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Posted by zerog32 Monday, Sep 17, 2007 1609 days ago

I really look foward to Monday's now, thanks guys another great class.

 
 
Posted by M3502 Monday, May 25, 2009 993 days ago

That really helpedme learn the difference between the two. I'm set up on a BES with my company, however I'm thini=king that they might be the culprits of why I can have MMS sent to my phone. People try to send me pic messages and it never comes through to my phone. I'm thinking maybe they might have something restricting them from coming through on their end....

 
 
Posted by Sean Monday, Sep 17, 2007 1609 days ago

I was hoping for a better description of the functionality differences, rather than just the differences security and deployment. (Though, what you did describe was helpful, too.) For example, how is email sync'd between the Blackberry and BIS versus the Blackberry and BES? I get different answers depending on what site I visit.

I currently use a hosted Exchange server to handle one of my email accounts. It's been great at keeping my desktop, my laptop, and my Windows Mobile 5 phone in sync including read status and flagged status. I'm thinking of moving to the 8310 when it gets released but definitely want to maintain my ability to keep everything in sync. (Mostly email since calendar, contact and "to do" items get synced by direct connect to the desktop.)

Do I have to go the route of adding on BES service to my hosted Exchange (an extra $10 a month) or can I get away with the BIS service through AT&T?

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Monday, Sep 17, 2007 1609 days ago

Hey Sean,

Thanks for the comments. I'll forward on to our "guest lecturer" to see if he can also address your questions when he gets a chance.

At the same time, if there's any BIS/BES experts who want to chime in with some Expert support, you're more than welcome!

One thing I can add though (I'm not a certifield BIS/BES Expert in this area, hence a guest lecturer!!), is that if you are running a hosted exchange server you should be able to set up RIM's single license BES simulator. You can download it for free (comes with a free license for one device), and it allows you to keep everything in sync both ways (email, address book, calendar, etc.) between your Berry and Exchange Server. And this works for when you are on the BIS.

CrackBerry.com's webmaster/all around guru set this up for me a few months back, and it's worked flawlessly. Look for a step-by-step guide to setting this up in a future lecture. It's essentially basic BES syncing functionality, and is available who bought their berrys from a carrier and were initially set up on BIS.

 
 
Posted by Chris Olley Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 1473 days ago

Hi Kevin,

I've been struggling to find information about how to set up what I'm after.

My company, in Jersey (so different TelCos) has a BES Exchange box. They want me (in the UK) to get a BlackBerry. They said I need a BES client licence but the UK telcos are completely useless and don't seem to know about this stuff. They keep trying to sell me a BIS.

Can I purchase a BIS BlackBerry and data allowance and then connect it up to the BES? If so, what do I need?

I really appreciate any help you might be able to offer!

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 1215 days ago

It is not the device that has either BES or BIS, that would be poor customer service. Can you imagine if you had 20 devices all programmed w/ BES and than let them go to BIS??!!! YIKES

At ATT BES and BIS are two seperate features we add to your account as a data plan. BES email is sent out of the Enterprise server that your company has purchased rights to. BIS is a personal Blackberry Plan. If your company doesnt tell you that you need the BES plan or that you need the plan that runs on the Enterprise server than the BIS is good for most people.

Hope that helps.

 
 
Posted by mike_mchugh Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 850 days ago

Do you have a link to download the single license BES simulator?
Thanks!

 
 
Posted by renegade37918 Monday, Sep 17, 2007 1609 days ago

i was unsure forever if i had bes or bis know i know it's bis. Great job President Hickie!!!

 
 
Posted by DubyaEl Monday, Sep 17, 2007 1609 days ago

Prof Hinkie - GREAT lecture! Like others here, CB.com sure knows how to make me actually look forward to Monday!

Kevin - I'm SOOOOO stoked that we're going to be having class twice a week now!!! Keep up the GREAT work!!!!!

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Monday, Sep 17, 2007 1608 days ago

Just twice this week (not every week). I promised I would do "Which BlackBerry to Choose for You" this week, but also wanted to work in the BIS vs. BES.

Back to just once a week come Monday (though I'm still we'll still fit in some extra classes from time to time).

 
 
Posted by mattmarenic Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 1608 days ago

So great...

Would be nice that I had BB subject in collage...

 
 
Posted by JanetWilliams Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 1608 days ago

I read the first lecture and was able to get more out of these darn things I have to support than anything else I have read or listened to. I have to support (troubleshoot, talk people off the ledge, tell them not to take them skiing or boating) about 600 of them. I understand the BES pretty well and am able to help my users with many different problems they can come up with. With this lecture, BIS and BES are now making more sense and I agree with Sean about more information possibly needed.

Thanks for putting this together. I have told others who also support the devices to check out this site and sign up. That and so they can stop calling me Blackberry Queen and learn so much more on how to use them.

 
 
Posted by Kevin Michaluk Wednesday, Sep 19, 2007 1607 days ago

Hey Class,

Some of you may see this as a good thing, others may see it as a bad thing. The "second" class scheduled for this week (today) is canceled.

I've been sick the last couple of days (starting to feel better but still out of whack), and I'm just not quite done on the lecture.

Look for "How to Choose the Right BlackBerry For You" on Monday...regular schedule in effect!

Thanks for the understanding,

Kevin

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 1474 days ago

Very informative. Thank you.

 
 
Posted by jazzyl Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 1347 days ago

Hey I really enjoyed the lecture it really was informative. I will recommend it to everyone that has a Blackberry

 
 
Posted by ish Tuesday, Jun 10, 2008 1342 days ago

I think the class was very informative please keep teaching!!!

