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Posted by speeno green Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

pretty sweet.

 
 
Posted by infinus Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago


what is the idea behind refreshing memory to 512 mb and no other changes,
Why do I buy a refresh with only 2 difference (memory and OS).
LOL,
RIM sucks.

 
 
Posted by devon2000 Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago

maybe u need to do more research before posting your negativity, it actually has more

-GSM (SIM Card) Network phone with full support for both 2G and 3G ranges

-512 RAM

-Mp3 music and DivX supported media player

-5.0 mega pixel camera

-Built in 2 GB memory

 
 
Posted by Smiley2169 Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

If there's a 9780 coming out, with the new OS6 that means the 9700 wont support it...

 
 
Posted by Gallia Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Then why was the webkit browser, an INTEGRATED OS6 option demo'ed on a 9700? The previously mentioned full OS6 + crap app memory left is the most likely event now, which makes the 9680 a perfectly sensible device.

 
 
Posted by kcmoberry Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

when it was shown back then .. it was actually on the yet unannouced refresh 9700?? i mean is it really that far a leap in logic to come up with that probability?

 
 
Posted by Gallia Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago

I don't want to be rude, but I'm not going to do your homework. Youtube webkit browser demo, it's being demo'ed on a 9700.

And no, CX confirmed it was a 9700, with 256 mb. Along with that several insiders (CX, berryleaks) have both confirmed that the 9700 can run OS6, yes OS6, not OS5.5 (???) as some would claim. The 9780/Odin refresh doesn't disprove anything, it's simply product differentiation. It's strictly a CB thing that everyone is screaming "oh god oh god 512 is the min".

 
 
Posted by kcmoberry Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago

this is the official release from RIM's devblog..

http://devblog.blackberry.com/2010/02/blackberry-webkit-browser-preview-...

no where do they state which device it is running on. nor does any youtube link. the devices look exactly the same thus far.

also.. berryleaks surely had no idea there was a refresh coming or they would have broken the news then.. seems logical looking at the device most would simply see the 9700 and never even question it. i'm not questioning cx (nor have I seen his comment.. just going on your assertion) as he is a great source of info.. but he is capable of being wrong or misinformed. i welcome his info but i dont expect 100% accuracy.. that'd be unfair.

really though.. i'm merely suggesting the possibility that the device shown in the video was the refresh.. as visually no one would know otherwise. it IS possible just as it's possible it was merely a 9700.

and my whole point in commenting to your post was to suggest seeing the webkit demo on what was thought to be a 9700 at the time could now be viewed differently when accounting for the new information we have on hand. (9650 production process stopped/changed mid stream to support 512mb and now two high end 256mb devices being refreshed to 512mb, one of those being the previously mentioned 9700 with no visual differences in the face of the device noted thus far). all evidence on hand points to 512mb being required.

i'd certainly welcome cx coming forward with an update to confirm that yes the 9700 is still gonna run os6.. and that was in fact the 9700 back then and not a refresh production device.

nothing is certain yet.

 
 
Posted by kcmoberry Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago

it cuts off the link :(

add the following after "preview"
-at-mobile-world-congress

 
 
Posted by infinus Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago

May be webkit browser will be ported to OS5.x and it will be available to 9700 and most of devices through firmware upgrade.
Let’s hope this is true.

 
 
Posted by jorGeorge Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

The more and more I see OS 6, the more and more it looks just like OS 5...

 
 
Posted by slashd0t Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Blackberry won't go away from its core design.. If RIM was to do this they would piss off million of blackberry users worldwide as they would have a huge learning curve to relearn a brand new OS. What features/things do you see missing? What would you like them with the OS to be more appealing?

 
 
Posted by titusilvering Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Can someone tell me? Did you see that? The car steering wheel i mean. wahaha. what car is that?

256MB phones definitely can run OS6!!! But it will be something like the S1? running OS5 with little space left.

Well, at least we get OS6 as a choice. Want or not is up to you.

RIM need to come up with refresh phone because they need to ensure consumer get new phones with sufficient for application growth. I don't think anyone will buy a phone with less than 50MB left for apps. Thats why all the bb is coming to EOL. WAHAHAHAHA.

 
 
Posted by Lyrical_Drew Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

That 256MB BB's will get OS6 maybe more like 0S 5.5 or something of the sort. As you can see they are refreshing the Storm2 and 9700, but I don't think everybody with devices prior to 512MB will be shafted.

