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Posted by Garytheman03 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

I just may have to get a Bold then, when I can upgrade.

 
 
Posted by Shad0w26 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

You should RIP the Desktop Manager 6 CD and post the install file :)

 
 
Posted by sweetlittlehugs Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

"Sigh" where is the 9650 leak?

 
 
Posted by privax Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

I need a 9700-type device with a tad bit bigger screen that fills to the edge that's HD quality a 5 MP camera and this OS and my ideal dream phone would be complete.

 
 
Posted by cbble Wednesday, Aug 11, 2010 648 days ago

9780?

http://forums.crackberry.com/f219/9780-specs-505230/

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

"You need to remember, RIM's primary concern is pushing the performance and experience of new devices ahead so they keep selling more phones. Their second concern, is to bring these performance enhancements to in-market devices whenever possible"
So what this is saying is that RIM could give 2 sh1ts about previous customers that have had Blackberry's for many years and have upgraded to newer devices before and they only care about selling more phones. I had the 9530 and got screwed out of OS updates and then I upgraded to the 9550 and guess what? I got screwed again! F.U.C.K. RIM. Android here I come

 
 
Posted by MrWireless31 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

I couldn't agree with you more which is why after over 5 years of loyal service and over ten RIM devices, I bought the Droid X. RIM showed no concern for their customers, and after reading this article I obviously made the right choice. This phone destroys any Blackberry that exists today or in 2011. RIM is so behind the curve, it has become comical unless you're a shareholder. I predict RIM goes the way of Palm by the end of 2012 and if that happens, I couldn't be happier. Eat shlt RIM.

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

The very second I am available for an upgrade I am going straight to the Verizon store and buying an Android phone!!!!

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

But understandable. And in some ways I agree. I have a Storm 2 and it looks like no Blackberry 6 love for me. But here's my biggest beef with what Kevin has to say about it.

"With the BlackBerry Bold 9700 we hear RIM introduced some change-ups on the board which speeds up the way device memory interacts directly with the processor. The more intensive graphics and WebKit rendering engine deployed in BlackBerry 6 require this in order to maintain performance. Putting BlackBerry 6 on other devices would just slow them down."

Okay...correct me if I'm wrong here. The 9700 was released in September, 2009 I believe. If my memory is correct, the Storm 2 hit stores in November that same year. So why does a handset released TWO MONTHS after the 9700 NOT get Blackberry 6? Why didn't it also get 512 MB and the new board speeds?

RIM was into development of Blackberry 6 at that point, so it's not like they didn't know Blackberry 6 was coming. After all, "and yes, the Bold 9700 technically hit the market in 2009, but it was fairly late in 2009 when it hit so it's more of a 2010 phone" should also apply to the 9520/9550's.

RIM screwed the pooch on this one. Period. Something tells me that a whole lot of people who have the 9520/9550 feel like they are left holding the bag AGAIN, and just got the RIM-job. Backlash, anger and defections are inevitable.

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

The 9700 was a November release...

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Looks like my dates were a little off. The Storm2 released on October 28, 2009 while the 9700 was released on October 21, 2009. Which actually makes this worse.

Ever get the feeling sometimes like it would have been better not knowing something?

/: )

 
 
Posted by anastasiophan Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 649 days ago

Here is the real answer to your question.

RIM was working on BlackBerry OS 5.2 when the Storm 2 and 9700 were released (also the Tour probably). We know this because OS 5.2 was seen on the Clamshell not too long ago. Sometime around January/February when the Tour 2 was supposed to be released, RIM changed their plans on the new OS and realized it would require more RAM than they had previously thought. Because of this they delayed the Tour 2 and gave it 512MBs and changed the name to the Bold. This was probably right around the time that they scrapped 5.2 and decided they needed to make a bigger move and really make a splash with OS6, 5.2 just wasn't gonna cut it.

When the Storm 2, 9700, and Tour were released, RIM thought they would be able to handle the next OS without a problem. When RIM decided they needed to step up their game a bit more, they made a new OS that was too much for their newest phones to handle.

We know RIM screwed up by not planning ahead properly and I'm sure they know it too. Just ask yourself, would you rather RIM settled for 5.2 and supported your phone, or would you rather they step up to the plate and go all out, even if it meant your phone wouldn't be supported?

For me its a simple answer. I'd much rather have RIM make the best OS they can.

 
 
Posted by ItsaRaid Wednesday, Aug 25, 2010 634 days ago

Hey Mr. Wireless

How do you like the Droid X

 
 
Posted by r0cketman22 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Do you really believe all Android phones will receive Froyo (Android OS 2.2)?

The answer is; no, they won't. Only the higher end models will receive the update.

By the way, no one cares that you're going Android. You're not hurting our feeling, nor making a statement that's worth anything.

I have nothing against Android. They're doing great things. I love it. It pushes everyone else to do great things.

However, there's just something I love more about my BlackBerry. I feel more connected to the world than with any other device.

pin:22155915

 
 
Posted by shv580 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Amen!

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Well by the time I can upgrade to an Android phone they will all have 2.2 or better and why would I want to keep getting f.ucked by RIM when I can go to Android phones where the sh1ttiest Android phone is going to be 10x better than the new 9800 Torch coming out??? Answer that and you get a free cookie :)

 
 
Posted by zensen Friday, Aug 06, 2010 653 days ago

cool. androidcentral ---> is that a way!

No doubt android is doing good things; there's a huge amount of phones now carrying 1.6 + the community has grown in leaps and bounds. this is fortunate for users who still use phones like the htc magic - its a phone that wasn't guaranteed 2.0+ but luckily for my mate 'rooting' his phone he can get some of those features...