 
 
Posted by Anonymous Friday, Jun 13, 2008 1339 days ago

Hi, thanks for the explanation. It was VERY informative.

I have another question that is related though (at least i think it is).

I currently have BIS set up temporarily on my office-issued BB. THe emails i have registered are my work and Yahoo (personal email). Now I'm assuming that my yahoo email stays private (i.e. the office folks can't track or read the contents and use it against me).

My question is: will I be able to enjoy the privacy of my personal (yahoo) email if i activate BES? THe office insists i activate BES.

Thanks much!

 
 
Posted by Mark@Earthlink Friday, Jul 18, 2008 1304 days ago

ado, not adieux

 
 
Posted by longest driver Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 1291 days ago

The current generation of BlackBerry smartphones do not have a touch screen, unlike several Windows Mobile based devices, as well as the iPhone, which do offer touch screens. However, the next generation of BlackBerry is known to have a touchscreen device, code-named BlackBerry Thunder.

 
 
Posted by MichaelRay Wednesday, Oct 08, 2008 1222 days ago

This is a stupid question i know but i just cant figure it out. I have Verizon and when i open the browser on my blackberry 8830 it gives me certain pages i can visit. my question is how do i just type in the http address of the site i want to visit?

 
 
Posted by cityguyaz Thursday, Mar 26, 2009 1053 days ago

great lecture on the basics of BIS and BES. however, I would have liked to better understand the functional differences a bit more in depth. I guess I can't have everything, lol. Thank once again for another great lecture.

 
 
Posted by arifshahzad Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 1050 days ago

I have corporate BB 8900 with limited data plan. The only Browser is BB Browser no hotspot browser nstalled. I can connect to WiFi no problem. Even with mobile network disconnected I can get emails from work over WiFi and browse the web.

I have been reading differnt views on these forums such as:

1. No Charge to data plan as long as I am on WiFi.
2. As I have no hotspot browser and I am using BB browser this authenticate data via BES, BES tracks data so no matter if I am using WiFi it will chew up my data plan.

Can someone confirm with surity which of the above views are correct?

Thanks

 
 
Posted by culture585 Monday, Mar 30, 2009 1049 days ago

i really love this site, so informative.

 
 
Posted by Shea_Blackberry Saturday, Apr 25, 2009 1023 days ago

THESE ARE VERY INFORMATIVE, AND I DO FIND THEM USEFUL. WHAT I AM HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH IS WHY SO MANY OF THE LINKS ON THESE PAGES DO NOT WORK. EXAMPLE http://crackberrybplay.com/

 
 
Posted by traffikhercules Wednesday, Apr 29, 2009 1019 days ago

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Posted by stormydavis Friday, May 08, 2009 1010 days ago

Thanks for making the differences between BIS and BES more clear!

 
 
Posted by minnierose Thursday, May 21, 2009 997 days ago

how do i know which server i have

 
 
Posted by invioeguru Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 963 days ago

This is awesome for a BB newbie like myself. Thanks! This whole site is incredible & I can't get enough of it.I am truly addicted.

 
 
Posted by bazzy Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 932 days ago

this was most interesting to a newbie 64 year old like myself. i have a BIS data plan with Orange UK. am i correct in thinking that a BIS plan is cheaper than a BES plan?

 
 
Posted by jezreel Sunday, Aug 02, 2009 924 days ago

I loved the class you gave us! Thank you

 
 
Posted by jezreel Sunday, Aug 02, 2009 924 days ago

I loved the class you gave us! Thank you

 
 
Posted by Nubie Sunday, Sep 06, 2009 889 days ago

Great stuff...I new nothing about Blackberrie. Was very helpful and I will continue thru the clsses

 
 
Posted by travelinscout Wednesday, Sep 23, 2009 872 days ago

These classes are great. I just got my first BB, a tour, and I am absolutely amazed at how versatile and easy to use it is. I cant beleive I didnt get one sooner!!

 
 
Posted by Reetesh Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 695 days ago

How to install an App when i do not have Blackberry Internet Services on my Blackberry and cannot download .jad files or OTA from Blackberry.
I can only install thru Desktop Manager.
This is the problem i am facing.
Can i Install .jad file or Download links (received after purchase of an App ) from Desktop to Blackberry , Please guide me for installation thru PC.

 
 
Posted by noon21 Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 574 days ago

I would also like to know how the rate plan on your device is affected. I mean if you have a certain plan in which you pay for the internet and texting and voice on BIS then change to BES how is the plan affected? Do you end up paying the same or does the company end up paying for what you use? If the company starts to pay, what happens to your contract with the carrier?

 
 
Posted by zanobia12 Saturday, Oct 16, 2010 483 days ago

Excellent Information William. Thanks for the 411.

 
 
Posted by steve0360 Wednesday, Nov 10, 2010 459 days ago

How would one know if his/her blackberry is BIS or BES?

 
 
Posted by L395 Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 127 days ago

I hope some notice this post since the last post was written 11 months ago. I'm concerned about the article on the CIO website about the security of smartphones(10/8/11). It describes a new vunerability of malware running unnoticed in the BBProxy app mostly concerning BES. Although this subject has appeared before as early as 2008, I'm wondering if there are any new facts and perspectives on this. I'm a BIS but would be reluctant to add a BES App to my phone.

 
 
Posted by kleenne Thursday, Nov 17, 2011 87 days ago

Hi All,
Is BES service available in India also, currently my company employees have BIS plans, my service provider is Bharti Airtel, I contacted them and also Blackberry helpline number but they are not aware of such service, so whom do I contact.........
Also few employees are on prepaid plans , can those phones also be added in BES ,

Please help, I am in desperate need of this information, Thanks