 
 
Posted by mykey2k Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Answering the first question (if you were serious or not :) )

It looks like the steering wheel of my Chrysler 300M (models 1999-2004?) I know that particular model was made in Brampton, Ontario (and probably the Dodge Intrepid, Chrysler Concorde, and a couple other models).

And no, I am definitely not the one who took the picture.

 
 
Posted by Shad0w26 Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

So now people have to buy the new Bold if they want OS6?
I'm not even 1 year in my 2-year contract for an upgrade because of the Bold 9700 -_-'

 
 
Posted by titusilvering Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

No, you don't need to buy new phone to get OS6. Either RIM will release the OS to you or it will leak to you.

For sure, you will get a chance to taste OS6. I hope you haven't bought a lot apps since you will be running out of RAM.

 
 
Posted by jorGeorge Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Most, if not all, people upgrade to new devices because of hardware upgrades, not software. This is why it's important for RIM to push out OS 6 upgrades to relatively new devices.

 
 
Posted by Illuminated_A Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago

why on earth would you sign in for a 2-year contract anyway? 18 months is too long for me, I won't be doing that. If this device does come out relatively soon i'll be selling up my 9700 along with my 9000 (which i no longer use) and pay the difference to get the 9780 sim free

 
 
Posted by hakeem23 Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Cant wait for this device! I want to upgrade from my bold 9000 :)

 
 
Posted by doubleblack Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

This is a little unfortunate news, but it's still not 250MB+ and therefore there is a possibility we will get OS6! Although, that won't leave much space leftover for apps and stuff...

 
 
Posted by Cap_172R Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Can't wait to pick this up! Will definitely be my next device. They could've come out with a refresh Bold 9000 as well, would have be awesome.

 
 
Posted by infinus Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago

If they are refreshing bold 9000, I am ditching ip4 and will buy it.
I love the 9000 form factor and the looks.

 
 
Posted by mmcerlaine Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

So from concrete evidence, we have proof that OS6(and whatever few apps he may have installed) takes up 206MB of memory.. That leaves us 9700 owners with 50MB free.. Which is more than I use anyway... Don't forget that new os, if it's as good as it looks, will eliminate the need for nonsense apps like extra browsers, 3rd-party media players, and memory and ram boosters

This should be nothing short of awesome

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

That the new OS should or will eliminate the need for certain apps.
Hopefully, it's the apps I'm already using! :)

 
 
Posted by alevin Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

or they could just allow us to move any app we wanted to a memory card, thereby providing EVEN MORE memory space.

 
 
Posted by gregerator Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

So it looks like TMO will pick this up. I really was hoping for the Torch.

 
 
Posted by josher Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

I think Rim needs to hire new designers. I am tired of the same form factor with very slight changes.

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

On one hand, I think the form factor is fine and adding to many variations will just add to RIM's bottom line and our costs.

However, I am eagerly awaiting the 9800 Slider, I think the Clam (whatever number that is) will have a strong if niche following and of course there is the Storm, which can still use some refinement (read: improvements). Plus, the Pearl 3G fill yet another void.

What I hope is, and I have no way of knowing, that OS 6 is just a transition OS to hold us over for something bigger and better that RIM has in store for us. I hope they're anticipating where the market is going (I consider it highly volatile from what I read) and bring us form factors, an OS or functionality that we are not yet even thinking about.

Otherwise, it looks like we're (uh, they're) playing catch up with Google and Apple (even though RIM excels in several areas that lack coverage in the pop press (aka mainstream press).

 
 
Posted by slashd0t Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Why fix what isn't broken? Most people love the blackberry form factor.. Especially business users who leverage their berry's to bang out hundreds of emails a day.. Hopefully with devices like the 9800/Storm 3 we will see some new handsets that will target the consumer market, but, leave my 9700 form factor alone! :)

 
 
Posted by joeldf Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

The iPhone hasn't changed much in 4 incarnations - in fact, the first 3 were exactly the same.

All the Android phones look alike to me no matter who makes them.

At least the BBs look distinctive. You know it when you see it. Why is that so wrong?

 
 
Posted by millyblick Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

so with this new OS 6.0 and the re-make of Bold 9700 a.k.a. Bold 9780.. what future is their for the bold 9700?? i'm thinking selling your phone and getting this huh??