In saying that, I don't know why you even bother trying to provoke other users esp on a blackberry fansite.

Enjoy your phone while we continue to enjoy our blackberry's for what they are - communication devices that work.

 
 
Posted by JoelTruckerDude Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Well, lets see, considering they just released it for the Moto Droid, which released same time as the Storm 2, then I wouldn't necessarily say that its "high end" models only. If your gonna trash talk Android, at least get your facts straight. I just left my S2 after having since release date, S1 prior to that since release date and was "patiently" waiting for 6 to release so I could update, imagine my "joy" when I found that once AGAIN, RISM has FAILED to bring anything current to the table, still setting 2 years behind the competition. It's all good though, my DX arrived 2 days ago and I don't know why I waited so long to switch, night and day difference and also a piece of hardware that'll be "OS Upgradeable" for a while to come.

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

My fiancé got an Eris that was running 1.6, and even AFTER Verizon had it hit it's end of life she got to 2.1. 2.2 probably won't make it to that model, but the fact they updated to 2.1 is a hell of a sight better support than what RIM's handing out to a handset 9 months old.

 
 
Posted by jeepzilla Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

im sorry i had the curve... Storm 1..Tour... and the free Bold (replaced my tour)... im sorry i was Hooked on Blackberry but i figured let me check out the Droid X.
Best phone i have ever had... sorry RIM your waaaaay too late... No HD video 5mp cam come on, its 2010 not 2001..
Bye Blackberry :(

 
 
Posted by Big Dawg 23 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

You appear to know nothing about Android. 2.2 will run on any phone Android phone just depends on the carrier pushing it. The nice thing about Android is Open Source. There are many developers creating 2.2 Roms for all the phones. G1, the first Android phone to launch in November 2008 has 2.2 ported to it by Cyanogen.

So as I stated you have no clue. 2.2 will run on every Android device made not just the new ones. Carriers wont push them so it will entice people to purchase newer phones. Rooting a Android device and flashing ROMS is just as easy at BB. I flashed many leaked roms to my Storm and Tour. Android allows for more customization than BB.

Froyo 2.2 has Just in Time compiler that makes all phones speed greatly improved.

Not sure what BB offers that Android doesn't. Well I guess BB Messenger. But my Google talk replaces that.

 
 
Posted by zensen Friday, Aug 06, 2010 653 days ago

Unlike google, RIM has a vested interest in their phones and how they perform. Google on the other hand may have the nexus one branded after them using HTC but they are a software company and carriers/manufacturers will have that final say (tho being open source that final say may differ in some community forums :P)

you do realise 3.0 when that is released will have certain minimum standards laid out that will single-handedly stop most pre 2010 models from actually receiving this update. sure many older phones were updated to 2.0+ but did you ever try 1.6 (that wasn't great at all) and being dependant on a carrier really isn't something worth cheering about. it took my mates HTC hero almost a year to get to 2.0 after 1.6 because of carrier issues etc.

Luckily for android users, there are people like cyanogen creating roms and certain features to allow people to "root" their phones but whether or not it provides the experience/performance they would want out of a phone is another matter.

the problem i see with blackberry and its frustrations are people who recently bought bb phones 1-10 months. the 9700 WILL get the upgrade but why do people think that OS 5.0 will stop being upgraded or become useless? why do people expect more when considering that they bought the phone (hopefully) knowing full well what it came with. People expect so much from updates now like its something they demand. I expect updates to fix speed and programming issues though I do hope RIM does at least bring the Webkit browser to 5.0 users as that is really what is letting it down in a lot of areas.

Yeh Gtalk somewhat replaces BB Messenger and yeh so? Gtalk isn't exclusive to BB's either. there's a reason why so many businesses still use RIM as their go to business phone.

in closing, not everyone wants to flash roms and "root" their phones but it is definitely one of the main reasons to get an android because the community is there to maintain it.
You seem quite happy with android and like i said earlier. androidcentral is that a way ---> :)

 
 
Posted by freebird0022 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 649 days ago

My sister just bought an Android phone and it shuts down on her constently. It even calls random people, and when I call her it doesn't even register that I call, only if I leave a voice mail does she know I called. Through her experience and being woken up at 3 am by her phone mysteriously calling me, I'm DEFINATELY going to stick with my blackberry!!! So glad this phone comes out the day before my contracts up!!!

 
 
Posted by Brons2 Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 626 days ago

Definitely, read the reviews before getting an Android phone. There are some great ones and there are some duds as well.

 
 
Posted by Ryoohk Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

I agree.

i say if you want to go to Andriod then go dont have to sit here and look like an ass and go "f bb in going driod" or "bye rim. driod here i come" if thats what you like then go dont make your self look like a 3yr old crying over a blue lolly pop.

Me i like BBs does what i need it to do, the screen rez so what as long as i can see the screen im happy and 512 of memory yes that low but doesnt bother me because i dont have my phone loaded down with app i might use a total of 3.

to me it looks like a good phone and i am getting it even if its over the "crappy att network" or how people say when i have had att phone for years and have had no problems with it at all.

 
 
Posted by phabriss Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 651 days ago

PREACH ON!!!!
LMAO

 
 
Posted by MattDub22 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Do you get mad when the car you've driven for years, or even months, comes out with a new model and bigger engine for the same price? Do you expect FORD, HONDA, CHEVY etc... to just swap it out for you to keep your business? Or do you live with the decision YOU made and look forward to owning the newer model when the time is right for you? I know we are all tight on money, or I am at least, so we WANT the new stuff for free, but come on, is that really feasible? And if it does make good sense to you to give it out for free, then please tell me what kind of car you drive because i would love to own the brand that keeps on giving..... FOR FREE!!!

**Not trying to be an ass, just trying to open your eyes to the world of retail, phones are no different. ****

 
 
Posted by vqc61 Tuesday, Aug 31, 2010 628 days ago

That's not a good analogy. Most people here are not asking for a new phone. Just an update to OS 6.0. A better analogy would be if Microsoft says you have to have one of the latest quad-core CPU in order to upgrade to Windows 7. I can understand it if you have a 2005 computer and you can't upgrade. But my Tour is barely 1 year old. In fact, it was only about 3 months old when RIM announced OS 6.0. RIM will not retain customer loyalty this way.

 
 
Posted by 1magine Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

would make my parents happy. same phone application - teeny tiny picture id, and alerts and ring tones don't play through headsets.

 
 
Posted by HTC_Droid_EvO Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

This whole 6.0 is only a big deal if you are on At&t...and even then you have the Iphone, sorry rim wayyy too little too late.

 
 
Posted by r0cketman22 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

WebKit + Social Feeds + Enhanced Media

WANT. NOW.

Haha, hopefully the upgrade for the 9700 comes soon. Or the Bold 9780.

pin:22155915

 
 
Posted by cliro Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

I want details of how it will be on the 9700, most these talked about features are how it will be on touch devices

 
 
Posted by ron87 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

This phone is mediocre at best.

 
 
Posted by MacCB Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

It makes perfect sense for RIM to put the new OS6 on the newer devices to increase sales. After all, they are a business, and at the end of the day, it's all about money; not matter who you are or what business it is.
Now, if they don't plan to update the web browser to as many phones as possible, I think most of us will jump ship, including myself. For most of use this is one of the biggest complaints. At least give this to us!!!
I have a Storm2 and don't have any of the problems that I read about within the forums, (i.e.) freezing up, constant errors, etc. I've had my S2 for a year and it has only rebooted about 3 times on me. I bought it because I like the full screen; so, switching to anything but a full screen it worthless to me. Although it's nice looking, I don't like the Torch. Maybe if they made it slide up in landscape mood, I would by it.

 
 
Posted by SmooveLai Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

as much as i love blackberry im going to have to call it quits, not being able to get blackberry 6 is a problem for me knowing its there and settling for 5 on my curve 8530 so im going to be switching to android i got a couple offers on craigslist and ebay, i dont have the money to buy a new bold on verizon and i wont be receiving an upgrade for another 15 months so why settle when i can upgrade get the better browser and apps

farewell blackberry you were my greatest ally =[

 
 
Posted by Smell_Dawg Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

Even if "the rest of us" only got the webkit browser, I would be much happier.

Blackberry software may be (well, IS) behind the times, but I've never had any hardware issues at all with either of mine. I cannot say the same for Motorola phones, which I've had issues with each time I've purchased their products (hence my big hesitation to abandon ship and go with a droid). My 9350 works just as well as it did when I got it 20 months ago!

 
 
Posted by doob Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

Why on earth would RIM do a exclusive with such a phone? They could've made this phone on their own and released it to t-mobile along with at&t.

I know rim is worried about losing to android and iphone. This exclusive crap just made my mind up. Guess I need to make the switch to droid now. Sorry rim. In order to gain more users and market share, you need to release this to all people. Not just one carrier.

 
 
Posted by r0cketman22 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Because you can the Droid on all carriers...

 
 
Posted by Ebscer Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

The Droid doesn't work on T-mobile either.

(and unlike iPhone I don't think the Torch will be AT&T only for too long)

 
 
Posted by Brons2 Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 626 days ago

Droid is a trademark of LucasFilms (the star wars people) which Verizon licensed to use as a brand name on their phones running the Android operating system.

Both Verizon and T-Mobile have Android phones, they just have different names for them such as Droid and MyTouch 3G.

For that matter, AT&T and Sprint also have Android phones.

 
 
Posted by RHChan84 Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010 655 days ago

I like my 9550 but hate the browser. I want webkit but since its not getting OS6...no webkit. RIM should of realized touch screen phone's OS is more memory but they failed to put 512 but instead put 256 device memory. I have lost the little faith I had in RIM. Once the droid2 comes out, I'm dumping the S2. I use my phone a lot for the web and OM5 is good but droid browser is so much better. And can't forget...Droid is has mobile FLASH 10.1 which is a plus for me.

 
 
Posted by Pootermobile Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Am I the only one that's bummed that OS6 won't be able to run 3rd party themes like on current Blackberrys?! :( 3rd party themes is a BIG part of why I love my Blackberry. I am really bummed I thought OS6 was going to be a big step in the themeing community but I guess not.

 
 
Posted by B_Eazy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

They didnt say it wont run 3rd party themes! They said they will be limited on what they can change due to the new UI! Do people know how to read or what??? Then they start rumors about BB cant do this! BB cant do that! Please READ CAREFULLY the details!

 
 
Posted by RHaneyjr Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 644 days ago

yeah what easy said

 
 
Posted by B_Eazy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Hey guys, we dont care about you dumb F**ks switching phone!! go with Android that dont know how to make a solid phone that wont brake when you drop it or dont know how to manage emails properly or go with iPhone which dont know how to make no engineering mistake on their antenna! That was a HUGE one!!
One thing I have to admit, I'm REALLY excited for this phone and I will get it for sure! But RIM NEEDS to do something about specs in their phones!! Seriously!! I feel like I have no more ammos to fight the wars against the other duch bags out there owning there stupid toys in their hand! One thing for sure, BB`s are for serious people and not kids! So if you want to have a toy for a phone, get an Android or iPhone! If you want to be all about business and efficiency, get a BB!! Get it!

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

yeah the phone that cracks anytime you drop it is the "Motorola Droid" not all Android OS phones. and fuc.k the Storm 3 because you will get f.ucked by RIM again. I'm done with RIM not caring about loyal customers, I understand they want to make more money but if you want to keep your current customers show them some love. It took Microsoft almost 10 years to stop giving technical support and updates for Windows XP so I think RIM can support at least the 9550 for more than a couple of months. SO F.U.C.K. RIM

 
 
Posted by SilverSurfR Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Perhaps you are misinformed. Android is the OS, created by Google. Android doesn't make hardware, or do you blame the fuel when your car breaks after hitting a tree?

Could you elaborate on Android email management? I haven't noticed any issues here, but I am a gmail user, so you could be referring to the "other" email app.

"One thing for sure, BB`s are for serious people and not kids!"
Now about that... Have you looked around? Most of the "kids" I see with a REAL smartphone use a BB. Blackberry has become the new Sidekick, and BBM is the new AIM.

"toy for a phone"
Is it? Cause it would be awesome if my daughter's See n' Say also had Google maps on it with turn-by-turn navigation, for free.

 
 
Posted by B_Eazy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Oh! totally forgot about S3! By the way from what crackberry reported in the past, that will be there new super phone if we can say! from rumors it will have a 1GHz snapdragon processor, about 1Gb of Ram and a totally different OS of its own! So for you BB fans, be patient! Everything comes to does who waits...

 
 
Posted by infinus Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Yes sure,
1Ghz. SnapDragon,
1Gig RAM.
But when??????
……….
May be by the time others use dual core 1 Ghz CPU or 2 Ghz. CPU. And 2 GB RAM.
…….

RIM should come up with another branch of mobile phone unit, dedicated for toy like mobile phones.

 
 
Posted by Bluecadet3 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 653 days ago

Yeah Storm 3 is not going to have 1GHz snapdragon processor or 1 Gb of Ram. That would be the Storm 4 you are thinking of.

Look here: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/blackberry-storm-3-detailed-in-traini...

"512MB, the camera will be bumped up to 5 megapixels, and the WiFi is being shifted to 802.11n"

 
 
Posted by savjr Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

I have been a long time fan of blackberry each year upgrading to the newest and best rim has to offer until now. I have gone through. Five storms in the past 18 months two of which are storm 2. Now if i want a smartphone with a touch screen that actually works i have to upgrade again. Well no more. As i type this from my droidx i am realizing what i have been missing. A phone that works. I will still keep my storm2 to remind me of how archaic rim is and will always be. Granted droid is new to the market it just goes to show what real inovation is.

I am sure that os6 will be great but i just cannot continue to buy blackberries that are outdated in six months.

 
 
Posted by B_Eazy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

They didnt say it wont run 3rd party themes! They said they will be limited on what they can change due to the new UI! Do people know how to read or what??? Then they start rumors about BB cant do this! BB cant do that! Please READ CAREFULLY the details!

 
 
Posted by Pootermobile Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

I know what I read dude...man why is everyone just waiting to pounce on a comment on here lol. I said that OS6 won't be able to run 3rd party themes LIKE the current Blackberrys. I didn't mean that it wouldn't be able to run then at all and I wasn't spreading rumors I just posted one comment. I love RIM and my Blackberry ok? Lol! I just can't imagine having a "theme" on my Blackberry that just changes the wallpaper and icons I would die :-Þ

 
 
Posted by FunkyDog Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Whatever it will be, I'm just disappointed that loyal Storm2 users like me is being treated like a stepchild and not getting the love we deserve.

I'm crossing over to the dark side to Darth Vader (a.k.a. Steve Jobs) and to the Death Star (a.k.a. Apple). Just waiting for the day iPhone4 comes to my shores.....

 
 
Posted by zensen Friday, Aug 06, 2010 653 days ago

loyal storm2 users. how loyal are you. did you get a storm 1?

I swear loyal gets thrown freely around like its salt on chips.

You might have been a loyal blackberry user from a few models perhaps, but if this is truly your first phone. how loyal can someone be if the only thing stopping you is your contract or money?

I dont really care for brand loyalty but I do care about build quality and service. RIM does offer that but it unfortunate the phone you have now doesn't do what you had bought it for in the first place, to make calls, emails and browse the web (the web thing is a good excuse since the os 5 browser sucks :P but here's hoping 5.0 users do get the webkit browser)

I swear fans of blackberry really dont care what phone you switch to. this isnt iphonecentral or androidcentral now is it?

 
 
Posted by Olivier B Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

Very interesting review. Thanks a lot !

 
 
Posted by adelineeleanor Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 655 days ago

so disappointed that they don't support 8520. I'm getting an iphone now.

oh, excellent review!

 
 
Posted by Jazz_nh Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

One thing I never liked about the BB OS is the black border on the top. Looks like not only does OS6 still have it, it is not on the bottom too.
had S1 and S1 becuase of the full screen.... not I have Droid X, so I like great wallpapers. On my Storms (which I dont miss) the borders always covered up part of the screen.

 
 
Posted by infinus Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago


May be due to hardware restriction of Storm2 OS6 can’t be ported on it.
but they can at least try porting web kit browser.
May be only 3 tabs of pages, but it will be better than current browser.
.
Storm 2 users really deserve Web Kit browser, you can make full use of big screen.
..
May be RIM is working on it.

