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Posted by bighap Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

I am pretty sure Verizon said they would require you to get the $45 BES plan in order to use BESx.

 
 
Posted by Isaac Kendall Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

According to RIM and their documents, you can connect a BB to the BESx with "any internet enabled Blackberry data plan".

The only thing is if you have a BIS data plan you can't wirelessly provision your handheld. You MUST cable activate it.

Other than that as long as you have BIS access Verizon can't really stop you from using BESx.

 
 
Posted by vedelorme Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

don't be so sure.... verizon will find a way to charge... guaranteed!!!

 
 
Posted by sbxpappi Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

i always read "you have to activate the handheld by cable"... i activated 3 of my blackberry handhelds with the normal enterprise activation wireless on a BESx

 
 
Posted by Gonzo1982 Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

I have the BIS Verizon plan and it works with BES. I previously had the BES plan because I had BPS installed at work. Recently upgraded to BESX and downgraded my data plan to BIS and didn't notice one bit of disruption in service. I changed my plan online. I'm not quite sure how Verizon could block you or charge you for something that a product allows you to do? For all they know you just have a google gmail account.

 
 
Posted by vedelorme Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Verizon will charge you for the BES plan!!! They are out of control. I mentioned to the csr reps at vzw and promised them at any chance possible that I would encourage any and all to leave their money mongering company and choose anyone else. I have been with the vzw company for many years since the beginning. I was first sold on them for their customer service. They have just proved over and over again in the past year or so... that they do not give a damn about their customers. Therefore I am leaving and encourage all to do so as well.

 
 
Posted by kgr Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Do you know where I can get a full list of IT policies? I am considering moving some or all of my new users to BESx from BES, and I want to make sure all the policies we have in place now are available on BESx. I have done a bit of poking around on the BB website, but cant seem to find anything other than what you say about 35 vs 450.

Thanks
Ken

 
 
Posted by Briard Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

here is the link http://tinyurl.com/y5a429g

 
 
Posted by kgr Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Nice, thanks :)

 
 
Posted by hurricane87 Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

So What kind of user would still need a BES since "only the CIA" need those extra IT policies

 
 
Posted by Briard Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Well you should read the article http://tinyurl.com/ybcocx9

BESx support only Exchange, so if you have Domino or Novell Groupwise, you need BES.
Also, BESx does not support Enterprise Instant Messaging.
and as Isaac mention, High Availability is not available on BESx

 
 
Posted by kgr Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Ummm... CIA, I guess... :D

 
 
Posted by Gibbyoh Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

Hospitals, Law firms, accountants, Federal Contractors(EDS, UNISYS, Lockheed), anyone how carries sensitive data.

 
 
Posted by race2c Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

I have a couple questions.

My current setup is a VZW 9630 on BIS with 2 emails already in use on the device. One email is an aol account and the other is my college account. Could I download and use BESx to gain access to contacts/address book/etc for the college account? The college mail system is Microsoft Outlook.

 
 
Posted by Isaac Kendall Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Sadly that won't be possible. Any flavor of BES requires a corporate mail server (Exchange, Group Wise or Lotus Notes).

There are options out there for wireless PIM sync ie Google Sync. They are by no means as good as BES but they do work.

 
 
Posted by race2c Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Well that sucks. It would be nice to have easy access to the contact list, especially for a college community. Thankfully, those I contact on a regular basis are contacts in the 9630.

 
 
Posted by nutter426 Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

If it doesn't cost anything (except disk space and bandwidth, and maybe some admin time) it might be worth asking the college if they would run a BESx service, specially if you can find a number of berry addicts who want the service. Staff who want it would be even better!

 
 
Posted by narci Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

I'm still rocking the 2GB card. Looking for a bigger card because i thought I'd never actually use anything more but I do.

 
 
Posted by Jay_eS_Iye Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

wrong blog post, the only thing you can get for free here is BESx

 
 
Posted by Ramsy Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

This article states, "you could not install it on the same server as the Exchange box." While I am no BES admin guru, I have my full BES running on the same server that my Exchange server runs on. In fact my SQL server also runs on the same server. When doing the installation, I seem to recall RIM not recommending this configuration, but the software installer did not prevent me from installing everything on the same server.

 
 
Posted by krkeegan Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

If you continue to read the article it clearly says:

"It's not that it won't work, it's not supported. So if you need to contact RIM tech support you may be asked to put your solution in a supported configuration."

No one disputes your point.

 
 
Posted by Ramsy Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Your quote relates to Small Business Server, not Exchange Server.

My only point in posting was to make people aware that BES and Exchange will run on the same server despite the author's unequivocal statement that "you could not install [BES] on the same server as the Exchange box."

 
 
Posted by MayorHaji Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

While it may run just fine, RIM won't support that configuration. And because RIM won't support that configuration, you shouldn't install them on the same box. Get it?