 
 
Posted by Pi Guy 3.14 Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

that is one ugly looking homescreen.. those gray bars are hideous.

 
 
Posted by crackberryhead Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

RIM & BlackBerry Rule!! Crapple doesn't!!!

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

But, I am eager to see what Android brings in the coming years. I really would like to see an Evo-quality slider with a physical QWERTY...but for the foreseeable future, it's RIM all the way.

 
 
Posted by IntuitivePhonesLover Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

there you go.

My wife chose the droid1 because she had to have the keyboard. She hasn't used the keyboard since 3 weeks of buying the phone (9 months ago), because once she got used to the software keyboard it was better.

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

I'm worried that I won't adjust or love the virtual keyboard of the Storm or any other TS only phone.

Hopefully, the 9800 will allow me to either transition nicely to TS only or confirm what I think I know: Must have physical QWERTY.

But, having "just" got my 9700 about 6 months ago, unless AT&T offers a special rebate, I'll have to wait a bit for my 9800...maybe let everybody else shake out the bugs. :)

 
 
Posted by LeanNSupreme Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Everytime I see new news about the 9780 and 9800 I get the feeling my 9700 is getting more and more obsolete :(

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

But, that's the nature of electronics. Embrace it, in a matter of a few months you can brag, "I'm kickin' it ol' school with my Bold 9700. You kids don't even remember when the best OS was 5.0, do you!?"

:)

 
 
Posted by vgs487 Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Not so happy with the fact that there is a refreshed version of our 9700. I just hope that we'd get at least the new webkit browser. I'll be happier when that happens. I hope crackberry gets some news about that. Hehe

 
 
Posted by Pi Guy 3.14 Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Do you know what the word 'obsolete' means? Your phone will NOT be obsolete just because a newer phone comes out **rolleyes**

 
 
Posted by infinus Wednesday, Jul 28, 2010 564 days ago

9780 will be obsolete too,
Good thing is you got the best bb of it’s time.

 
 
Posted by redwanhuq Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Is it me or does OS 6 look like it's designed for a touchscreen and not a QWERTY device? It has the opposite of a minimalistic look when it's all crammed in a 2.4" screen.

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

It's not you. Well, it's not JUST you.

 
 
Posted by -Kevlar- Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

gotta love this [ ] much space for wallpaper...

 
 
Posted by jonp Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

maybe you can remove the text under the icons and shift the icons lower to gain wallpaper space...

 
 
Posted by AgentScribe Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

I upgraded 6 months ago from a Curve 8330 to the Bold 9700 and for obvious reason it's a far superior phone.

I was new to BB when I got my 8330, an appropriate entry-level smart phone. At some point, I upgraded the OS to the highest that was available to me and my phone slowed to a crawl, practically requiring a batter pull every other hour or if I accidentally had too many apps running simultaneously.

So, with that experience behind me, I committed to not upgrading my OS with anything leaked or major upgrades. Minor upgrades are OK, but they do make me nervous.

That said, I don't see any reason with our limited memory capacity why anybody would want to upgrade to OS 6 without also upgrading their hardware and firmware to accommodate a larger OS.

Also, I don't like how people decry a company for releasing new versions of a phone they just bought. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Either buy what you need/want when it is available at a price you're happy/comfortable with or wait for ever for the latest/greatest, because that ante is always to be upped.

You can't expect a manufacturer to release something that is their best to date and then sit back on their laurels and wait a full year or two for the next big update? That's crazy talk.

We need and want them to innovate daily, bringing to market whatever significant updates that make it worth our while to upgrade and/or buy a new device.

And, don't forget that just because OS 6 comes out that all of a sudden OS 5.0.0.xxx is all of a sudden obsolete, useless and a waste of whatever money you spent on it.

It is because of the newer phones that once expense "top of the line" models become affordable and "entry level."

The Curve 8330 was an awesome smart phone for somebody coming from a standard candy bar, non-touch screen, non-feature phone.

Sooner than I'd like, the 9700 will be that same phone. But, I'm OK with that, because by then I'll be rocking some futuristic hardware that we can't even conceive and it will have OS 7.

;)

 
 
Posted by garment69 Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Expecting your top of the line phone to NOT be obsolete within 6 months is soooooooo unreasonable. "eyes rolling"

 
 
Posted by JohnnyBiz Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Main Entry: ob·so·lete

1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful

 
 
Posted by garment69 Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 565 days ago

Obsolete

of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date: