" I see with a REAL smartphone use a BB. Blackberry has become the new Sidekick, and BBM is the new AIM.

"toy for a phone"
Is it? Cause it would be awesome if my daughter's See n' Say also had Google maps on it with turn-by-turn navigation, for free.

 
 
Posted by B_Eazy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Oh! totally forgot about S3! By the way from what crackberry reported in the past, that will be there new super phone if we can say! from rumors it will have a 1GHz snapdragon processor, about 1Gb of Ram and a totally different OS of its own! So for you BB fans, be patient! Everything comes to does who waits...

 
 
Posted by infinus Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 556 days ago

Yes sure,
1Ghz. SnapDragon,
1Gig RAM.
But when??????
……….
May be by the time others use dual core 1 Ghz CPU or 2 Ghz. CPU. And 2 GB RAM.
…….

RIM should come up with another branch of mobile phone unit, dedicated for toy like mobile phones.

 
 
Posted by Bluecadet3 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 554 days ago

Yeah Storm 3 is not going to have 1GHz snapdragon processor or 1 Gb of Ram. That would be the Storm 4 you are thinking of.

Look here: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/blackberry-storm-3-detailed-in-traini...

"512MB, the camera will be bumped up to 5 megapixels, and the WiFi is being shifted to 802.11n"