 
 
Posted by Ramsy Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

According to RIM's Quick Start Guide for Blackberry Enterprise Server and Microsoft Exchange, "You can install the BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express or the BlackBerry Enterprise Server - Small Business Edition on the same computer as your messaging server if you plan to implement 15 or fewer BlackBerry devices in your organization. If you plan to upgrade your installation to a full BlackBerry Enterprise Server, and support more than 15 BlackBerry devices, install the BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express or BlackBerry Enterprise Server - Small Business Edition on a computer separate from the messaging server computer."

You can obtain the Quick Start Guide here: http://www.blackberry.com/knowledgecenterpublic/livelink.exe/fetch/2000/8067/645045/7963/1264589/1264411/Quick_Start_Guide.pdf?nodeid=1271487&vernum=0

What RIM does not support is installing Microsoft Outlook® on the same server as the BlackBerry Enterprise Server.

You can read that tech bulletin here: http://www.blackberry.com/btsc/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=KB10493&sliceId=SAL_Public&dialogID=29728379&stateId=0%200%2013979999

Got it?

 
 
Posted by jimmycinla Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Has anyone tried to run a non-blackberry handset with the Blackberry Application Suite, on a BESx ?

 
 
Posted by attarnabi Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

What is life but memories !

 
 
Posted by webmeister Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

I'm running BESx on top of a 32-bit version of MS Exchange 2007 on a VMware virtual machine. The 32-bit version of MS Exchange is trialware and continues working after the evaluation period has expired (180 days). It is free for use in a test, non-production environment. It's sitting inside the DMZ of my little corner of the Internet and I have my BlackBerry Bold 9700 activated on it.

I absolutely love the ability to synchronize all my PIM data (calendar, email, tasks and memos) wirelessly Over-the-Air (OTA) in realtime which is a bonus in my busy family. For example, it means that my wife can put a family event in the calendar in MS Outlook at home, and it appears instantaneously or thereabouts on my BB. Vice versa, too. Also, the WiFi-enabled 9700 will connect over the home LAN to the BESx server, meaning that I'm not using my data plan bytes. When I'm at work, same thing....I can use WiFi and the built-in Cisco VPN client to connect to my BESx server over the Internet for added security. Don't forget that you can also download and install the S/MIME support package from RIM to activate your phone with the ability to send signed and encrypted PIN and email messages while leveraging on certificates as part of a PKI (Public Key Infrastructure).

What an incredibly secure solution! No need for a BES plan either. I can see why enterprises use BlackBerrys but it's not too big a stretch to see how it might be useful on the home front, too.

/ES

see also http://www.breezy.ca/?q=node/331

 
 
Posted by imablackberry.com Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

and with BESx, can you access your LAN (and servers on it) via wifi on your BB just as you could with BES?

I have some web services that I currently use with my 8900 via BES on the LAN, WAN and VPN that I would need to maintain.

thanks

 
 
Posted by webmeister Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

I don't know because I've never tried it before. I googled and found a simple "how to" for BES 5.0 (http://blog.brightpointuk.co.uk/accessing-remote-file-shares-bes-5) and I'm going to try it myself!

/ES

 
 
Posted by webmeister Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

There's a post on this very subject here on Crackberry:
http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?t=431666

Short story: The feature isn't supported on BESx 5.0 *yet*.

/ES

 
 
Posted by sterod Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Does anyone know if with BESX messages are delivered to and from a BIS Plan BlackBerry as fast as they would be on a BES Plan BlackBerry (within seconds). I have my BIS BlackBerry hooked up to Exchange via OWA and it takes a good 4-5 minutes for messages to send or receive.

Thanks!

 
 
Posted by webmeister Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Yes. Instantly. I'm using BESx on a BIS plan with Bell Mobility. The red message light flashes on my BB simultaneously with the message's arrival in my Exchange inbox. Impressive. Got to like that push email!

 
 
Posted by sterod Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 767 days ago

Thanks! That was the missing piece of info I needed, I'm going to load it up ASAP!

 
 
Posted by mgrupp Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 767 days ago

Hello,

it isn´t right that

Support for Blackberry Add-on products - on BESx you can't have add-on tools like BoxTone or Zenprise. More details to come after WES2010 on BES add-on tools.

here is the link of the 16. February

Boxtone Certified for BES Express

http://www.boxtone.com/News/Press/PressReleases/02_16_2010_BESExpress.as...

Thx

Marcus

 
 
Posted by kanga202 Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 767 days ago

Ok but where is the link for the download... is this out yet? the link on the Blackberry site is not clear if this is the new one or the old one?

 
 
Posted by mobix Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 767 days ago

* If you install BESx on the same box as Exchange you're limited to 75 users

Just a clarification that if I install BESx on some other box [than Exchange], then I can connect unlimited users ??

 
 
Posted by joorrdaan Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

So if I understand this correctly, all these 3rd party BES providers (like exchangemymail.com) that charge $30/mo. just became obselete? Does besx sync calendar & contacts ONLY or does it also sync tasks and memos?

I'm w/ vzw and pay for the $45/mo. data plan for my bb tour. How do I go about getting setup on besx?

 
 
Posted by ciscobear Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

Does tasks and memos as well.

 
 
Posted by mrbigxray316 Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

i could definitly use another one of these cards. i have dozens of movies and hundreds of songs that i would love to be able to have with me on that card when i leave my house. please give me 1..thanks soo much!!

 
 
Posted by beggari Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

is it possible to upgrade from BPS 4.1 on exchange 2003 to BESX?

 
 
Posted by imablackberry.com Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

current setup ... virtual SBS2008 Premium and virtual BES on a 2k3 member server. I currently use a BES data plan (with BES CAL), but my wife uses BIS.

If I turn off the BES server and install BESx is anything special required to make BESx work? Note: I would probably install BESx on different member server rather than SBS itself - firm believe in that you want to keep (any version of SBS) as pure as possible!

Could I use the existing BES CAL? for BESx?

Could BES and BESx work together?

I'm looking to get the best of both worlds with the least amount of aggrevation possible.

Thanks.

 
 
Posted by gm85 Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

When we had a Blackberry Professional Server, we had it installed on a VM, independant of our Exchange Server.

When I installed BESX, I created a new VM and all it contained was the copy of BESX (Plus the Exchange Management Tools so BESX could communicate with the Exchange Server). The setup was pretty much identical to our BPS server.

For a day or so, we actually had both machines - BESX and BPS communicating with our Exchange server. As long as they're on separate machines, both can run indepenadtly.

With BESX, there are no CALs, so you don't need to worry about re-allocating the ones you use on your BES server.

 
 
Posted by gm85 Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

I just finished installing ours.

We're a small company that was somewhat stuck in the middle.... Too small for BES (which made it cost-probihibitve), but Too large for BIS (We're a software company and needed full access to our servers).

What made it worse is the BES plans with Rogers are restrictive.... you can't combine the plan (if you're using a SmartTeam sharing plan), nor can you pool it with an internet plan, like you can with the BIS plans.

We previously were using BPS and while I ran decently, I hated the fact we had to pay $100 for each additional user, PLUS put them on a BES data plan.... which is a $45 cost.

I just completed re-activing our users on the BESX and it's running perfectly. I just converted my plan to a 500MB BIS ($20 cheaper than the 1GB BES) and now I don't feel like my blackberry is wasting money.

It's great that we can now easily add my co-workers to the server, without needing to provide them with expensive data plans.

 
 
Posted by Jimberry Storm Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

Once BESX installed how do I pull up documents on my server from my BB?

 
 
Posted by gm85 Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 766 days ago

Under the Applications folder, you should have a new icon named "Files". If you click that, you can type in the UNC Network Path of the folder you want to access.

 
 
Posted by Jimberry Storm Tuesday, May 11, 2010 740 days ago

My IT guy can not seem to get this working, he has BESx on virtual server so its not on with the exchange server but all the info he gives me for go to and domain name, never goes through. Is there some thing he has to do with policies first maybe default settings wont allow it?

 
 
Posted by Jimberry Storm Friday, Apr 16, 2010 765 days ago

I thought that might be it thank you!

 
 
Posted by ObliteRon Saturday, Apr 17, 2010 764 days ago

A couple noteworthy items are left out that I think are worth stating up front.

AFAIK, BESx does not proxy any intranet/Internet access. This means that all web surfing goes out the BIS route, and not through your company's proxy/content filters. Also, no access to intranet resources.

Second, in a related manner BESx does not integrate with enterprise instant messaging like Microsoft LCS/OCS.

Third, it is not supported to have a BES and BESx in the same domain. So, it isn't an option to offer both in the same organization.

 
 
Posted by gm85 Sunday, Apr 18, 2010 764 days ago

Actually, just like BES, BESX has full MDS connection services, even when using a BIS connection. BB apps can access your company's network, and if you use the Blackberry browser, the data is passed through the BESX server and your company's internet connection.

The second point is true. Just like BPS, there are no enterprise communications tools bundled with BESx. That's one thing that's left to the full BES server installation.

However, you can have both a BES and BESX server running on the same network. While they can't run on the same server, they both can operate on the same network and communicate to the same exchange server. We had both running as we migrated people to the BESX.

 
 
Posted by Ganthia Monday, Nov 08, 2010 559 days ago

Is BESX Compatible with Lotus Domino 64bit?? Please help..