 
 
Posted by live420 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

I love the new os but I'm not to sure ill ever see it or any time soon BBs arnt cheap especially new devises the one thing I loved bout bbs is that they always supported the changes an all of the sudden a new os 6 that won't be supported for any of recent devices just released last year that's messed up ppl spent of lot money for a devise that can now be tossed out cause no one will won't a old BB that can't be updated it would be nice to see at a new web kit for 85xx users but I just don't see it happening good job RIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
Posted by jeepzilla Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

im sorry i had the curve... Storm 1..Tour... and the free Bold (replaced my tour)... im sorry i was Hooked on Blackberry but i figured let me check out the Droid X.
Best phone i have ever had... sorry RIM your waaaaay too late... No HD video 5mp cam come on, its 2010 not 2001..
Bye Blackberry :(

 
 
Posted by rcm1301 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

As Kevin said: "I just really wish all in-market devices with 256MB of ram could at least get the updated web browser. That would make a lot of people happy."

Com'on CrackBerry, use your influance to make RIM put the webbrowser update on BB5.0 and we will ALL be happy!

 
 
Posted by BENZ_O Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Can't wait!! :)

 
 
Posted by Tito71 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Reading Pootermobile comments, I am in the same situation. What makes me love the BB is the theme making part of it. We got so use to create our own themes and now how much we will loose of it? No one knows until we get the new version of BB theme builder, will DL when available try it with the 9800 simulator and if I feel I can't create themes the way I want it, bye bye BlackBerry!

 
 
Posted by junior79 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

as i sit here and read these comments iphone this ,droid that. i ask why would u put a newer better program on a phone that wont be able to use it right. Think about the iphone users that bought a iphone then wham oh 3gs yeah you can upgrade. but u still dont get the extras. now the iphone4 is out every phone has these upgrades. so all u crying babies go to verizon with horrible service and a 350 early cxl charge. and i bet you droid will do the same in the near future and ill laugh.

i am excited for the torch and i have a bold 9000 love it to death. not up for any upgrades etc but if you work and want things u buy it.

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

"Verizon with horrible service"??? I have had Verizon forever and have never had any problems with their wonderful service, but if you live in an area where you get At&t service and not Verizon service that's f.ucked up because every where I have been there is no At&t service anywhere close. I'm also not sure what you are trying to say with "all u crying babies...and ill laugh" because I'm waiting until I am eligible for an upgrade which is in about 17 months because I LOVE having another Blackberry that I can own for about 2 years and get only like 3 updates in the first month and then RIM move onto newer customers leaving Loyal Customers in the dust.

 
 
Posted by anturpin Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

I think this is a good step in the right direction for Rim. Seems they did their research and implemented a lot of improvements the public wanted. to be honest I think this is a distraction to not lose too much market share as they rebuild something from square one, just like Microsoft, and Palm. It's a shame they didn't get Palm, BB OS and WEB OS would have made a crazy combo!
As for the Storm 2 not getting the update all you have to do is look at the screenshot above, the new OS takes up 277MB on the 9800, Last I looked the storm 2 only has 256MB. As for the hardware specs, obviously more is better, but was it required? Screen resolution should have been higher, but who knows maybe it wouldn't render properly on a high resolution screen and the lower end screens. As for the processor too much can be overkill and affect battery management. If the software is written properly and utilizes the processor efficiently, a 1GHz processor is not required.

 
 
Posted by dwbarcl Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

I wish we knew when this OS will be released. I want to upgrade my phone maybe to the BOLD and can upgrade Saturday. DO I go bold or wait unitl Verizon and RIM put out a new phone with OS6 on it? My storm is almost to the end of life.

 
 
Posted by Ronin916 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

I say wait if you can. I have a suspicion that the Bold is going to be outdated in a few months, if RIM continues along this path. You would be better off holding on for a while, at least, to see what happens.

Just my opinion, mind you.

 
 
Posted by Sacc Daddy Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

You're Storm was at the end of its life a month after you got it because if this is the 9500/9530 you are talking about then RIM stopped caring for the people that supported RIM's first touch screen phone and if you are talking about the 9520/9550 then RIM stopped caring for the loyal Storm customers.

 
 
Posted by scalemaster34 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Think RIM is moving in the right direction with OS6, next step would be to allow applications on the on-board memory... which having 4GB of on-board memory may be an indication that they may be working on that feature.

But as PALM learned, it not just about the OS...

 
 
Posted by Fr3lncr Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Personally, I like the look of OS6... in my opinion, it is much more functional than iOS... no experience with Android so I can't compare other to say I like the UI better with BB.

However, from the standpoint of going beyond the experience of just the phone OS, you need apps and that is one area that we will have to see how OS6 pans out... I hope more people embrace because I'd really like to stop using my iPod Touch for the things I can't do with my BB. (I still use by BB more than the Touch though).

 
 
Posted by pa7tip Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Why do people take this shit so seriously. I have been reading this post and laughing, so thanks for that i guess. I dont think people get this upset over somebody insulting their mother so why be insulted by someone bashing your favorite mobile platform? Now please continue, i could use the entertainment.

 
 
Posted by rzst Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

I know, its quite entertaining that people are getting so worked up over this, especially with all this arguing over which mobile platform is the best.

 
 
Posted by Galeforcejr Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

Great Review! I just wish the part about what phones were getting it was way at the top so I didn't waste my time reading it. I have a Storm 2, which I purchased a short 6 months ago!!! WTF!!! Before that I had a Curve and have been a loyal BB user for over 6 years. Mind you, defending RIM to all my friends that have iPhones and Droids, saying BB is a smarter phone.

Needless to say, I need to vent my frustration. Like everyone else, I feel cheated. How can a phone, that is supposed to be the Big Daddy touchscreen smartphone (iPhone killer they called it), not be given updates? I purchased this S2 only 6 MONTHS AGO! Brand New! I guess they are not smart phones after all. Now I have to tuck tail as my friends ended up being right. 18 more months of this crap!! RIM, you suck for this! I agree where somneone said RIM will be phased out by 2012, if they keep this crap up.

The one thing that I cling to is BBM, which really is no different then the other IMs already out there.

Sincerely Disappointed,

Your Loyal Customer Base That Have BB's Older Than 9 Months and Are Still Locked Into a F'ing Contract!

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

The biggest thing I read from you is that RIM is not planning to give Apple or Google their business. They are putting up a good fight. They've taken some punches, but they are not out of it. In fact, they appear to be back in the game.

I do have one comment... You don't want to run apps off a MicroSD card. Doing so will quickly compromise the BlackBerry as a "friend" can replace your card with his and auto-run an app to crack into your device. What RIM needs to do instead is to allow apps to run from device memory! This is far more secure and allows RIM to free up RAM for running apps! Doing so will allow BlackBerry 6 to run off a Storm 1 as apps can be installed in device memory, and its measly 128 MB RAM can be used just for running apps.

On another note, I don't like the app switcher. It sux! They did such a great job with the webkit browser tabs, but they couldn't do the same with apps and allow users to see exactly which app was being selected? C'mon! Make multitasking easier!

Honestly, hearing you say the words "it's honestly made me fall in love with my BlackBerry all over again" really tells me a lot! Thank you for that! Can't wait to see a new Storm running BB6 with much upgraded specs... PLEASE, RIM!!!

 
 
Posted by zensen Friday, Aug 06, 2010 653 days ago

FINALLY! reading a commenter with sense.

I really hope the device memory you speak of does occur.

 
 
Posted by Joe257 Thursday, Aug 05, 2010 654 days ago

A lot of negative comments about RIM not supporting older devices. I can understand the frustration by all of these folks, but if they are happier with Android or iPhone, then c'est la vie! I'm really happy for you. Genuinely.

Really, it's not just about RIM wanting to sell new hardware, but users want the latest stuff! I know I do! My Storm 2 is aging so it doesn't matter if it doesn't get BB6. I want a faster CPU, more RAM, larger & higher def screen & camera, and even a front facing camera.

Fortunately, my provider will allow me to upgrade to a new device every 2 years, so what's the deal with sticking with a 2 year old BlackBerry and expecting the latest & greatest OS? Do you want giant leaps forward or just some incremental updates? Already, I can't wait to upgrade to a newer device!

 
 
Posted by phathead50 Friday, Aug 06, 2010 654 days ago

Any chance they either got rid of, or give an option to getting rid of, that damned shutter sound when you take a pic?

 
 
Posted by Stompy Monday, Aug 09, 2010 650 days ago

http://technologyexpert.blogspot.com/2009/01/politician-proposes-mandato...

Looks like the proposed bill isn't going anywhere, but the idea still stands. A cell phone nowadays is basically a concealed camera and without making some sort of sound it becomes a perverts' weapon. It seems as though all the hardware and software developers have made a stand on the issue even if the government hasn't.

 
 
Posted by stsys Friday, Aug 06, 2010 653 days ago

Seemingly great and detailed article.
But frankly I just do not have the time to read it all.

Questions:
- does OS6 still take forever to boot?
- does it require battery pulls periodically (realize you may not know yet)?
- does an SW upgrade (realize you may not know yet) still take like 1 hour plus? And are you still hoping it will work afterward?

These things are painful.
I have used BB from the beginning and would look to stick with them.

But a few things:
- they just seems to be out of it in general, perhaps they grew too fast. most people I deal with in Waterloo are like two titles above their abilities
- co-ceo's seem to be out of it. I think they are operating in a different universe. they have lost touch...
- what the heck with engineering, realize Waterloo is no design house for user interfaces, but sw/hw engineering is like really having some issues. have to think it is mgmt and BS politics, because I have had a lot of good experience with the engineers

??? who the heck is product mgmt there? geez what the hell. there have been a couple major issues they should have fixed immediately -- of course the browser - so they aquire a company and dick around to put it into os6 which will only be support on a limited # of platforms...

what the f are they thinking - that is so, soo stupid.
well no we have os 6 - meanwhile leaving the installed base to go to android, iphone, wp7, nokia, etc.

look product managers - the life cycle of a phone is short - so you think customers will upgrade to BB 6 capable phone - when you could simply update the browser and keep people happy for a long time???

gee, I hate to say, because I have been loyal, but it is not working for me and I am afraid that I am jumping in the very near future to Android. I cannot take it any longer. I have a Storm and an eval 9300 and while I will say the Storm is generally crap (pre 5.0 is was totally junk) and the 9300 is not all that bad -- the 9300 still has a crap browser - so forget the web. 9300 is some cost-reduced variant, but not so bad, just whay the heck should I pay for data plan and have essentially and unusable browser, and half baked apps???

Is there product mgmt at RIM?

Again I can barely take it.

Enterprise customers are feeling the pain and opportunity. To some extent they are locked in a bit but on the other hand they are ready to jump.

RIM could easily see a 6-12 months cycle where they lose massive market share. Easily. Looks like the path they are on. E-staff out partying, lame mid-mgmt, who cares workforce. shaping up to be a Harvard business case study of how to f-up.

I really hate to, but I am fighting off just going and changing out my phone(s) everyday. This OS6, blah, blah does very little to give me any ANY confidence.

Heck I could have been happy with a Storm and updated Browser + keyboard layout. But no some product mgrs (or execs) thought they knew that I need to buy a new phone. Only thing is if you put me in the position of buying a new phone - guess what - I just may buy someone else phone! Which is most likely what I will do.

 
 
Posted by EraticKnight Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 652 days ago

When are the updates coming out for the Bold 9700?
Will they be available in my country? I'm in South Africa.

I'm sooo excited :-D wow!!! This iz just too great people, isn't?

 
 
Posted by Jimmyadji Sunday, Aug 08, 2010 651 days ago

So..there will be No Upgrade what so ever for STORM2??? what a waste..

 
 
Posted by 3G.BoldBerry Monday, Aug 09, 2010 651 days ago

after playing with the phone the size isnt what the pictures show. its allot smaller than it looks and the option of having the combo is very nice being that its so clean compacted and strong all in one unit. i didn't like it at first but now yes its very nice and the fluid touch screen with 3G this is really the next big hit after the 9000. to bad the storm isnt made like this with the screen but i still like the storm. just this adds more options and with os 6 it rocks on. ill be getting mine soon just want otter box to make a case for this one it will need it thats for sure.

 
 
Posted by ZOMF Monday, Aug 09, 2010 650 days ago

Does anyone know whether Blackberry 6 enables wireless sync for pictures and videos as well as music?

 
 
Posted by mmaginnis Monday, Aug 09, 2010 650 days ago

"With BlackBerry 6 RIM really dug deep into the BlackBerry framework and did some serious renovations."

And yet, every review on a website that isn't a RIM fanboy blog acknowledges that it's still way behind Android and iOS.

My contract is up in two weeks. Based on what I've seen so far, my decision to ditch BlackBerry hasn't changed.

 
 
Posted by baziz24 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 650 days ago

Wow, you totally nailed it out of the park with this review in terms of detail and the important points.

 
 
Posted by coxwain Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 650 days ago

looks awesome. Good job BB, I will upgrade when offered on Rogers in canda

 
 
Posted by aixerona Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 649 days ago

(I know this is unlikely, but) what are the odds that the curve OS gets an upgrade past 5 at this point?
I am literally salivating.

 
 
Posted by maya77 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 649 days ago

Great review but bad news for Storm2 users.

This is really disappointing...

I would be happy even with some "stripped" version of OS6. Call it "OS6 Light" or so, but release it for S2 users.

 
 
Posted by booov24 Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010 649 days ago

any possiblilty of bb6 coming to storm models

 
 
Posted by reverepats Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 645 days ago

everyone posting that there gonna go for the android or the iphone, then go already. no one give a rats ass about u complaining already. give it a rest...........seriously. if u want new updates then get a updated phone. i had to pay retail $500 for my bold......so suck it up

 
 
Posted by galaxy999 Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 645 days ago

I'm excited. As much as I love everything about blackberry, I have to admit the OS was getting really stale. I picked up a few android devices at the store and they were way more fun to use. At the same time, I can't stand the whole slider/lack of keyboard form factor, so Blackberry has always been my number one choice, and I inevitably would not end up wanting an android device as a result. I'm so glad the OS is being revamped because I really have not encountered any other phone that was quite as awesome, and with the browser improvements I'm so excited :D The browser was the only thing that would make me want to permanently switch to android/iphone, and now that its enhanced I have no reason to switch!

One time I was sending pictures to my friend's Nexus One. he was absolutely amazed at how fast my phone sent them. So obviously BB still has something going for it if someone with a top of the line android device is getting jealous.

 
 
Posted by loumacuser Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 645 days ago

Based on what I see here and of my 5 min hands on with a Torch it is significantly better than my experience with a Storm1 and 2. That being said, I don't see anything about an OS 6 device on Verizon anytime soon and ATT is simply not an option.

Let me be clear. I like the BB OS and feel now OS 6 provides the experience I expect for dual use purposes - as highlighted in the most recent ATT TV Commercial. My concern is ostensibly with the hardware. Circle back to my Storm comment and couple it with the love affair with the 624MHz processor. BB devices need a bump in horese power to make it a better experience.

 
 
Posted by 2 PhoneUser Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 642 days ago

I liked the review it covered allot of information. I've had the Storm 1 and now the Storm 2, the fact that RIM won't provide the new browser is a real issue for me. Where I work we are now supporting not just BB phones, finally we now have a choice and we need how to support all of these different phones in our corporate environment. I have an Apple for personal use, every OS has it strength's But this was a big mistake on RIM's part to not support the older phones. At least say your sorry - or do something. The spec's on the Torch aren't that great except for the memory & OS 6 it's not that powerful. I'll make my decision in January and see what Verizon has out then but RIM is no longer my only option, let the games begin.

 
 
Posted by carullo Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 640 days ago

phone is a comunication device.....email..text..bbm...call quality...nobody does it better than rim.....you wanna surf the net,buy a laptop

 
 
Posted by Clintonvan Friday, Aug 20, 2010 639 days ago

We Live in South Africa ( Firstly We Cant Get HALF The Apps ) And i Bought Many Storm 2's Because Of Suretype. Easy To Type if You Have Big Fingers..... now We Will Be Stuck Without OS 6 i Bought The Storm 2 1 Month Ago ..yep 1 month ago AFTER Hearing Bout os 6... Look i Like the bb Service But i Think they Are Stuffing up here maybe make OS 6 For Storm 2 9700 etc Available for A Fee ??

 
 
Posted by Trauber103 Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 638 days ago

Anyone know if they still have the option to have the SureType Keyboard on the touch screen when the phone is upright? To me thats the saving grace of the blackberry storm i own.

 
 
Posted by xmayze Wednesday, Sep 01, 2010 628 days ago

I was recently looking into switching to the new droid x or droid 2 in october, thats when i get my upgrade :P i was so excited to see that OS 6 was coming out for blackberry, but then i was horribly torn when i found out that 6 probably isnt coming to the storm 9530 :(

So i think that just gave me a violent shove into switching to a droid in october .. ill miss you blackberry!

 
 
Posted by Brons2 Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 626 days ago

I am a BES server admin, and of course I have been carrying a work BlackBerry for years, unfortunately I also carry my personal phone at the same time. I've been hoping work would just go to a stipend funding model so I could just get my own 'berry and call it a day.

Well that's never going to happen. Anyway one day I dropped my personal non-smartphone in the toilet. I decided to get an LG Ally which is an Android phone, and I thought maybe it would replace my BlackBerry for work communications as it can tap into the OWA server at work via Active Sync. If it worked good I could finally be down to 1 phone.

Fat chance. The Exchange support in Android is not good at all. I can't choose which folders to automatically forward to the Android exchange client, or even view folders for that matter. The calendar integration totally sucks. It's supposed to update in real time but it's very sporadic even when connected via WiFi. You can't trust it.

If you are someone who has a highly customized BES environment at work, the Android won't cut it. Neither will the iPhone for that matter. There's just no substitute for a BlackBerry at this point in time.

Maybe the Android and iPhone will be better on a future software revision and a newer version of Exchange (2010+, we are running 2007 now).

Now, all that being said, if you're not in a BES environment, the Android is a nice phone. For personal use I recommend Android, just make sure your chosen phone is either running the Android 2.2 OS or is upgradable to the 2.2 OS.

I find that I use my BlackBerry at lot less for things like checking my Gmail and hitting the mobile web now that I have an Android phone. Part of that is my 'Berry is an 8320 and has a small screen and no 3G. But still the Android interface is great. I have downloaded about 30 Android apps from the Marketplace that I have lots of fun with.

So anyways for now I am sticking with two phones. haha. Maybe I'll get down to one at some point. OS6 looks nice, I'd like to get my hands on it.

I echo those about the disappointment of the Torch and OS6 only being on AT&T right now.

Guess that's it. 207C229D

 
 
Posted by svsmailus Monday, Sep 06, 2010 622 days ago

Does OS 6 give BIS, or non BES users a proper email client for IMAP. To date the greatest shortcoming for me with BB is its appalling excuse for an IMAP client. There is no proper synchronisation nor any ability to use folders. In all honesty, email with BB without BES is crippled and useless.

Is this fixed in OS 6?

 
 
Posted by phassat Saturday, Oct 23, 2010 576 days ago

I am a hardcore iPhone user and has been using iPhone since 3g, 3gs and now iPhone 4 and will stick to it as long as it still has the edge.

Android is very tantalizing but i like iPhone better.

The only reason I use BB is to use its BBM and email. Unfortunately my country right now is the 2nd largest BB market and everybody keep asking for my pin (before I had a BB) and thought my iPhone 3GS is of somekind of the most advanced BB ever... haha

So, I'll keep my 8520 as long as my network use BBM.... If there is no BBM, for sure I will only use iPhone 4 alone...

BB is retard by using its RAM for apps.... should at least put the app that don't need to much security (such as games and themes) to the media card so people could have a lot of storage....

 
 
Posted by strepke Wednesday, Nov 03, 2010 564 days ago

I just flashed my 9700 with the leaked OS6. looks very good with lots of features to adjust. I was just wondering:

does this OS contain WAP or hotspot browser? or is this selected automaticaly?

Hope to hear something soon.

Brgds,
Ivo

 
 
Posted by jgreyone Friday, Nov 05, 2010 562 days ago

I've been anxiously awaiting an upgrade to my Blackberry's OS, so that the web browser and e-mail client "would no longer suck"! I have a BB Curve and of course, the OS is not going to be made available for my phone. So, BB has helped me to make the decision to upgrade to a new phone. Unfortunately for them, after two years of dealing with this miserable and poorly thought out excuse for a phone, I'm moving on to something that is high tech, fast and upgradeable, the HTC EVO 4G. It appears from the new phone sales figures that Blackberry is headed in the same direction as Palm and is paying the price for failing to innovate and keep up with their competitors. Adios BB!

 
 
Posted by stackberry369 Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 538 days ago

Os6,don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 
 
Posted by amandaueta Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 472 days ago

I on the home page of BB that curve 3G 9300 is indeed included on the list for the update!! and also it says same on my carriers home page... hmmmmm
anybody updated their curve 9300 yet?

 
 
Posted by MidNiteBlues Monday, Sep 12, 2011 251 days ago

Been using a 9930 for several weeks now, overall it’s the best BlackBerry I've used in twelve years!
BUT...
The Alarm applet has been reduced to a sub-function of a Calendar appointment (lame).
The Search function is what I miss most. Now there is absolutely no way to find any of those tidbits of information (part numbers, vendor account codes, directions, recipes, etc) that have been squirreled away in MemoPad or a Contact note.
Does anyone know if RIM will ever reinstate a version 5.0 type search feature?